75m - Smash's Broken Mistake 

Wrecking Crew is close, though

A man of culture I see

It has no OSHA violations since it's a Japanese game _;)_

-fire -jacks that get thrown across the stage -a large ape

@@DrPumpkinz I could not categorize that BUT I KNOW HE SHOULDN'T'VE BEEN THERE!

Also the Donkey Kong and Lady spirit fight takes place here

Wily hard

Nah man, you can cheese Pauline. Dr wily is the real bitch here

I fucking wish it was 75 millimeters

@@shell_of_myself Dr.Wily is pertty easy with lucas

THIS. There's a difference between interacting with chaos, and being at its whim.

Exactly. There's just not enough solid ground. Any of the other 3 layouts would've been so much better.

That and Rumble falls. DK can’t catch a break

That's what I loved about it

This, Rumble Falls and Hanenbow were only chosen when you had lost time and time again and chose violence.

I don’t think it deserves one

"Need" has nothing to do with it, this is personal

@@MrMockRock lmao

@@MrMockRock Yeah, it helped to more accurately describe the issues I've had with this stage for ages that I haven't quite been able to put into words.

@@MrMockRock yep. Great video by the way!

I really dont get why they didnt choose the first stage of the game with the slopes, kinda like Morray towers, and keep the hazards to just the first stage hazards like the barrels and fire. Sure, it probably would still be bad, but it probably wouldn't be the worst stage in ultimate

The 1st Donkey Kong stage would have probably been better if anything. If all the floors were treated as semi solid platforms it would be easier to navigate.

Yeah, maybe a rather big 25m with like just two-three long kinda tilted platforms and breakable barrels, like let the players fight on the stage without hazards first, and then at some time arcade DK appears and begins throwing barrels at a rather slow pace, barrels you can either break by attacking them or getting hit by them, or jump over with some cute sound, and the barrels themselves doing minor damage and knockback just enough so you can recover and move away from the other incoming barrels or opponents, then DK stops and goes back, and repeat cycle for as long as the match continues. And if you want more chaos, just add the lil flame dude moving from platform to platform and there ya go, while the ladders should just be aesthetic

or they could just have a donkey kong country tropical freeze instead, im completely sure that it would result in a much more interesting part of the series to represent. but they dont need to rush themselves, giving DK fans representation in the form of three versions of jungle hyjinx and this abomination is totally based fanservice bro!!!

@@MSCDonkeyKong The representation is for Nintendo's arcade history more than Donkey Kong in general.

And what happens if you also don't like Moray Towers? 😶

@@MrMockRock I'm not a huge fan of Moray Towers either but I'd definitely take it over the current 75m stage. While it's not great, it's still at least playable in a casual environment and could be tailored towards that playerbase much like the Great Cave Offensive. Another stage it could draw from is Wrecking Crew, especially in regards to casual hazards and large set-pieces that don't take away from the fights themselves.

@@MrMockRock Also, great work on the video. Visuals are stunning as always, the information was properly researched and the points were well presented. Looking forward to future content.

I personally would have gone with the second level (50 M). The pies make for cool hazards, the platforms are spaced enough that you aren't overlapping with multiple platforms constantly, while still keeping the multi-tiered theme of Donkey Kong.

@@MrMockRock This man is about to make a vid of moray towers too lmao

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never a day goes by without MockRock mentioning pits terrible hitboxes

I was thinking the same thing

I'm a DP main and... yeah

You should see Mewtwo nair, it's just as bad

Seriously just give us the bridge, it could even fall down when you hit the axe

Bizarre choice, I just don't get it.

@@simeonellinger2064 Nostalgia

Because the stages in Smash represent the series, not the characters. Unless we have the next Mario game take the entirety of its premise around Bowser's Castle, it's likely not going to be the case.

@@Tobunari Then why is Rainbow Cruise a stage?

PAC-Maze is a crime against humanity & I will NEVER get over it, NEVER!!! Honestly the same goes for Rainbow Road & Yoshi's Woolly World. All 3 of these stages being cut was just pure laziness when stages like 75m & Mushroomy Kingdom were fucking REMADE for Ultimate's HD. Disgusting.

Oh yeah, because Pokefloats and Yoshi's Wooly World are too bad for the stage and we shouldn't retire Mushroomy Kingdom, one of the ugliest stages in Smash, and 75 m, a literal dumpster fire.

F for Orbital Gate Assualt

@@CoolMintMC In the interest of fairness, let’s not call it laziness when they clearly DID put work in. We just fundamentally dislike the area it was put into.

@@CoolMintMC As much as I wanted Pac-Maze I knew it wouldn't be in because 3DS

The benefit of having the option to choose which stages shows up in random. You never removed stages from the random stage selection?

@@Liggliluff only 2 good stages in brawl was battlefield and smashville

@Swap Mario ! play brawl fd if ya wanna get eaten by the stage recovering below ledge that pissed me off so badly i just stopped playing on it

75m and Hanenbow were two of like 4 maps that me and my brother would always disable

I actually loved OGA, was sad to see it left out in lieu of several awful stages.

I hope we get that, the 3DS pac man stage, and rainbow road as DLC stages.

WHAT?!😨

@@Galaxia_EXI don't. Having things that were available in previous entries of the series be sold as dlc is terrible. Smash 4 doing it with Lucas, Roy, and Mewtwo was bad, and it would be bad if ultimate did it too

@@XillyWonka I don’t see why not. They can’t always bring back all the characters every time. Ultimate is an exception. Unless you are insane enough to think the next game is gonna have all of ultimate’s characters plus the DLC’s again, it might be necessary if some don’t make it in the base roster.

I mean you got both

He literally starts with the platforms and their poor layout

I got both idk what video you saw

Imagine 100m. That would have made for a great stage.

@@ausername1761 Hell, I'd have settled for 25m, just because it's the one everybody knows. Imagine being able to break the barrels for random items as well.

Exactly sometimes I’m trying to do a attack and then I accidentally grab the ledge and it kills my momentum and my attack

Honestly there's really no good option for an input to tie this into besides the power or home button so that you can stop looking at that monstrosity of a stage

@@isaacnuketon and then after that happens to me I get combo'd by litterally everyone.

They should be decoration, they get in the way a lot, regardless if they have a custom input to climb them, you’ll end up accidentally attaching to them and messing you up, and all characters can easily reach a decently high platform on their own anyways, they’re just annoying, or at least treat them as hazards so they can be disabled, AND let us choose which hazards stay or leave, some are cool, and some just suck, like in Mega Man’s stage where the many different moving platforms are very cool, but the Yellow Devil is a nuisance that keeps respawning no matter how many times me and my friends kill the hecking blob!

Yeah thats interesting but is at a point where it feels more like a mario party minigame than a smash stage :/

@@small_fry1013 the magicant stage has the chicken man and it works

​@@squirtleislife1312the chicken man sucks though

In 75m the floor is not made out of floor

@@CardiacYew-xt5zq LOL

Hahahahaha, ok, that was funny.

@@dylanwatts4564 I'm glad that someone laughs at my terrible jokes

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes.

yes we are, I remember talking about the E3 announcement with my school friends during recess if that says anything, I'm 26 now

Brawl definitely is nostalgic to me due to it being my first Smash game that I owned.

@@justinnzamora5366 that was my first smash bros game too my new one is the one on the switch

There are teens born after Brawl now

just some dude Yeah it released 13 years ago now

I wish more battlefield and omega forms kept lots of elements from the main stage for decoration, instead of stripping most away and make it just one big floating platform in the middle of a void (with smol custom platforms for battlefield that do make it look prettier ngl), some look sooo damn empty in omega, and some others keep most (if not all) interesting elements way back in the background

The things is that this stage is so bad (as laid out in this video) that the Omega version of this platform should be the default and 75m normal should be for chaos mode and punishment challenges.

Gimme something from Donkey Kong 94, like the cool kids :P

The other 3 (though 100M would be kinda boring) would really work as stages imo

@@alicev1500 25m is the most legendary part of the original Donkey Kong game. I have no fucking clue why 75m was chosen in Brawl in the first damn place, never mind Ultimate.

75m was chosen because the others are cluttered with ceilings

The great eternal struggle of stage selection: i pull the pointer towards 75m while my friend pulls it toward battlefield

Yeah, that's kinda it, though that philosophy will only go so far. Breath of the Wild didnt need to be a zelda game, and pretty much wasnt, yet it probably wouldn't have sold half as well if it was just called Breath of the Wild instead of TLoZ BOTW

I was shocked to find out that the majority of people didn’t like nuts and bolts because I really enjoyed it as a kid. That should be taken with a grain of salt though because it’s the only Banjo game I played

@@KingTruffles I played the original Banjo Kazooie first and have 100%ed Kazooie, Tooie and Nuts and Bolts, and I'm not afraid to say that it's my favourite Banjo game. All the arguments about it being supposedly bad are so brain dead and nitpicky

Yeah, you can not like the game, that's fine, the game is not for everyone.... The idea that it belongs in the same conversation as the CDI games is downright insulting though. My personal opinion is that Nuts and Bolts is like Kingdom Hearts gummi ship builder got an actual """physics""" engine attached to it. """Physics""" can be incredibly fun, messing around with stuff that has no business working but does anyway or having things fail in unexpected ways, but can also be very frustrating because of that very unpredictability. It's 100% not a game for everyone, and frankly I'd need to replay it to say whether or not the game is "good" or not, but it's definitely not objectively terrible like the CDI games are.

@@KingTruffles I think a lot of people who say nuts & bolts is bad probably haven't played it. It got a lot of great reviews when it first came out

Nah, Pac Land is... Um... Troubled, but I feel the way it learns into the chaos without crushing your abikity to navugate makes it more fun in a casual sense. Ive been to parties and enjoyed Pac Land... Cant say the same about 75m.

PacLand is an awesome Party Stage. I can't tell yoy the amount of times i had a ton of fun on it, specially the second half of it, just yelling at someone who stepped on you mid-jump in the middle of a pit. So fun!

Oh my gosh. That sounds amazing. I have to try that.

it's one of those stages that peak at 8 players, however since it isn't large it can be enjoyed just as well with all other player counts. easily my preferred way to pac-land is to simply make the only song that can play be the Pac-Mania remix, makes the stage 10x better.

He's not blessed with this knowledge

Bad Morshu!!

Pacland also has the honor of being the absolute ugliest stage in Omega/Battlefield form

It's a fun stage tho

@@willycheez7218 Good for you if you manage to have fun on it really. But I'm gonna have to strongly disagree there myself lol.

@@WilfredCthulu considering the lack of platforming in ultimate, i will accept stages like pac land

@@Underworlder5 yeah, variety is cool!

Temple was absolutely the best stage in Melee, and arguably the best designed stage in the series I had a similar relationship with Samus in Melee. Never played Metroid at that time, but her moveset really attracted me to her

I remember as a kid, Link and Young Link were the ones I used to win, but for whatever reason, I really, REALLY tried to make Zelda work, which obviously never led me anywhere since Melee Zelda just wasn't built very well (plus kid me didn't know how to use Sheik's moveset). Fast-forward to Ultimate, and I absolutely love Zelda due to her moves, well, actually working, and respect Link and Young Link, and I'm equally able to win with all three. One thing that's remained consistent through my time with both games is that Temple is one of the best stages, but just like with 75m being one of the worst, that's a "water is wet" kind of statement. Lol

I mained Link all through Smash 4 and don't really play Zelda. I also had Sheik and Ganondorf secondaries.

It also opened options as designers for levels, forcing the player to use a ladder to climb a wall can invoke a position of risk or exposure that a more open climb might mitigate, either being spotted while climbing, or by forcing the player to arrive above(or below) at a specific point

Any reputation is good reputation

As long as they sponsor creators I'm not going to complain

I think they realize people don't care anymore. It used to be that taking a Raid sponsorship was a one-way ticket to mass dislikes; nowadays, it's not nearly as big of a deal. Besides, a lot of people will skip any sponsored segment anyway, and enough people are tired of Squarespace/SkillShare/CuriousityStream/Raycon that any single sponsor isn't going to cause as much of an outrage by itself. Hell, Raid is almost nostalgic.

@@jordanthejq12 Yeah, Raid has spent so long as an object of mockery that it's almost fun and quaint to see it still going at it. And if it's gonna be giving money to youtubers as part of that, why not watch it happen, right?

@@Chad_Eldridge There are also FAR WORSE than Raid. Two examples: Honey (a phishing scam thinly disguised as a digital coupon finder); Ubisoft (a truly evil corporation with a culture of sexual assault stretching back decades covered up by upper management that manages to stand out in an industry that includes EA, Activision, and Tencent).

I think nuts and bolts is a good game (not amazing but good) but a bad banjo y kazooi

I personally find it just a bit mediocre, but I can certainly agree that it wouldn't have been hated as much if it wasn't in a franchise that had nothing to do with cars as a main series title. I get corporate meddling can lead to some really stupid ideas, but that one was so dumb you'd think they were deliberately trying to kill off the franchise.

It's a good Banjo Kazooie spinoff game, but it really needed to come out alongside or just after a real Banjo Kazooie game.

What if the floor constantly disappeared and reappeared, similar to DK and his springs.

When it comes to the CDi Zeldas, you really don't need to have played them. I watched a friend stream both of them and even just watching was painful. Not quite the worst games I've ever seen, but they're definitely the fastest I've seen a game go from start to terrible. We hit "OH GOD WHY" territory in about three seconds.

(I didn't know he brought up something new; I hear Raid, I skip 90 seconds xD)

Ayyy you know the lore

Yet they consider themselves "Smashing Experts"

Same. I always thought they'd bring that back, using amiibo functionality in a Skylanders Swap Force kind of way, where we could build our robos and scan them in. The closest we got to this functionality was Starlink: Battle for Atlas, where wings and weapons can be physically swapped out on your ship. Sadly, that game was a commercial flop. I won't get into why, but now it's set a poor precedent, and we'll now likely never get a collectible figure-building Custom Robo.

I think sometimes people forget smash is also a party game lol. I never had an issue with 75m because I don’t play it competitively. I’ll just pick one of the many other stages for that. But man is it fun when you’re just goofing off with friends and fam!

I don't think the game that added Final Smashes and random tripping needed to add a map for random bullshit. Brawl did that well enough already on other stages (and items on high), and the same thing carries over to other games in the series.

My brother was 6-7 when Nuts and Bolts came out and he LOVED that game but he had never played a Banjo game, you're entirely correct its a decent game but a very terrible Banjo game

a) There'll be some retrospective/revisiting content after DLC is wrapped up. b) Patrons/RU-vid members/Twitch subs get videos a day early.

b) And for channels without releasing the video in advance; the creator might make and pin a comment as the video is scheduled, making it older than the video.

MockRock has fallen to the Raid plague... sad

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@@amorphousamalgamation For mobile users like myself (my computer is broken), when I hear Raid, I skip 90 seconds, since they require a 90 seconds segment.

It's not a bug it's a feature

@@Liggliluff so its essentially the less fun youtuber equivilent of an anime op?

Nut just that, but Pac-Land and especially The Great Cave Offensive.

Yep. :/

i’m saying making just battlefield but ladders. ooh, maybe ladders offstage, moving left and right while attached to something. infinitely more fun than 75m

Having a good place to stand on is the most important part of a stage. 90% of issues with stages ultimately boils down to not having unreliable or unbalanced safe and dangerous spots. Stage hazards and walk offs make certain spots far more dangerous. Travelling and transforming stages forces these spots to constantly be on the move. Asymmetrical stages shift the safe spot to one side of the stage, closer to one of the blast zones, making it an uncomfortable position to be in.

Knew being Canadian would come in handy one of these days! Figured it'd be because I needed free health care after a bad injury or something like that, but this works too.

Okay I'm Canadian and I know it's "metres" but I still sometimes call it "75 em". I really don't know why cause if I was in like a Math class I'd say "75 metres" because "75 em" sounds dumb. Maybe I'm just prone to say "75 em" because that's what I'm used to when referring to specifically the stage.

I know m means meters but will still say the literal title

not gonna lie, i probably _would_ pronounce a stage called "10ft" as "10 eff-tee" ... or, well, not "eff-tee," but _some_ sort of horrible mash up of an f and a t sound that my brain makes when reading ft as ft instead of feet. we _are_ talking about a proper noun, after all, and it's not _called_ "75 meters." that's obviously what it stands for, sure, but we're not talking about something that's 75 meters long or higher ( even if the latter is what the stage is named after ), but ... 75m think it can be related to stuff like "atm machine," even if atm isn't a proper noun. sure, atm _stands_ for automatic teller machine ... but it isn't automatic teller machine, it's atm. it's become its own word independent of its origins, and so if someone ends up associating it with the general purpose of an atm and not specifically a _machine_ that performs it, they're probably gonna end up calling 'em atm machines because ... they're machines you can use as an atm. similarly, consider people who pronounce lmao as, well, le-mao honestly, i think assuming that people _don't_ know m is pronounced meters showcases your own lack of linguistical knowledge more than anything. it usually doesn't take much more than just passive digging into the field to realize that any formal rules of a language tend to go to fuck before long. or medium. or even short ... which i think i just demonstrated on several levels with that, without even trying

Another one caught by raid how sad

Raid like the game or the bug spray

they got him boys

@SomeBol We all wish it was the bug spray

Not MockRock too...

Feedback would be appreciated, as well as new ideas