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5 Speed Crown Victoria VS 5 Speed Grand Marquis

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I put a manual-swapped 2011 Ford Crown Victoria up against my stick shift swapped 2003 Grand Marquis to see if there really is a benefit to getting the P71 over the civilian car!
We both used T-45 manual transmissions from Ford Mustangs but we could have used T3650s or T56's instead. But no matter what transmission you go with a modified panther platform for is a great option to go with!

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@BradHouser Год назад

I had a 2005 Crovn Vic Police Interceptor. I was happy with it until it was stolen in 2014. I now have a 2009 Grand Marquis, and I am very happy with it unmodified. It doesn't hurt that I am a grandpa. However, I no longer have to worry about the car in front of me slowing down because he/she thinks I am a cop. I appreciate the extra luxury. I am also enjoying the V8 motor while I can, as it is an endangered species. Both are great cars. 🚓🚗

@200degrees Год назад

That sucks that it was stolen! But I'm glad you like the 09! I've owned 3 Marquis and 1 Town Car but no Crown Vic's so I've never dealt with that experience of traffic noticing me aha But yea they're great cars, I will likely always have one lying around.

@confusedredditor1660 8 месяцев назад

I'm sorry

@geraldscott4302 Год назад

Yes the P71 is faster, but I still prefer the Grand Marquis. It's perfect for what I do most. Long road trips. It has softer suspension, more comfortable seats, tires with wider sidewalls, an automatic overdrive, and that wonderful 2.73 rear axle that lets you cruise at 65 mph just above idle. With the cruise control on 65 mph on fairly level roads, it will get 30+ MPG. Exactly what I want.

@xenapaprika4555 Год назад

I bought a beat-up 2009 grand marquis with low mileage on it last year. Paint job was so screwed up by that point that we decided to just have some fun and paint it pink! So many people will disagree with that decision, but this bad boy is my custom dream car now! It’s more car than I could ever ask for!

@jesse.vr6 Год назад

Definitely the Grand Marquis for me. I put a LSD and 5 speed in mine and it's damn fun. Also cheaper for less miles

@200degrees Год назад

Yea exactly, I am currently thinking of doing it again, same recipe but with a 95-97 town car as a lifted off road rig! They’re just fun cars!

@ozzievalverde8737 Год назад

When I drive around the suburbs I occasionally get compliments from senior citizens regarding my 2004 merc. When I drive around the cities I occasionally get compliments from OGs. I like how panther cars can be both grandpa cars AND gangsta cars.

@bubbles1994 2 года назад

Nice boys I also have a 2010 cvpi manual swapped tr3650 4.10 bought the cur as a beater but fell in love can’t stop modding it chepermance arms watts link adtr sway bars list goes

@bboysupafly1 2 года назад

Can you Plz tell me in the ball park of what it cost to do the manual swap?

@banditpsycho3573 Год назад

@@bboysupafly1 the same amount as your mum

@IeatsWorld Год назад

As someone who owns no panther platform, i greatly enjoyed this video - definitely deserving of more views (this could/should literally be a 100k+ video)

@ericouellette5293 Год назад

A few weeks ago I picked up a 01 grand marquis with 113,000 miles on it for 800. Absolutely love it good ride not too bad mileage. It does have duel exhaust and the limited slip rear. I haven't looked at what gears I have but from what I understand should be the 3.27. I do know it's faster to 60 then my POS 01 Silverado with the 5.3 hell it tops out faster also. I so want to manual swap it one of these days. For now I will enjoy it just as it is. I always wanted a grand marquis or crown Vic and finally got one.

@midwestpanther98 Год назад

Good price.

@BunnyAssassin Год назад

Right on! I bought a '00 Marquis for $600 in 2019, the damn thing was a beater but the A/C worked. I've been slowly restoring it ever since then and now (with a marty tune, ca intake and crown vic dual exhaust w/glasspacks) it drives better than anything I've ever owned! Long live the panther platform!

@jonnyrainforth5516 Год назад

The Marauder sits on the throne

@200degrees Год назад

Oh for sure, a manual swapped marauder would be nearly perfect, I’ll have one down the road!

@LITTLE1994 Год назад

Unless a traditional Panther becomes a sleeper.

@josepmckoon948 Год назад

Maybe if it didn't spit plugs all day

@200degrees Год назад

@@josepmckoon948 the marquis or the marauder? Cause that red cars shot 4 out so far, 1 3 times even after the helicoil

@BunnyAssassin Год назад

@@200degrees Ha! I understand the frustration. The same thing happened to cylinder 7 on mine and thankfully a helicoil fixed it rght up.

@midgetmayo Год назад

So jealous of both these cars, all my 2011 CVPI is missing is a stickshift setup

@200degrees Год назад

I mean with selling my Automatic trans for $800 it made the swap under 500$ all in. So I say go for it! It'll be great!

@alias3020 2 года назад

Seriously underrated video! You should advertise these, I advertise on my other channel, and generally $10 gets around 3k views if you work it well. This can really help your algoritm! thanks for the good good videos!

@random_reptiles_2873 2 года назад

@kevinhughes9200 5 месяцев назад

I have a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis GS 4.6 V8, and even though it has 238400miles on it, it still runs and performs just as well as though it's still new. The owners who originally owned it took amazing care of it and I take really good care of it and after 3 years of owning it and driving it I'm willing to bet that she'll last another 200,000 miles. Best cars on the road in my opinion.

@jhill108 2 года назад

Panther cars are amazing the most reliable and smoothest running cars you'll ever own and so much space. I have a 2004 Town car and it's the most comfortable and spacious car I ever owned. I thought about buying a Crown vic but I have a second car which is a Trans am for my need for speed once in a while and it flies but I still drive the Town car way more often. It's actually my second Town car I've owned the other got wrecked in two accident's and was still drivable when I sold it. If someone rear end me like that in my Trans am I probably wouldn't have survived the crash.. These panther cars are built like a tank.

@P71ScrewHead 2 года назад

The P71 is a great car but I want to swap in the Lincoln interior if not the Marauder one.. I say keep the Towny n mod it a lil, make a Mustang GT 2v turbo kit work on it or TrickFlow top end kit will make it way faster..

@ToyotaNutjob Год назад

Not true. Toyota/lexus 2uzfe based vehicles are better

@LITTLE1994 Год назад

Comparing two different brand cars that are literally made the same way. I used to have a classic 1989 Crown Victoria LX, though. Just as tough with the unique 5.0L Windsor motor.

@WJHandyDad Год назад

that was fun to watch. I definitely think with more gears (auto or stick) the Vics would really wake up. Even just putting the 6 speed auto from the Taurus Interceptor would do wonders due to the gear ratios

@200degrees Год назад

Yea I agree, the 4 speed auto shifts so slowly, and has such tall gears it makes for a sluggish car. More aggressive rear end and a better auto would make a world of difference!

@WJHandyDad Год назад

I had "identical" Mustang GT's, one with auto and one with 5 speed manual. At least from the driver seat, there was a noticeable difference in acceleration, with the 5 speed being the better of the two of course

@wjye Год назад

This was rad man! I’m actually gathering parts for a 5.4 swap myself! Gonna keep my stock auto tho, just cause of how I use my car but man would a 5 speed 5.4 Vic be fun!

@200degrees Год назад

Nice! I’m planning either a 4.6 DOHC or a 5.4 DOHC come spring time, the marquis is my winter car right now so I’ve just got to keep the 4.6 for one more winter haha

@seancarr7018 Год назад

Also has the 90mm mass air flow sensor from the mercury marauder

@fhowland 11 месяцев назад

I had a 1995 Grand Marquis with the handling and performance package . Just as quick as a Police interceptor with all the luxury features!

@grovermayersjr8025 2 года назад

I'm a grandpa who still drives my 2005 Grand Marquis LS Premium. Gotta put it in the shop to replace the rear differential. Thinking about putting a 4.11 rear axle on it. It might be too tall gears for that tyranny. Might as well replace it with the original gears. She only has 126,000 miles on it.

@200degrees 2 года назад

I drove mine auto with the 3.73 I swapped in, and it made for a punchy but still useable car, could drive on the highway and everything, but you’d need a new speedo gear.

@grovermayersjr8025 2 года назад

Thanks. I'm open to popping 3.73 rear gears in it. Speedo no problem. She has the 239 horse 4.6 with 272 pound feet of torque set up. And factory dual exhaust. As you mentioned Grand Marquis were built to cruise the Interstate. Crown Victorias were much more versatile.

@paulstewartcrane Год назад

I just wished I had a Kenny Brown version !

@200degrees Год назад

Oh I agree! I would love a p2 panther! Might just have to make my own aha

@FullPullTv Год назад

I can tell you from experience the p71 only is quicker off the line. I just have rear cats removed and muffler delete on my MGM and I've never lost to a p71 on the highway.

@LoveWhatYouDrive 2 года назад

Cool video thanks for sharing! Very entertaining! I want 5speed

@200degrees 2 года назад

I'm glad you like it! If you're interested in converting it join Manual Swapped Panthers on FB and you'll find tons of info and resources!

@LoveWhatYouDrive 2 года назад

@@200degrees thanks so much I will definitely go in that direction! Great content!

@GrandPitoVic 2 года назад

I have a 03' and a 08' Crown Vic P71's. I bought both from the Miami Police Auction. The 03' I bought Feb 2016 for $675.00 with 91k miles. The 08' I bought Dec 2018 for $1600 with 108k miles on her. The 08' was a Detectives car so not beat like the squad cars as much. I plan on a T-56 Magnum swap for the 03' and a 5.4L. Qa1 coil overs and .Metco control arms. Also Wilwood 6 piston 14 inch brake kit. Also a bunch of other stuff lol. It took a while before I was able to start modifying her. Great cars guys.

@timfrancis5107 Год назад

Mr Hugh. When and where can I attend an auction

@GrandPitoVic Год назад

The prices have Def went up with everything foing on but still way cheaper then a car lot.

@timfrancis5107 Год назад

U have any info on where I can find one at an auction

@crownrick Год назад

Love the Video haha - the video game style is funny! Plus : Love the Crown Vic

@GreenSigmaTH 9 месяцев назад

I've got a 2009 Crown Vic P71 that I use as a daily driver, and it's the most fun daily driver i've ever had, and before that I used an '82 El Camino with a 327ci V8, so that's saying something XD

@SKATETOSLAYER 2 года назад

Really enjoyed watching you guys rip around in those lol. Defintely need to work on my driving skills. I can rip donuts without doing a pre-burnout but still have no idea how to drift a corner on dry pavement from a standstill. Maybe I got to oversteer more now that I think about it.

@200degrees 2 года назад

Thanks so much! It was a blast! I love the long wheelbase of these cars, they make such great drifter training cars. If you’re practicing, start on wide open gravel or snow, you can do everything much slower and can get used to it, and then move to a parking lot after. That being said, never stay in one place too long, practice and move on before the real cops come haha

@ToasterTR 2 года назад

235 width tires are really the only big reason p71s handle so well

@200degrees 2 года назад

Yea it gives them a greater contact for sure, I think that’s why it was easier to slide mine around aha But their whole suspension setup is tighter! Until I get my coil overs and Adtr sway bars ;) haha

@ToasterTR 2 года назад

@@200degrees ive never driven a p71 but the guys on cvn say they were the same Maybe some slightly harder springs for the ride height If you already have the rear sway bar then definitely get the front atdr bar The rear is already pretty tight when you rock it If yours was a sport model from the factory then you should theoretically have the 23mm rear bar over the stock 19 rear bar The p71s also got a 32mm front sway bar over the p72+ 23mm front bar

@200degrees 2 года назад

@@ToasterTR driving them back to back and even pressing on their suspension you could see the P71 was stiffer. And no haha my car was the farthest from a handling package you could get! 2.73 open rear diff, single exhaust, bench seat haha

@dzmacd3547 2 года назад

This was brilliant 😂

@a.kblur04 Год назад

this is a kickass video !! bought an 04 ultimate, love it. definitely agree on the whole aftermarket parts thing... why wouldn't you want the nicer daily? lol

@JohnMurrayOP 2 года назад

Very well done!

@JohnMillerUSA Год назад

🛠🏆🙌 I don’t take the time very often to log in to Google to comment, but you deserve a 5-star review. Man, what I wouldn't do to have a manual 5-speed in my 2005 Grand Marquis! Why this wasn't an option from the factory was a mistake. (Maybe that’s why I’m not in marketing. 🙄😂) Thanks for sharing what you did to the coolest Panther patrolling the streets- with a bitchin' third pedal. Well done, sir!

@justanormalhuman9058 11 месяцев назад

I'd want an 04 grand marquis just because I want to turn it a marauder in discuse now I wouldn't lie and tell people it's a marauder id still say its a grand marquis I'd just make it look like a marauder

@timo55x 9 месяцев назад

You got me!

@ToyotaNutjob Год назад

Dear panther body fan boys, any Toyota/lexus product especially a 2uzfe based platform will exceed these in terms of reliability, comfort, smoothness etc. You can floor a 2uzfe for 25 mins straights going up a mountain pass hauling a ton of stuff (i know because I've done it before, 01 tundra 22 years old).

@200degrees Год назад

I won’t disagree that there is something to be said about the Toyota dependability, my 2001 sequoia had 330,000km and it was a great truck! I threw all kinds of things at it, while my grand marquis is currently broken again haha But the LS400/Toyota platforms always lack something in engagement, every Toyota I’ve owned I quickly sell because I never care about them. So I’ll for sure agree they’re reliable, but I just don’t like them aha

@lsx_doc Год назад

Awesome video

@itsme675t7 Год назад

I have a 2001 GM with 86k. I want to do a 4V swap and add 6466s to it. I have a lot of parts to make the car push over 1kwhp

@67comet 2 года назад

Great video Why are there only 580+ subscribers! (Gonna go see the other 200Degrees' videos to find the answer). Swapping my "05 Crown Vic LX to a manual, 4:10 geared (Still open diff), coil overs at all 4 corners and Mo's Speed Shop tune, makes me smile always (Class Glass Power Bulge hood shipped today, and the Gozilla swap is on the 2 year plan -finances still being substantiated- ).

@200degrees 2 года назад

Haha hopefully it’s just cause I’m new and the rest of the videos aren’t terrible lol And that’s awesome! The 4.10’s will be a blast! I’m jealous of the suspension as I haven’t upgraded mine yet haha

@67comet 2 года назад

@@200degrees I hunted long and hard for coilovers that weren't expensive. 4:10's are fun. I have tall rear tires {255/60R17 summer - 235/60R17 winter} so highway is okay {2800@80 or so}. I've been flowing #L8R-HP {#VicZilla} cuz, well... 7.3 sounds a lot more fun than 4.6 😃. Take care and keep on doing the good stuff.

@200degrees 2 года назад

@@67comet did you buy them used or find a different source?

@SqueezeMonger 4 месяца назад

the key is to run before they start the chase!

@ItsPainnz 2 года назад

4r70w tech is popin off too, relatively inexpensive too. automatic shifts baby

@200degrees 2 года назад

Yea some crazy things are out there, they’ve made paddle shifters for them too!

@Chris-gi9ch Год назад

I had an 2003 Crown Victoria LX "sport" (performance package) with the factory dual exhaust. The published specifications were the same as the Police interceptor. However while still owning it, I test drove a 2000 Police interceptor, which in fact is rated having less horsepower but I found to be noticeably faster? Sometimes the published numbers don't match the performance.

@200degrees Год назад

Maybe it was the rear gearing? His black car had 3.55’s and my red car has 3.73’s and I found mine to have more punch even though I still have a single exhaust and a regular fuel tune.

@Chris-gi9ch Год назад

@@200degrees Yea, good point.

@stevewilliams3850 Год назад

200Degrees : My 2011 Crown Vic LX has close to 135,000 miles. I hope to buried in it. I'm seventy. I'd like to get a Crown Vic police car. I just don't have the money right now. What would I take for a swap? Most likely, either a Grand Marquis, or a Town Car. In other words, another Panther car.

@TheTerminator310 Год назад

I have a love affair with my '07 MGM LS (as you can see by my username). 27 MPG at 80 mph all damn day and like riding a couch. Can't beat it!

@NoName-ik2du 4 месяца назад

What I got out of this video was to go buy a Lincoln Town Car...but maybe I'm biased because I already own one.

@200degrees 4 месяца назад

I like that takeaway haha

@mross302 Год назад

I've got an 05 town car that is getting a 4v and 5 speed swap

@josepmckoon948 Год назад

2003 and up also have the pi heads

@200degrees Год назад

1:43

@Cincy32 Год назад

This is an awesome video!

@wademullis7377 Год назад

How about keeping them original and letting them age into being classics?

@200degrees Год назад

To each their own, I know there are plenty of low mileage nice shape Crown Vic’s and grand marquis out there being kept by people. But for me, no matter what age or type my car is I like to make it my own. Cheers

@ali_almehaiza 2 года назад

I love this video👍

@grovermayersjr8025 2 года назад

Nice video by the way!!

@03SilverMustangGT 2 года назад

Awesome video. What gears are in both cars? My grand Marquis is currently in the shop getting 4.11’s

@200degrees 2 года назад

Red car has 3.73’s, I feel it’s more playful and still really good on the highway, all my sliding was done in 2nd where the black car was using first. The Black car has 3.55’s. 2nd and up felt long to me but first had a lot of room to play.

@200degrees 2 года назад

4.11’s sounds pretty aggressive but should also be a ton of fun! Super punchy!

@03SilverMustangGT 2 года назад

@@200degrees thanks for the reply! Those were some great slides 😁 I’m excited for posi and more sporty gearing. I’ll try and upload a video when it’s all done

@isorozco511 Год назад

Is there a 6 speed option available from a mustang out there or something. I just feel if youre going thru all that hassle might as well make it 6

@200degrees Год назад

There is for sure, the T56 magnum instead of the T45 or T3650 5 speed choices. It’s just money really, I bought and built my marquis for around 3500$, a T56 would cost around the same price. I’d love one down the road though!

@michaelhuynh8793 Год назад

Vic chase another panther platform

@datznasty1475 Год назад

What center console is in the p71

@200degrees Год назад

New edge Mustang Console

@ma.higiniablancoblanco1380 2 года назад

Make a video teaching how to powerslide and drift

@200degrees 2 года назад

Oooooo I’ll put that on my board!

@matthewgary6054 Год назад

I have a 09 Grand Marquis and was wondering how would I do a conversion for first-timers?

@200degrees Год назад

I would join the manual swapped panther group on Facebook. There are pinned articles, instruction videos, countless people who have done the swap so you can search a bunch of peoples experience and the whole group is happy to help build more! They talk about which transmissions you might want and what gear ratios you’d be interested in as well

@1970Spencer 5 месяцев назад

I had an 2009 Interceptor, 2 ls 01,02,n now 2004 Ultimate edition and now I bought a 05 at 142,000 miles for $2400. I would love to have a manual trans installed. What do you recommend? Salvaged a few parts from a P71, exchanged the air filter housing, went from playing the flute to trombone mass air difference.

@200degrees 5 месяцев назад

The best budget setup in my mind would be throwing P71 sway bars and struts on a Grand Marquis or Town Car. Swap the rear end for 3.73's or 4.10's, which are more fun than even the P71's get from factory. That way you get the nicer interior and features along with the better suspension and acceleration.

@NGGPeter 2 года назад

its literally sagging to the ground lol 5:10

@200degrees 2 года назад

Yea I realized I didn’t take a shot once the airbags (rear air suspension) had aired up 😅 but use the shots you got eh haha

@williamevans7031 Год назад

pov you came off the fb page

@genaroalvaradomendoza144 Год назад

It would be a different story if you put that crown victoria against a Mercury Marauder.

@200degrees Год назад

My grand marquis popped it 2v so I’ll be putting a 4V shortly in it along with some suspension upgrades. Then I’d love to stick it up against a marauder! Andrew is going to stick with a 2V so it’ll stick around the hp it has now

@hardsweatyworker Год назад

Doesn’t PI mean police interceptor

@200degrees Год назад

It’s a common belief that it does but for the engine it means Performance Increased, for the crown Vic the P71 package is the police package, usually also called the PI package which stands for Police Interceptor as stated on the rear badge. But when talking about the 4.6 PI is performance increased.

@hardsweatyworker Год назад

Ohhhh thank you

@InvestwithKhan Год назад

Which car is more comfy P71 or the Grand marquis? P71 doesn’t seem comfy for a road trip. Let me thoughts thanks!!

@200degrees Год назад

Grand Marquis for sure. Softer seats, softer suspension, it’s a prime road trip car!

@InvestwithKhan Год назад

@@200degrees good point I just love the push bar look. Can always put one on the grand marquis I guess lol

@InvestwithKhan Год назад

@@200degrees thanks for response!

@200degrees Год назад

@@InvestwithKhan I've often thought about throwing a push bar on my car just for the fun!

@InvestwithKhan Год назад

@@200degrees you totally should! And if you do please.. do diy tutorial. I am yet to find a good tutorial for it. 👍

@SRT92 7 месяцев назад

0:37 handbrake?

@200degrees 7 месяцев назад

I dumped the clutch to get it rotating, stabbed the clutch mid spin and then dumped it again to get that final flick. Unfortunately my hand brake doesn’t work :(

@policesam1006 10 месяцев назад

CROWN VIC MANUAL SWAP???

@200degrees 10 месяцев назад

Tons of fun!

@SithRattus Год назад

Im doing a manual swap on my 2002 mercury marquis ls. Love these v8 rwd sedans. Muscle car in disguise.

@kimiokarma3029 2 года назад

I'm about to tr3650 swap my 00 grand marquis. Any recommendations in cali or Arizona?

@200degrees 2 года назад

Join manual swapped panthers on fb and there are plenty of resources! Big group of people with information

@kimiokarma3029 2 года назад

@@200degrees great I just requested to join

@jonnyvargas9394 2 года назад

Go check out my RU-vid channel 5 speed Town Car I modified it all the way go check it out

@DHE662 2 года назад

No race?

@200degrees 2 года назад

So I’m not sure why I didn’t plan and then film a race 😅 sorry about that! But in our driving and doing chase shots, our cars were dead to rights equal. My car (mercury) has 3.73 gears and his has 3.55’s. So I think my better gears but worse intake and exhaust made us equal. And both of us have tunes from the same guy.

@LITTLE1994 Год назад

The Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis are exact as fast as each other.

@aname4758 11 месяцев назад

What kinda trans?

@200degrees 11 месяцев назад

We both used T45’s but you can use a T3650 or a T56

@rileyenia9388 6 месяцев назад

Ahh your gear ratio comment is wrong the Vic would be faster off the line but you would have the higher top end as u dont have to have as high rpm to maintain same speed giving u more potential for max speed

@200degrees 6 месяцев назад

I guess I didn't clarify enough, I was thinking from acceleration not top speed making the Crown Vic Faster than the Grand Marquis, especially in an in-town chase. But yea the Marquis would have higher potential top speed than the Crown Vic. I'm curious if they had no speed limiters, would the air resistance/low hp cause the Grand Marquis to be faster because it has higher gearing potential or if the Crown Vic would be faster because it'll need the gearing to overcome the air and rolling resistance.

@ahmedwwh2854 2 года назад

🌚

@mandoperez102 9 месяцев назад

Ofcourse the mercury slower uts 1200lbs heavier

@200degrees 9 месяцев назад

Theres no weight difference between the two cars. Same engine, same frame, same length, same width. My leather seats might be a bit heavier, but 25-50lbs kind of thing.