I think your demonstration is fair and objective for anyone considering these calibers. I'm impressed with 45 super. I prefer a semiauto pistol for woods protection even though I'm a big fan of .357 and .44 mag. I carry 10mm and at times 9mm. We don't have brown bears where I frequent, but I have to say a 400lb black bear makes me nervous if I happen to have 9mm for protection. Anyway, I think this is one of the better comparisons that I've seen.
I don’t see the 460 Rowland in any of the comments. I recently converted a Para ordinance expert 1911 to 460 after searching/ researching a large dangerous game handgun. For $300-$340 you can convert a number of 45acp offerings to a 44 magnum equivalent ( 255 gr underwood = 1300 fps or a 135 grain Lehigh penetrator at 1900 fps). That’s 300 blackout territory! Seemed well worth the expense.
Yeah man the 460 Rowland is just absolutely awesome there's nothing out there that can even begin to compare with it in a semi-automatic platform unless you're going to resurrect an old 45 Winchester magnum lar grizzly which is awesome I would love to get my hands on one of those
Like i said in another channel. Ive been saving up for a 10mm. I live jn the south now and a few times ive been outside in my yard I've seen a few wild pork chops giving me the stink eye. I think they may have invited themselves to a BBQ
I upgraded my glock 21 Gen 4 to shoot 45 super by underwood. Fantastic stuff. Got the 135 grain Leigh defense extreme defender at 1500 fps, the 185 grain at 1300 fps and the 230 grain at 1100 fps. Minimum of 610 ft lb energy up to 700. Not bad from company loaded stuff. Shot it already a couple days. Kicks a little but definitely manageable. (weaver stance with crushing grip)
I’m picking up my Glock 21SF Gen 3 (Live in California) next week. What needs to be done to upgrade this to shoot super by Underwood. I thought all Glocks had this capability.
@@beachliving3127 24lb recoil spring. Extra power mag spring and a KKM precision barrell(doesn't have to be them but that's who I went with) and that's it!
357sig says Hello! Really good test by the way. Not surprised at all with the 9mm performance out of a longer barrel with flat nose bullets, you're getting into the low power 357sig territory with this setup. Full power 357sig typically outpenetrates 10mm when comparing ammo with similar sectional density, not to say it outperforms it because 10mm is still a bigger diameter bullet hole. Both great cartridges, and so is the 45 Super.
The 10 arguably has a lot more left on the table with how hot you can load them. The 357 sig and magnum are two of my favorite rounds. I own and shoot 40, 10, 357 mag, and 44 mag. I think one should own them all. 😂
Glad to see you post again. Shot placement is definitely key, recently had a hog hunting experience really hammer this home. Someone had placed 2 wounding shots on a 150lb-ish boar (.270 Winchester) and I had chased it down. Ended up with 9 rounds of 135gr +P critical duty 9mm being fired into it, the final shot being a head shot that actually put it down.
How did the critical duties actually perform…penetration, expansion? Typically if something really wants to put up a fight..unless the brain is starved of oxygen…which takes time.. only destruction of the central nervous system can guarantee an end…
@@7N6ballistics unfortunately I was at one of those "All inclusive" type places and didn't get to gut or butcher the animals we shot. The only exit wound was from the headshot and none of the shoulder and torso shots exited so I can only assume the projectiles did their job and expanded. If I were to guess even more I would say I was reaching at least the lungs with the first shots as it started to slow down with the 7th or 8th round anchoring the hog more or less against a fence, and the 9th through the head I was able to take my time and it wasn't moving much, this final round dropping it completely. CZ-PO7 4-ish inch barrel, started shooting at 35 yards ending at about 15 yards. I chose the critical duty after watching some dude on RU-vid shoot through a dead hog skull and despite blasting through bone the bullet seemed to hold together enough for me.
@@M.H.D.actual More than likely they expanded then…Critical Duty isn’t really known to under penetrate…would have liked to know if they made it to the far side hide. Either way..2rds from a .270 again shows “hydrostatic shock” from a handgun is pretty insignificant on animals of reasonable size…as that .270 FAR exceeds anything that could be dreamed of from service caliber handguns…
@@7N6ballistics Yes for sure, the two rifle shots were definitely bad shots, at least one of them being a gut shot. Cranial over pressure maybe but hydrostatic shock isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially in handguns. I will definitely be keeping the critical duty as a 'woods load' for now as it seems to have adequate penetration, although I am also very curious as to what those bullets looked like. I guess that's for next time.
@@M.H.D.actual if you find out in future..give some feed back. So far I find a lightly clothed water jug or ballistics gel reasonably approximates expansion in game animals.
I have no horse in this race. I own multiple guns in all three of the calibers tested. 45 super did seem to be the most devastating with a larger hole. The 124gr 9mm was a pleasant surprise. Probably the reason why it's testing against other calibers so often. 9MM seems to be somewhat of a overachiever. Just my 2cents
@@N238E not true. I pick up 65gr, 90gr, 115gr, 124gr, 125gr, 147gr 357 Sig all the time. I think the Xtreme Defender projectiles are hard cast aren’t they?
Well done; good comparison choice, straightforward analysis, right to the point. Concur that .45 Super and 10mm would be likely to do the job with correct shot placement; I have my doubts about the 9mm, penetration notwithstanding. Controllability as always is critical for the inevitable follow-on shot possibility. Best way to survive a bear attack is not to have one.
I guess that’s the best approach…never find out. However, real world events show similar results with the typical “service” calibers..that lends credence to adequate test results….🤷♂️
I saw a video of 357sig vs 10mm penetration test and the 10mm lost I own both but I'm starting to lean towards the 357sig for woods carry and hunting but I always carry my redhawk 44 magnum 4.2 inch barrel here in Montana 😊
I believe he mentioned the FPS on all three pretty early in the video. All three rounds come in at around 1150FPS. Especially with the .45Super pushing 255 grains moving at 1100+FPS is crazy for an auto loading pistol.
@@mruler360 Thank you my friend. The bullet 124gr 9mm probabily is hard cast lead core and jachet is bonded...? The bullet repertoire post target is intact, not deformation not separation jachet- core... is very solid bullet. Sorry for my english
Damn this guy talks soooo much for sooo long But this test is super valuable and deserves respect for the effort it took I've always wondered how these exact three 9mm loads compared with the others
9mm has less frontal area being a smaller diameter, and shorter bullets slow down less when tumbling. The advantage of the larger caliber is mass (momentum).
I don't understand why any video I ever see where they're comparing a 10 mm to a 45 super or 450 SMC they never give the 45 credit you always making excuses for the 10 mm I know for a fact from data and personal experience the 450 SMC is more powerful has more energy and more velocity than 10 MMS hands down, but the 45 super and the 10 mm are more comparableAnd and evenly matched
Trust the 45 super with my life took it on many deers hunts took a few deer with it and even took it on my bear hunt 45 Super really allows 45 to shine 450smc as 460Rowland are just better examples of what the 45 is capable of I still tote my 45 super today just like the 10mm & 9mm change up your load for the given task on my bear hunt I took 255gr hardcast on my whitetail hunts 185,200,230 lol it’s an awesome Round and upgrade for the cartridge people just don’t understand it
And about 7,000 PSI difference is well between that and a + p round the 450 SMC has thirty-two thousand PSI 245 super has 28,000 PSI the 45 + PS 23,000 and the standard has 21,000 there's is your difference
Hot 9mm round and 10mm is 200-300fps slower than "full power" rounds designed to penetrate. Similar to the .22 magnum vs 9mm testing floating around on yt.
Great video. Would love to see them shot at 50 yards at the same material and see if one stands out. I love my g40 but ammo is hard to come by now unless i pay nearly double pre covid prices.
I don’t think you will see any significant difference from the Heavy projectiles…the lighter possibly…but keep in mind this test is more for defense against larger critters…not longer range hunting..
Yeah i understand where you are coming from i guess i’m just a little upset that they all had the same result in the end other than the slight deviation of the 9mm. Wish there was a clear winner is all
Bullet shape and constrution has a lot to do with it. For instance look at some of the all copper projectiles such as G9 after passing through glass…light for caliber, but minimal deflection. In this case it was the projectiles that didn’t yaw that penetrated the most…which I believe has more to do with a weight forward…IE a shorter squat 124 gr vs a longer 115 or 147gr. At least in this particular media.
When I carry only a handgun for protection from black bears, feral hogs, and wild dogs, I prefer to carry a 6-inch 357 magnum Smith and Wesson revolver loaded with 180 grain hard-cast lead ammo. Other than my 357 magnum, I would feel safe carrying my 6-inch 45 HK semi-automatic loaded with 255 grain Underwood hard-cast lead 45 Super ammo. I do not own a 10mm but would feel safe carrying one. On the other hand, I would not feel safe carrying my 9mm with hard-cast ammo but would do so only if that was all that was available.
@@fordloyalist2791 i would say any handgun is sub optimal….with that said. sportingclassicsdaily.com/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/
Not for brown bear, but it's a decent option, in my opinion. I just want to get rounds off because a charging animal is a fast mover. They own the woods.
Thanks, Trying to understand how that works out, from their website - you attach an adapter of sorts to the barrel’s threads, and the muzzle device in turn attaches to this adapter? Didn’t see them list the weird metric thread the Mark 23 uses…
Forget about defending against a Angry Charging Brown Bear with a Pea Shooter. It Is Way too Risky. Bring a Compact Semi- Auto Bull Pup 12 Gauge. and the 10mm. or 44 mag. They are Raging Monsters and you are a Twig to them. You would need Perfect Shot Placement and at least 10 Rounds in the Brain and Heart to Stop them. Use Common Sence.
@@7N6ballistics In an emergency you shoulder the compact semi- auto 12 gauge a finish Business Safely . The sidearm is good for a sidearm. It could kill the Bear before it Opens you up OR it Might Not. the 10 mm won't crash through the Scull most times. Too Risky.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but the body of evidence shows..more often than not a hit with a service caliber handgun has a pretty decent chance of deterring and attack.
@@7N6ballistics If I'm in the forest and being circled by wolves I Pray I have a 12 Gauge semi auto Bullpup w/ 10m round magazine -- with A Pocket full of 00. Buck. You have to think of the Stuff that can go wrong out there. You will need flares at night as well. Illuminate the threat and scare some away. Tomahawk , Sidearm. back up 45 long colt derringer for the pocket, 12 Gauge . With Brenekie. Slugs and Buck. I want it all. Even a small container of lighter fluid to make a big Fire Quick. Also a Sat Phone .
@@sluggfaro7658 there is a reason the link was provided in description. As far as a “bears skull”. There were several RU-vidrs that attempted to use bear skulls in their videos…it demonstrated nothing…as all the rounds including 9mm penetrated without issue. If you are speaking of deflection…that could be a different issue…though bullet profile tends to have more effect than caliber.
So would you rather have a 10mil or 9mil if you were to cross paths with a bear? In real world, encounters the 9mm doesn’t have enough mass or energy for big game animals
@@sluggfaro7658 real world shows similar results as long as decent hits are attained. That is..more often than not the animal breaks contact or expires. What I personally would carry would depend on the location and context of what it is i set out in the backcountry for. As far as my response should such a situation occur…It wouldn’t matter…9mm, 10mm, .45 super..same response would be required. The purpose of the demonstration is to show..regardless of caliber..load it properly and worry about good shot placement… Ones ability to accurately and rapidly utilize the tool at hand should be the overriding concern in regards to what one would carry.
In this video the 10 mm had a lighter bullet traveling at greater velocity than the 45 super and the 45 super still beat it out but it wasn't that much heavier than the 10 mm they didn't use a 220 grain cardcast bullet, Anna scenario with a large dangerous animal I would choose the 45 because the larger bullet is going to do more damage
I guess the 10 mm does have more velocity it's got a longer barrel than a 45 a whole inch if I'm not mistaken it's more than an inch so come on man get it right
@@GregAlcorn 6 - 5.6 = .4, so less than 1/2”. You were wrong and I wasn’t sure…hints “I believe”. Regardless, It would have made no practical difference.
@@7N6ballistics do the f*** was I wrong you were wrong and I called you and you're bullshiting you don't like it, if you can't remain objective it keep your 10 mm fanboy love affair out of it to something else
And you're not the only one, half the guys in do these videos all 10 mm Fanboys and they break their necks to make sure that the 10 mm has every advantage
