881. The first non-native speaker to read the UK TV news (with Barbara Serra)

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Barbara Serra is an award-winning Italian journalist who has spent much of her career reading the news in the UK on various high-profile well-established English language news networks including the BBC, Channel 5, Al Jazeera English and Sky News.
Barbara has quite a specific relationship with English. It’s her dominant language but not her native language. She has a certain accent, which does place her outside the UK somehow.
So how has this affected her career as a news reader and reporter? What is the story of her English? What kind of challenges has she faced while reading the news in the UK? And what does this all tell us about learning English, what it means to improve your accent, the relationship between accent and identity, the definition of “native” and “non-native speaker”, the status of different English accents in the English speaking world?
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@LukesEnglishPodcast 8 дней назад

Thanks again to @BarbaraSerraJournalist Should you try to sound exactly like a British person, or not? I think it depends on the context in which you will be using English. According to what Barbara said, if you’re reading the national news to a UK audience, then yes it does matter - you should sound like a British person. Otherwise, in most other cases when you are speaking English in an international context or when it’s fine to sound a bit foreign, then it’s ok to have a bit of an accent. What is vital in all situations is clarity. It’s possible to have a foreign accent and still be very clear. Clarity is the main thing, and the ability to make connections with the people you’re talking to.

@chamindidayaratne9917 2 дня назад

Thank you for your advice. Recently I felt so embarrassed when year one child was picking on me. I felt embarrassed and unsure how to handle the situation.

@kundalini1953 21 день назад

What a down to earth, honest and intelligent woman thank you Barbara.

@Lyuchin 9 дней назад

And gorgeous!

@radostinastoqnova5668 8 дней назад

Ppppppppppp@@Lyuchin

@yuehyingtseng8995 15 дней назад

Great episode and thanks to both of you. Her English is clear, fluent and confident but, yes, accent wise does put our minds thinking that of some region outside the UK. I also notice her personality more cheerful and bubbly than a general Brit. It’s cultural thing. She’s outside of that British culture frame or thick glaze. There is no good or bad. Just different. One can never fake to be one who’s not, plus no need to be one. You can tell I’m a British or English cultural outsider. Just be yourself - the most and only important thing.

@Clodovicus 6 дней назад

cheerful and bubbly? I don't know if I would have used these terms, but in the way she is, she seems more Nordic than Italian. Italians laugh often and lightly, even at the most unlikely things. I recognize her being Italian in the fact that she sometimes inserts small jokes or brief considerations that can make you laugh/smile, but from the way she speaks both in English and in Italian, a sort of agitation of thought shines through, which is certainly not English but also not Italian. I don't know if is Danish, but most likely is Sardinian (lastly, is certainly Barbara). -IMO- in her there is a deep awareness, given by experience, that misunderstanding can never be completely avoided. A trace of her arrival at 9 years old.

@leovidal8482 6 дней назад

She sometimes sounds British sometimes she sound American but in the end she has a beautiful accent. I am native Spanish speaker but living so many years in the US made me learn to love the beautiful English language to the extent that I have written two novels in English and currently writing the third one. Long live the English language.

@muro_35 21 день назад

she is soooooo professional - great insight into the TV broadcast world. great lesson again. thanks luke.

@tmc02086 19 дней назад

I love the idea and perspective of Barbara giving about the accent. When she emphasise that clarity is no compromise, it’s such a good point.

@englishstory-tv 22 дня назад

Wow, what an enlightening episode! 🌟 It's so inspiring to hear Barbara Serra's journey as a non-native English-speaking journalist in the UK.

@lizhu7269 22 дня назад

❤❤

@Rita-bw3wh 22 дня назад

As always: interesting, motivating, helpful, entertaining - simply the best podcast in English. Barbara Serra is inspirational and admirable. 🙏

@nisreenraqssharqi2703 20 дней назад

I was amazed by Ms. Sierra's articulate speech. I'm one of those who're working on improvement of English pronunciation. I always say I don't need to erase the trace of my heritage, but I want to sound confident and clear when speaking English. It was reassuring to hear a successful professional like her supporting this idea!🥰

@matteorossetton8150 22 дня назад

I'm Italian, and her accent sounds familiar to me.. I would definitely say that she's from Italy, even though she speaks a lot better than Italians in general :)

@injujuan8993 21 день назад

Thanks for this comment, mate, as I was wondering if someone who is Italian would be able to tell she’s a compatriot

@lizunfille 15 дней назад

What a wonderful interview! Thanks to Barbara for sharing the story of her journey

@deborapignotti7760 11 дней назад

You're so honest and I love it. You're an example ❤

@jyotichauhan6679 19 дней назад

your podcasts r helping and educating us . thank you so much many best wishes

@timeatallodi8218 16 дней назад

I definitely think she has an Italian imprint mainly in word stress ( e.g the pronunciation of accent, honest)and her 'a's.Wonderful accent.

@injujuan8993 21 день назад

I’ve spotted many comments starting with wow 🤩 Yes 👏, wow, what a deep dive into the world of languages and journalism and how the two have developed over the years. And so much more. Thank you, Luke ❤and Barbara ❤️ for this amazing conversation

@StanleyCalderon-qz5zd 21 день назад

Great Barbara, you’re amazing and admirable!

@marta7973 7 дней назад

All very interesting. Thank you for bringing the subject to us. As a person that have lived in the UK for the last 20 years , using English as my second language daily at work and at home, I must admit that it all depends on your background, lifestyle even and people that you surround yourself with. It all affects the way you sound, but also what type of person you are, as well. I have been privileged to be around mostly Brits and I had an amazing English teacher, who taught me English with the knowledge of my first language's influence in pronunciation. I was learning English and living in England among English people and I believe it to be the strongest influence on my English today. I'm greartful for that. No schools are ever going to teach you English or any other language better then you living among the natives. Well done Barbara. We are all proud of you.😊

@yuliabelyaeva3640 10 дней назад

I am a Russian citizen and native Russian speaker but I am an asian looking girl. You could guess me as Chinese, Japanese, Korean. When we lived in Taiwan people were so amazed I am from Russia. Once I met a Chinese he thought I was joking and couldn't believe it. I could see his cognitive dissonance was so mind-blowing.

@YY2-hr8of 20 дней назад

Thank you for this incredible episode 👏👏👏👏👏

@acastronog 21 день назад

Great, interesting. It was awesome to listen to Barbara Serra, thank you!

@millie_s_ 21 день назад

Interesting episode, especially for someone who is doing a Master thesis on English Phonetics and Phonology (English as L2). Thank you!

@opellatia 21 день назад

That was so enlightening, thanks!

@JoseRodrigues-xd7xs 21 день назад

I loved the episode, and Luke, you're my favorite English speaker. Also, I admire very much the Italian people. Once they were on the forefront of the mankind.

@nagybalancedlife4221 21 день назад

Lovely, was very inspiring episode❤️

@chamindidayaratne9917 17 дней назад

Very valuable comments thank. You . I am a EAL learner . This is really inspiring and helpful to me🙏🙏🙏

@carloshumbertomendoza4770 22 дня назад

Thank you Barbara for you share your experience and your time wirh us . I am learning english.

@gD-cp3cg 21 день назад

Great conversation, thank you to both of you.

@thithiooqelc4679 21 день назад

This is great! We can learn a lot from this, thanks

@giadacalvi8669 19 дней назад

I'm italian Luk. In her speech i heard a lot italian accent. 😊

@ekaterinalazareva2922 20 дней назад

Thank you for your archive!! It’s very convenient for new learners.

@dukeirocastillo 13 дней назад

Luke was speechless for a while .... I think he has learned English from Barbara today ;) Ciao

@Dmitriy_Obuhov 22 дня назад

I like the clarity of her speech

@aminanasser7083 17 дней назад

Thanks a lot for this interesting and inspiring episcode. شكراً

@LetstalkBachelorDegreein-el1tq 18 дней назад

Thank you Luke, thank you Barbara.

@abdikey6255 21 день назад

Thank you, teacher Luke. I am a LEP star from 🇸🇴. Let me know when the one in my country will happen, I mean LEP start meeting. I would appreciate it if could get a team who have been listening to this important show, and as a result, their English has reached the next level.

@jenik6210 8 дней назад

Thank you for your job ❤❤❤❤

@user-tf1wr9rx7t 19 дней назад

She is great

@ManpreetSingh-kb5xe 17 дней назад

Great information 👍

@cinnamontea1607 5 дней назад

I think Barbara’s message was about the dominance of English in the world and how it creates many inequities. Non-English speaking countries often face disadvantages, and now ads from each corner are pushing the idea that we all need to learn English. This isn’t necessarily bad, I guess that’s we all do here, but it still highlights the pressure to achieve recognition for speaking English.

@maratselihov8371 13 дней назад

cool Barbara, thank you

@paulorobertopedroso9933 17 дней назад

Excellent interview,.

@jeadduffy3536 2 дня назад

Barbara is very intelligent! She sounds like American which is very essay to comprehend.

@user-vn3eu9pd3y 18 дней назад

Thank you for this interesting episode.!

@lielouh 2 дня назад

Thanks for this conversation! It's full of validation, honesty, perspective-taking, and education for the monolingual brain . It's been really enlightening listening. In conclusion: keep your identity, work on intelligible speech (correct+clear) and be realistic/practical to reach your audience.

@tatijaz8672 8 дней назад

What a wonderful interview! Thank you both very much for this hour of interesting conversation. I know retroflexive R as in a part of Brazil it's the way R sounds. It was funny to see you tlak about that.

@virginiashuler6701 21 день назад

Mr. Luke's listening to your podcast does help me, a bit better in my speech. Thanks!

@andreacortes5097 17 дней назад

Great episode Luke!

@teneoultrius6340 22 дня назад

Thank you for this incredible episode, I think it’s time for me to stop feeling shame for my accent and multicultural heritage of an immigrant.

@user-lp5ps4vc1j 21 день назад

So cool! Thank you soo much for this episode!

@ManpreetSingh-kb5xe 17 дней назад

Nice podcast Luke 🎉

@lucaangeliniluna1810 22 дня назад

I’m an italian guy(22), living in Spain for almost 12 years, i know what Barbara says about R sound 😂. Stories like this help a lot, best wishes Barbara. Amazing Podcast, Luke good job, like always, here Luca (Luke in italian). See you.

@annagrigoreva1992 22 дня назад

Such an amazing episode !🎉

@TeacherZdenek 22 дня назад

Fascinating episode with a powerful message. It made me think of my own learning journey. As someone who barely spoke English at 18 and became a TEFL teacher in London 20 years later, I'd like to say anything is possible if you put your mind to it...and listen to LEP long-term of course :) Like your guest, I also think English is my dominant language these days, and I tend to express myself better in it than in my first language, but I'll never be able to say I'm a native speaker. It took me a while to accept this, but in the last 5 years I've arrived at "it is what it is".

@saniyasaleem8771 22 дня назад

Thanks 🎉

@mariangeladipierro6483 22 дня назад

Great episode 👏👏👏

@MRaquelGarciaValero 22 дня назад

Thank you 🙏

@sudy3090 22 дня назад

It is such an intresting podcast ,thanks

@arjajohannesdotter7079 21 день назад

Thanks Luke!

@Hja00228 22 дня назад

Very interesting! Thank you!!

@irajemami3492 22 дня назад

Very interesting, thanks

@abdullahalmamun7006 22 дня назад

Thanks a lot, very crucial video

@dds67 21 день назад

Thanks teacher

@johnsarkissian5519 11 дней назад

Here in Canada, media, including the government sponsored CBC radio and TV, is getting more and more populated with hosts and announcers with foreign or regional accents, sometimes so heavy that it’s difficult to understand them. I’m not talking about the occasional foreign guest, I’m talking about the actual people employed by these media organizations. Many of them often mispronounce words such as “poyg-nunt” for poignant, etc., pronounce silent letters, put the stress on the wrong syllable and so on. We even have news announcers with a variety of speech impediments. All this in the name of inclusivity, equity and equality.

@Clodovicus 6 дней назад

It must be fun! Horribly funny A couple of months ago a news presenter said half a word in her dialect while talking to a guest and it still resonates in my head

@user-by6eh2vn8p 21 день назад

Thanks 🎊

@baby1cat175 22 дня назад

Luke ... you are the best !!

@PackiriaasmayRavindran 21 день назад

Nice work 🎉

@kermanification 21 день назад

Amazing

@antinkuntin5452 22 дня назад

You are doing a great job dude 🤘🏻👍🏻

@chimak8332 22 дня назад

She is beautiful. I saw her on Sky News .

@buonleo 22 дня назад

I enjoyed every second of this conversation! As an Italian, I didn't hear an Italian accent in Barbara, I'd say she sounds more 'atlantic' than 'mediterranean'. However, one thing she has inherited from Italian is her speed of speech! Btw I'm amazed by how natural her accent is when she speaks Italian, after 30+ years out of the country, only one thing sounds a little odd: she tends to overcorrect her 'r's.

@barbaraserrajournalist 20 дней назад

Thank you....I always feel the real weakness in my Italian is with my vocabulary. Very often I can think of a word in English but not the Italian translation, especially when it's on a topic (News, for example) that I usually discuss in English

@Clodovicus 6 дней назад

@@barbaraserrajournalist Don't you think it's just a matter of habit and practice? I mean... with English language school from age 9 onwards, it would be strange otherwise! What is most evident is that you are used to speaking another language, breathing and making sounds according to another language. In fact, I was wondering: if a person like you does the same type of exercises done in (and for) English, to improve emission in Italian, would there be confusion between head and mouth when speaking any of the two languages? Sopra la panca la capra campa, sotto la panca la capra crepa! Trentatre trentini entrarono a Trento tutti e tretatre trotterellando... Forza Barb, try! 😄

@alinamatyakubova 15 дней назад

Thank you for this video, Luke! While listening to Barbara saying that nobody have ever guessed that she is Italian I understood the same thing happens to me) I have been living in Vietnam for 6 months now and nobody has ever said that I am Russian (okey only one man at the souvenir store cause I speak Vietnamese and he guessed as there is a few number of russians speaking vietnamese very well). Sooooo most of people (not only Vietnamese, other foreigners as well) think I am French and I once asked a guy from France about it and he said I sound kind of French) (probably cause I'm learning French who knows!) That is really an interesting thing to play a guessing game with people trying to guess where I am from xd

@esraalev 20 дней назад

Let it Be is out ! 🎉❤

@leahevelee 22 дня назад

I like your podcast thank you

@josipnerovcic879 19 дней назад

It was werry nice 😊 dankeschön ❤

@hm.dasjerdi-yd2us 20 дней назад

Hello Luke. Thanks for this episode. It's really amusing how she manages to overcome those difficulties although she is a native speaker. I hope you and your family have a great day ahead. ❤❤

@barbaraserrajournalist 20 дней назад

I am not a native speaker. I started learning English when I was 9 years old, and probably wasn't fluent until around 12/13 years old. I am a native Italian speaker. English is my second language, though it's been my dominant language for decades.

@hm.dasjerdi-yd2us 20 дней назад

@@barbaraserrajournalist @barbaraserrajournalist hello Barbara. Yeah it was my mistake. English is your dominant language. My bad. I think it was the main point of the talk to differentiate the native and dominant 😅 and it even makes what you did more astonishing. Although the email you mentioned is unfair. If a person cares that much about a language so he can speak it as well as a native speaker, one shouldn't nag about it and you didn't write the news. there's a whole crew that does it. I am familiar with the power of accents. There's lots of accents in every part of my country and even people in two neighbor village speaks a bit different from each other but we understand each other.

@barbaraserrajournalist 19 дней назад

@@hm.dasjerdi-yd2us Thank you for your reply, and there's a big debate around native/dominant language, and what it should mean. But you're right about the power of accents. I do think sometimes people give it too much importance, like you say, as long as we understand one another it shouldn't matter so much. 🙂

@lielouh 2 дня назад

In a way-- I can relate to your guest. I'm neither this nor that... Not 'native' enough here or there 😆. Regardless of my mood, "Where are you from?" still is the most challenging question to answer. It also depends on who asks the question. I mean... we live in an insatiable world. 😅

@marilucyd1505 19 дней назад

For those complaining they can't understand what she is saying: she is one hundred percent clear. Her speech pattern isn't British, though. It is a latin speech pattern.

@Clodovicus 6 дней назад

☝Exactly 👍

@user-xj8qo9gd9r 21 день назад

Thanks for a new LEP

@susultetrabuanasoeryo4217 15 дней назад

Thanks for the voiced. Rather sleepy be continued later. Nice. Good Night.

@mdatikullah5321 21 день назад

new podcast means new learning

@jacksonamaral329 18 дней назад

Good.

@sasawemshawemsahw59 22 дня назад

Hey Luke welcome am from 🇪🇹 Ethiopia

@OlegShapkin 6 дней назад

I moved to Germany when i was 8 and I still have a Russian accent in German, even though I speak it fluently. I think obly little kids (under the age of 5-6) can become native speakers and lose their accents :D

@user-dg3eh9bc8y 16 дней назад

When i study English my teacher told that its not important to try to use each of accsent by perpous but on my own practice i used to say that its more impotant to understand all language by ears cos not everywhere subtaitls are avaluable and you can be the great in texts you totally without earsight when it comes to converation with foreune cos And what the need to learn English if you cant speak with people

@AhmedImtiaz-bq8rx 15 дней назад

You looks soo young

@fossaflute 10 дней назад

My kids go to an International school. I wonder how they will explain where their accent is from... "we are Russians who graduated from English school, but our teachers were Greeks " 😊

@mollietai8946 22 дня назад

She is entitled to a native speaker. And rightfully so!

@riccardousai6216 20 дней назад

Anyway your accent sounds familiar😊

@jonathanbarone4708 22 дня назад

❤❤

@salahalselene4957 22 дня назад

❤❤❤❤

@melikebdb7779 22 дня назад

Hi teacher

@gabrielamunozbazan947 22 дня назад

Hola Luke !

@ayadmohsen.9604 22 дня назад

I wish I would be there for a month

@tatijaz8672 8 дней назад

You're right Luke. Those who are learning English better try their best to be easily understood and as near as possible of a native speaker pronunciation because anyway a foreigner will NEVER sound as an English native speaker.

@sobi4222 22 дня назад

Hello :)

@yrez6276 22 дня назад

🇲🇽 🙌

@user-nl6uj2dt2o 18 дней назад

Beautiful woman!

@hm.dasjerdi-yd2us 22 дня назад

Hello sir.

@thuytrangduong4639 15 дней назад

My daughter is Vietnamese and before 7 years old . She has uk accent from Peppa pig and now her accent is American . She learns in bilingual school but her English is better than her Vietnamese . 😂😂😂😂😂 it’s really easy to learn language like a child . People couldn’t understand how h hard to pronounce words …

@neyna7740 21 день назад

Even she lives in English speaking country half of her life, you can feel the accent. So, pity that she uses a lot "you know 😢. Nevertheless she speaks perfect and natural

@ramparkash2318 12 дней назад

@neyna 7740. Ur saying absolutely right.

@dawa4706 21 день назад

So interesting to listen as an English language learner,I am not into accent,I just want to speak fluently,I like this podcast,thank you teacher Luke and Barbera Sara.