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Hello mister. Thank you so much for your dedication. I just fire for the first time my new HDP 50 and i love It! I start to watch your videos and other airgun defence channels to make a good choice and after wash this video i decided to buy the HDP 50. I now you aré a byrna guy rigth now (and i wish i could be one to) but rigth now this Is what can i afford. Any way, i whant to tune my gun to give it some extra power and versatility and, of curse, im gonna practice a lot. Thanks again, sir.
Hey Scott. I’ve been saying it on my channel and on my Facebook Page. Great video and your 100% correct. I’m even producing new Detents now for it. Great job
I’m in England and have a HDR 50 and a HDB 68.I preferred the revolver over the pistol as I can use homemade slugs in a mold I have not just round balls.It has the valve block removed a shorter valve pin and steel barrel and aluminium magazine drum.It puts out 19 joules with a steel rubber ball and 27 joules with steel rubber balls with barrel extension put on.
You not worried about the old bill pall that’s way over the uk limit…. I was looking at purchasing the hds 16 joules but apparently it’s classed as a pistol in uk so 7.5 joules limit legally even though it’s a sawn off.
Why the horrible peak power for both? Did you remove the chamber block is that on both is that what you mean by restictor. Devastater are undersized you'd get better power from larger ammo as far as hdp50 ammo I assume same I'm not sure I've never used those rounds I do know hd* have have a pretty good size bore over all and . I agree though hdp50 is my everything too. What was modded exactly on both? What temperature?
Great test. All relevant information but i think to increase the validity of accuracy and power it should be done from a resting position and both markers using the same ammo. Grouping does tell have half the story and honestly you gave the Hdr the best chance using shaped Devastors. One thing to note about accuracy is revolvers notoriously cause the shooter to pull due to the effort required to rotate the drum. Keep up the good work.
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@@GertTown when i first had a battle between the right out the box HDP.50 and the HDR.50 , i did a head to head exhaustive comprehensive detailed shoot off between the two . i used a variety of ammo that was equally suited for both markers from 17 grain rubberballs to 22 grain riot hard nylon balls to 43 rubber/steel mixed balls to 133 grain steel balls to 177 grain lead balls . my test was completely fair . in the end , my conclusion , the HDP.50 pistol beat the HDR.50 revolver in all departments . to get accurate results ,you must use the same ammo , same distance , same shooting style . difference makes all the difference in the world , its why in sports like boxing , we have weight classes in professional fights , would it be fair to let a welterweight fighter fight a heavyweight fighter ? would it be fair to race an 4 cylinder Toyota against a Corvette in their original factory state ? at 20 paces , is it fair to only have a knife against some packing a real gun in an old west type ,fight for your life fast draw shootout , i could go on and on and on there are an endless amounts of scenarios ,too many to list , i would say no , my money is on the one with the real gun lol . soooooooooooooooooooo , yeah , when doing test , use the same ammo , same type of air propulsion , same distance and shooting style etc., etc. etc. this is what separates the mad scientist to the common ordinary everyday "tinkerers" ! ...
Forget about so called foot/pounds of energy (mass x velocity x velocity = kinetic energy). What affects the depth of penetration and crushed tissues is momentum = mass x velocity. And you can use the same steel core balls in the HDR. I know that because I have and you can have a second cylinder / magazine. I do prefer the sights on the HDP
the ammo from the pistol also fits the revolver, the revolver might be bigger but is more versatile. The revolver has mods availeble for power up to 30 joule and like the name states: Home Defence Revolver/pistol so they only need to be accurat to about 5/6meters... and again you got more ammo options for the revolver you can even make your own ammo with slugmakers. So give me the HDR50 any day of the week. ow price difference is often because 1 version is 7.5 joule and a other 11 joule... if you are going to mod them just buy the cheaper HDR50
Both HDP50 and HDR50/TR50 can become very powerful with HPA and extended barrel. (above 100+ joules). But extremely important advantage for HDR50/TR50 is that magazines can be swapped quickly on HDR50/TR50. and second, you can fire any projectile, including real lead bullets from HDR50/TR50.
I also prefer the HDP over the HDR, it's not just more compact and slim, the valve system is also larger wich makes it much better and reliable, also less prone to farting with restrictor removed. Trigger pull is eons better, and the internal mechanish is safer. I have several jams on the HDR where the cilinder don't cycle fully, specially if you try precision shooting pulling the trigger slowly... yeah... good luck precision shooting anything with those... the thing is, the HDR then enters a quantic unstability state, it may shoot, in may not... but you can't operate it, the only thing you can do, is to force rotate the cilinder, then the thing will shoot regardless if you want it or not... This is just unacceptable, I can only think that, if that happens to someone with no undestanding on firearms safety, it may be disastrous. Sadly, the HDP lacks the option to charge anything but round balls, to correct that, I am creating a 3d printed mod to make a revolver conversion out of a HDP, but with longer chambers, cause there is no way to stabilize in flight the short ammo that hdr cilinder can take, I will update the status in my secondary channel. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F24KfBun4Zg.html
HDP50 is actually $100 now, I see no links. Also for some reason Amazon wont sell to in CA ? The TR50 can easily be modded same for more joules & round clips are faster to swap too. Though it is comically large.
Hi Byrna, Awesome video about the HDP50! Got one for my girlfriend, cuz she's little Scared of real.guns. I notice in your video. You said that you dye the orange black So it looks like a real gun. If you point at somebody trying to hurt you. They Can you tell it's not a real gun? Please send me to the video where you do that? Where you dye it black, please.
energy= mass x (speed)² So yes, speed will affect the joules power more than the mass of the projectile. The aluminium balls are only 2.8 grams or so, very hard and light. I suggest you try them out.
I have the TR50 7,5 Joules with the upgraded HomeDefence-24 valve kit/block removed.Reason why the TR50 is much better for Home Defense? I have 7 Ammo cylinders with Devastator Ammo.I can reload much faster than the HDP50. I get 12 shots with one Co2 cylinder. I keep it ready to shoot. The 2 negative parts about the HDP50 is you can't reload as fast as the TR50 and 2) if you leave it ready to shoot/full of Ammo after a time the compressed spring becomes weaker.
@@airgunnerreviews7888 I have the FSC .68 Cal. also with a Lapco .686 rifled barrel using Grimburg ammo tuned to 40 joules.With 4 12 gram Co2 Mags.Problem:For long storage/ready to shoot the springs in the mags become weaker being loaded/compressed-Only Fix is to have spare mags and once a week switch the ammo to the other Mags. Why I keep the TR50 loaded/ready to shoot and the FSC as my secondary backup.
@@danielquesnel130 Awesome tips! I ordered a Grimburg FSC about a week ago and hoping it comes in soon! As per your advice I’m going to get two more magazines, thank you!!!
The umarex t4e HDR TR50 11 joules Revolver can shoot also shoot the rubber steal core bullets because your target would have been all kill shots for the revolver anyway and the devastators are Awesome bullets plus if you are shooter an intruder my magazine would have one devastator then one pepper ball and the intruder is going to have a very bad day !!!!!!!!
Hello Sir It looks like You comparing appels an bananas. The HDR 50 can use round rubberballs w/without ironpowder, to. Ant it can use the pointy ammo too. And The revolver has less parts and seals that can break and need maintenance. And the revolver is simler to clean. So all in all a better one for homedefence i think. Kind regards
The new "MUB.50" is Now better than the HDP out the box. It takes the best elements of the Lancer Scorpion defence.50 and the HDP design and improves on both of them.
You are correct reloading is quicker with the Hdr50 but interesting enough the pvc /steel projectiles I was shooting in the Hdp50 are too small to fit in the hdr.
Great video but I defer, I got both. HDR50 is way more reliable and shot Dshaped slugs not just balls, no detent to fail and no jams. HDP is very powerful and easy to work on but its not as reliable. Can fail when most needed. Get Deez bullets for the HDR50 way better than Devs at a fraction of the price. The East Coast Less Lethal HDP detent is highly reccomended. 👍
That’s all good information thank you! Your not the first to say the HDP can have jamming problems and that is concerning, I just replaced the valve pin is the HDP and getting 20 joules and I’m about to do the same with the HDR. I have heard a lot about the Deez bullets and I’m going to be ordering soon. Thanks again!
@@airgunnerreviews7888 thanks . but can't seem to buy this gun on Amazon or Ebay because I live in nj , I am 57 years old , I can buy marijuana , if I wanted to , witch I don't . I am not 16 anymore . but I can't buy a less lethal gun . what's wrong with this picture . nj sucks . last one that leaves nj , please turn out the lights .
Good news! Go to utahairguns.com they will ship it to you! I know because I live in upstate NY and we are just as bad off! That is where I purchased mine and I checked their in stock! Good Luck!
@@airgunnerreviews7888 I will check it out . but I could of gotten one on eBay for 67 bucks . I am on a fixed income , so I will see what it cost on the link that you gave me . thanks .
Very true! The TR50 has much better ammo choices and would be great for home defense but is kind of large to conceal carry and in many states you can only legally carry kinetic projectiles.
@airgunnerreviews7888 yeah that's true. Do you know of any air pistols similar to the HDP but that are able to fire various types of ammo by any chance?
The tr50 shoots pointy things ... I got the 68... it shoots any and everything that fits :) Buuuut yes this 1 is MUCH better looking :/ Anyway that wembly NEMESAS 22. looks fun also And is pellets... can u get any type of pellets for this 1 or just balls?
I bought my TR50 (7.5 Joule version) for $90. Both HDP50 and HDR50/TR50 can become very powerful with HPA and extended barrel. (above 100+ joules). But extremely important advantage for HDR50/TR50 is that magazines can be swapped quickly on HDR50/TR50. and second, you can fire any projectile, including real lead bullets from HDR50/TR50. HDR50/TR50 can become a viable survival weapon, not just less lethal air gun.
Some mods were done at the time of this video but I have since performed a few more so I will be updating the video shortly! If I break a window I will post it so you guys can have a good laugh lol! 😂
Although there are certainly reasons to like one marker more than the other, some of your reasons seem quite dubious. It appears you have not removed the valve block from your hdr50 as you have with the HDP50. If you had, it would have shown higher numbers. Your assumption that you would only use devastators in the hdr50 is bogus. There are many other cheaper and better options. Also you seem to think you cannot use round ammo in the hdr50 but you can indeed. I suggest you remove the valve block from your HDR50 and do a rematch using round ammo in both markers.
I completly Took My HDR apart, Installed a 6mm pin, 30+ Joule Upgrade Kit inside valve with a large hole and Removed the Valve restrictor. Now its hitting 540 FPS hitiing 40 J for 5 shots..I only use 50 cal Killer spikes..After I saw how it penetraited a solid steel Cooking pot and the spikes punctured a Hole in the Bottom Steel plate..I started Carry it for self defnese..Guy Came at me in a roadrage incident 2 months ago with a Bat and I lit him up..He bled eveywhere , once in the arn and one in his leg..Killer spikes had him seriously bleeding . Cops were shocked....Was Clear self defense no firearm laws Broken...
So this TR50 was originally the 7 joules version and I upgraded with an aftermarket valve system and was done before anyone thought of removing the valve block! To go back and remove it now is a lot of work! Removing the valve block in the HDP50 was a much easier modification! I have tried the same pvc/steal round balls that I used in the HDP50 in the TR50 and did not perform as well as the devastator rounds both in power and accuracy and that is why I used them. You are correct this was not an apples to apples video but the point I was trying to make is the HDP50 is 1/2 the price and is more compact but I admit I fell short in some aspects of the video. Anyhow thanks for commenting and watching!
@@airgunnerreviews7888 Its Easy to remove the valve Block...use a very narrow small Flathead and press it at an angle against the inside in the front barrel and tap it out with a hammer until it breaks thru..when you take the back pressure cap off you will see it has two tiny little weld spots on each side to keep the block in place..I have done this on 5 of these .The 7 Joules Verson has a different style vavle block...The 7 is a round one and the 11 joules is a U shaped one..
@@airgunballistics1779 is it that longer barrel? Thats just a swap out ..very easy..Have you not opened it before? If you want power open the chamber and remove the valve block.The 11 version is different than the 7 j...
