.45 Super VS .44 Magnum - Buffalo Bore XTP's 

Very useful video. Great information. Thank you.

That 230 grain XTP load for the .45 Super is a much more balanced load than the 185 grain load tested recently. It would make one hell of a Bambi whacker.

Buffalo Bore is a cartridge that you can depend on when you need it! Another good video, Sam. I don't understand why you don't have over ONE Million Subscribers? Your vids are always very informative. Keep it up

Good video. Looks like the .45 Super would be a good round to carry without over doing it. Thanks for sharing and take care.

Interesting test! I think I’d take the .44 for dangerous 4 legged critters, the .45 Super for dangerous 2 legged critters.

the 44 mag did good and the 45 super did awesome . pretty much like my water tests. ,but 44 180 gr xtp and 452 185 gr xtp are my most accurate bullets. I enjoyed the video . Nanna and papa wishing you well.

Check out these rounds: 45 AUTO - 175 GR - (MHP) - NORMA SELF-DEFENSE. Thanks Sam for your experiments! Maybe get a gunsmith to look at your pistol. Take care.

Great expansion with the .45 Super.

Good performanse for 44 and 45.👍✌️

Glove got stuck in the trigger. Great example for advocating testing all new equipment prior to relying on it.

Love running 45Super in my Bul Armory 1911 Classic Government model. Put in the upgraded parts (less than $100) and it shoots everything just fine.

We load the 230 XTP in 45 Super in a 11 inch barrel carbine. Pushing that bullet to 1550 fps in water jugs is Vi-O-Lent! Great test as always.

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO. The XTP is an awesome bullet.

45 super is what 45 acp should be..... amazing round, heavy and fast...

I've been loading and shooting 45 Super since Dean A. Grennell started posting it. 250gr Gold Dots expand to about .80-90 cal at 1050 FPS The 230 gr Gold dots over expand and start to peel back to the shank at about .70 cal at 1100 FPS. On the Glock 21 I use a 24# spring, after market better supported barrel and a stainless steel guide rod, S&W 4506 with a 22# spring. Starline makes the brass. H&K MK23 shoots them as is without any mods needed. It's the caliber the gun was designed for.

45 Super is the 45 Colt in a 'medium power' guise, but stuffed in a semi-auto platform.

Thanks, Gun Sam looks like i need to do research on a 45super quality barrel for my 1911a1. And not make any mistakes. Thanks again.

People rarely take this into account when debating 9mm vs 45acp. 9mm might have a slight edge in self defense, but the 45 can cover a lot more bases if your gun can handle the Super or the 450SMC.

Just down here looking for the guy that carries an 8" 500S&W appendix, 6" 357 in a shoulder holster and an HK MK23 on each angle.... Awesome video btw

Thanks, appreciate the video on these two rounds. 👍👍

Thanks Sam! Nice stuff you show. Like how you try to stay fair in your comparisions. I`m old school and love revolvers!

The .44 is obviously more powerful, but I think the .45 Super is what the .45 ACP really needs. It actually has the power to get full expansion on a big, heavy bullet like that. Great video, can't wait to see more comparisons 👍

Man that Super round turned out about perfect! I think that lower penetration and above average (for an XTP) expansion is likely due to it being designed for 45acp velocities. 850 is a long way from 1200+. The 44 was designed for a 44 magnum so it performed like an XTP is supposed to. I think they are both very impressive. I don't know what to say about your Glock. I have 7 I think currently and have had several more over the last 25 years. They have all been just about boring perfect. I noticed you have an aftermarket barrel in it for this video and I am immediately suspicious of it. Is it the same manufacturer as your 10mm conversion barrel? I think its a Wolfe? I would steer far clear of that company if it is. Modifying a Glock is kind of like second guessing Toyota. I am very cautious of mods to Glocks. Those are almost always the guys who have reliability issues. Thanks for the vid Sam! Love your channel Sir! . EDIT: I just started watching your last video. I haven't been able to watch on my home PC because of extended commuting related issues over the last few days. I see it is a KKM match barrel, and I like the way it looks in that other video. That tight chamber is a compromise toward accuracy over reliability every time. I like them for what they are worth. The ramp on it looks 100% better than that 10mm barrel too. The tight chamber is just one of those things though. It is extra insurance against case failures on the 45 super, but harder to feed reliably. The original 45 super designed by Ace Customs of Texas used modified 308 cases cut down to acp length. They are much thicker. I believe the new production Super spec cases are very thick too. They should be ok in the stock barrel but I understand if you don't trust the unsupported chamber. Love the vid's buddy! Keep them coming!

.45 Super is awesome! I have a threaded barrel and heavier spring for my G21.4 I’ll keep my 10mm and .44Mag for now though. Thanks for the video.

Good stuff. Interesting comp & results.

👍😊 they are my calibers .

Glock Perfection.

Good testing and comparison Sam. Looks like good options eothercway, nut that. 45 Super looks very promising for sure.🎩♠️☯️🏁

Imagine a bear charging at you & your gloves make your gun jam.

Ty

Pistol round, double expansion w/great pentation ! I am impressed! 👍👍 I wonder if it would work in a shorter barrel? Great video, Sam!

One problem I have had with 10mm glocks and using hot loads is the slide would come back and hit the frame and disrupt the cycle so just something to check out. The fix I found was going to a heavier 22lb recoil spring vs going lighter. Just a thought that might help with the 45 super

Yep, .45 Super for defense, but that BB .44 magnum load is definitely full-strength and would make a great deer load. I ran into some awful extraction in a .357 magnum revolver, even with mid-range loads, and noticed that the chambers were horribly fouled from someone shooting the shorter.38 Special rounds.

Nice job . Appreciate the effort!

Let’s see a 45 super hard cast vs 10mm hard cast. I carry both and would love to see them in gel

I would love to see a test where you have the gel vertical, a space of maybe 6 inches and then another gel. Just to see how many 'bodies' one round would go through.

Almost bought a Glock 41. Bought 30 instead. No issues

Can you compare a .45 +p XTP vs a .45 Super XTP? The super looks like a good long range hunting/magnum silhouette caliber but I'm not sure if a conversion is worth it. I've taken hogs and deer out to 100yds with a G21 but the bullet drop is pretty bad unless I use some hot XTP like what wilson combat loads so I usually stock with 10mm.

If you shoot to the left make sure that you are turning your left elbow up a little bit this will keep you from pushing usually this is something we do with Glocks but I'm sure it could help with the revolver too

You're really killing Glock reliability for me! Just a thought on your revolver... You may be able to polish the chambers with some Flitz without damaging them. Unless they are really rough, Flitz should smooth them up. You really have my wondering about the 19H Buffalo-Barnes low-recoil load now. I've got another test I want to do first, but I'm going to have to see if the 19H is doable for me in the M&P340. I'll also test it out of the 66-8.

This may not be applicable but, every Glock upgrade I’ve seen to super or Roland include a Mag spring with the other 2 springs.

Dang. 45 super for the win w XTPs I believe that is the Tissue Crush Winner of all handgun rounds while still penetrating enough! Also DayAtTheRange did hot handloaded 185 xtp did great too! Now can an unmodded usp45 cycle these reliably??? Wish I would have got one when LE trade ins were cheap be4 they dried up

You have got me curious on the 45 Super. I’ve never shot one. Do you have a video comparing it to the 10mm? You mentioned you think 10mm is overrated, but didn’t say why. I’d like to know your thoughts on that.

I have 4 pistols from the Glock line and expect more problems with 45 ACP, rather than the higher pressure 45 super rounds. I would look into the magazine springs.

Time to get rid of that Glock jamomatic, and replace it with a 1911

The .45 Super needs rounds designed for it. Just as the .357 Sig needed rounds designed for it. Or expansion is extreme and penetration is subpar. In some cases the rounds may come apart.

Probably need a stronger mag spring to prevent the 45 super from jamming as much. My 45 super went smooth through my upgraded glock 21

Another solid offering. Would you consider a side by side comparison of the Barretta 21A (.22) Bobcat and the Beretta 3032 Tomcat (.32) with threaded barrels? I am considering punching one (with a threaded barrel). Had a Tomcat years ago.

Sam, did you ever figure out what the necessary combo for the 45 super was to make it reliable?

I honestly didn't expect to see a review during this ammopocalypses of .45S or .44mag... Excellent content. Are the bores on your S&W revolver cylinder coated in carbon?

I love it when you do 45 videos and I have been contemplating setting up one of my 45's for the super. This test was really good and the expansion with the cop's was impressive. To help with extraction if it bothers you try polishing the chamber. As for as the glock perfection. I'd send it back and let them refurbish it. I expect your feeding issues are mag related. Thanks for all the work you put in these videos. And again you make learning fun. The gun issues ate what I would try. So I don't blame you if you don't want to do anything to them

I'm wondering if hornady expected the xtp in the .44 to be shot from a lever action carbine. Would be interesting to see the expansion with an extra 3 or 400 fps behind it. 357 and 44 seem to gain a ton of fps from barrel length, much more so than auto pistol calibers do in carbines/sub guns. I'm guessing it's from really slow powders like h110 or 2400 commonly used in magnum revolvers. I know from my experience that the same load, 158gr xtp on a near full charge of h110, does around 1250 from my 6 inch revolver and 1750 from my 18.5 inch marlin.

Love it. 😎

Maybe by changing to a heavier magazine spring can solve that feeding and mag drop issue on your glock.

Both rounds would do great for deer hunting with a handgun

I think I'd take the 45 Super for self defense against people in this instance. Larger expansion, no overpenetration like the 44 Magnum.

Sam, the first shot in the gel with the .44 made an horrific channel, with a bubble twice the size of the ball. Is it as large as it looks like on screen?

Depending on the use I see both calibers as a Outdoors carry the 45super with bigger wider bullet being .45cal vs .44cal bigger would channel on game if you find a gun that will run it well. But a 44mag run ruger loads is no joke on pentrashion why 44mag so loved in big bear country or for wild boar

Did the chambers on your revolver not get properly finished at the factory? Maybe your glock needs a complete new set of springs, or it just wasn't right from the get go.

I have a 230gr 45ACP load that doesn't exceed +P, actually stays in standard pressure 45ACP, that tosses a 230gr at 1200fps from a 5 inch barrel.

It might be the KKM barrel causing the reliability issues

Go with an old school Canadian Para Ordnance for your .45 Super.

With the 45 Super it looks like your slide was too fast for the mag spring. In some guns, 45 Super requires a heavier recoil and heavier mag springs to lift the rounds fast enough for the slide to pick them up. The slide actually bounces off the frame.

Not sure about the xtp,I did buy a few hundred in 40 cal 155gr Underwood at a good price.That super round is no joke.I won't carry any Glock for a edc,I own a few Glocks and in at least half of the hundreds of body cam video I have seen they fail to feed ,mostly the cop will limpwrist shooting with one hand and blabbing on the radio with the other.

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Try silicone spray , it worked for me in AK .

Where's a good source to purchase a 45 Super conversion kit? Also reloading dies and supplies for the 45 Super?

Being mostly a revolver guy, is this what they mean by Glock Perfection?

I thought you supposed to put heavier than factory spring for 45 super?

Next video 44 mag v Glock handgun.

230 XTP is made for 45 ACP velocity not 45 Super velocity The 250 XTP much is better for 45 Super at 1075 fps.

How can somebody know if their .45 ACP pistol can use 45 Super ammo? Your Glock wasn't liking it.

"Low Recoil" is false advertising. The Super did great!

the take away is that mdf should not be used as body armor.

You need to try out the 40 super not only is it the 10 mm Big brother but puts down more energy did the 44 magnum and 45 super,,,,😮😮😮😮😮

Wonder what the “leaners” will say about the camera angle.

Try underwood ammo or double tap

What’s the process of making a G21 Super. Is it just a barrel swap with better chamber support, stronger striker spring, and 22lb guide rod?

If its safe to do so I'd like to see what velocity the 45 super gets out of the governor, I know that people shoot 45 super out of 45acp n frames with no problem but I am unsure if the governor is safe with that ammo.

Idk who makes the guns but im curious if 30 super cary is really better than 9mm

I carry a revolver because I like to know I have " six for sure"..........( unless my glove gets stuck between the trigger and the trigger guard )🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Realistically I wouldn’t carry a 44 mag unless it had a 6 inch barrel and was ported.. I’m old. Lol

As always very good video when did you get the.44 is it a S&w?

45 Super seems to dump a lot of power in the first few inches. I wonder how that stacks up tp a heavy winter work coat. I still think the 45 ACP 230 ball ammo has better for pentation then the 45 Super.

Saying this to be helpful. You really need to get rid of that glock. I understand the aftermarket barrels and springs for both the 10mm and now the 45 super, but the thing still seems like a lemon.

GET A NEW GLOCK PLEASE SAM💯💯💯

Once again, revolvers prove to be THE most reliable pistols. And glocks not. :)

Yeah but you need to get rid of that Glock maybe get different Glock I think you might have a lemon

Another reason I personally wont buy a glock

Get American 1911 pistol

Seems like Glocks are problematic for you lately.

I know people love glocks but I have read that an hk usp or hk 45 are much more reliable than any glock piece together conversion. And it can take the beating longer due to better recoil spring system. 45 super is awesome

xtp are good rounds buffalo bore is some good tool in the tool box ammo for a handgun to maximize its ability depending on loading