@@mwkoskamp1 ya know, that's something I've been wondering. How much practice does he get with these locks? We've seen him open fan sent locks, and it appears to us that he is working with them for the first time.
Actually tho that'd be pretty neat. BUt i think the reason why he doesn't is because people are always learning new things and he'd have up update old locks (and he does thousands of them) when a new better method of picking was found or whatever.
@@whydidyoutubeaddthis well then he needs to make it a date based system, like rating from 1 through 10 with two digits behind it for the year. (and if he really would like to go the extra mile add a table to explain what exploits or picking skills came out each year so people could look it up if certain locks where rated before a new vulnerability was found)
@wkruit1 there is now also the ix twinstar with two moving elements in the key but the most secure yet is the diamant from Dom. You can't drill these locks open and picking should be really hard on them
The lock mechanism itself is great. It's not snap proof though. Look at the midsection. That won't support a man's weight and there are no anti snap break off sections. You don't need any skill to break that lock in the real world, just good pliers and a bit of muscle/body weight.
I also doubt it would be as easy to pick, if the lock isn't oriented upside-down. You'd need an extra hand to hold the tension wrench or you risk damaging the lock. In that case it might remain locked permanently.
DOM used to be able to supply this lock with 3 types of keys. 1 full key (left and right - masterkey) 1 left key 1 right key The person with only the left key, needed the person with the right key to make a full key and open the lock. I think we have one in the shop somewhere if anybody’s interested
I appreciate the fact you covered and commended their simple rekeying feature with the extra keys, I feel like that's really quite important to consider for a lock like this
Am I the only one that loses faith in some of these locks after watching him or others just tear through them? Taking 2-4 minutes to manually pick a high security lock is quite intimidating.
Sam Carlson, often, but not always, he remembers to remind people that he's a _professional_ with many years' experience. I'm a hobbyist, and this lock frankly scares me shitless. Street hoodlums and general thieves and thugs would be left with only the option of destructive entry. In short, the locks are far from bad, LockPicking Lawyer is just really, _reeeeally_ damn good.
Every lock is pickable with a few exceptions. This guy can pretty much get through anything and that most criminals would not invest that much time learning.
most locks are not meant to keep people out, they are meant to delay them or make it not worth the time or effort and now it seems so intimidating that they wont even try. Not to mention with a lot of the locks shown, LockPicking Lawyer has practised picking them before filming to do the research needed to make the video so has a good idea where the sweet spots are
So far, Bowley. It took him a good while to do the Mul-T-Lock MT5+ and Abloy have good luck getting any Protec2 videos taken down. If anyone has a different answer I'd be really interested to hear. My new house is getting Bowley locks on all the conventional entry doors.
You know, I would have never thought I'd watch 20+ videos on picking locks but these videos are fantastic. It calms my mind from running. I subbed a few days ago and I haven't found a single video of yours that wasn't interesting, your calm demeanor is great and the videos don't drag on before they get interesting.
When you wake up in the middle of a night. "One is bindin', got a click there, got a click out of two, little something out of three, four is loose and five is loose."
Soon as I hear that , they will hear the racking sound of a certain device that passes out Darwin Awards , it's simple play stupid games win stupid prizes !
" I, Aku, the shape shifting master of darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil. But a foolish samurai warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me"
Until I started watching your channel I wasn't nearly as interested in lock smithing or picking. Now I'm seriously considering taking up and learning such a valuable trade. Great job and well done 👍
I would say I'll just tie a rottweiler to my bicycle outside the store.... Lock picking Lawyer, click out of one, two is loose another biscuit for my new puppy Lucifer and a click on 3......
Think you'd ever be able to tour some lock manufacturers to see how something like that crazy keyway is cut? As a machinist I'm pretty interested to see how thats even done.
@@frutt5k EDM is a very slow process, I'd be shocked (eheheh) if they edm'd out every single core. Its more likely a specialized broaching operation I'm just having trouble imagining it.
I also used to be a machinist and love looking at tool marks to figure this stuff out. I don't think there's anything exotic about this one though, it's really just 2 normal keyways side by side. I'm fairly sure most keyways are broached, but I haven't seen it done. For the non-machinists here, broaching is a process where you would make a starter hole and then push or pull a long skinny tool through with teeth on it that progressively cut the shape. Each tooth gets closer to the final shape until the last tooth finishes it. Wire EDM could certainly make some wild keyways in exotic materials, but I'm not aware of it being done. It's extremely slow and expensive. It would be a top choice to make a one-off challenge lock though.
Mad skills man. I also like the previously suggested idea of you coming up with some sort of 1-10 rating scale on lock quality with categories like build quality, pick defense, brute force defense, price points and so forth. I watch most of your videos not so much from a locksmith point of view but on engineering and construction. I am wondering with all your success on picking how you might rate any particular design so someone like me would get a better understanding on how this industry is evolving and what designs are really better. Thank you sir.
When I was stationed in England, the dorms all had those DOM dimple locks you showed briefly. The day I arrived on station the dorm manager game me my key and said 'don't lose this key or it''ll cost ya over $200 dollars get another and is a pain in the ass to get done'. No one I knew ever lost their DOM key =)
Just a question because im curiouse, those Dorms? Are they single persons Dorms or for multiple Person? Because i think about it a bit cause LPL mention each new key make's all other key's obsolete! Which means, if those dorms are for more people than, lets say 3 person, the price is freaking high.
@@nachtelfirokese88 Initially they were for 2 people, then the war happened and had cleared out half of us .Command realized the rooms were for a single people during that period, so I came back to a single room for the remaining 6 months of station. The service tended to do things the most expensive way but to be honest, those custom aluminum arming wire pliers that prolly cost far too much to craft were god sent.
We used these types of locks 30 years ago on construction trailers. We had one locksmith who could re-key and make keys. He was the only one in the county who could work on these locks.
Next month release: Systemd will now handle key storage as well as your home's doors and car ignition. All of this can be managed by the handy lockctl command. Every access attempt will be registered into your binary log files.
DOM is somekind of a Standard Lock preducing Company in Germany. They build Budget Locks for about 10 - 15 € ( 11$ - 17$ ) and High Quality locks like the D-System for something abhot 140€ ( 174$ ). In Germany we don't have much Real Good Lock Companys there are Only ABUS, DOM, and a Mid Budged Company called Meister ( Master ), so almost all rental Houses are equiped with DOM or ABUS locks. Some are Good, most are bad because the Landlords oder Rental Companys don't wanna spent so much money. In fact it's normal that a Person / family that move in in a Rental House / apartment is switching the "build in" lock from the landlord with a own lock, because the landlord don't hand over all keys, they always keep a key so they can enter your apartment if there is some Pipe Breaking, Gas or Fire Alarm or any other emergency. If u have Private Landlords, sometimes it happens that the landlord enter your apartment even if u don't are at home, but thats not allowed. A landlord has to enroll an visit more than 24Hrs. before he stands in front of the door. In This case the DOM-D System isn't aviable in germany so maybe ist just an lock preduced for the oversea Market. In germany it's actual "State of the art" to use some Electronic Key systems ( Mobile Phone, RFID, Code, Bio-Scan ( Finger, Eye, Hand Veines ). Mostly all bigger companys ( BMW, AUDi, Ford, ) and some Hospitals, Super Markets and Gas-Stations are using Bio-Scan / RFID combinations or some Key / Bio Combination. After your Vids about destroying a ASUS Fodable Lock, and some other other "Made in Germany" locks, i decided to Use a Kryptonite Bike lock for my new Trek Roscoe 2021. Thx a lot for your nice Vids and protecting me for a bad Decision for a Abus Folding Lock. Because in germany the Insurence Com. and the Police say that a Bike Theft / Intruder uses only about 3 Minutes to Open a Window, a door or a bike lock with portable tools ( Screwdriver, crowbar, hammer, metal foils, saw's, and spanner ) no elektric grinder or hydraulic diven tools. Because they are loud and we don't have so much Space between Houses that u can use a loud tool. Most Intruders will try to open a non-Closed window, or a door that is just snap in the frame without locked right. i hope my English isn't that rusty ;) Greetings from germany
I've been subscribed and watching your videos for a while now, and I have to say that you sir, are truly a master of your craft! I'm new to lock picking myself, and your vids amaze me almost every time. Keep picking, and teaching!
The chainstore TK Maxx in the UK has all their roller shutter keyswitches retrofitted with these cylinders in place of the original GEBA, as all keyswitches are internally sited and nearly all shutters covering windows, often wondered why they bother improving the security of the switches and add the difficulty of sourcing/replacing restricted keys when most other stores have push buttons or rocker switches tucked away nicely out of sight and public access.
I wish you'd use one of those mics that pick up the sounds of acoustic guitars on the locks. That way we could hear all the clicks that you're sensing. 😁
Glad I retired from my Locksmith business five years ago! The amount of gear you need to support the plethora of different locks would mean a bigger shop!
Very nice and strange lock! Great picking LPLAWYER! I really enjoy these videos that showcase the strange keyways and actually picking them! I just got my first smiley keyway padlock and I am going to have to go through and search for the best way to tention it.
Since this is a German lock, I have to tell you, that you have put it upside down. It is weird at first if you see people using keys upside down. Would that actually make it harder at first to pick the lock when it is turned 180° to what you are used to? Does anyone know the reason why Europe and the USA put in locks in opposite directions?
The springs should be enough to make the process of picking or using the key the same when flipped. I'm not sure about a reason Europe would be different, but I've been taught to mount locks with the pins up, in order to keep potential debris (including scrapings from the key) out of the pins, along with dust and residue from weather. This would be moot with keyways that don't have vertical pins.
They don´t. They simply don´t care that much about the direction. If u move to a new home, u may have a lock that´s put the other way around, it has happened to me many times. And about using the key upside-down, well, they also don´t, they simply use the key the way it matches and opens the door (after using a new lock once, u get used to it for the next million of times). None is confused by an "upside--down"-lock. For a lockpicker, on the other side, I guess it makes a difference, I think most people are more comfortable picking downwards. ...
Wow. Now that's an ancient registration card! It's at least 28 years old, because it still has a four-digit postal code printed on it. Moreover, DOM belonged to Emhart only from 1982 to 1988. Since "Emhart" looks like a small sticker, the card is probably almost 40 years old. Where did you get it?
The teardrop design is pretty smart. It allows them to have a single set of slanted key pins and drivers. If you took a pin from one aide and installed it in the other side, because the receiving teardrops are orientated, the pins will always be oriented correctly, side inspecific.
Funny fun fact, ford did this with their over head cam 4.0 v6. They made 1 head for the engine that fits on left or right side. On one side the chain is in the front, on the other side the chain is in the back. Same with your pins tear drop design. 1 pin design works in both sides.
Got real excited seeing it was 13.5 minutes and thought it would take till the end of the video for him to pick 🤣🤣🤣🤣 slightly disappointed lol but it's fine.
It probably isn't that difficult to get that "teardrop" shape. They probably just use a broach. A very common way to make odd shaped holes or even just square holes and such. Or they might have a fixture with 10 broaches and do them all at once. They would start with round holes. The broach has cutting edges, and is tapered, such that you just force it through the hole and you end up with the cross section of the broach.
thanks for the video.... It did not seam like the "right" side did much. looked to me like most of the picking was on the left side pins. am i right? seems like the biggest feature is the shape. (Kind of hard to get a bump key)............Also it seems to me that i can pick a lock when i an sitting at my desk, but when its on my door it is hit and miss if i can pick it or not. ..........by the way could you show us what to do if we break a pick in a lock?
Lol @key cards. So far had 3 locks with key cards. Have never been asked for the card when I wanted new keys. Even got keys for one of the locks from a non licensed dealer.
Only thing I hate is that he doesn't give these locks a good thumbs up approval. Obviously it is a great lock that probably 99% of people would not be able to pick without seeing the key, practicing and researching it. And even with all that knowledge I bet people would fail based on how much skill is invovled.
As a french guy I find it really funny that someone named a lock System D - which is short for "Système Démerde" in french which refers to when you have to fix something with what you have on hand.
No matter how complex it follows the pin design and you can always pick those on their edges, hold tension, keep on going. Double cylinder will solve, one front, one rear.
Seems such a shame they went to so much trouble with the pins and keyway and key control but the lock body still seems to be susceptible to lock snapping. If it had a stronger midesection and a few anti snap features it would be a lot more intimidating.
I’m just getting into it , got my first cheap pick set coming . I have picked a couple cheap small locks with semi decent consistency. Stuck on a 60 MM padlock from ace. I’ll prolly do better with an actual tension bar and pick Using a wiper blade
Unless the pins are stronger than the cylinder and housing, that keyway seems like it makes forcing the lock _easier_ rather than harder; you can put in a much beefier bar to try to twist the cylinder.
So if you want to mess with someone who owns this lock: pick it and overset pins 1&3 so the balls pop out. It will be re-keyed without them knowing it if I understood the mechanic correctly.
Yes, that would be the case most likely but first you'd have to know exactly which pins you should overset (there might be differences between series, you have at least 5 holes) and be an ass on top of that.
Mr Locking picking lawyer. Thanks for sharing your insights, your expertise is much appreciated. I've just recently watched your seminar/conference video and like what you are doing. Because of you I have taken up lock picking too, just to see how easy it would be for a novice to open locks. Also, using your videos to make sure any lock that I buy, is a secure one. So thank you. As for some of videos, I've noticed you have put the lock upside down in your vise, which isn't the normal procedure of opening the lock. I wanted to try and open my front door lock, it didn't work. I then went on to watch some of your videos like this one to learn any tips and tricks, but the lock is upside down. Would it be possible to remake these videos so its easier to understand what is going on? I've also heard you speak about the pins being different with different carvings, what is the purpose of this? Why would that make a lock better or worse? I'm also trying to make a difference and want community driven public education on all matters. Check my about page for more info. I appreciate your time and thanks again for sharing. Mike, from England
Side fact: the key card is showing a 4 digit post code. The reunion with East Germany made it neccessary to introduce 5 digit post codes in 1993 to be able to adress all the new cities, so this lock is definitely older than 1993.
With construction keyed cylinders, does picking present a risk of disabling the lock? Since it's highly unlikely when picking to get all the wafers (or ball bearings) above or below the sheer line, you could make it so neither the original or new key worked?
This guy is a friggidiricking PRO. I bet there are not many that good pickers out there. So dont worry. We all would lose our mind picking this or most of the other locks. ^^
I had a thought. What if these lock companies introduced a design that would prevent picking when you tension? Like a little door that clamps down over the pins unless there is a full key inserted?
Those pins look bigger than 'normal'. Maybe I'm just trippin but it sure looks like it 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: so I wasn't seeing things. Those are definitely unique!