75m - Smash's Broken Mistake 

It has the most OSHA violations of any stage, so you know it must be bad

I don't think this infamous stage needs a 20 minute video, but I'm glad to have it anyway.

Even when I was a kid playing Brawl, and I adored items and all the craziness of non-competitive play: I HATED this stage. You don't "play" on 75m, you are simply at its mercy...

Also isn’t just “great” that the Pauline spirit battle (arguably the hardest spirit battle in ultimate) is also in 75 mm

As a pit main, thanks for always bringing up the nair-fair hitboxes, it needs to be known

This is something that is easy to miss about adaptation: Staying true to the source is important(I prefer for everything to be tuned towards faithfulness first) but you have to understand why those elements *worked* in the source. Simply dropping something from a completely different context into a new medium is going to require some adjustments and tweaking in order to make it function. I feel like there's a lot of ways they could have represented this stage that stayed true to the original without it being a nightmare to play on...

1:04 "I really liked 75m as a kid. I was a stupid kid." Whoever you are, you just made me laugh the hardest I've laughed all day.

The best option would have been to make a stage based on the first level, it's more iconic and with some tweaking it could have worked very similarly to that of Moray Towers.

I still can’t believe this stage is in smash ultimate, but great stages like pokefloats aren’t Edit: I just want to say, I don’t think the smash team is lazy. They put so much content into this game and it is so fun. I have put a couple thousand hours into and enjoyed every moment. But I would have liked to see a couple stages get added that did not ( such as pokefloats).Also I would have liked stages like pac-land and 75m to be removed in this game, but it’s whatever. With that said, I am not mad they did the things they did, the game is still great the way it is.

Can't believe 75m got in for three games, but Bowser's Castle can't be a stage in _one._

They brought this back instead of Orbital Gate Assault, a stage that took a year to make.

What I expected: A thorough explanation on how badly the platforms are layed out in context of smash What actually happened: *L A D D E R S* (And a thorough explanations on how badly the platforms are layed out in the context of smash)

My biggest issue with the stage is literally the first thing he mentions Those goddamn ladders Seriously in the most air focused Smash game, why did the developers make it so you auto grab them if you so much as tap up & down in any sort of way, I swear this was Sakurai’s revenge for being overworked

I remember playing it on brawl and I always hated when it got chosen on random

"75m is a bad stage." "The floor is made out of floor."

This is one of my least favorite stages. the real kicker is that any other Donkey Kong stage would have made it decent

I’d argue Pac Land is worse for actually fighting on, but it can still be super fun what my friends would do is set handicap to 300% for everyone, 5 stocks, set items to high and make them bomb ombs only then have everyone pick DDD and force them to hold down jet hammer the entire game while trying to navigate the stage. It’s great

At least the Omega & Battlefield versions of the stage look nice. That's more than can be said for some stages.

I honestly feel like any of the other Donkey Kong layouts would've worked better for Smash than 75m.

Imagine if the stage was designed somewhat closer to the classic DK but with more hazards around, and whoever got to the top first would get control over DK. It could make for a fun run to the top, chaotic stage that still has enough solid ground to have regular fights

1:12 "All the way back in Brawl," damn, I'm getting old aren't I?

The best part of this stage is that it sometimes kills the pauline spirit in that annoying fight. Though it also contributes to how awful that fight is so maybe not really a positive.

Honestly I still liked banjo and kazooie nuts and bolts even though it’s different. I found it super fun to make your creations but I can see why people are disappointed in it. It does not need to be a banjo game. But it’s still fun.

I agree that this stage is a catastrophe, but sometimes, when you're drinking with your mates, that's exactly what you want. I've chosen this stage to the groans of agony from everyone in the room, followed by 7 minutes of absolutely unbearable clusterfuck goodness. Its just too bad to even be upset about. A masterpiece.

0:22 What do you mean? The presence of Morshu and the King objectively makes them the best Zelda game ever created by humans A gift bestowed to us all from paradise, I'd say. Morshu's Paradise.

I couldn’t imagine Smash Bros without 75m, though I really want to.

The small chuckle just before the ad combined with Raid showing up made laugh more than I think you intended

13:29 I blinked and thought Villager just turned into Ganondorf. That IS some “awkward behavior.”

I think it would be cool if Mario was completing the stage while we battle and once he reaches the end it transitions to the next one

I think the walkoffs were fine in Brawl since at least it created large sections that you can fight on. I mean, they're still exploitable, but it's a casual stage. At least it created somewhere for you to fight on, or items to spawn on. But most of the stage was still awful

Honestly I still think Pacland might be my choice for worst stage in the series. It's just as awful to play on 75m if not even more so, you can't tell what's going on a lot, and it's so ugly and hurts the eyes. I always couldn't stand it then it getting in over Pacmaze in Ultimate just added even further it.

yeah i’ve made a stage that’s just ladders and you fight using aerials on them. it’s not as fun as i imagined and some chracters like villager, g&w, or belmonts just reach so many ladders at once

I’d imagine they did want to use the NES version as a basis considering they were selling it digitally at the time, the Masterpiece for it even starts at 75m to tie in with the stage

I actually enjoy 75m, but I admit that a big part of why I like it is that my friends hate it and hearing the groans whenever I pick it and their frustration from trying to play on it is endlessly entertaining to me

Great Cave Offensive is a fantastic stage with only pow-blocks, x-bombs, bob-ombs, and pitfalls on high spawn rate with 100% handicap for 8 player smash.

When i was a kid i owned Melee. I remember that i only played link and only played temple. I dunno why because up until only a few months ago, i never played nor had any interest in the Zelda games.

Brawl players: "oh god, this stage is a nightmare! How can this get any worse!?" Pauline's disembodied spirit: _"~~it's time to jump up in the air~~"_

In regards to ladders in games, I think they were handed well in the older assassin's creed games. In a game where climbing was a necessity a ladder was often a smart and fast choice. It got you to a rooftop faster than scaling the wall and it was easy. The trade off was that it just as simple for enemies. They could get up on the roof as fast as you or even beat you to the top to corner you if you were climbing up the wall instead.

I feel like a remake of 25m but with less barrels would've worked well. Moray Towers pretty much does this and it's pretty fun.

Nuts and Bolts is unironically one of my favorite games of all time. Sure it isn’t as good as the original games but to me it’s still really fun. I think if there were other traditional banjo games that came out or if it wasn’t banjo and Kazooie in the game it would be received a lot better.

The discussion between recreation and inspired levels and your example of Temple made me think of the two Zelda stages that are pretty close recreations of the original layouts: Great Bay and Gerudo Valley. They have some modification to accomodate for Smash Gameplay (the turtle, the elements in the rift for Gerudo) but they still feel like directly lifted from the games. I personally love them for that feel, but I don't think I consider them good smash stages even with the minor tweeks... Great Bay I clearly don't find it very fun (though swimable water make it better) and Gerudo I haven't played on it enough to say for sure.

“Oh yeah, I never played these games so I will repeat the same opinion others have” At least you were honest.

I’m not going to criticize Mockrock, but Raid is really still trying? I mean, it’s understandable because he’s a good salesman, but I’d think Raid knows how bad of a reputation it’s got Edit: grammar

Actually, I heard of someone playing a mod they added a floor to the stage and he said it was way more playable.

You probably have the best raid ad i have seen yet since you actually told something we didn’t know about the game. Keep up the great content dude!

3:06 to skip the Raid sponsorship

Random fact: Cranky Kong has been a stage hazard since Super Smash Bros. Brawl

In my expereince (10+ years of brining smash to hangouts), the biggest struggle new players have in smash is recovery. the second they're falling off, they're already dead. they forget they can jump or use their recovery moves, etc. This... stage (abominaton) is absolutly terrible for newcomers who can't recover.

Glad to have this introspective !! sort of wish they would take 25m and do an approach to it similar to the wrecking crew stage, with just a small portion that infinetely goes up and shifts.

13:38 Uh don't know if you knew or not but the reason Ganondorf didn't snap the ledge at the end of that sequence was because of the ledge grab limit, which is 6 so when he tried to grab a 7th time it didn't work. Just for if anyone who was confused or no one noticed Have a nice day :)

I can't imagine 75m took as many resources to makeas any other stage i the game, I think of its simplicity its just a no brainer to add from the devs pov

Frankly, I'd rather play 75m than Palutena's Temple.

banger vid as always, also the intro was just great

I dunno, I like 75m. You’re making valid points for the whole competitive/practical aspect of smash and all, but sometimes it’s fun to have a match filled with random bullshit and hurtboxes everywhere at once

I’m amazed by how few people realize you can shorthop by pressing two jump buttons at the same time instead of having to tap it

I will offer this purpose of the stage: The simple act of navigating it is a challenge. This makes it a functional stage in single player content where that fact shifts from a hinderance on the experience to its focus. The most notable example is the Pauline Spirit fight, one of the most memorable in the game for combining a time limit, a hard to kill enemy running away from you, and a hard hitting enemy who its in your best interest to avoid with the difficulties of navigating 75m. Is that enough to justify its conclusion in the main stage list? No, that should be reserved for stages that are enjoyable or at least functional for the primary game mode of multiplayer battles. But I'd still like to see it continue on in the ranks of single player mode stages alongside the Metal Mario stage, the Galeem and Darkon fight arenas, and others.

75m: How to Make An Iconic Tribute Completely Wrong

Another fix that I thought of was turning the platforms on the far right into levels of stairs or slopes, it's not a perfect fit but at least the ledges would be bearable

RU-vidr: This video was sponsored by *RA-* me: **furiously tapping right side of screen**

This is the first of your videos I've watched, and that channel intro is pretty tight ngl

They already made a good 25m stage, it’s called Moray Towers.

Duuuuuude the Custom Robo music takes me back. Haven't played that game in forever.

Always nice to see your uploads, hope for personal life is going well with everything going on, thanks for entertaining us!

I have always loved your intros, but omg this is the best one yet

Day 1 of asking for MockRock to do the year 2 version of 'A Retrospective of EVERY Smash Ultimate Fighter' Also, why is MockRock's pinned comment from 11 hours ago when the video was uploaded like 5 minutes ago

“The smashing per second” Did anyone else find that line hilarious?

Finally, another smash video! Good to have you back mock

can't believe you made it through an entire section on ladders without going for the low hanging MGS3 fruit

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but that intro is still SO SICK

Nuts & Bolts is a fine enough Lego game, but a horrible Banjo & Kazooie game

Sometimes is just watch your entire video to see your intro, but this time the entire ride was awesome

Great vid, one thing tho: every sentence ends with homies voice sounding like he just woke up, ran a marathon and is struggling to breathe- I’m high asf and it’s freaking me out

0:28 Not related but I really don't understand the problems with the library. It's definitely not the only level to recycle assets that make you think you're in the same place as last time, and it's not the hardest level either. It's just a little long but so are the ice areas before and after.

I kind of preferred the old intro. It felt more unique than this one. Still love your theme, but the changed animation feels weaker to me. Just in case you're taking audience feedback.

Yesss been waiting for another stage video!

I was just rewatching your Temple video and I was wondering when you were going to make this one!

I remember when this was like my favourite stage in 2015 cause it's donkey Kong nothing else

I've been forced to play on this map probably hundreds of times. I thought all these years I would just be suffering in silence each time. This video is cathartic. I'm not alone. P.S. Why on god's green earth did they put this in Ultimate? Of all stages to choose

Considering Moray Towers is in the game (which is one of the least favorite stages in Splatoon's legacy, if you're not a sniper player), I'm surprised they didn't swap 75m for a more classic design.

I missed last video, but _dang_ that new intro is clean.

I'd argue that regardless of your opinion on how the stage itself changed, 75m was way better in Brawl, because the game's floatiness mitigated the unnavigable terrain.

Everyone: 75M is the worst smash stage The Great Cave Offensive: :/

This is my favourite stage to choose simply because of everyone's reaction when I pick it. Before the match starts I've already won.

My favorite is accidentally starting to climb the ladder and eating shit.

And they brought this stage back TWICE

I feel like a ton of problems this stage has would be solved if they just scaled it up

One crucial point that I think is worth bringing up in how 75m fails is simply how easy it is for new players to die for no reason. All those gaps between thin platforms are an annoyance for people that know how to play but are almost tailor-made for inexperienced players to slip through and lose a stock, it turns even basic navigation and recovery into a potentially lethal scenario. It's the same problem that haunts stages like Gaur Plains and to a lesser extent Palutena's Temple, they all have large sections of the stage that basically exist solely to test a skill that most new players are very weak in, which then leads to them either dying randomly or alternatively trying to find a safe spot to camp rather than actively get into the fight.

mockrock, stage discussion is such an overlooked part of smash bros and im glad to see you discussing it. level design is just as important in a platform fighter as, well, it would be in a platformer game. its also important to show locations in a crossover, as the creative locations of many of the games is a large part of the appeal for many people. xenoblade chronicles 2 has such amazing, open ended, creative and beautiful locations with amazing art direction but that ENTIRE ASPECT of the game doesn't get translated when the only part of the location we see is a fucking turtle swimming around in a sea of farts. "OH BUT HE *TELLS* YOU ABOUT THE COOL LOCATIONS IN THE BACKGROUND! THIS REALLY MAKES ME WANT TO GET INVESTED IN XENOBLADE! I *LOVE* TELLING INSTEAD OF SHOWING!" but its not just xenoblade or other rpgs. platformer games can also place a big part of their focus and appeal on the environments the characters inhabit. take donkey kong country, for example. its such an atmospheric game, with amazing music and graphics that really allow the environments to come to life. donkey kong country tropical freeze specifically has gorgeous and creative levels. theres a world where you explore a fruit factory, theres a level where you explore a burning savannah. you go inside of a sawmill for one level. the creative locations of DKC:TF are what makes that game special to me how does super smash bros show the appeal of DKC:TF's beautiful and creative locations? THREE VERSIONS OF JUNGLE HYJINX, AND 75M. SUPER "CHARACTERS ARE THE ONLY PART OF A VIDEO GAME OR STORY THAT MATTERS" ULTIMATE. DEAR GOD, THIS STAGE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOING FOR IT

i just think having a reliable place to stand is nice. on 75m you have to be on weird places and there’s ladders that you accidentally climb. i could do better in stage builder, even if i don’t know the tricks to help tethers

They could've just used the assets from the original stage and built one that makes sense from scratch.

Dear Mark rock, I will say this video as well made although there are some critical flaws. One of these flowers can be seen in your description of ladders ladders do you have benefits that of which being heightened vertical movement capabilities and in many cases, necessary progression to a new environment. What makes 75 m so bad is that in this stage, there are Nearly always better options to take when maneuvering then the ladders P. S I was using voice To text to write this so if it sounds a bit clunky if that’s why

Mockrock is the only channel on which I don't skip the sponsor segments.

For me, "Items Off" 75m is pretty mediocre. With Items On, though, it jumps to being among the best of the Mega Stages. Its singular open space in combination with the abundance of different platform heights makes 75m a great place to snipe opponents with Items, Item tosses, and Final Smashes. The Trouble Bugs are fun for Hothead and Blast Box shenanigans. Despite 75m not having any trouble spots for recovering offstage, the Super Leaf and Rocket Belt are still nice, too. Their mobility buffs lessen the onstage annoyances of the ladders and unusual jumps between platforms.

Daily reminder that Popeye would be a more worthy "OG Donkey Kong" representative for Smash than 75m

I always appreciate Mockrock's content. As everyone has already said, 75m is one horrendously designed stage. You think you can do a stage analysis on the beauty of Fountain of Dreams?

I kinda popped off when I saw that intro for the first time in a while. It's good to be back.

There’s some kinda bug 1:49-3:08. I’d recommend skipping it

(1:00) You're one of the few people who actually knows how to pronounce the name of the stage. A lot of people say "75 em", but it is actually "75 metres". This is because the metric symbols aren't pronounced by each letter, so "km" is not pronounced "kay-em", but "kilometre". It's similar to how you don't say "10 eff-tee", or "10 apostrophe" but "10 feet".

8:06 "Ladders in video games usually kinda suck" NIER FANS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU

Yooooo using the custom robo OST hit me with a nostalgia I didn't know I had