6 Years Later: The simplest argument for Michael Jordan still being greater than Lebron James 

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Ah man those were the good days 😂 When SeatGeek and Hardwood Amino were being sponsored by every NBA RU-vidr

2018 was 6 years ago 💀

i appreciate that you watch this as a time capsule and not something to be picked apart. nice to watch you recognize how much growth and improvement you’ve made, without being harsh. keep up the great work legends

LeBron James being 2nd to Michael Jordan is NOT a stain on LeBron's legacy.

Can't believe it's been 10 years

It’s a stupid argument to begin with. It’s good barbershop talk, but that’s about it. People watch these videos to support their own views. No one is going to say, “I changed my mind when I saw this”. Very very very few people are open to change. If you are think it’s MJ, you will always think that. If it’s Lebron… you will always think that. Heck if you think it’s Kareem or any other great player you’ll always think that.

That video is what brought me to your channel and nba RU-vid as a whole. The memories

I personally feel that accolades get a little overrated in NBA debate because for someone like Jerry West if he had 4-5 rings he's easily top 7-8ish I think the best way to look at a player is to either combine the eye test and accolades or put accolades in it's own categories and also I tend to value player performance more than rings and so much and happen in the Finals outside of said players hands.

2011 should have ended the goat talks 😂

Old dom knows ball. Killer instinct gg🔥🔥🔥

Lebron vs Jordan is basically quantity vs quality

How can you say everyone is more skilled now versus the 90s with a straight face, knowing everyone travels?

*the best player you ever seen cant shoot free throws* but hes better than Mike and Kobe right make it make sense

Ngl 2018 Dom cooked

25:31 y dont the lebron fans ever factor in that wen doug collins coached MJ he basically gave him the ball to do wat he does playing pg. 88-89 stats. 32.5 ppg,8.0 rebounds,8.0ast. Lets not act like MJ hasnt done Lebron numbers b4 or the fact that he averaged 11assists in his first finals appearance against the Lakers making his teammates better.

Watch someone unlearn ball in 5 years crazy

that point about “if Bron won 6 rings, you could never take that away from Bron fans” lmaoo you right af ‘cause I’ll be beside myself wit that one 😂😂😂😂😂 you got that

Jordan just has moments that can never be overcome. I'm sorry.

He was bigger and stronger but he was not faster. I don't know where the narrative of Lebron being faster came from, but it is simply not true.

There is literally nothing on a per game basis that lebron was ever better at than jordan relative to his position other than assists.

Wow you need to learn basketball if you think today’s no defense trash teams are better than the 90s.

No matter who you think is better, both are great in their own way and should be respected 🙏 💯

I started watching nba RU-vid in grade 7. Probably like 12 or 13. Still watching dom to this day and I’m 20 in 2 weeks. This shit made me realize how much time has passed. Damn

MJ achieved more in less time than lebron without having to hop teams

The thing with skill is players today shoot better but they lost post skill the dribbling is atrocious when it come to carrying and they gave players the gather step so now u hey 3 steps when it should be a travel I feel like and 1 players could make it today

Mj did everything in less time with less help

Where has half a decade gone.

15:37 Not sure how that's correlated, considering it was AD who's 2nd in DPOY voting and 1st team all defense. Anyone who actually watch Lebron play post 2014 know that his defense definitely took a slip. He had a couple of highlights but is nowhere near as consistent. He wasn't even hustling back on defense DURING the playoffs in 2018. You know what's even funnier? 2021 Lakers had the league's 2nd best defense in opp pts/game and 1st in the league in def rating.. and here's the kicker, Lebron James missed 27 out of the 72 possible games that season, Anthony Davis missed 36 out of the 72 possible games that season. The squad carried that season with 2 of their superstar players regularly out with injury.

What does Lebron do that is better than Jordan? No footwork, no consistent reliable jump shot, average to below average free throw shooter, ball dominant and won't learn to play off ball or in a system, stat pads and farms assists which disrupts the natural flow of the offense, minimizes his teammates skills. Lebron is 4-6. That is a losing record. Even if I cut Lebron slack for 07' and 18', there are still 4 additional losses he must account for. People try to make excuses because he "had to play the Warriors". Well guess what? The Warriors could use the same argument that they "had to face Lebron James". The Warriors were not this unbeatable super team before Durant joined. They were a rather small team. Steph nor Klay are exceptionally tall or athletic. Draymond served as an undersized center for much of his career and is generally not an offensive threat. Recall that OKC had these mfs down 3-1 and could've sealed the deal in the 2016 WCF. Once Durant joined the Warriors I would argue that it actually brought parity. Lebron vs. KD, Kyrie vs. Steph, and JR/Shumpert vs. Klay. That series was not unwinnable. Kawhi had these Golden State mfs down by 20+ points in the 3rd quarter of game 1 in the the 2017 WCF damn near by himself before he got injured. Lebron never evolved his game to maximize his teammates' skills and is probably the greatest contributing factor as to why he is 4-6. You've gotten soft Dom that's all. Yes the game is more skilled in terms of great 3pt shooting and efficient scoring but the game has deteriorated in other ways hence when why the US hasn't had the best performances in international competitions in the past couple years. Even Doncic and other foreign players have said it's easier to score in the NBA than in Europe. The European game is more similar to the 90s game.

I remember when you dropped that video. Doesn’t feel like 6 years, but I’m glad your channel is still going strong. It’s interesting to see how thought processes change over the years, so I wouldn’t mind if you made more of these. I’m 100 % with you on not even bothering with goat debates anymore. They’re pointless & silly. Impossible to compare different eras

You can watch Ben Taylor's video about highest peaks and he touched on how Jordan use to gamble a lot on defense and yea I know it was a coaching scheme but still.

most videos that cover this debate show without a doubt MJ is the GOAT

Jason Terry is LeBron James Father

The 2011 finals is where he lost any chance for making that argument. How tf do you get owned by Jason Terry and can't backdown JJ Barea in the post lmao

10:20 also on Jordan being more technically sound, it’s also the era they played in. Kobes footwork was so phenomenal bc I think the refs gave more attention to that during games. Imagine someone trying to do a James Harden step back in the 90s. It’s getting called a travel every single time

Its crazy how much your voice has deepened

Bro posted a part 2 at the right time!

Damn time flies I remember when the video came out, now its 6 years

It's still not close 😂😂😂

So in 6 years you unlearned ball. Sad to see.

I just realized I’ve been watching Dom2k for six years because I remember when the video came out 🤦🏾‍♂️😂😂wow dude is Unc at this point

Dom at his wedding :pyjamas Dom at simplest argument for why jordan is greater than lebron reaction video:

As a Jordanstan, we excuse him a lot in 1995. But era-wise, I would imagine Jordan being a Giannis ethic with Kobe skills. His mentality is something that transcends era. No other player is like him. LeBron at best, will be a much more skilled and superior basketball IQ-equipped Scottie Pippen with leadership skill. Anybody who were alive during The Decision knew very well, how big the 2011 failure is.

The “bigger faster stronger” argument is annoying we can quantify bron being bigger… faster and stronger? How? Kobe used to put Bron in the post. I think that’s just an espn narrative

Damn the Draymond and Liangelo jokes are part of the reason why my young ass fell in love with Dom’s channel lol

Jordan better.

35 minute video got me smiling

Damn Dom became a casual after all these years smh 😂 Media propaganda worked on him smh 😂

Today we dealing with this "done with this done with the 90s" stuff

Man I remember watching the OG video with my brother years ago. Shit is crazy

LeBron hasn’t good defense in a while now. He either quits on defense or walks back on defense leaving his team 4 vs 5.

really been 8 years

5:48-5:54 *Season 21 as of 1/18/2024 12:12-12:26 The 2012-2013 NBA season

Season 21 which is even crazier!

Simplest answer is one guy has to tell you he’s the goat. The other guy everyone besides him for the most part tells you he is the goat 🤷‍♂️

You just subscribe to the fact Lebron was supposed to win a DPOY with 0 research? 😂😂😂😂😂

Does anyone know where the soundtrack in the intro is from? I’m 95 percent sure it’s from ratchet and clank I just can’t remember which one

For me it ultimately comes down to the fact MJ achieved way more in way less time. Its credit to LeBron's success that he's even in the discussion and this isn't a Wayne Gretzky is the Hockey Goat thing. Kareem is in the discussion too but wasn't even mentioned before this century despite having been retired for a decade at that point.

the man behind the soothing voice all these years

The goat debate really ended after 2011. Stacked his team vs dirk and got cooked by dirk and dirk was an one man army vs lebron stacked Miami team and he lebron lost in 6 games in the finals after having a 2-1 led

Dom is lowkey majestic

I reference this video when debating the goat daily

Wait did you just say defense is more complex now? What defense? The greatest player ever cannot stand around on D or Flop all over the court😂

I struggle to see how much more.skilldd todays players are when most of what they do as "Moves" would be considered traveling and carrying bsck then... I saw a video of Rod Strickland doing a euro 💶 Step and get called for Traveling none of that James Harden BS would be allowed and the Hesitant dribble move to fake ppl out was a travel... i remeber trying stuff like that and getting called for it and my hand was on TOP of the ball i just brought my off hand up to simulat a shot i didn't touch the ball but because the ball came up to high above my waist the called travel i even talked to them after the game and they agreed 👍 it proably wasnt but its so close they had to call it... bro if the past could bend the rules like they can now they would have becuase they were already doing it in street basketball...

I remember the OG video coming out, jesus christ what a trip Since then Lebron and Curry have won rings, Boston made a finals, the Nuggets got their first ring, Milwaukee won, Phoenix turned on the jets, the sixers have been a serious 2nd round exit contender as usual, Miami has been on the grind going to 2 finals, one as the 8th seed And that’s without the context of a global pandemic

Yo was Dom always that jacked? Good for him man

Damn dude. How do you come into more information over the years and end up being wrong? 😂

Are you ever gonna finish the "did he quit" series? I really messed with that one but I understand why you never finished it.

BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE RATCHET AND CLANK 3 THEMING MUSIC

Imo 2017-18 is pretty much the same as today except more 3s but it pretty much was fully into the swing of uptempo faster pace play of ball as the warriors effect was taking its strong hold but slowly its changing slowly but pretty much IMHO nothing changed but eventually it will

I think for the GOAT debate, especially when we have players so talented and accomplished, we have to look at the impact of the game. I think Jordan was key to growing the NBA to the overseas market, and the #23 is so iconic compared to everyone, even the #24.

Someone in the comments said it best. Certain people only watch videos like this for self validation, the ones that understand greatness from any man can’t truly be compared and only tiered(1a1b1c/2a2b etc.) Know how to judge off the love of the game instead of bias.

best formula for greatest all time players is awards + accolades + accomplishments + regular per game stats + advanced per game stats + career length + consistency + winning i have a list that compiles the leaders all of these and unsurprisingly jordan is #1 wilt is #2 but some numbers are close and depending on context could make lower players interchangeable so tier lists are better than numbered lists tbh

I’m the same age as Dom, so I’m not some old head and I’ve watched LeBron’s entire career. For me it comes down to one question, if your life literally depended on winning a championship in one season, which guy are you taking? One man to lead your team on offense and defense, superteam, not superteam, or single other allstar, for your life. Not who’s going to score more points or get more rebounds, etc. And for me, in this era or any other era, there’s no way in hell I’m taking anyone but Michael Jordan.

MJ in 13 years: 10 scoring titles 9 all defensive awards Defensive player of the year 200+ steals 100+ blocks twice (only player) Led league in steals 3 seasons 6-0 finals record 6 finals mvp 5 mvp 626 games (9 year streak) without losing 3 in a row Only player to get MVP, championship, Finals mvp, Scoring title, and All defensive award in a season. He also did it 4 times. Still leader in PER and win shares with VORP per game Leads in all time buzzer beater clutch shots in history while being 50% clutch shooter Only player to lead the top 10 lowest scoring supporting cast to titles Played against 50+win opponents in post season 73% of the time. All the while having only 1 all star. Lebron in 21 years 1 scoring title Most points scored ever 6 all defensive awards 0 defensive player of the year 4-6 finals record (losing record) 4 finals mvp 4 mvp leads in turnovers 2nd leader in most missed layups 2nd leader in most missed shots 20% clutch shooter Played against 50+ win opponents in post season 53% of the time All the while having all star supporting cast: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis.

i remember cashnasty reacting to this years back wtf time flies

24:35 and 34:37 - Would’ve loved to see you make a video on this. I feel like this is the primary argument that people use to deflate Jordan’s accomplishments. It sucks that you’re retiring.

Mike was faster

kobe bryant is the closest to michael jordan!!!!!

Bron has never had the stats to deserve a dpoy

I remember the video you revisited here. Was it really five years ago?🤨

I can't take the opinion of someone who still says Lebron was "bigger, faster, stronger" seriously. I don't know what happened to your perspective but you definitely had a much more realistic understanding of the game in your first video. Just seems like modern narratives are more important to you now. People like to downplay Jordan's era and competition in order to justify his dominance. It's extremely disingenuous to imply that Lebron had to face tougher defenses when there's no hand checking allowed now and he's playing in the easiest to score era in modern history. They publicly stated the reasons for changing the rules, they wanted more scoring and wanted the game to be easier for perimeter players. You can see scoring and shooting percentages across for all players immediately climbing up after the rule change. Defense was literally too strong in the 90's/early 2000's and we're now trying to say defenses weren't good back then lmao.

I think either have a good case, it’s just always this false pretense of being objective when its become how much of LeBron career matches jordan from Jordan fans, and not each guy’s unique case. It almost seems like multiple forms of gatekeeping and I don’t see it for almost any other conversation except Bron v Jordan (okay Bron v Kobe but cmon)

Being called Unc at 25 is insaaaaaane

Is this like a slight retraction video??

Comparing players from eras is pretty dumb. It's been my opinion for awhile now. It's so hard to compare players from the past from modern day because i think genuinely think if you were to take 2018 Harden or Steph and place them in 1995 they're going to be unstoppable. There were no players who played like them. Let alone could guard that level of skill. Take MJ and put him in 1974 and he's averaging 50ppg. There's no one stopping that

6 years later and MJ still the goat by a landslide not even remotely close. Gonna be real sad for Bron fans when the PED use comes out.

the Draymond roast was hilarious 6 years later because its just as relevant lol

If you have a different process on how awards are given out nowadays that would shake up a lot including this debate, wouldn't you say?

Idk man, to me every time I hear somebody trying to defend Lebum, all I hear is soooo many excuses, but at the end of the day, he WAS one of the most amazing players ever, but the reality is very simple, He's a much bigger loser than winner, for every amazing stat he has, for every great achievement he has, he has an equally huge choke or bad thing, 4 rings? 6 loses with huge chokes, most points ever? Most turn overs, most missed shots, most playoff loses, etc. Yes he is amazing and what he has done in his career can't be taken lightly at all and yes he WAS amazing, but the reality is that for all the good there is equal or more bad. MJs career was not perfect, but you said it so well, there's not a single time where you can say MJ choked SO hard...

Yeah as time has went on accolades as a whole start feeling a little hollow because you start looking through the fallacy of some of the things, like voter fatigue and preconceived notions.

“B Saul’s” is Hilarious

Maturing is realizing that goat debates accomplish nothing 😂

And with the players being better by default that mean all the players today should be better than mj I never understood that how can u not say that you would have to say mj would be average due to the skill level and every great before today

Fun fact, Terry Cummings outplayed Michael Jordan in a postseason series. I guess you can say LeBron and MJ got owned by Terry’s 😂

Why if is simple does it need to be 35 min+?

Tony Parker thinking he should’ve been 1st team all nba is crazy

Dom sounds like the Bron fanboy talking points have gotten to him. This dude has literally been allowed to travel and “bulldoze” aka commit offensive fouls for the vast majority of his points. He’s a genuine fraud before even considering the PED use.