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Hi guys! I think, because the processor power is the same, similar performance results are obtained when running the same application. But ram performance comes about in multitasking.
Got my MacBook Air M1 8Gb this weekend, upgrading from a maxed out 2014 MBP 15”. The new Air leaves the MBP in the dust, hasn’t broken a sweat yet and running safari, chrome, slack, Affinity Photo etc. Also went a whole working day on the battery, went from 100% to 70% with heavy use.
This weekend I had exact this bad experience with a new 8GB MacBook Air M1- I just returned it. The memory pressure was often high and the system began to stutter when switching between light photo editing, Excel work and web browsing (news pages, RU-vid, etc.) while streaming high res music. Swap was at 8GB.
@@MCMRokamir I doubt that was memory related. I have the new M1 Mac Mini and I was getting crazy stutter in Microsoft Word and Safari. Very low-memory intensive apps but I’m seeing the same issue. I’m hoping a software update fixes it soon.
@@Streamlined955 Probably this is also due to not adopted SW and will improve over time. However, I tend to use multiple desktops and leave project (research on different topics, tax declaration, photo editing, etc.) open till they are finished. After setting up every thing and using the MacBook Air for some time, I was just not sure that the 8GB will do it for me. I watched the memory usage and it was constantly swapping, showed often high memory pressure and sometimes was reloading web pages when I returned to them.
@@Reppa57 do you live in an alternate reality? have you not wat hed any of the M1 Macbook reviews? and show me a 600-700$ pc that you can effectively mine cryptos with, i‘ll wait
@@Reppa57 Guys, I bought m1 8gb lap top, I think 8gb is not enough. buy 16 Gb. If you are buying mac then definitely you would have to do some heavy task. open a lot of softwares and open tabs .. this computer will lag and wont be responsive. 8 GB is not enough. period.
@@jittenddra I have Hp laptop with 8 gb It has been like 5 years and it’s still performing well And I also have another Hp laptop with 4 gb and it’s been 14 years and it’s also alive and functioning Do you think the MacBook Air M1 with 8 gb can’t last more than 6 years ?
I'm not sure what video editor cares about exporting time at those numbers - grab a beer and chill. You don't even see a different in 8GB vs 16GB until you hit 8k! Insane. Save the money and get the 8GB unless you work for Marvel Studies or something. Excellent Video!
My machine at work is 512Gb of ram. We have some at 1.5Tb of ram. I have a funny feeling at Marvel Studios they aren't pissing about with 16Gb or even 128Gb.
Honestly, I just want to say from that from the initial announcement of Apple Silicon you guys were one of the few ones that showed enthusiasm and excitement at the potential game changer with the technical backing and explanation of why. Needless to say you were absolutely right. And even those v1 models are absolutely insane. It's mind-boggling to know there are some very big tech RU-vid channels that are supposed to at least be non-biased and whose job it is to present tech and at the very least new and revolutionary tech (like this is) but laughed this off (won't name namesltt). Just want to give my sincere appreciation on you guys bringing such detailed and valuable information to what those machines can do and sustaining the quality over your content over time. Most importantly I think we can all feel your passion and that you love what you do, and that's what matters most. Thank you
Totally agree. Some of these videos were the reason I purchased one. I am a long time windows user and last year thought about switching to Mac for development reasons. However when Apple announced their own chips, I was convinced I wouldn’t touch them ever, as I remember PowerPC from years ago. When I saw these videos showing the actual performance comparisons I realized my thinking was wrong and this bandwagon was moving much faster than I ever dreamed it would. Maybe I’ll be proved wrong in the next couple years, but the more videos I see like this the more I think being an early adopter may not get me in trouble this time :)
I appreciate the effort that went into testing the two new machines. I would say however that it's obviously very media production oriented, it doesn't really address other types of work case scenarios. Perhaps media production is the most intense so it's more or less a valid test. But as I transition from being a media producer to being a project manager, I see myself opening more internet tabs, having a wider variety of programs open, and doing several very different types of work all at the same time. More RAM has been the bane of my work so I think it would still be better for me to opt for the 16GB, definitely more than a 10-15% improvement in my case.
i mean i am a student with 8gb. i can play games that have minimum requirement of 8gb,can run it. as well has 3 games at the same time. With a whole tabs filled with school work and also social tabes and spotify open idk about computers. But seems 8 does really well
I've had a few months to use a 8GB and 16GB version of Macbook Air for work and can say that for any meaningful multitasking work you will want to have 16GB. This is specific to serious business users that rely on MS Office, Teams, and Safari running any type of app (ie: LucidChart). Eventually, the multiple applications will drag down your memory usage and slow down your Mac. Once I upgraded to 16GB M1 everything worked as it should. I currently use MS office along with Parallels VM running PowerBI desktop and have had no slowdown issues.
This. Unless you sit there watching your video render and don't want to do anything else, you need 16GB. That was what wasn't covered in his comparison.
Just because these results are today, doesn’t mean they’ll be the same in like 3 years. 16gb is the option if you plan to keep 5+ years for future apps where the 8gb mode will start to stutter in multi tasking scenarios.
Great tests! Thanks! But how would the 8gb do exporting a 40 minute video at 4K on Final Cut? A 5 minute video export seems too small for a RU-vid video.
Thanks for the reviews... BUT... you're testing memory and running CPU/GPU intensive benchmarks. Memory helps more when you have more crap running. Additionally, David Oastler hit the nail on the head... 8GB seems like enough because it's swapping memory to that ultra-fast SSD. I wish we saw the amount of swap being used. When you're constantly taxing that SSD for swap, it'll wear out the drive much sooner. Please do an update test while showing swap and running many different real-world apps (Chrome with 50 browser tabs + Photoshop + some other junk in the background like music playing). You know, real world stuff :) Thanks again Vadim and Max!
Thank you! Thank you! & Thank you! Finally the video I was looking for. I now won't be selling my 8gig iMac. Cheers!
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If you are use your laptop as a workstation, 8GB RAM isn't enough for most scenarios because it is not suitable for heavy workload. 16GB or 32GB RAM would be much more logical choose for work. Especially for jobs such as Docker, XCode, render etc. Thank you ;)
I just returned an 8 gig model because it lags badly using lightroom classic. What he did testing lightroom is not real usage. After editing dozens of pics with filters and cropping and spot removal, it slows down to a crawl with 8 gigs. If you are a photographer, Get The 16 Gig. I was lucky that I had a product shoot that taxed the system the day after I bought it. I was able to get a full refund and upgrade. Always go for more ram. It's never a bad thing.
Another interesting situation to compare would be: Chrome, with mutiple tabs, an IDE and perhaps 1-2 other apps (mail, spotify, whatever). And see if there is a visible performance difference when switching tabs in chrome or apps in general.
And here I am with a 2020 Intel MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM that lasts for roughly 3 hours of Zoom meetings and Evernote, with its fans making noise. I'm really considering switching to the M1 but I feel like I'm being a very consumerist person 😕
Okay guys, so I know absolutely nothing about all this technical stuff, but after watching the video, I have come to the following conclusion: For a regular university student like myself, who will not do any heavy editing, rendering, or whatever, the 8GB RAM version would be more than enough. I will only be making regular assignments and writing reports which requires heavy Google search action ;) But I think that the 8GB version would do the job, and I'm wondering if you agree. So yeah, just wondering if that is a correct assumption haha. Great video, I love how detailed it is!
I’m not too sure but I think the “wired” metric in memory is the one that’s showing actively used memory. Free memory is not accurate as a lot of it is just cached stuff sitting in memory. For most of the tests, wired memory usage was similar in both models that’s why there’s not much difference in perf due to ram. If you do end up opening a lot of apps though then it’ll be more apparent I guess.
Thank you so much for mentioning the istatistica app. It was $5.99 on the App Store and I Downloaded the sensor adding and now I can see my iMac temperature and cpu usage easily. Awesome little app
The 10% difference seems small, but people need to remember that the M1 chip is only going to get better. What happens when Applications start actually being written for the M1 natively? Rather than being emulated off older software? I reckon the 16GB will start pulling away. As it sits today, no it’s probably not worth it - but anyone buying a MacBook is likely hoping to keep it for the next 5-10 years....
thanks a lot for the video!...but I should say I also learnt from the comments here...I'm thinking on buying a MBP M1...and although I'm not the kind of guy that is going to be exporting 8K red raw...I do agree that having more RAM 1) my SSD is going to be thankful for that...and 2) I'd rather spend the extra 200 usd and have a more future-ready system.
The problem with many today’s comparisons is that they don’t realize how powerful the new Apple machines are. The angle of comparison is completely wrong. The higher specs machines are for pros, and only pros can tell you how big the gap is. And yes, the gap is huge. Same happens with iPhone 12 Pro vs iPhone 12 Pro Max (i.e).
I've got the 8GB model and I totally regret it. I max this out at work with Safari, Jump Desktop Messages and GoToAssist pretty consistently. The when the swapfile gets written to, the whole machine dogs down. This video really hits the points of single use machines, but doesn't really help with multitasking at all-- especially when one app eats up all the RAM and more. Kind of nuts.
Yes you are right. No one sits there watching the video render and doesn't go do other things. A LOT of posts are saying, "you just saved me $200!" but they forget they are watching RU-vid, and have 40 other tabs open while they are working in an app.
@@oddentertaining6234 well no everyone has those work loads. I want to get one and use powerdirector on it. Since my runt Lenovo idealpad 3 stands no chance against the app. Even though it is 1tb hdd and 8gb ram. It is actually killing it soo much that it says “user interface no supported”😅😅😅. So I’m kind of skeptical of getting a 8gb ram “upgrade” if it’s going to have the same issue. I already plan to get the 1tb version BUT I’m on the fence with the ram.
Those stats against the 16 inch MacBook Pro are incredible. I was looking to buy one to upgrade from 2017 15 inch MacBook Pro this year, but I will wait until next year to see what’s in the pipeline for the newer M1 chips.
this is really a very good comparison. but if u can test it against gaming, it will be awesome to see the fps difference if gpu is bottleneck by ram. cheer mate.
Maybe if you plan on using the same machine for many years, the performance gap will grow and be felt when they are both getting old for newer apps and bigger file sizes down the road. Then 16GB will make sense.
It is time to update the 5 minutes 4k video 264 export test to a full 10 minutes 4k test. Almost all youtube video is at least 10 minutes long nowadays. Also, 5 minutes video is simply too short to test the thermal limitation of the computer. So your current video stress test is simply Not representative of how people make videos.
the problem is this test assuming that the user only using the primary program the test included. while in real life most designers or video editors will maybe have dozen of chrome/safari tabs open, also finder windows or even photoshop to edit a thumbnail/some photos for your videos specially when you have Adobe suit installed and you may use two programs at once. here the 16 GB may shine more than just one app running specially the test shows the 8 GB model almost have the memory full all the time when rendering so no room for other apps
Fact : mac stays for years on your desk You should know that mac m1 8gb version is using its 256 gb of SSD as temporary ram as main 8gb ram is over loaded. SSD has write limitations and it decreases the storage capacity over time, my suggestion is to take 16gb RAM version as increases the storage life span 😁
It really is an amazing laptop for the price. While the m1 pro and m1 max are amazing as well, I don't think this model can be overlooked especially if you are editing in 4k and below or are just starting to learn video editing. I really like the Touch Bar. The only complaint is the lack of ports and having to use dongles for everything. But that is the sacrifice if you want something a bit more sleeker and minimalistic on the go.
Just curious, do you guys think that having them both plugged into power would have affected the results at all? Was the 16GB throttling itself to preserve battery life? I would love to see the same tests with them both plugged into power. It is quite possible that the 16GB model has a larger advantage with full power. I could be wrong, the usage stats looked pretty good, but I would love to see the comparison.
Interesting tests, but one extremely important test that was overlooked is which of the two is using more swap memory. This is the main concerns for people that are deciding between 8 vs 16 Gigs RAM.
Under $1,500 Laptop with the longest battery life ever can playing game, music, picture and video production neck to neck even better than desktop is already Reality.
What about for those of us who don't do high-end video editing or the like but who routinely keep eighty bazillion tabs open in Safari as well as having a dozen or so other applications running at the same time?
I think the multitasking results should also be looked at. How valuable is the extra RAM when the browser and similar applications are open at the same time while processing.
How about a test to see what happens when you hook up an external monitor while using external ssds under extreme multitasking? Rendering while Multitasking,Watching youtube videos, and checking for smoothness and fluidity between apps. Will the new USB 3.2 Gen 2X2 technology on an external SSD achieve 2,000 MB/s?
Thanks a lot for the video.. Could you please tell us which MacBook would you choose between the MacBook Pro M1 13 with 8GB RAM vs. MacBook Air M1 13 with 16 GB RAM?? thanks again!! 🙏🏼💙
That memory doesn't improve the speed of you machine much is computing 101. It's not for that. It's for multitasking and specific apps like photoshop that need it. Render speed on the other hand really doesn't matter. A few minutes saved? You lose them on a slightly longer bathroom break.
Very nice testing guys, really good job. However, I have one big favor for all tech reviewers out there: Please create these RAM tests (or any stress tests) like you would use these machines in the real life. TLDR: "More Apps Running while Testing", Why? - I work as a Designer and for that, I need to have open at least 3 Apps simultaneously (Photoshop for creating and editing photography, Illustrator for icons, Xd for prototyping etc.) plus chrome/safari while working on the project or managing projects and I am not even counting cloud services (dropbox, drive, CC files, etc.) as they also have an impact for overall RAM usage. So the One app, the 8Gb model may seem "just fine" but in the real world, it would be obliterated with the 16Gb model. I understand that you can't simulate every possible scenario for every person who would be using these machines but I hope you get a general idea of what I was trying to say. You are also creators and you know how it is so I am not trying to undermine your work, just pointing out how am I seeing these tests and expressing my real-life experiences. Keep it up Max Tech. I love your thorough content and appreciate how fast can you bring all this data and information to us your viewers. Thank you
I was thinking the same sort of thing. When I'm at an event, I'll be using just Lightroom, but when I'm home, I have 2 4k monitors plugged in, and I might be exporting a few thousand RAW photos, and have email open, a dozen browser tabs open, and watching youtube videos. That slows down my export, I'm sure, but it's okay because I'm chillin'. This is on a 2018 MBP with 32 gigs. I'd like to know if the 16 gig M1 will be as responsive (or hopefully more so) under this sort of load.
Yes, I was also thinking about that but I was thinking that my situation is unique and probably won't fit to anyone, but I also use a lot of apps at the same time that uses a lot of RAM. Actually I got problems with Discord and web WhatsApp taking a lot of ram and thus having a laggy browser
@@suyash4490 I have the 8gb ram with an external 2TB hard drive. I be having photoshop, premier pro, Lightroom, Minecraft, Adobe acrobat, Logic Pro X and safari running all the same time sometimes. I forget to close the apps. But It runs well either way. I do eventually close apps that I don’t need running. Unless you’re gonna do crazy things or play huge games, the 8gb is good enough.
Impressive! It’d be cool if you added a few compositing tests too. Some light workload compositing like a 3 layers of 4k sources with keying/ masking. Then a heavy compositing test in Apple Motion, Fusion with more advanced compositing using many high resolution sources. Both playback, timeline scrubbing and export.
Yes... with every hardware upgrade comes software upgrades which walks hand in hand with more RAM needs. Plus advantage in re-sale, nobody today wants 4GB Ram that was 'enough' 3 years ago for some.
I don’t know why you didn’t even hit a million yet. Definitely better than most of the reviewers out there, always shares what matters. Keep going mate, you surely will reach great heights! ❤️
@@adamlevine6700 Id much rather listen to Max than somebody like Linus from Linus tech tips or Rene Richie, Actually Id rather stab myself in the ears than listen to someone like Linus
Really appreciate this great review. If I may add, from software engineer perspective, the 16GB ram will give you the advantage for multi tasking because judging from your test, the 16gb version will have more free memory left, meaning user can do more things at one time. Nevertheless dope video. Appreciate the review and effort.
@@TheBillaro great point all the reviews talks like everyone is buying a computer every year or every 2 years. I'm changing my mac after 10 years, i need something that lasts.
Absolutely. I was hesitant, but believed all the reviewers hyping that you're ok with 8gigs (never had Mac before). Well it didn't take too much time to notice that ie. using Fusion 360 and having Chrome open with tabs at the same time and it's close to it's limits already. Heck I build my desktop pc with 32gigs, just cause memory was at the building time really cheap. Going back to the 8gig model, I had free F-secure license and decided to throw it at my Mini and well, at multitasking I very often already began to hit memory limits and actually removed F-secure to have more memory for my tasks. My take is that if you do anything else but browse and do ie. spreadsheets at the same time. Absolutely and definitely go for 16gigs. 8 gig model is something like 3 programs at worst to have open simultaneously. I don't want to kill my drive with swapping.
*more ram doesn't make your machine faster* ... But it helps you *load more heavy softwares and tasks* and run them smoothly simultaneously... So the way you run the tests does satisfy me but not the way I expected...
I'm a trader and I need more ram to manage my software simultaneously and many internet pages opened. Dunno if 8 gb model and 16 gb model has same results for me. I don't think so onestly.
@@fabriziodeni3339 8gb will do your work fine but if you can afford 16gb go for it, it'll keep your ssd healthy and also you'll be confortable using your machine for the next 5years. 5years ago 4gb was perfectly fine but now 8gb is barely enough.
@@elvisdorkenoo thanks for the answer. I bought a mac mini 8gb past year and add 32 gb ram privately. All is fine. I want to buy this Mac mini with m1 chip, to replace my home pc, but I know well that if 8 gb will not be enought I cannot add more ram. As said I use many internet pages open at the same time and some software. Do you think 8gb model could be enought? I need max speed possible because time is gold for my work.
Is it worth $200 upgrading to 16GB Ram? Short answer: Not for most people, unless you need to squeeze the most performance out of your Mac, or you will export 8K footage
If you any sort of serious work get the 16gb, the 8gb model uses the SSD A LOT as secondary RAM and SSDs have much more limited read/write lifetimes than RAM. The 8gb model will have less longevity since you can't replace the SSD. But anyways apple will drop support for these first gen M1 macs so their longevity is already not that great...
@@houssamalucad753 I disagree, it’s already so powerful, years ahead than others. We all know Apple will create more powerful chips. But Apple aren’t even abandoning their intel Macs.
Honestly, I just want to say from that from the initial announcement of Apple Silicon you guys were one of the few ones that showed enthusiasm and excitement at the potential game changer with the technical backing and explanation of why. Needless to say you were absolutely right. And even those v1 models are absolutely insane. It's mind-boggling to know there are some very big tech RU-vid channels that are supposed to at least be non-biased and whose job it is to present tech and at the very least new and revolutionary tech (like this is) but laughed this off (won't name namesltt). Just want to give my sincere appreciation on you guys bringing such detailed and valuable information to what those machines can do and sustaining the quality over your content over time. Most importantly I think we can all feel your passion and that you love what you do, and that's what matters most. Thank you
@@cynthiaanderson7321 I was making a joke, because the $200 will turn into more money by the time the M2 comes out. My point is, when the new stuff comes out, people sell their old stuff anyway. But if you are seriously asking me about Bitcoin, I can tell you myself how to get some.
You cannot expect the performance of a system to increase when it has already enough memory available: the benefits of going from 8GB to 16GB of RAM should be demonstrated using a benchmark in which the amount of available RAM is identified as the bottleneck. In the Geekbench 5 CPU test, although the amount of "free" memory is low, there is a high amount of "cache" memory. Cache memory represents files that have been recently accessed and are stored in RAM for future, fast, access. This memory can be liberated and made available to applications whenever the amount of "free" memory is no longer sufficient. In other words, having a low amount of "free" RAM doesn't necessarily indicate a memory shortage. The important metric here is the "Pressure" which is roughly is equivalent to (Wired + Used) / Capacity. I have no doubts that 16GB of RAM would provide a significant performance increase for use cases that are memory hungry and not CPU bound. Great video nevertheless!
I feel like the one test that would really show you the difference between having a 8 Gb or 16 GB of RAM is using multiple apps at once. I don't do any video editing, but in my game development workflow, I'm generally running at least six or seven different applications at the same time and I was constantly maxing out my memory when I had only 64GB of ram. I recently upgraded to 128 GB because the memory was on sale and I've only come close to maxing it out once on the new 2020 iMac.
Where the ram is important is when you’ve more than one app running. When safari, outlook, word, iterm, excel, vocode, plus’s other apps all running at the same time
@@SergioQuinonez There's a lot of tests on youtube showing multiple heavy apps open and operating with 8GBs, they can't still max them out. BigSur has iOS level ram management.
@@geraldbaria The big difference between iOS and Mac OS, is that on iOS you only run a single app at a time, meaning it has all ram available for a single app. On a normal computer it's very common to have multiple apps running. The 8GB swaps A LOT and even though the SSD is fast, ram is MUCH faster.So if you're the type that only has a couple of tabs open in your browser, sure get the 8 GB. But if you like have a lot of apps running, loads of tabs in your browser etc. The 16 GB will be a much better option...and I guarantee you will be able to feel it. This test is attacking from a performance perspective which is rarely the point of ram(unless you workload is very restrained), it's about being able to run a lot of stuff without swapping. Swapping should always be avoided if possible.
@@MaxTechOfficial Apple Silicon has nothing to do with the RAM. Memory is memory no matter what architecture you're on. A jpg from a webpage is the same size no matter what. An apple silicon build of Chrome will not use less memory.
@@mmdday your theory is what this video disproves. Many of the test on 8gb shows very high memory pressure and that it was accessing swap memory alot. But the results barely change. Whatever apple’s doing with the memory organisation and architecture is making a big difference.
@@johanaziz That's because you don't know how to read the memory stats. *Most* of the tests weren't even close to using most of the RAM. Much of the RAM is occupied by the cache, which can be thrown away and is not part of app memory. And in fact, this probably explains a lot of the performance difference in tests that don't use much memory (compiling in xcode), because compilation is heavy on the disk, and the loss of file cache on the 8GB explains why it's slower (but only slightly). Please don't comment if you dont understand how this works. Think about it, no app is going to use 8GB of memory, because that would make it impossible to run at all on lots of machines.
The 16gb model is the one I went for because (as far as I know, I'm no expert) more RAM is better for running multiple apps and browser tabs at the same time and my daily usage often involves having multiple Abode applications, word, excel, onenote and several browser tabs open at any time.
All love, but feels like the vid is here to help sell MBP 8gb. I mean, we need to know what happens when we run multiple apps, that’s what most people do, right??
He's telling us that most people will be fine with the 8 GB RAM. 16 GB isn't a necessity unless you KNOW you're going to be using a lot of intense apps
What do you need the Pro for? I get that the extra battery is cool, but the only time I felt my Mac batter wasnt enough, was whne I actually forgot to charge it before a rather long flight.
Get the Pro. You have to think of Apple's mindset and what each model was 'originally' designed for. The Air is designed for the everyday basic user. The Pro aimed at creatives. It's important to go back to the basics and think of the objective. Th Air is fast but it was never designed for a pro user / creative. I guess the you can tell that i've never been a fan of the Air from day one ;)
Great video, now please make a comparison between M1 16GB Ram Pro Vs 10th gen Pro + eGPU. I wanna know which one performs better in terms of final Cut timeline & exporting.
Barefeats website have made a comparison between intel i7 with EGPU (RX 5700 XT) and M1.... Of course the intel with EGPU win big anytime except for finalcut pro (almost the same speed). I think latest Macs with Intel could be a bargain since no one understand it's real value and how powerful it is... Probably a lot of persons will sold their intel macs at low price on ebay just to get the newer macs with M1... LOL
@@Gmon750 to make that comparison with actual data using real world testing in apps. If nobody benchmarks vs eGPU nobody can say what you just said, mate! Also some people have eGPUs paired with intel minis and might be wondering if they can lose the eGPU and go with a new mini. Lots of us want to know, I was about to buy i7 mini with eGPU but decided to wait a few months ago to see what the Apple Silicon brought. No way did I expect these speed gains… especially with stock onboard GPUs. Sure, I'm dying to see what comes next in the Apple Silicon mac range, but this is good enough to have me buying one today and happy to resell if i need to upgrade for more TB3 ports (that's a big downside for me, only two TB3 ports and only one TB controller/bus on these new macs, otherwise amazing value).
With using the 16gb variant, you’re essentially using all the new M1’s potential power though correct? Where 8gb it will always bottleneck at some point the 16gb wouldn’t.. or is that wrong?
I got an m1 8gb with the 256 hard drive. I pay for the 2tb iCloud storage which is shared between all my Apple devices. So everything is seemlessly always there. Plus I bought a 2tb external drive. So I fail to see the need for the 512 storage and 8 more gigs of ram is not gonna make much difference with the m1 chip and that 8 core i7 processor
Apps that have high data in/out requirements also need ram to work with, my assumption is the more ram available the more raw footage can be available to stitch together for a final product. Hence the largest gains with video editing apps.
