5 Players that Played against or with Jordan or Lebron Weigh in on the GOAT 

The fact that Ray Allen, a guy who won championships with Lebron, says "MJ all day long," is all you ever need to know.

Jordan is the goat and It's not even close. This whole ridiculous debate is just a construct of the league and media for clicks and engagement, propping LeBron up to try to fill the void of Jordan's retirement

2 of these guys won rings with LeBron too, yet they'd take Jordan over LeBron all-time.

Jordan's was being called the goat by his peers and competition before he won his first 3 championships.. There wasnt debated and nobody even questioned it. It was just accepted. Kareem having the scoring record didn't matter in the discussion then and Lebron having it doesn't matter now

Jordan would smoke LeBron's lazy no defense playing self

MJ gave us more in 13 years with the Bulls than any current player who's on year 20+.

If lebron and MJ were in the same era, nobody would know or notice lebron.

Bron best accolade is longevity. Thats why he is #1 in total scoring. But he is also #1 in total turnovers, and soon will be #1 in missed shots. Goat would never choke, especially in the grandest stage

MJ played as a point guard for a brief stint and had incredible assist numbers, passing ability, and playmaking ability.

Wade straight up disrespected Kobe and his dominance, by skipping his generation. And some of these ex players on these debates, also forget to mention their defense. Remember MJ had 9 1st all defensive teams. Kobe had 9 1st all defensive teams, and 3 2nd all defensive teams. MJ and Kobe also had that unmatched killer instinct. Bron's was part time.

LeChoke was afraid of Kobe - you don’t think he would have been afraid of MJ?

Ray Allen is an F'ing gem! Nuanced. Thoughtful. Respectful. Analytical. Dude should probably run a team. 🙌🏻

LeBronze wears 23, does the powder toss, and did a Space Jam sequel because he wanna be like Mike.

MJ is the greatest and he has no real blemishes on his career.. when it really mattered, HE WON ALL 6 TIMES.. BY 2 3PEATS!! People downplay that in itself.. he never had a BAD finals.. 27-6-6 was his worst finals series in 96.. we all know what happened in 2011, 18 PPG.... The GOAT cant have that on his resume'

Let's not kid ourselves. If LeBron and Jordan were on the same era, Bron would tremble at the sight of MJ.

MJ was an amazing passer. 88-89 he averaged 32 ppg, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, and 2.9 steals per game. They were beating him up nightly. Bron couldnt touch those numbers then.

Michael Jordan had more career 40-point games then he had games scoring less than 15pts 🤯

If u really break down the small nuances movements, the positioning, the counters and watch how Jordan really has these guys on a string it’s kinda crazy. The way he moves without the ball, how he got to his spots was sometimes even crazier u wouldn’t even notice how he planned to get to it either.

This is not even close. We know repeat is difficult, and yet Jordan had 2 3-peats. Where's Lebron's 3-peat? He couldn't do it despite having that loaded Miami Heats team b/c he ain't good nuf. If you replace Lebron with Jordan, Heats woulda 4-peated during those 4 years.

The thing that sets MJ apart wasn't just his unbelievable skillset, but that he could put it all together in a way that almost assured he was going to win. LeBron is unreal, but for all his talent he has lost 6 times when it counted the most. Once he got his first ring, MJ wasn't just amassing great stats, he was getting them in a way that became almost unbeatable.

Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy, Wade saved Lebron's Legacy. They knew LEBRON is NOT THE GOAT. They had to carry him

one was unstoppable , the other not so much

What you really have to consider is this. He won all his championships with one (1) team……not running all over the NBA teams looking for help in order to win championships. That’s the way “all the great players” did……..

Its funny to me how badly lebron wants this title as the greatest ever but can never achieve that in the eyes of people that watched them both and other greats play. Michael went to six finals and won six finals, he is by far the greatest ive ever seen play.

MJ is the Goat 🐐 no question about it! MJ basketball 🏀 career is all gold medals and championships. That is the story of MJ!

Putting into perspective, the comparisons between Kobe and Michael: Kobe scored 81 v Toronto in 2006 in a regular season game, 10 years into his career. MJ scored 63 against the Mighty Boston Celtics in his 2nd year after breaking his foot, and it was the 1st round of the play-offs against 5 future Hall of Fame starters ...at the Garden. This is something to think seriously about.

Mike inspired several kids all across the world to play basketball. Lebron as well as Kobe, Melo, Magic, Bird, Dr J. and many other greats gained the attention for people to watch them play basketball.

Dr. J made basketball a national phenomenon. Michael Jordan made basketball a global phenomenon. Period.

Ray Allen made the best assessment! Today game is soft! And is strictly focused on offense! In Jordan era! It was brutal look at those bad boys pistons! And Jordan was unstoppable.

This is not meant to be disrespectful at all because I like LeBron and think he is a generational talent. Let me say this just as food for thought though. The longevity discussion for LeBron is both his greatest strength and his greatest criticism and here's why. If I play at any high level and have great players surrounding me and I do it for 20+ years then I should be expected I hold all the records. Simply speaking he has done less with more talented people around him, for a longer period of time. I mean we are closing in on him playing near double the amount of years Jordan did, with going from various super teams, load management, and in a less physical game. I'd hope he'd have about all the records with a 20+ year career considering all of that. Just sayin', and it is something nobody talks about. Jordan did more with less, and in less time. Take away his time with the Wizards, and he still did more with less time and with a less talented supporting cast and didn't jump from team to team or need a super team to do it.

Imagine having to guard somebody, knowing what they're gonna do, and can't do anything about it?! Let that sink in.

One thing I can say, Jordan and Kobe knew how to get to that freethrow line. In Jordan's 63 point playoff game he was 19-21 from the stripe. Kobe's 81 point game he was 18-20 from the stripe. They were masters at getting and 1's or causing you to foul them in the act of shooting because they both had finesse. I'll take finesse over power any day. Jordan and Kobe were both very strong as well, but they used that take contact and still make the shot.

Imagine Jordan in todays game w the new rules favoring scorers holy hell his numbers would be out of this world and no doubt he would have become one of the best 3pt shooters!

Jordan avg 30 without shooting threes. Now add 2 to 3 threes per game and maybe a few free throws. Thats already 40!

Both his teammates say Jordan because they really know him and his mindset

It’s sad that the media pushes this narrative of bron being better than MJ! Even when you ask people about who THEY think is the goat, they don’t want to accept the answer and then in turn try to change their mind about it! How can a man be better than another if you have to push it on people to accept it!

Jordan average a triple double when he played point guard.

If you gave a prime Jordan todays rules AND todays fitness science, he would be a literal super soldier on the court. In his era it was MJ and everyone else. If he was around todau, it would be MJ and a supporting cast.

I've watched the NBA since the early 80s and I would say Lebron is the 3rd or 4th best player I've seen but he's behind Bird and of course Jordan who is the greatest. Bird was a more complete player offensively and a better closer and I say that because Lebron for his career is only shooting 37% outside of 3 feet and in the playoffs it goes down to 31%. This shows he has a weakness and Bird and Jordan had none. Lebron and Magic are interchangeable for me as the 3rd best player.

For your information MJ was a 10 season scoring leader, not even any players can able to do that.. Enough said. Goat 🐐 to me..

Everybody talks about LeBron's 2011 Finals, but lets not forget his abysmal 2013 Championship where he turned the ball over inexplicably 2 times in the Final few minutes of Game 6 in Miami when the Championship was on the line. He was then bailed out by the great Ray Allen. Then, when the exact same roster Spurs team in 2014 decided to play beautiful team basketball, LeBron got thumped 4-1 in the Finals with the same supporting cast of Wade & Bosh. LeBron's had junk teams & super teams that he's taken to the Finals & been thumped with both. That's all you need to know when the uneducated bring up Jordan's super teams.

Why would you make background music so loud man, come on. I can barely hear Jason speak in the first segment. Background music is meant to be background.

Rebounding, lebron has better numbers because he is nearer the rim. As for the 3-point thing, jordan is better when you put things into context.

Jason Kidd experienced LeBron's offense against him was struggled in the 2011 Finals, so it's no surprise.

In short lebron didnt surpass Kobe nor Tim yet..and MJ said he didnt play wilt or West to give people opinion who is GOAT .ect

This is a debate because it's subjective. Yeah numbers (chips, points scored, MVPs won) matter but greatness is measured by the intangibles too. The thing you hear about MJ is that he was a killer, THE killer. MJ was just born like that, he defines what it means to be a winner in basketball and people will always use him as the measuring stick.

Lebron James never encountered such an OFFENSIVE savy like MJ, Who is both CLEVER ,SKILLED, AND SUPER TALENTED on the court. Lebron James is even not on the same atmosphere when it comes to Decision making and Killer Instinct like Jordan, Even the late Kobe Bryant said that he lacks that attribute. He even needed WADE and BOSH to be the better version of himself. Michael Jordan's Resume is just almost UNREPEATABLE.

1:10 bro that picture is wiiiiild... I need that shit framed in my living room or something 😂 love you forever Kob'

D.Wade Michael Jordan is not your G.O.A.T he is the greatest player ever and forever and no one is close to Michael Jordan! I can understand why there is a comparison!

Here's the problem with "numbers" The Cap, Kareem, had 6 rings 2x fmvp. 6x mvp. 11x all defense 15 all nba. 4x blk chmp 2x scr chmp. 19x all star Scoring record..... People were still saying Jordan was the GOAT. Less than 25% of people gave it to Russell, Kareem, or someone else...... Lebrons numbers are not greater than Kareem. I put Lebron 5 or 6. That's respectable and fair for a choker on 3 super teams

So many of these conversations, but it is a good thing so new generations will know what was nba before and how was basketball was played and so many great players back then, that basketball became so popular because of these era’s

no matter what leflop does he is not in the conversation regardless how hard mediocres try to push it. he's been in the NBA way longer than anybody and still chasing MJ's legacy and people want to put him on same level as MJ, yáll must be high on some cheap stuff.

MJ could've gone 10 for 10. Although even MJ himself described mental fatigue creeping in after 3 in a row.

If you put LeBron James on the same team as Jordan or Kobe he would be the number 2 option

Wade said it best, he knows who MJ was..The guy’s talking about MJ you could feel the MJs Greatness…

Jordan was deemed the best player ever before winning a title...by his 3rd title he was deemed the greatest basketball player...after his first retirement came back and another 3 titles he was deemed the goat...greatest athlete of all time

If Kobe come nowdays or anytime just not in Jordan Era he would be much higher..Kobe was just literaly in MJ shadow..some from design some from big shadow..

LaDiva could never Mj W

Love me some Dwade. Classy dude and the 3rd best scoring guard in history. Mike, Kobe, Dwade.

100 times out of 100 MJ all day period!!!! The real 🐐🐐🐐

Bro Magic is better then James I mean guys the propaganda is just disgusting

Lebron never passed bird and many others this conversation is baseless and media created Jordan is on different level Lebron is maybe top 10

Dragging out 20 years to achieve the highest points means nothing to be the greatest, that's expected, it's those that achieved so much in less time.

Aaaaaaah. I see why Bron didn’t show up at his hall of fame induction…..he took this personally! 😂😂😂😂

Michael Jordon = Killer instinct, finishing in the 4th quarter, game winners- series winners shots, always wanting the ball for the last deciding shot, playing every single night so all fans get to witness the GOAT- no player management BS, playing incredible defense every single All NBA 1st team on both sides of the ball, denied many hall of fame players of a title who were in the finals against him, won six titles with one other great player and no superstars but solid role players (ie a team), never, ever actually verbally proclaimed to the world that he was the GOAT, never had to chase away or have coaches fired, never demanding to trade half the team to get him the “help” he needs, never played on a super team besides the Olympics, never had to chase rings, never having 2-3 TV networks praising and arguing the GOAT debate, never had to pay others to make the argument for him, never had the league commish in his jock strap, never was idolized by the refs, never went to the free throw line on so many bogus, phantom calls, never won undeserving awards, (AD should’ve won the MVP of the AAU championship….I mean in-season title), played in the years of defense and intense, physical basketball, never complained about EVERYTHING, never had an excuse on why he lost in the finals (one reason is he NEVER did lose) but if he had, wouldn’t come into the press conference with a cast, talking about playing with BS injuries, played in a very tough eastern conference and had to beat multiple 50+ win teams in the playoffs, never won a bogus covid Disney world title after months of rest, never had to demand people to “give him his damn respect”, never had to have his wife announce he is the GOAT, as a prediction of the future- never demanded his team draft his son so they can play together although he’s just ok at bball, never had to look like an Amish elder with a deep suntan, never disrespected the team that drafted him (his hometown) to chase rings and build super teams, never only read the first page of numerous books while having his picture taken, never was a woke social Justice warrior, never whined about being discriminated against as a black man who just happens to also be a billionaire, never sold his soul to communist China, never crowned himself the king with the putting on the crown move in games or on stage, never paid a tattoo artist to put Chosen 1 across his back, etc…. The list just keeps going but these are just some of the reasons Michael Jordon will ALWAYS be the GOAT and Lebron shouldn’t even be in this conversation because, besides Jordan, Kobe, Kareem, and Wilt are above Bron in this debate. Just own it “The King, the Chosen 1” that you’d be lucky to crack the top five players. You’re top 10 at best.

now i like what DWade said

My childhood was 90’s. MJ will be my Goat 🐐 no matter what Lebron can accomplish or achieve if he retire.. For me Kobe was closest to MJ..

this was NEVER a debate for me LEBRON career is manufactured, before he WON anything he was callin himself the king & the MEDIA sold it, he was never JORDAN💯

Only ones who will even question the greatness of the greats before whether it be Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic or Jordan are people who have never watched them play. Before Bird, there was another name seemingly whitewashed from the books and his nickname was Hondo. John Havlicek. The man was a beast of a player. He is often left out of conversations but truth be told, he is better than most all the superstars of today. Like Bird, not a high flyer so he wasn’t into glamorous plays like today but he got the job done and nobody worked harder at honing their game.

Maybe let off the background music a tad bit so we can hear them talk. Other than that, great content. Thanks!

WELL SAID D WADE

No debate. Jordan is the bar.

Lebron really only has the longevity argument in this debate - MJ accomplished more in less time and did it in a more physical era. He is still the only player in NBA history to win the Scoring Title (he averaged 35.0 PPG) and the Defensive Player of the Year in the same year, also he is the only player in NBA history to achieve (in the same season) the following accolades: Regular Season MVP Scoring Champion NBA Champion Finals MVP Selected to All NBA First Team Selected to All Defensive 1st Team He did that 4 times in all and 2 other times he won all bar the Regular Season MVP - over 7 consecutive years he won the Scoring Title every year averaging 30+ PPG every year and missed a grand total of just 7 games! He is the GOAT and it is not even a close debate.

I have watched basketball for 45 years. Main difference between the 2 is M.J. can jump higher and played higher level of defense period . But there both top players of all time.

Reggie's comments are Classic

That's how it is!!!!!

I'm 70 and Wilt will always be my GOAT

8 for 8 would have bern crazy 🤯

the other reason Le Bron has more points is 3years in college for Jordan 2 years early retirement ,retired in his prime he might have 8 NBA titles . So as 5 years of his pts per game based on 76 games played times 5 =new totals plus playoff games of which he avg 12.5 games x5yrs = then take his 33.5pts a game x12.5x5= his new totals. So Lebron playing his last 14 years in a league that has become more passive and with load management camping out for a 3pt shot has given all NBA players an extension of years to their careers.

8 from 8, I believe that..

Thank you SSooooooo much for making this video. Five high pedigree NBA players that know from PERSONAL experience. 5 for 5 say MJ..... DWade may be the most impactful. My sentiments exactly!! It's MJordan all day, everyday 4 me. Lebron is definately the Goat of this era. Which IS very significant. So props to LBJ

I like the video. I can barely hear the players over the background music.

Reggie Miller said "BLACK JESUS" Chicago Bulls could have gone 8-8 in the NBA championship game and you would have to figure 8 MVP'S if he didn't go play baseball for 2yrs just imagine that if he did dang that would have been frig'in awsome for the UNC TARHEEL NATION!!!!

Stats are with Willt (and not with LJ): 2nd in PPG, 1st in RPG (22.9), 1st in BPG (not really officially recorded, but somewhere between 8-15 BPG)

MJ has more scoring titles than Kobe and LBJ combined. And he did it during the hand check hard foul era......

It boils down to this... facing Lebron worried teams. Facing MJ terrified teams.

You can see the tension in this clip. They clowned tf outta him bout that banana boat 😂

As jordan said about drexler, he is only better than me at 3 pt shooting than i choose to be.

Áudio could be a little louder... Or the music on a lower volume😢

I would have watched this in full but the damn music

Jordan said it best “ the real question is who had a better team around”. Jordan and pippen played around 10 years together and had phill Jackson as a coach the whole time. Never saw or heard pippen thought that he was than MJ. We all witnessed Kyrie behavior towards LBJ. He finally understood after many failures, he was not all that. Jordan is great, at the same time, we can say that he had a better team around him for a longer period of time.

Jordan was primarily a scorer but to say he didn’t pass or that it was the weakest part of his game is such a made up thing.

MJ and Kobe had a work ethic sbove all... that's why teammates called them a..holes,but also made them better. Kobe came in and completely changed that Dream Team with his work ethic...MJ and Kobe's killa instinct was devastating

M J UNDISPUTED GOAT !

MWP is all over the place with his memory of MJ's last years....said he missed most of his first season with the Wizards then came back for two more and that his very last season was really bad, that he dropped 40 the first season. Not quite true. MJ only played two seasons as a Wizard and he dropped 40 on Metta in his final season, one month shy of his 40th birthday

Felt very quiet. You should add background music to this

Before Phil came Doug Collins had MJ at the point and he put up a triple double almost every night. His scoring dropped slightly but his assists went up astronomically. Not just 10-11, Im talking 15-16 assists per game.

If bron was older than mj you'd like basketball because of him!!💯

11:01 this man really said Jordan played with Steve Urkel was on the wizards… hahah Pretty sure he meant “Jahidi White”, but that had me laughing for a minute

Nice video. But music too loud