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The quattro shown here, is quattro Ultra Drive, which is made for better fuel consumption on some models. The quattro system in the performance cars are different. For example, cars with transversely mounted engines (hatchbacks and TT) use the Haldex variant, which is FWD biased until needed, the performance cars like RS4,5,6,7 and S variants use Torsen quattro, and is permanent, 60 rear, 40 front when just driving. The R8 system is it's own as well, which is 85 rear, and 15 front.
I researched for 7 months before buying my Audi. It’s the best awd on the market. It’s gotten me through some extreme snow situations over the past couple years. 8+ inches up steep roads. I swear by the Quattro system. And I don’t think I’ll ever buy anything other than Audi.
Yeah man, I also was researching a lot, before I made a choice with old 1996 a4 audi with torsen, and now it really meets my needs all year round, all weather conditions. Some say that this is quite tricky car. Sometimes it breaks down, but I love it.
@@am-mm2sl попробуй ауди - крупный седан(A4-A5-A6-A7-A8), там совсем другая квадро, 200км\ч по ледяной трассе, на не шипованной резине- легко- и все это с частыми обгонами и перестроениями. Хоть я и бмвист, но полный привод у ауди божественный!
I was driving Audi quattro many years on snowy mountains and Audi quattro is so much reliable than any car for that environment because of their transfer's and differential system.
Even under the same brand name, not all systems are created equal. MB actually has 5 different kinds of 4matic. The video only depicted their compact car 4matic system, which is FWD biased. For full size cars and SUVs (C class and up) the basic system distributes power 50/50 front to rear (eg. GLE 350), and the higher end system can distribute up to 100% to either axel (eg. GLE 450). Then there are the Performance 4matic (eg. C43) and 4matic+ systems (eg. E63) on the AMG tuned cars.
I have a 2006 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro with 6sp Tiptronic, from what I understand, this application of Quattro uses Torsen differentials, not sure if it uses them on front / centre / rear differential, but from the video showing the cutaway Quattro front differential you can see that it is an open differential. Every application and generation of the powertrains are different, but from what I've seen, Quattro does perform extremely well in snow conditions. Cant speak on the others, but I see alot of electronically controlled clutches. Service on any of the systems shown will most likely be abysmal for those working on it and those paying for it. The ABS system on the Quattro is a really key component as with any of these for torque vectoring both on braking and on acceleration conditions at the wheels. General conclusion: get out and drive, and dont skip on maintenance steps, even if the manufacturer says it's a "non-serviceable" fluid -___-
@@chrisibrandstetter yeah sire...but the eay was clean...was snow only on the mountain i think...always its someone like you that make the difference thank you because you born
@@Wicked_RotF30 probably there was a low power engine, unless powerful engine quattro does not reveal it's capabilities
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The Audi one as shown here, is not the torsen quattro, it's the Haldex system which can shut down the rear axle completely if not needed, in fact Haldex in the Audi's is a fwd bios awd system, on the other hand traditional Torsen quattro sends %60 power to the rear wheels and %40 to the front wheels all the time, it can send up to %70 to the front and %85 to the rear if needed. For the record, A1, S1, Q3, A3, S3 and RS3 all use Haldex awd system, A4 and all the upper models use torsen Quattro.
No.. Acura SH-awd is better... Instaed of using the "Brakes" to drag your inside wheels around corners.. They use planetary gears on each rear wheel to PUSH the car's outer wheels faster---- much better design. Instead of dragging brakes, its pushing you around the corner. Fundamentally superior design.
Draggy654 I've got a rs4 b7 and the quattro is amazing especially in winter I never had any problems but I have to say, that Subaru's awd is the only system that's better.
On the Audis, not all models can be front-wheel only when all-wheel drive isn't required. Only the smaller models or the Ultra variants have this feature. A lot of the other (larger) models are perm all-wheel drive.
@@BorisGen Look at all the comments, clearly when it comes to AWD systems Audi's marketing department is light years ahead of everyone else. Everybody thinks quattro is a gift from God even though it's basically the same thing everyone else is doing (especially since Audi doesn't even make their own transmissions or diffs, they buy them from the same places as everyone else ie ZF, Torsen, Haldex etc).
As a Mercedes tech I have to point out that the 4Matic system shown in the video is for front wheel drive only. It’s much different for the rest of the fleet that are primarily rear wheel drive.
Interesting. I know in the real world my Quattro in the snow is way better than my ML with 4matic. Audi feels like it’s on dry pavement in comparison. Maybe that’s a bad thing because it gives you a lot of confidence. Haha
I have W205 AMG w/4Matic, and the biggest difference between 4Matic & Audi/BMW AWD is that there is lack of individual wheel torque adjustment/tune, essentially it's based on the whole axle, whereas Audi is able to affect individual wheel speeds for cornering and/or icy/uneven terrain. The only real advantage is the huge weight savings and simplicity/fuel economy.
I drove an audi quattro a5 for the 10 years and loved it but just switched to 5 series xdrive. It might just be generational difference or the chasis rather than the drive system but as a package, the 5 series is way better when cornering at speed.
Did your Audi have the sport differential option? I went from a 2008 A4 to a 2016 S5 with the sport differential and it definitely made a difference when cornering at speed. With that being said though I really don't have much experience with xdrive so it could just be better as well.
My Audi Q5 is still a real Quattro...I was considering trading on a new Q5 but now they are just FWD with the rear being turned on sometimes I think I'll just keep the current car.
You can tell by which way the engine is mounted. If mounted traversal, you have a Haldex AWD system, biased to FWD and can usually only split 50/50 when needed. If engine is mounted longitudinally, you have a torsen system which is RWD biased with generally a constant 60/40 split under normal conditions.
Not even after they caused all those Tdi owners to lose 2/3 of the value of their car over night? Oh yeah I would love buying a car from a scam artist for 30k then the next day it’s worth 10 because vw is crooks
I just came back from a skitrip, we had a BMW X5 with Xdrive, it climbed the icy mountain easily and we even rescued 2 cars by towing them up from a valley.
Muss du aufpassen..Bekante im Schnee Gas gegeben..wollte seinem Sonn zeigen wid x5 Drifftet..Ackswelle war durch..gefertigt aus Rohr..beim audi ist Antriebwelle aus Metall..kein Rohr...
since this video, BMW has introduced a new faster acting traction system called ARB internally. fiber optic system that works 10x faster than previous ethernet based talking. also instead of cutting throttle and testing for traction return it simply knows how much traction each wheel has and gives that individual wheel all it can handle. Also in 2018 Audi started moving every one of their Quattro systems to a more rear bias to improve sporty handling.
Haldex and this 4matic is awful, give me a proper 4wd torsen diff any day of the week. For sporting driving you want it to send more power to the rear as per the ayc in an evo.
4matic has a center LSD which are find for road use and can transfer power front to pack as needed.. You dont need locking front and rear differential with low range transfer case.. you're not going off-roading or rock climbing in a luxury sedan with 3inch of clearance..
You can get 4MATIC in Mercedes sports cars that are rear wheel drive, can send up to 50% to front wheels, can go 100% in the rear and activate drift mode in some AMG models. It has all the electronic fancy stuff to be fuel efficient while at the same time giving you the most grip possible
Audi quattro started it all and every auto maker tries to surpass it, to no avail. Quattro set the standard and still remains the standard. It’s simply the best AWD system on the road. I literally tried to get my Audi stuck in the snow. She wouldn’t have any of that. If you take care of her, she will always take you home.
The Quattro is great, I have a 2001 S8 and A4 Avant but the 4Matic is very good also. Have driven my sister's 2000 E320 in a snow storm when everyone else was crawling along at 25 I was able to 50 MPH safely. In fact I really didn't notice a difference vs dry pavement. I haven't driven many AWD BMWs or at least in the snow. I owned a 89 325ix years ago and driven in the snow but wasn't very impressed with that system. Though I think the newer BMWs borrowed technology from Land Rover when they owned them in the late 90s. Around 2004 they put BMW 4.4 V8s in Range Rovers.
Simply put, you could not have been impressed with 89 325ix because the xdrive didn't exist back then. They only introduced the system back in 2003. the cars since 1985 with AWD used a different approach to drive all 4s. quattro has been the king of AWDs but only until about 10 or so years ago, now these systems (at least from top manufacturers) have very little between them. It will mostly depend on driver, technique and tyres. Where I live, my 16 F11 xdrive gets me through 25cm snow (close to 1 feet) without any signs of a struggle.
@@oskarsveberis4543 BMW borrowed the tech when they purchased Land Rover but still the early X5s are problematic. Took them a decade to figure it out to be more reliable but they're getting there.
@@l.m.1375 That moment when ppl think a product from their favorite brand is the best! Get serious!? Check out the GLE 2019 or the G 2019. Systems are always updated! Next year it can be Toyota on top!
maliti emmanuel new isn't always better. Older cars are often better than new one because of more mechanic than electric. And that's just a fact because I've drove many different cars and also from other people's experiences and what I've seen: xDrive and 4matic are shit when you live in the mountains.
Indeed, Acura's AWD is no. 1. I've seen some incredible moves from Acuras. And after i drove some cars in harsh conditions, i think older Subaru's AWD is somewhat better then Audi's Quatro. Didn't drive the new Subaru, i own a 2010 Outback and it had better stability and traction then a 2020 Audi A8. Also, i heard that Toyota will use Subaru's AWD on their new generations of Toyotas and Lexus, that is very very good decision, especially for Lexus, which is only a city car.
Bird is wrong. SH-AWD is a clutch based part time system. Any permanent AWD beats it, example Subaru, Torsen Quattro, Jeep quadra trac. Honda CRVs similar system was rated worst out of any crossover, cant even beat a Rav4.
Best awd system I ever drove was on the old Nissan GT-R 32/33. Rear drive with viscus diff and hydraulic clutch pack in the transfer case. No matter how hard you launched it there was never a delay in engagement. Just sweet rear drive grip with a very progressive torque transfer to the front. Plus it had a gauge that told you how much torque was being sent to the front. Plus plus you could just turn it off for sheer hooliganism.
BMW xDrive often have problems with transfer cases. Sometimes even after 30,000 km. If the guarantee has expired and there is no longer any goodwill claim, then you can expect repair costs of € 5000 to € 6500. You can search for it on Google.
From these videos I see, there is not any difference. All are multi-plate clutch systems which couple other axle when needed. Audi has some strange decoupler additionally to switch off driveshaft completely. I wonder how much thic additional complexity saves fuel. So no central torsen diff for Audi anymore, quattro is just marketing slogan. Considering torsen was licenced technology, probably Audi switched for cheaper one and as multiplate clutch is mostly disengagend on good roads, saves fuel.
I have audi a5 sportback and the performance in corners is awful but it saved my life once when I needed to slow down from 230 to 40 I did not lost control . My alfa romeo 159 is so much better in corners.
Audi system is better. Plus Quattro sounds sexier than xdrive or 4motion. 👍🏼 They just copy cats 🐱 Lamborgini huracan is based on Audi 's 4x4 system. ENUF SAID ! WINNER 👍🏼
@@valenkow9036 bruh its not haldex... Haldex is reactive just like Torsen, while the Ultra is "Predictive". Ultra is pretty much like an all time AWD except when cruising Since Ultra can put 100% power to the rear means its a better AWD, though im still worried about Ultra's clutches overheating
@@valenkow9036 i understand how it works. Haldex bad, Torsen good... Torsen is old, Ultra would have better AWD performance, but im still worried of the Ultra system overheating. Anyways Ultra's main point is "im not using umbrella since its not raining" EDIT: if you think i dont understand that Torsen is "Mechanical" then im kindly telling you that i know... im hoping you could understand what "Predictive" and "Reactive" means so does "Mechanical" and "Electronically" controlled
Audi as well. The part-time systems are generally rubbish except for rain and maybe getting you un-stuck from your driveway or at a stop light. So you have to check each model to see what system it actually has as they are all branded the same for for marketing purposes.
@@plektosgaming cheaper models across all makes have slightly less effective systems. Audi, bmw, benz, more expensive models have better systems. The Asian cars as a whole except Subaru (and some acuras) have very ineffective systems.
@@kgpax From what I can tell, they are designed for rain and that's about it. If your car has to come to a stop and then it takes literally half a second to a full second to jiggle the wheels around to find its brain, it's useless in actual snow or mud. I get what they wanted to do - which is to put an extra diff in the mix so that the 4wd system could work without the tires crabbing and hopping around corners, but relying on computers and hydraulic fluid is absurd if it takes several seconds for it to start working. The original (and expensive) AWD systems (Audi and Subaru) worked because they did this all mechanically, just with extra components to handle the differing driveshaft speeds. But then the bean counters got involved and a $5000 system - well, we can do it cheaper... If it can't handle snow or keep the wheels spinning, it's zero wheel drive and a bunch of fake advertising. As we see all too well.
@@plektosgaming I can tell you here in the northeast the so called cars that have AWD get stuck often and can't get up icy hills.......I believe in some respects some cars should not be allowed to be badged as AWD.
if they (OOOO) don't use anymore the torsen central diff "bullet proof" system which have to had that engine in the front of the axle.. why they didn't resolve understeering character by moving engine slightly to the back?
quattro better than 4matic better than xdrive. for most situations I think this is correct. haldex vs a good 4matic is different but I as a general rule I think this stands. even with my BMW and Mercedes friends we all agree on this one thing.