I discovered your channel a while ago, and I really appreciate the amount of data you have gathered and the thoroughness of your testing. I would however like to suggest a few improvements to the testing methodology if I may. For case airflow testing, the configurations that makes the most sense would be 3 in the front, 1 in the back (tested in an actual case of course). The problem with testing fans blowing air through a cardboard cutout is that it tells us only how they perform in perfect conditions, but in real world operation, conditions are never perfect. Testing a single fan also doesn't show resonance issues that arise with many (if not most) non-LCP fans when 2+ are used. In my humble opinion, benchmarks on an air cooler are somewhat pointless, because people who buy an air cooler rarely replace their fans, and if they do, well... it's not the smartest thing, because the fins are optimized for the stock fans, and it's also not the most cost-effective thing to do. I think testing fans on a 360 and 280 radiator makes the most sense for cooler benchmarks. Having seen a lot of bad methodologies (elsewhere), I would also need to point out that cooler tests make sense only in a sealed case, not on an open bench or with the side panel off... I understand all the budget concerns of the channel, as I have been following it for a while. I am merely suggesting what I think would be ideal (at some point in the future).
basically ya. thats v3 of my testing method. budget is the problem. unfortunaely I will get there when i do. until then Janky is what it is. haha. In terms of air coolers though. You only notice meaningful differences mainly in noise with the fan in pull or in the middle. Thats where the fin stack tuning actually happens. A fan in front is a fan in front. I like my case sim test but I also want to add somthing similar to STS reviews case test and add a cone shaped one for the CFM test. I actually have a video on my channel about what I want my v3 to be. Ive since added or modified what my plans are slightly but overall similar.
The Arctic P12 Max is very weak according to my unscientific hand-feel and paper-fluttering tests. At the same or near-same RPM, the Cooler Master Mobius High Performance OC blows more air, harder, and a further distancer...and the Iceberg Thermal Icegale Xtra, Phanteks T30, and Super Flower Megacool 120 (and possibly the Hyte THICC FP120 - I haven't owned/tested one) completely and utterly obliterate not only the P12 Max but the Mobius HP OC as well. I did testing in free air (least important), pull-intake (Cooler Master HAF 932 side-panel), and on a Hardware Labs GTR radiator which is about 150-200 % the air-restrictiveness of the HW Labs GTX due to a much different design despite both being "16 FPI on paper" . Unlike the GTX, the GTR has a double fin design, different fin thickness, different fin height, louvered fins, and more coolant tubes all within the same size radiator core which effectively makes it something like 24-32 FPI. In all 3 environments (free air, case intake, rad), the P12 Max was easily, easily the weakest in all 3 categories (amount of air, distance, how hard it hits) with both tests "objects" (hand, paper).
Thanks for another video. It would be helpful if you could title the charts. Eg. At 12:43, there are 5 columns of charts, none of the 5 have titles so the viewer doesn't really know what they're looking at.
The Green Text bars are the titles, but ya not really easy to read. Left to Right: Best Overall (Avg score), Cooler Noise normalized, Cooler 100%< Then case Simulation test distances
We should treat this video as having the most up-to-date information I take it? I was re-watching the Toughfan 12 Turbo review again and noticed that the A12x25 was performing worse than the Toughfan 12 Turbo in the cooler tests in that video, but now, as of this video, the relative positions have been reversed.
yes. this is the most up to date. with all fans tested at this time. I have a whole line up of videos whose data should be up to day but missing more recent fans.
I think the Phanteks T30, Iceberg Thermal Icegale Xtra 120, Super Flower Megacool 120, and Hyte THICC FP120 (and possibly others) are missing in the last two charts (chart 4/5 and 5/5) at 12:43.
Thicc is ther Rank 5 at 100% ooler (Cooler) text is cut off. T30 is ranked 5 as well, Megacool 1, There is a lot of admittedly hard to read text on the raw data screen. Its everything that was used for the graphs just missing the graphs.
@@computer-tech-more I just checked again. Those fans are not in the 4th and 5th charts. I see those fans on the 3rd chart but not 4th and 5th. Also, what are the 4th and 5th charts? They just say "Noise Normalized" and "100%". Of what though? Air speed? CFM? Air pressure? Free air? Through cooler? Through rad? Also, I think you should separate 140 and 120 mm results but that's just personal opinion.
@@Spinelli__ Its because they didnt place in the top 30 in case airflow. So Table 1 is best overall taking an average of all scores. Table2 is bes noise normalized (if they placed in the top 27), Table 3 is best at 100% pwm (if they ranked in the top 26) and tables 4 and 5 are case airflow (if they ranked in the top 30 for that test) so each table is just ranking in that test. and fans that didnt place in that test will not be shown.
@@computer-tech-more Still doesn't make sense. At 100% fan speed, those fans I mentioned shouldcertainly, easily, be in the top 30. Think about what you're saying. You have a P12 non-Max and a Pure Wings 3 120 in table 5 yet no T30, Megacool 120, Icegale Xtra 120? So a P12 non-Max and a Pure Wings 3 120 give better/more case airflow at 100% fan speeds than T30, Megacool 120, Icegale Xtra 120, etc.? Come on, that's Ludacris, man.
@@Spinelli__ Even at high RPM's some fans have such bad airflow patterns that they score low in the case test. If you rewatch the Thicc video it actually does fairly badly in the case test. the Thicc Ranked 112th overall from all fans at 100%. The T30 ranked 27 at 100%, MegaCool 20th at 100%, IceGale Exta 3rd, I then made the decision to just use the same fans from Noise Normalized for the 100% ranking, because most of the time case fans should be running at low RPM's. and to simplify the review. Since most people dont want their PC to sound like a hurricane haha.
Hi, i have a Lian li 011 XL with a 4090fe (vertical) and 30c ambient temps, what fans to you suggest as case fans using filters (so i think they will need to have good static preassure), i will buy 7 or them.
well how crazy are you looking. Like the SuperFLower mega cool 120's go to like 3000 RPM. kind of more reasonable in the noise department are the P28's. and kind of regular fans so sub 2000 ill need to look at my charts again
@@Deng1ong so its kind of up to you. Noctua is known for its reliable fans. I'm not as sure about lian li but you will get better performance with the P28. if it was me I would go noctua A12x25
Hello can you please tell me is there a big difference between TOUGHFAN 14 PRO and TOUGHFAN 14 in noise. It seems that the pro version is better but it is not available in white which is a must Thanks in advance
@@computer-tech-more Thanks man, that helps me a lot. I asked Toughfan support and they aren't planning on making a white version of the Pro variant. Do you know a model that has similar performance to TOUGHFAN 14 but in white and quiet. Thanks in advance ♥️👍
@@pepijarak3393 I actually dont keep track of color of the fans. sorry. You would need to see what brands have white and see if i have a review or just ask if I reviewed a specific fan. I have a huge backlog of videos coming out of fans already tested.
@@computer-tech-more Hello, I would be very happy if you gave me a recommendation for a 14mm PC fan which is very quiet and can generate a high static pressure. No RGB. My top pick after your videos is the TOUGHFAN 14 PRO. Thank you in advance and for all the work you do ❤
@@computer-tech-more do you think it’s better than TOUGHFAN 14 Pro ( they cost more) it’s like $30. So I’m trying to choose the best one. I want it to be quiet
@@musclecargarage2875 So I dont think the T30 is the best 120 any more. For the ultra high end i think its the Superflower megacool 120. From what i have tested As for P14max vs Toughfan14 pro. Its are you cooling a Rad or cooler vs cooling the case. The Toughfan is a slightly better case fan while the P14max is a better cooler fan, especially due to its higher RPM.
Good video. Could the p12max fdb scale better in the last listo if it cost only 9.99usd? Can you give me the price you used to list the p12 White Max fdb?
@@Fin1nishingMove The T30 only ranks well (4th) at 100% pwm, its also one of the noisier 3000 rpm fans. and then very noisy. Noise normalized it doesn't do well. for my noise normalized value.
@@computer-tech-more I suspect it's an issue with the testing methodology. I have seen other reviews where the T30 doesn't do that well in noise-normalized tests when in the open. Being behind a PC case or a radiator seems to block some of its undesired noise frequencies, and I think that's where this fan really shines.
at the end of the video I have a simple table Ranked Best to worse. 5 tables Left to right: best overall, Best Noise Normalized Cooler, Best Max Perforamnce cool, Best Noise Normlaized Case fan, Best Max speed case fan
I cant imagine that t30 the best fan in the aio coolers arent event in your top 20 Something is wrong here man U need to retest T30 is in another level
Man i mean at the end of the vedieo when u chosed the best value in each categorie T30 doesnt exist in any Although its the best cooler fans in the world That test is about the best performance not the cheapest U have separate one for cheap fans But when chosimg the best fan u shouldnt put money above performance@@computer-tech-more
@@Adel-sj4ue everyone's build is different. And every budget is different. I largely buy Noctua fans. Terrible value but good longevity. So I'm just here to present the data that I gathered and let you all choose what fits your needs best.
