I witnessed an interesting case of interference at my last tournament. My card just finished a short hole where the basket was at the top of a hill with a lake at the bottom. We were on the next tee (which was at the bottom of the hill) when we saw a drive from the card behind us catch an edge and roll down. One of the guys on our card raced out and grabbed the disc a foot before it rolled into the pond. (Why yes, it was his first tournament, how’d you know?) It took much discussion between us, the card behind us, and the TD to sort it out. The player on our card should have been assessed a 2-stroke penalty, but the TD gave him a warning instead. (He was so far back in the standings it would’ve made no difference.) The guy who threw the disc got to play it right where the other player stopped it with no OB penalty. While this should have been a boon to the thrower, he later told me that the whole scenario threw him off his mental game and he couldn’t get it back together again.
That is wild. I had someone (not disc golfer) pick up my disc that was parked on a blind hole - we looked for the disc - I figured it caught an edge and rolled somewhere- I re teed and later got a call from a guy that he found a Frisbee with my name and number by the basket we were on. 😂
I would like see Chris discuss taking a lie, particularly in difficult spots. I know that interfering with the course other than during or as a result of a player's throwing motion (such as holding a branch out of your line with your hand or arm) is not allowed, but i have had interesting discussions about blocking objects with your body, e.g. taking a lie inside of a bush.
Actually Steam probably WOULD be covered by 803.02 (B) (If it was physically preventing the player from taking a legal stance. I myself wouldn't pick a fight with steam.. (By the way... it's probably NOT steam... but water droplets you are seeing... as "Steam" is near invisible until it cools/condenses into water droplets...). I sort of have an issue with 803.02 as it misses an obvious need to cover ALL obstacles that could harm you... For instance, a hornets nest (ok we don't have Hornets in NZ... but we have Ongaonga... (Urtica ferox or tree nettle)... It's been know to kill horses and 1 New Zealander (on record)... as if Gorse isn't bad enough... (I was chatting to an American tourist who marvelled in the fact that Wellington's hills were covered with a beautiful yellow flowered bush... Yeh thanks to my Scottish rellies bringing a needle covered bush (oh and they brought Scottish thistle too) for fencing... I've had a thorn pierce my eye lens... Left me with a psychedelic wrinkly opaque cellophane thumbprint vision out of one eye for a day... luckily it didn't leave the rotten tip that usually sticks in your skin (often with a piece of thread from your clothing... many a night picking blue (jeans) thorns out of my knees after trail riding the hills) in my eye... That woulda been fun. Got to see a neat "Sonar?" of my eye with a volcano shaped piercing in the lens. (I never needed a Dr till I was 40)... and only since with self inflicted damage... sigh. Even the rash that looked like shingles turned out to be (I guess) a heat rash from getting waaaay to close to a diesel heater while a bit 'under the weather'.
What would be the difference between 811.f.2 "Intentionally failing to complete a hole constitutes withdrawal from competition" and 811.f.6 Omitted Hole? If I get up to the tee and intentionally skip the hole because I always get a bad score and want to take par + 4, what would make it omitted vs intentionally failing to complete it?
If you see this, what's your take on the new 802.05 - Lie changes for 2024? With the rule now stating "If the playing surface ends, the line of play continues on the nearest playing surface following that line," wouldn't that mean a player whose disc lands on the front side of a 10' wide tree can opt to play behind the tree base, opening up a potentially better angle with less hazards? Just waiting to see this play out randomly on JOMEZ someday.
Question: I was told dead branches in front of your disc can be moved as stated... A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface farther from the target than the front edge of the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director. Objects intentionally placed as part of the course or event are not casual obstacles.
the text you quoted says "farther from the target" which would mean behind your disc. If it said 'objects closer to the target may be moved" then you could move branches in front of your disc
There was a small discrepancy in the casual water. You don't always have to take relief backwards from the water. If you land on the side closer to the hole then roll backwards into the water then you are allowed to take relief forward from the water.
Interesting case happened to me. A guy in my card arrived late after we all completed our first teeshot. We allowed him to play the teeshot (even if in theory he was first in the order) and to complete the hole. After the round he got a par+4 penalty
@@riccardorossini1169 it’s not a grey area, if he’s not there when it’s his turn to throw, than you wait 30 seconds after that he doesn’t get to play the hole.
Can you add stuff to your lie if you want to? For example if my lie is in a puddle of water and I want to throw from it, can I add for example a rock or piece of wood on which I can put my foot without having to step into the water and getting wet?
What does advancing beyond the away player mean? Is that like going up the fairway the group can't pass the farthest away? I thought that was just courtesy.
That's Funny....1st competitive round I ever played.... Chandler Kramer called me on a courtesy violation after missed putt, next one I smashed the basket and Said FU basket... true story No One second it.... they know that frustration of making a phenomenal up shot to have a look at par and have a strong side spit out,,,,
Ok, so if there's a 4 card backup in the middle of a round, and a hole that we had played previously is nearby, could I go throw some shots on that hole without any penalty? Assuming no one else is playing the hole, of course. And if that would be allowed, would the ruling be different if I threw a few shots on a hole that we hadn't yet played?
Any and all of the throws you describe are practice throws and NOT allowed once the round begins. These would only be allowed if the round was suspended for weather.
Had an issue with wrong hole in a tournament slapped together becuse city literally wanted a tournament 1 second after concrete hand cured on course so a local pro on lowest rung of Innova as a pro in 2008 he ran a tournament made in under a week as when he was told to have a PDGA Sanctioned tournament around 6 days. So, some holes in one tournament were not bagged up becuse wind took one of Bags in round one SO we played both baskets a temp, for hole as did all but group tournament director was in and asked before writing up correct scores on course having our scores on pieces of paper for hole. Also, everyone had to take a picture of handwriting rules becuse his printer a cheap Cannon Died and some of handwriting was poorly done like a Mando around tallest of 3 cottonwoods on a hole and all 3 were in same area and around same height where again all but his Pro card played all 3 trees as Mando without a drop zone.
@PilotJames025 I just looked it up. I found that the 2 meter rule is most commonly used in California, however it is the tournament director's choice whether or not it is in effect
The stick infront of my disc is getting moved cause that rule is going to injure ppl ... Even the person demonstrating almost messed up there ankle ...
Anyone got a third party app that can speed up audio so it sounds like this AI is actually speaking in a human cadence? This robot sounds insufferable.
