Me either, but he inspired me to try it and it's kind of a neat little hobby. I've been practicing the last few days and he makes it look so easy. But the first time I opened a padlock was a thrilling feeling lol
I like how you can hear the excitement in his voice when he tells the story of finding it and when he cracks it open. If he had a tail it would be wagging really fast right now.
3 minutes for LPL to pick while the lock was on a vise = Eternity for human beings when lock is installed on doors. This lock is one of the few locks who managed to enter the Pantheon of "LPL180+" grade locks.
Tbh though alot of illegal pickers would come along, pick the middle row and be confused as to why it hasn't opened yet due to the extra two rows he didn't know about
What I want to know is who fears an lpl video more, the guy designing master locks with weak cores or the guy designing the combination lock that can be decoded in seconds
@@christophermoore6110 They make tools that are for those side pins. Use those. It's probably not hard to figure out if you put some brain power to it. It's just a tad different.
Smeado I was thinking the same thing. Some security pins would make it difficult, but I think they'd have to be custom made. The holes are quite narrow.
Let's make it even more interesting... Add the same sort of 3-row pins at the 90, 180, and 270 degree points and they are all different from each other (i.e. the key can only go in one way). That would make it into a 52 pin lock... :)
Time to pick does not necessarily translate to difficulty to pick this would be one of those cases, the lock took so long because there's 13 damn pins in there that does not mean those pins are particularly good that just means there's a lot of them.
@@the_undead which equates to security, because the longer you're standing there picking the lock, the bigger chance someone finds you, no?.. so yeah, shut your mouth.
Impressive picking. Is there anything you cannot pick ? The key alone would stop 99% of people from even attempting it, -- into the naughty bucket it goes. You made this look as easy as a standard 5 pin lock, truly you did. Thanks for the entertainment. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.
you know what I was thinking that would be super interesting to add to your videos in general, is a score on pickability, and and score on overall security. for example on every lock you pick you could say I would give a score of 88 out of 100 for picking security and 75% on overall security, this way if people are shopping for a lock either for lock picking sport, or either just to secure their motorcycle, they could see what you think of their specific lock. I think it woudl increase your views too! let me know what you think!
I was thinking the same thing...A score card would be awesome. Age doesn't matter we score cybersecurity using qualitative formulas...it's actually rather easy and cybersecurity is much more dynamically moving then physical security.
After a few LPL videos, I'm thinking, instead of racing to make the 'unpickable lock', wouldn't it be more practically effective to make a 'dummy lock'? I mean, imagine installing a lock like the one in this video, but it's a dummy lock. The real key is a magnetic card or bluetooth passkey. Someone spends like 45 minutes picking this lock, unlocks the cylinder, but nothing happens. To fool a stalker further, the digital key can be in the form of a dummy key. Shaped like a key that you insert into the cylinder, but actually what unlocks it is the digital data inside the dummy key. A stalker thief will see you unlock it with a regular key, but pulls his/her hair out trying to pick it....
That's gonna be an interesting application, as long as it's durable enough and able to work securely, even without direct electricity from the house, cuz some places such as my country have power outages, so it would suck to be locked out, or have a lock's security failing in an event like that, but still an interesting concept to work from nonetheless.
Dudes if only locking companies spent 10 minutes reading the coments in LPL vids, they would make some sick security pices... I'm amazed by this comments Ingenuity.
Personally, I would do a varying strengths of magnets for a key's shape to either push, pull or push a pin further in design to allow turning in a core material like ones used with harddrives to protect the disk from the internal powerful magnetic. It would be horrible to figure out picking.
That was crazy! I thought for sure it might stump you. Waiting on my new picks and practice locks to get here. My sister bought me a book on lock picking in 1968 which shows how long I have been curious. Now I am 63 and decided to make it into a fun hobby. Back in '68, you just couldn't get what you needed like you can today. Thanks.
Soon as I realized the lock only needed 1 re-pick and the pins from the left dropped into the holes on the right I knew the pin stacks were staggered. Then u took it apart and YES. Look how much you’ve taught me! 🙏🏻 Never taken apart a lock in my life lol
Could be that you're watching a lot of learning or DIY videos. That or RU-vid just throws curve balls from time to time. That's how I usually find weird stuff.
I really like that they machined the core instead of casting it, they even took the time to resurface the floating areas of the core (the parts that don't really rub up against any other parts. I mean it could use a little spit and polish but they probably never thought that someone would want to open it up. I kind of want one of these for my collection. Scratch that, there aren't any on the English-speaking web and my Chinese isn't good enough to mess around the Chinese-speaking boards. I'm sure I'll be able to find a similar one at some point if I keep an eye out for one.
Ill be honest....i was a criminal in Baltimore for 20+ years. I never had interest in picking, or engineering of locks. Spent my time in jail & prison and changed my life. Just happened upon these videos by coincidence and im completely intrigued in how to pick and how these puzzles work. Its amazing. No criminal intentions these days but id love to learn these skills just to say i can do it...lol oh your locked out? Lemme get my lock pick set off my motorcycle n get you in...lol
Since it took you relatively long to pick it, I'd say it's good enough. Much better with some upgrades, like security pins and a cover so no one can see the key.
I find it amazing that a lock of that quality came from China. When I say quality I'm not referring to pick resistance, but rather the machining. Looks to have good tolerances, all stainless/brass, and is far more secure than your average lock made in the USA.
I guess that little ball bearing gives a nice satisfying click when the user returns the key to the original position. The extra-wide keyway may be convenient for more competent pickers, it may actually serve as a challenge for novices, who often only have to think about in-out and up-down manipulations of the pick, without thinking about rolling or yawing, as the keyway usually keeps you right in line.
I love that you don't have the click baits. So many others would have fat letters on the thumbnail saying 13 pins!!!! But you have it in brackets in the title.
@@joshz6975 Its clickbait if you put it in fat letters in the middle of the thumbnail trying to attract people. Stating it like a fact is how he stated it, in the brackets in the title.
I've been watching for just a few weeks and it's highly entertaining. I haven't seen one yet of you putting them locks back together. :) If I didn't already have too many hobbies...
The problem with most lock companies is that they are in business NOT for actual security but to SELL their locks! So if they can make a lock with 13 flipping pins, which most people would think of unpickable and high security, or advertise as such just to give ppl a false sense of security to sell cheap locks for a very high price....well that's what they do. Its all about the ILLUSION of security and safety. Big huge padlocks, fansy laser cut key, branding as unpickable, etc. All designed to fool the consumer into buying their product for high security. Its sad but by god it works and they damn well know it! Great vid btw! I one day hope to have your picking skills and start a career of my own! (And if not, have a skill set guaranteed to have a use! Lol)
I like you videos on all of the locks you pick and even the ones that don’t require much picking. Have you ever thought about designing a unique lock that would be a real challenge even to yourself? If you do I would probably buy a few.
Another great video but I sure wouldn't want to be the one to put it all back together lol. This lock does have some great potential in becoming a very nice challenge lock.
Basic key lock of the future maybe? It didn't exactly make it impossible to pick, but you sure wouldn't want to have to pick in any kind of a hurry, and if you didn't know what you were doing it would be practically impossible to pick. Also having the side rows means having to pick it twice in mid turn! Definitely a challenge to the uninitiated.
Mad skills as always. thank you for the time efficient knowledge my friend. You and BosBill are my favorites in regards to locksport. Keep your mind on the money and your money in your shoe. Thank you again.
Maybe you have done it before, but as someone who knows nothing about picking and bloody little about locks I would love to see a video explaining all the different pins function and styles.
It almost sounded like the lock was gunna win. Been watching a while just started searching the archives. I think this is the first time I’ve heard you sound even remotely confused.
6:07 "Now let's get a follower, and hopefully this doesn't give us too much trouble". 1000th time I hear LPL say this, and also the 1000th time it's followed by the core smoothly slipping out of the sleeve like it has 0 friction and accompanied by the most satisfactory of 'clicks'.
I was just watching your video about rekeying a lock and adding master disc that fall into holes so if someone uses the old key it gets stuck half turn in and was thinking "why not add another row so its harder to pick" i guess someone already invented my idea and it only took you a few extra seconds to repick the side row. Guess i wont quit my job and start making locks lol
i would have liked to see some raking! most of these locks with lots of pins seem to be vulnerable to raking since they're all standard pins and seem to be cheaply made. it doesn't take much imagination as a lock manufacturer to simply say "we'll add more pins!", because there's plenty of 5 and 6 pin locks that can give you a huge run for your money.
The goal here is not to open the lock, that is just the result. The enjoyment that this guy gets is from doing the difficult task. any idiot can brute force or break in. and destroying the lock means that you cant share this experience with anyone else or even try to do it again yourself to see if it was a fluke.
When physicist Richard Feynman was working on the Manhattan Project (first atomic bomb) in Los Alamos, he frequently liked to work late into the night. But he often needed access to colleague's top secret files after everyone had gone home - so he learned how to pick locks - in America's most secure, top secret facility. He rapidly mastered lock picking, and things were going fine until one day when a colleague returned unexpectedly and found his office and classified files had been accessed by someone. When that happened, Feynman had to confess to his "dastardly deeds" and get a set of keys like a normal person.
that is such a good story - can you provide a reference for it - Feynman was a true great and intellectual giant so this wouldn't surprise me at all - in fact, his diagram approach is almost a picking of the subatomic world
What I found interesting. Is LPL is defintely an expert, and he was doing this in a controlled environment with prior knowledge about the lock. And he still struggled. Imagine some guy with a basic pick set trying to pick this lock
It could be interesting to see the bumping of this lock. I suppose that may be easier than picking the pins one by one, considering equal springs and a lack of anti-bump features.
That is a beautiful looking core, tolerances didn't look so great, little bit waggly looking (might be the detent and ball though) overall a nice effort and against most people it would probably provide decent security against picking. As a side benefit as it would be just as awkward to pick closed you'd probably know someone had attacked your lock. Tricky gut too!
Amazing lock, and I would say that it just goes to show that the pin-tumbler has become an obsolete design -- however you also opened the Abus Granit disc detainer padlock -- so now I don't know what to think.
because of watching you i started to think about investing into a better lock i wish house i live in would be mine because i would invest into better door aswell
Thirteen pins in 3 rows makes for a difficult to pick lock. The time it took to pick this lock was over 3 minutes for the LockPicking Lawyer who is an expert in picking locks. In another video the LockPickingLawyer picked an ultra secure Kwikset Lock in 20 seconds. This Chinese lock would make a much better lock on a home than a Kwikset Lock.
I've got to say I really enjoyed seeing you have to work harder than usual to pick this lock...and also working harder than usual to gut the lock. I've got massive respect to the Chinese designer who came up with that and for the factory workers who assemble the locks. it is a shame the lock company did well with the design, but got a bit lazy with the pins. I bet that locksport people could repin one of those locks and make it put up a much bigger fight. Is there any chance you could stick three rakes together to see if this lock is vulnerable to that sort of attack or to some sort of three-way bump key exploit? One other thing. I'm left wondering how they can cut keys for this sort of lock, at a locksmith. Is there any chance you or your friend can locate a video of a Chinese locksmith showing us a blank and cutting a key from it?
The automated advert for this video was for 'Kinetica K4' door cylinder locks. Apparently 'british designed'. I'm doubtful of the quality of this, if the advert is anything to go by. (Not sure what some random bloke thumping a punch bag has to do with actual security). So it would be great for LPL to test one of them.
If the right pins almost have to fall into the left holes when opening/turning (even with the key) doesn't that require that the left and right bittings be symmetrical or that ONE right bitting be always higher?
Hi Harry, Very interesting cylinder, with I guess quite good key control. I don't think some of the Chinese "key cutters" with their road side stalls could cut some of these unusual keys - but then they are very innovative I guess. Well picked, thanks for showing .. and I'm glad you're putting it back together. Regards, Brian.
PLEASE Mr LPL, what affordable residencial pick resistant dead bolt do you think I should "take a look at" for my family home?👍 Thumbs up and subscribed!
What prevents the sidepins from turning? The flat side should always face to the center to let the key passing through. But, as the holes are round, the pins could turn.
Looks like you need a transparent "follower" with a hole to use it just for the core, so you can easily pick which pin to drop without having to cover all the other pins with your fingers.
Amazing job of picking, as usual. What is in the side chambers that keeps the flat sides of those pins aimed toward the center of the keyway, and not spinning around? In the top down view of the plug (core) starting at 12:17 it looks like there's something that would prevent the pins from turning, but it's hard to see what. At around 12:34 there seems to be something inside the side holes, but I can't figure out how they would be able to put something in those tiny holes that could reliably stop the pins from spinning around. Thinking that it's hard to drill D-shaped holes and that it should be something easy to make on an assembly line, I thought perhaps the manufacturer drilled the side holes first, then drilled a hole down the center and put a round rod in from the back through the length of the plug to partially block the side holes, and then drilled the holes for the central row of pins. What do you think?
This reminds me of the Schlage version with a double key row of pins. They had to be ordered from Schlage and for the life of me I can't remember the name.
Even thought it took him about 3 minutes to unlock which is above average for lpl that’s still fast considering you only have to take eyes off your lock for a few minutes and he’s in
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