8000 SUBSCRIBER SPECIAL: FE7 Lyn Analysis 

He said I can be a good unit in FE7 I can die happy

Mekkah defending Eliwood. This pleases me.

Everyone: "Lyn is a bad unit!" Wil: *sweating nervously in the background*

The entire point of this video was to showcase how awesome Dorcas is, and to mention and talk about Dorcas.

Honestly you should make a series out of this Mekkah. Give it a name, similar to Pitfalls, but make it about characters that the community think are good, but sucks, or the other way around, characters that people think suck, but are good. This is easily your best type of content.

She seems like a character that's supposed to shine in her own chapters, then fall off once Eliwood enters the picture. Almost like she's passing the baton off.

AKA "Mekkah destroys your Waifus Part 2".

You're one of my favorite youtubers Mekkah. I consider myself an alright player; I never cared about turncounts and such but strategy wise I was sound. You're among the people that caused me to favor movement, use mounted units, fliers and to promote earlier; it was one of the best changes I added to how I play. I still commit pitfalls especially when it comes to conserving good weapons including prf weapons though I should use them when needed. Thanks for everything and congrats on the subs; you deserve them. You work hard on your videos and you're really knowledgeable. Thanks for sharing yet being cool about it. People should play how they want but it's nice to know how to do things more efficiently. Spectacular. You sincerely amaze me Mekkah.

Moral of the story Weapon durability is important

I'll be as frank as possible here. As a Lyn fan who has never played HHM (got only as far as EHM), I'm kinda hurt at how things become disadvantageous for her. I got into Lyn not because boobs, legs or anything, but because of her animations. Thay scripted crit was love at first sight for me and Fire Emblem in general, even if she wasn't my first exposure to this series. She also has performed amazingly on each playthrough. And she has been super satisfying because of all the crits I got. She made me cry a little when I felt her, I breathed a sigh of relief as I saw I could see her again. She has been improving constantly, another big point being her promotion, when I just.... I just like speedy, ninja- like animations and she fit the bill, okay! She is still growing on me as time goes on. This video has convinced me of one thing. I will replay Fire Emblem 7 and do that darned HHM. And yes, I will use Lyn, no arena abuse or anything. Just... Anybody... Please do not hurt me... But I may give her some stat boosting items. Mainly a body ring. But I'll try to limit myself in that regard. Great video, congrats on the goal and wish me RNG luck.

I like Lyn as much as the next guy, but I won't deny her problems as a unit.

Holy shit, he actually did it

so what your saying is beating off isnt a stat in fe7

Team Lowen. What a damn cool character. Even with very few words. Reliable.

This was super cool to watch! I love learning more about Fire Emblem. :)

ive only recently discovered playing fire emblem with well thought out strategies in mind and man is it addicting to learn about. thanks for making these vids

I'd like to think that Mekkah's purpose for being is to inform people that Lyn is a bad unit. 10/10 keep it up

Turns out the best way to gain subscribers is showing all the scrubs how wrong they are

Man, I had never realized how incredibly rng blessed I had been with my Lyn in my original run when she got defense every single level until it hit cap.

Yeah she sucks. not useful unless you can grind the shit out of her in her campaign. but that's no reason not to love/use her anyways. she's a great character with great supports, cool animations and a baller character design. if you like them use them. mekkah knows his shit for sure, but don't let efficiency and tier lists deter you from using your favorite units. congrats on 8k, mekkah.

I think Lyn's two big troubles are...: - Swordmaster Stats, but no [Cri+15] bonus - Sol Katti's weight of 14 again Lyn's constitution of 6 (-8AS)

Please do more videos like this one! This analysis was really well done and detailed, and I'd love to see your extended thoughts on Eliwood and Hector, just to name a few ^^

Really great in depth video. I'd love to see one on Roy soon.

Great content man! Love some good Fire Emblem videos. Would love for you to make this into a series.

Amelia is a great unit! She helped you gain a shitload of publicity on your channel.

To be frank with you, I like Lyn. She makes for a decent wallpaper.

2:05 I was just waiting for Lyn to miss. You always have hilarious background gameplay

I really appreciate how objective you try to be. If Lyn could do more you'd adore her.

Lyn's thighs save lives.

Congrats Mekkah!

FE7 was my first game and I really loved Lyn, her critical animation is just too cool.

Finally another video from Mekkah I can watch without thracia Spoilers. Love these videos!

I never bothered to look at Sol Katti's stats. Good gravy what a stupid weapon.

Lyn just embodies allot of the dissapointment I have with cool characters being sword locked and/or bow locked. And in certain games, these issues were addressed but I don't think any of them have been sticking. Fe9/10 had those early 1-2 range swords that, if I'm remembering correctly, only really fell off because axes became super accurate and thus made swords very obsolete in most cases. In Fe2/Echoes bows has 1-3 range giving them a superior range advantage at the cost of less durable stats while still not completely crippling the classes that use them by having no chance to retaliate on enemy phase.

I was really feeling that CLASSIC blunder music at the end there ;]

Congrats on the subscriber milestone!

moust important thing is to have fun

Mekkah im going to leave Mangs for you because your spectacular and you amaze me

Nice.

even flaw Lin shall forever be a favorite.

I love how all the lords of Fire Emblem 7 are overrated and massively adored except for poor Eliwuss. *Insert sad eliwood portrait*

When I got to the final chapter years ago I was happy and surprised to get the Sol Katti as a gift... and then felt utter disappointment when I tried to use it thinking it was actually better than the Mani Katti... " Thanks for nothing, Athos!" Lyn is best girl, but why is she so small and meek? You'd think a skilled lifelong Sacaean like her would be a little more robust all around with a heftier swing.

Another very solid video. I do like that you're not condemning people for using bad units or just not playing completely optimally in general.

I don’t normally comment on RU-vid videos but this video makes me really happy, can’t wait to see the 9k sub video Mekkah

Rather than Lyn being bad, it's more like HHM shits on sword users in general. The reason why people think she's more viable than what she is is probably because a lot of casual players don't play on the hardest difficulty in the game. She operates fine on everything except HHM, especially in Eliwood where there are less peg nights overall. Not to mention you get an energy ring and angelic robe during her campaign, which fixes some of her biggest problems if used on her. That's the bigger problem here: a lot of units that are fine become garbage on HHM, while units like Raven become crazy good. I mean, if you look at average stats, Lyn passes Guy on everything except HP and speed (hardly matters since they both cap anyway) pretty quickly, including strength. Hell, even with Hard Mode bonuses, Guy is still just basically Lyn without manikatti, bow utility, and less availability. The only thing he has on her is that he can promote early; if you got a heaven seal a few chapters earlier, it would be negligible. Looking at it this way, you can argue that Swordmasters are just a garbage class in HHM anyway since Guy is essentially the best one and he still gets passed by Lyn in most things. On an unrelated note, does anyone else think a lot of problems would be fixed with her mid game if supports we available during her campaign? That early access to Rath, Kent, and especially Florina (easily a B support, possibly an A by the end of her campaign) would make a pretty big difference I feel.

Congrats on 8k Mekkah. I know this is just a hobby for you, but your FE content (with occasional uploads of other content) is great. Glad to see more people are seeing that. Just know your vids are greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work!

I can't believe that this is just 1 year old. And now you have 29.000 Subscribers. Wow!

So something i'm not sure was considered for the video but for Lyn's loadout you could give her slim swords before you have access to Killing Edges. While they don't do as much as the latter the Slim Swords (and the Short Bow which is the slim equivalent for bows when she does eventually promote) they are available much earlier in fact the same chapter you recruit Lyn and the Caelin crew.

Finally someone who doesn't say: "Lyn's tale make her bad"

I feel one thing not mentioned enough is how much Lyn gets screwed over by effective MT only being doubled in America's version of Fe7. To give you an example in that first clip where the cavalier surivived her first attack by 8, he would of died in 1 hit with the standard triple MT. Like wise the Valkyries in Cog of Destiny can fall into one shot with triple effective MT. Lyn's secondary weapon bows also gets more effective with her ability to use up to steel bows in promotion she will one round the majority of flying units save for end game Wyvern Lords but almost no one one rounds them. She can also use the Wyvern slayer to actually damage Wyvern knights before she gets bows which were one of the most troubling classes for Lyn to deal with normally. Triple effective MT benefits all characters overall at the cost of having to be more mindful of enemy effective weapons, but Lyn as well as other speedy sword users especially benefit from them as their abilty to double constanty gives them double the value out of them. Not only does triple Mt makes Lyn's offense much stronger but also helps her durability as she will 1 shot more often meaning she will suffer less counters on player phase. Even with Triple effective Mt she still has her other issues like weak enemy phase in a enemy phase domaniated game, lack of a early promotion option, the ridiculous amount of dangerous lance and magic units late game in HHM and general inability to take hits, she at least will excell out her niche of being an high damaging player phase based unit.

Yeah, that's basically how it is. Lyn's a 1 star unit if you don't play her mode and a 2 star (3 being VERY generous) if you choose to play her mode. Good luck on the 8k, too!

I'll be honest. I love Lyn almost exclusively because her battle animations are awesome.

Moral of the story: Lyn is a bad unit, BlazingKnight was right- wait...

*HOWEVER INTENSIFIES*

If you plan to use Lyn in any mode make sure you set your Tactician to be Wind Affinity - play their prologue on the difficulty you want to play.

Great

Out of curiosity, Mekkah, have you ever found any FE7 rebalance patches you thought improved the game overall?

I always used Lyndis and I never had many troubles with her.

Eliwood as far as I've played is easily one of the best, even unpromoted, but still, this really helps, I knew Lyn was bad, but I didn't know exactly how bad

It sucks that she's so shafted in fe7 man. I love lyn.

Inb4 Mangs

I've always wondered why they didn't give Lyn the Mulagir as her ultimate weapon.. and the sol katti should've been made available earlier in like, a side quest or something.. Maybe in a fe7 remake? ;)

she was always my go to unit high crit and dodge always

Good video Mekkah, thanks to inform people about Lyn's qualities in the best way possible. BTW... How is going your plan to defeat FE Wikia with the other Wiki like page?

22:27 Nice

You are forgetting that she is waifu material and thus gets all the stat boosters making her a good unit in the end.

Ohh, FE7 was also my first Fire Emblem, then FE6, then FE8

Yay now we can say that we were here before Mekkkah's first "Viral" video

I would love the see you revisit this video after your most recent let’s play, now that lyn IS good in FE6. @mekkah

15:41 *the enemy!*

I love your videos mekkah

I despise ur love of mounted units lol, great vid.

FE7: where a sword is almost as useless as a wet noodle

I always train Lyn at least enough to get Linus's Four-Fanged Offense. Both because Geitz>>>>Wallace and because Lloyd's version sucks to play.

Last time I used Lyn, she capped almost every stat and was able to guarantee dodge anything without WT advantage. She was so blessed I took the time to train her up to A bows and trivialized the final chapter with the Brave Bow. She took a lot of investiment but actually paid off immediately at chapter 16, thanks to mad luck in Lyn Mode. Priscilla would have done the same job with similar investiment, but much better because of 1-2 range, better weapon type, staves and better movement. Except she was 20/10 with 7 Magic.

Great vid on my favorite unit. Myrmidons to me always have this awkward place in fe. I love them as units, but they're so squishy and being sword locked isn't usually a good thing. What I'd like to know is how should they be used in truly ideal situations. Lyn here has the +Cav&Armor bonus from her prf but your Valk example and the lack of a 1-2 range on an infantry unit makes that really not seem worth it. Hmm...... I'd love to see some good examples on how to effectively use Myrmidons as a whole throughout the FE Franchise.

A video that does Lyn justice. Grats on 8k subs

how did you make a redditz into a 35 minute video. BUT MEKKKAHHHHHHHH!!!!! MY LYN MAXED ALL HER STATS!!!!! I REALLLY THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION!!!!!!

Your English is very good! You have a strong accent

Her promoted version's crit animation is pretty cool though.

Schizophrenic as the first fire emblem wiki entry could it be? "Just give her a killing edge and she will dispatch an entire army all by herself". As lyn fan this hurts me, but you have very solid points, the great problem Lyn has is her really beyond awful initial stats, i mean they always do that with the main characters but Lyn's case is a particularly sad one, especially when you realize Eirika is basically Lyn both in initial stats and growths wih the only exception of having 2 more strength initially, even the creators realized how screwed her initial stats were. Oh well, at least the Mani Katti is an awesome weapon.

Popped up in my recommendations and easily liked it. I would be bluntly honest, I absolutely love Lyn as a character, but her flaws are definitely out there. The only thing I liked was buffing her stats with items and screwing every unit that has an advantage against her (Like wyverns, damn hate those things coming close) and laugh at their faces as I stare at the jiggle physics. I am a simple man with simple needs :D

Mekkah, I these analyses are honestly really great. Rather than just give a hot take with shoddy reasoning (which most fanboys and fangirls do), you back up a fair take with strong reasoning. I don't think there's anything else to add, except for one thing: Chapter 23E/24H, or Four-Fanged Offense. The combined Lord level determines your map and your boss (as well as the boss for Cog of Destiny). I would've loved to have seen your analysis on the importance of controlling your level for Four-Fanged Offense. Personally, I always go the Linus route, for several reasons: 1) No fog of war. 2) I prefer Geitz over Wallace, for support and usage reasons. 3) The arena is in a more exciting spot, allowing me to battle there while engaging enemies from all attack points. It gives me a chance to use the arena often without spamming or negatively effecting ranked runs. 4) Heck, make it general map layout. Just give me one mounted unit to get to the village at the bottom right, which should be no problem whatsoever. 5) The challenge of using flying units to combat the ballistae and/or ferry companions. (The latter applies to battling Linus or getting to the secret shop.) 6) No fog of war. Basically, the Linus map is a much more fun challenge for my taste. Plus, I like the Lloyd/Nino talks in Cog of Destiny more than the Linus/Nino talks. So there's yet another reason. This is likely personal preference over anything else, but I think it's at least a notable talking point. The Lords' level must be 50+ to get the Linus map, meaning Lyn must be AT LEAST level 10 no matter what. And if you hate capping units as much as I, Lyn should probably be higher, so Eliwood and Hector don't have to be capped for several levels. So I use her often... until this point. She's honestly my highest-leveled Lord up until this chapter. After that, she honestly falls to the backdrop.

My main reason for using her is that her promoted Lyn has really nice animations

At least Lyn gets more alts than Marth.

I had to feed her Body Rings and Energy Rings for her to have any use -- and even then, Sain outclassed her in everything, even goddamn SPEED!

I would have liked to see the Bow's being added as a secondary weapon addressed a bit more in depth. A common tactic I use with bow/melee hybrid classes is to attack with a bow to avoid a counterattack, and then bring another unit in to trade Lyn to sword equip, then finish off an enemy with the active unit. It's still not as good as 1-2 range, since one range is still not being covered, and it requires team support, and it won't completely turn Lyn around, but I think it makes Bow's a better secondary weapon than implied. Lyn's low Con at 5-6 is also a big issue, but supports that she should probably be using swords and bows. The Iron and Silver Bow are the only 2 range weapons she can theoretically use (silver bow is admittedly not likely to happen) without slowdown, and the killer bow only gives 1 slowdown. An Iron Lance would give 2 slowdown, a Javelin would give 5 slowdown. If you're taking 5 slowdown (also 10 avoid) you get rid of Lyn's main selling point, and gives even less reason to pick her over Eliwood. Bow's+Swords are a reasonable way to go for low Con units in my opinion.

Lyn mode characters all have the advantage of having a big level advantage (if you do lyn mode and/or keep a save).

Mekkah is a teach He preach

I always wondered why everyone likes her so much anyways. Most likely it’s one of two things: hopping aboard the “best girl” bandwagon or her plot.

I must have been RNG blessed on my first runthrough of this game because I swear she seemed better than I saw her in this video.

Thank you for informing me about Lyn in Hector hard mode. She is my favourite character but I would like to beat Hector's hard mode.

The question is are Thighs> Guy's stats or literally any merc? I dislike her because she is in the way of a Legendary Serra

For Unfulfilled Heart, you could also abuse the Mine Glitch to both get the Uber Spear and disarm all enemies that aren't reinforcements, meaning it's even easier in comparison to the other Force Deploy maps.

Thank you. That's all.

>makes an analysis about Lyn >mentions CoD Valkyries Instant like, great video overall Mekkah :D

What I consider one of my big "coming of age" moments as a Fire Emblem player and a person in general was the realization that Lyn just wasn't very good. I was playing through Hector Hard mode for the first time after playing through all the other modes, and I kind of unconsciously used Lyn less and less as the playthrough went on. Then in Chapter 26 Unfulfilled Heart I finally realized that Lyn just wasn't going to be a helpful contribution in a chapter that's always given me trouble, even if I gave her the Heaven's Seal. So, for the first time, I classed up Eliwood before Lyn. For the rest of the playthrough I just kind of... held her back, I guess. Kept her out of the fight, because she just wasn't going to help me on the frontlines. That was a big moment for me. I was finally able to admit to myself that just because I like a unit or just because a character is fun to use doesn't make them a "good" character. It was still okay to like that character, but it was better if I accepted that they may not be as good as I originally thought or personally value. This in turn helped shape me as a person down the line and my willingness to critique my own opinions, flaws and all, but a large part of that started with Lyn.

Analynsis

The main problem with myrmidons (and Lyn by extent) is... you really need to invest a lot of time training them to actually make them somewhat viable option as a dodge tank... when you can have actual high def/res units anyway (oh and lack of viable 1-2 range weapon also hurts badly, but it has probably been said a lot of times by now)

The sad part is that soon after Guy joined I said "Hey, he is more or less like Lyn..." But I'll still use her because Is my first playthough... I want to experience by myself how she performs