Dragon Ball Super is over. I think it's fair to say that no one saw that one coming :) Personally I couldn't be more satisfied with that ending. Good bye Dragon Ball Super
I was concerned less with Trunks’s hair and more concerned with how he lost those gains Dude was looking like a Universe 6 Saiyan with those noodle arms
Probably not much time or resources available to prepare the banquets required to fully nourish a saiyan on a daily basis when Goku Black is still running around.
In terms of everything you said about Gokus losing streak, while you are not wrong, I think the issue is that even if Goku is losing those fights, he still gets the most shine in them. I’m someone like say Vegeta or Gohan caught Hit or Beerus in the same way as Goku and had his level of success people would be a lot happier.
Goku gets to shine because a) it makes the most sense and b) hes the main character. I know the letter is poor reasoning, but vegeta got the first hit on jiren, he overpowered goku black, he had a moment against beerus, he had two final flash moments, the whole thing with cabba, and generally wasted less time in his fights. Gohan was honestly a side character in super, except a few episodes here and there. His major moment was supposed to be getting his mystic lower back, he had his moment against dypso, he had a major moment against the 3 robot fighters, and the reason he doesn't have more is because he wasn't in most of the episodes. It makes sense that goku would have the most memorable moments, because he's the main character, he's supposed to.
Honestly they didn't even really retcon the potara earrings in Super, they retconned them in the same damn arc they first appeared in, with no actual explanation, at least they tried to better this time instead of shrugging their shoulders and saying "iunno, Buu shit I guess???"
Exactly. The idea of the fusion being permanent for a god but temporary for mortals actually makes sense, and it’s a better concept than “Buu’s stomach is weird and stuff”
Tiny Spider Productions the problem is that Gowasu explained that by just putting on an earring you can temporarily become a supreme kai, meaning no one should defuse. It would've been better if merged Zamasu just destroyed Vegito's earrings.
9: Barring Goku, everyone shown was brought back by Porunga or by Dende's Shenron. We know Porunga and Dende Shenron don't work the same as the original Shenron, so that isn't really a retcon save for Goku, who was revived pre-Porunga. Cell is FAR stronger than Piccolo, has Frieza's bullshit survivability, and the Zenkai ability of the Saiyans. Of course is regen is going to be far better than Piccolo's when he has all this extra bullshit inside him. Goku clearly doesn't look human, or at least not like a normal human. Also, none of these moments and their issues take away from the intensity of the scene. The fact that Potara isn't permanent makes Vegeta's bitching over it now unnecessary and removes the intensity from Z when Vegeta had a good reason to bitch about Potara, but decided to fuse because he cared about his family. 8: The majority of those arcs were recaps. That's 25 or so episodes wasted minus a few. They should've just recapped this stuff in a few episodes instead of wasting 2 full arcs telling us stuff we already know in a worse way. 7: Budget. Time. Either way, the show looked like ass. You don't even need to use in-betweens to show this. Episode 4 and 5 in motion look like ass. Goku vs. Frieza looks like ass. Super Tweening Shenron Botamo's Belly look like ass. And up until the ToP, this bad art and animation was consistent. Z's flubs happened every so often. 6: Cool, but all that did was make Toei look incompetent and Toyotaro look good. 1 guy manages to write a good manga based on the same info as Toei, yet there whole staff of writers made garbage out of those instructions. 5: The tournament was always going to end 1 of 3 way: >Goku beats Jiren and wins for U7 >Jiren beats Goku and handles Frieza (if he didn't already) and wins for U11 >Frieza backstabs one of them and wins, getting the wish to himself And regardless of what happens, all the universes are coming back, because Super is too wussy to kill off anyone that isn't a bad guy permanently or in a meaningful way. Even Z, with its constant revivals, could kill characters in impactful ways, and GT gave Piccolo the best moment he's ever had, sacrificing himself twice to save those he cares about and NOT getting revived. 4: "Would it be cool" is not a valid excuse for throwing common sense out the window. Z may have had some powerscaling issues, but they mostly made some sense and were NEVER as bad as Super's scaling. You didn't have someone who's barely Imperfect Cell level pressing someone who became a God, trained with someone who trained a God of Destruction, and fought 2 Gods fused together. You didn't have Goku taking opponents far weaker than him seriously, destroying the notion that he was holding back unless stated (which it wasn't). Pinwheel doesn't know what he's talking about when bringing up bad powerscaling (yes, I did watch the video). 3: Bringing back characters is fine. Bringing them back in a nonsensical way and having them do jack shit is not (Krillin, Tien, Piccolo). 2: Yes it did. Bulma's hair was PLANNED to be lavender does not mean it was. You just said they ran with blue, so her hair wasn't ruined. Trunks was always lavender, then suddenly became blue out of nowhere with no explanation, and unlike Bulma, this wasn't in concept art. This was IN UNIVERSE. His hair CANONICALLY changed from lavender to blue inside of the series. Plus the common theory is that his hair is lavender because of Dr. Briefs, whose hair is roughly the same color as Trunks. Regardless of his hair potentially not making sense, changing it was unnecessary and makes even less sense, especially since they apparently showed scenes from Z in Super where his hair was lavender. 1: Fodder victories don't count. Goku never beat anyone of importance in Super, and before you say the same happened in Z, he did beat Frieza, and at least showed he could beat other opponents, only losing because of hax as opposed to something stupid and uncalled for. He overpowered Vegeta, but he had Great Ape in reserve. He was beating Ginyu, and would've if not for Body Change. He practically killed Cell, and he only survived that because of his bullshit regen (plus he knew he couldn't beat Cell and only fought him so Gohan could see how he fights). He was stronger than Kid Buu, but needed help because he didn't know about SSJ3's limitations due to never using it for long periods of time while alive. His ONLY real win in Super was Frieza, but AFTER he let his guard down and got sniped like an idiot by Sorbet, and AFTER Whis rewinded time after Frieza won, where he stole Vegeta's kill after his biggest fuck up. Vegeta earned that victory and should've gotten it, not Goku.
Hell yea! This comment should be at the top. In this video we have shitty arguments which doesn't even match with dbz, becasue in dbz most of things are fluid and at least a Little bit logic.
Dude, he wasn't "Practically killing Cell". Its very clear that he was going to lose if cell went full power. And yes the animation looked bad, but don't blame the animators. They were overworked. And besides, it got really good in the latter arcs.
@@ProjektTaku 1: "KILLED". Past tense. As in "There was a moment where he practically killed Cell". Not "he was winning most of the fight" like your miswording implies. 2: He literally blew the whole top half of his body off which a point-blank Kamehameha. Dafuq you mean he didn't practically kill Cell? He'd have been in Hell had it not been for his hax OP regeneration. It shouldn't have needed to get better with later arcs. It should've been good from the start. There's no excuse given the IP and the company and people behind it. It's simply unacceptable for the movie recaps and plenty of U6 Tournament to look as bad as they did a lot of times (it ruined Goku vs. Frieza).
@@espurrseyes42 So what? Cell was till obviously stronger than him a could regenerate, you can't just disregard that. Goku just caught him off guard. Goku himself said he couldn't beat cell. And yes, there is an excuse. Time. Now I know your tiny little brain can't understand this, but animation takes time. The animators were overworked, underpaid, stress and had a tight schedule. So no, it isn't "unacceptable" you absolute donut.
I have used that phrase, verbatim, multiple times... “Dragon Ball IS stupid and IS FUN!” Seriously I ignore a lot of gaps in the story lore because it’s just a good goofy ride.
blow cells head away with a kamehameha wave he will tell you he cant die because the cell in his head make him regenerate..... also..he survived exploding himself too :D
I like the effort, but you're just flat out wrong in some areas. Like why Cell can regenerate his entire body, you ever notice how Cell does everyone's moves far better than they can? All but Goku / Gohan.
it's not a move or technique though: it's a genetic trait that namekians have. And in order for any namekian to regenerate their head needs to be intact. Cell's head gets blown to bits or even vaporized multiple times, and yet he keeps regenerating. Hell, before he and Goku fight he freaking mentions the head and POINTS TO HIS HEAD just to taunt and remind Goku that he needs to destroy his head to beat him!
Reason for Cell being able to use fighting techniques better than other fighters. Stronger. Literally the only reason. and yes Cell does the Kamehameha Wave better than Goku and Gohan. the actual reason Cell was defeated is because Vegeta blasted Cell with everything he had while Gohan was trying to over power him. infact if you watched the fight instead of wacking it to a picture of Akira Toriyama wacking it to a picture of Goku wacking it to a picture of Akira Toriyama then you would have noticed it very easily. infact Cell was about to destroy Gohan and the planet before Vegeta interfered. but lets assume Cell does have better regeneration than Piccolo. where the literal fuck are all the limbs Cell pulled off his body to achieve that level of regeneration? you arnt born better than others,no I dont give a flying fuck about Saiyan classes and shit thats bull shit and everyone including you knows it. If we went by logic then The Earth would have been destroyed by Cell or even Mecha Frieza and King Cold if cockiness didnt play a factor in the show.
Goku had the warp kamehamameha AT FIRST, he had the edge then. But we know Cell learned the instant transmission to get back to Earth. Gohan obviously beats Cell in a kamehameha vs kamehameha battle. The entire point of Cell + Trunk's arc was to show us how powerful the Saiyan/human hybrid combo was, and DBZ for that matter. Gohan's power was supposed to come from his human emotion mixed with his Saiyan abilities, his Saiyan abilities are enhanced with anger + deep feelings of triggering emotions..*can someone turn super saiyan by being triggered* Humans feel emotions far deeper than Saiyans do, thus the abilities to use this deeper anger for an even stronger Saiyan...Super Saiyan 2, DBZ was originally suppose to end after the Cell saga. With Gohan the savior of Earth. Cell was a shit load of different species in one, Frieza, King Cold, Picololo, Vegeta, Goku, Tien, Krillen, etc.
paulerxx I'll try to explain this for you in the simplest way possible, piccolo needs his head to regenerate because his brain stores all his information, cell can do it with just a cell because they stated that everyone one of cells cells stores all his information. You understand?
CenyTent cell does everything better. He is the perfected imbodiment of everything related to each character that is within himself. Even genetic traits such as using super Saiyan, regeneration, etc. Not just moves or techniques. Derp.
It's hard for me to look at Super; both objectively and subjectively. The first two arcs are a retelling of the movies, and while I don't think there was necessarily a better way to start the series, it severely limited my enjoyment because I basically had to sit through the same two stories again, but more drawn out and with a release schedule. The bits of filler are a nice touch for establishing context and character development for the following arcs, but it just wasn't all that fun to revisit Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. One consistent problem that I do have with the series is that, for me, none of the arcs had a satisfying end. Now, I haven't seen most of the tournament of power arc, but for every other one the end just sort of resolves itself and no permanent change happens. I don't feel like they carry any weight to them. You could have completely cut out the Goku Black arc and just went straight from the universe 6 tournament to the tournament of power and I don't think there would be any holes in the narrative. Even if you don't like an ending, they should always bring meaningful change to the protagonists. The first three arcs of Dragon Ball Z did this very well, and is why I remember them so fondly. From having an entire universe open up, to Goku's transformation and resolve to stop Frieza and the people who threaten his home, all the way to Gohan realizing that in order to protect the ones he loves, he needs to fight even though he dislikes violence. These all create significant change for the series, and make the experience a lot more meaningful the next time you see these characters. I don't think I ever felt that when watching Super. I also really enjoyed the ending of Z. I don't think we necessarily need to know how everything resolves to be satisfied, and seeing an unchanged Goku interact with his aging friends and family while also realizing that he won't be able to protect them forever was really charming. And even though we only get to see a little of Uub, I think it's better left that way.
Trunks looks better with purple hair imo, don’t really care about the consistency. If anything it’d be more consistent to just keep it purple. Really, who questions hair colors in anime? Not a Dragonball fan though, so whatevs.
About the whole trunks hair thing, I would’ve preferred if they kept it purple mostly because in Z I assumed trunks happened to inherit his grandpas hair color (dr brief) rather than bulmas or vegetas
This is by far my least favorite of your video. 1. Retcons... you ignore the context of the vegito retcon 2. Animation... you can't honestly think that people getting mad for expecting better animation is unreasonable 3. Power scaling. up until the end of the cell saga the power scaling was somewhat consistent. And as you say in your video super continues the trend of inconsistent scaling meaning that this was the apex of it. This video is honestly just a bunch of strawmen you made and your arguments against them because (im assuming) you're tired of seeing someone take a critical eye to something that see as "always being dumb" or just a show made to "sell toys"
Terrible video compared to more recent ones. He's right to an extent, especially about retcons, but he severely takes the criticisms out of context as does the video he suggests people watch on power scaling. Idk how he appreciates literary theory in others and then... this.
To everyone complaining about future Trunk's hair, you do realize you're complaining about a character's hair color in a anime made for teens... I'll never understand why people take Dragon Ball, a show that doesn't take itself seriously, so damn seriously. Just watch and enjoy it.
My main issue is that pointing out that Z made the same issues doesn't excuse the issues made in super. Retcons are still annoying to watch and the power scaling of gohan 17 jiren and frieza was still jarring
Cmon power scaling gap was never, that huge in Z, the craziest DBZ power scaling was probably Mystic Gohan and Goten and Trunks ssj, but Roshi who should be way below Raditz , participates in the tournament... and actually could do stuff is just taking it way too far, in fact freezer was already a big power scaling mess, in DBZ Boo saga. All the earthlings including even C-18 and picollo were totally left off because of their low power lvls, so yeah they're could ve been minor issues with power levels already but they just amp that over 9000 thousand. Golden Oolong could appear in super tomorrow and nobody would've an issue with that.
The only reason the gap seems big no is because this is the stronger now. Back then ssj was the strongest thing then all of a sudden the rr army somehow built androids that can wreck ssj even though the army previously only ever made kid goku level androids, even if you say they studied him thats bs because the strongest being recorded was only ozaroo vegeta. So no db has bad bigger bs. Don’t use the bs excuse that “oh that gap wasn’t as big” because with that logic dbs doing this is ok because eventually the gap in future arcs will be bigger than past scenes in dbs
the androids being capable to own ssj, is not a problem of power scaling... that is related to writing. if you feel its bs that humans can build beings so powerfull then blame it on lazy writing, that had nothing to do with power scaling, power scaling means that we know for a fact the power level of certain individual like for example master roshi, then he also said so himself during cell saga, that he wished he could help, but the power difference was too big. And then you completely ignore the character prevoiusly stated power level and just make him trade fists with jiren because why not ? at least with frieza they bothered to explain why he closed the power scaling gap as much, saying that he has never actually trained during his entire life, and that he kept all of that potential for growth, again i cant argue that because its a problem of lazy writing, not power scaling.
Trunks hair should have stayed purple for one reason. It’s the same color as his grandad 🙄🙄🙄. Has everyone just forgotten that Bulma’s dad has purple hair
I'd believe the Trunks hair thing if they also changed Kid Trunk's hair but they left it inconsistent...so why even mess with it? But hey, it's fn hair.
I mean I was confused about his hair being blue all of a sudden, but I did recall Dragon Ball doing that same thing with Bulma. Honestly it’s pretty dumb arguing about the color of his god damn hair 😂
I mean, it is nice to see a character other than Goku win sometimes, anyway. Gives me hope that maybe someday Vegeta will actually have a main-villain kill under his belt, even if it's only Toriyama throwing fans a bone so we'll shut up about it.
@@freedantheeternal Vegeta and piccolo are my two faves and they Vegeta is always second to kakarot while piccolo is seriously weak compared to ssblue evolution and kaioken
That's sad how could you not watch Dragon Ball I watched that first as a kid and when I finally got to Z it was such big OMG moment when Raditz revealed not only that he was Goku's brother but that Goku was an alien plus dragon ball is a fun show more fans of the franchise should watch it
@@grelly_chan8401 it is. I'ved ask multiple people how Goku met Bulma and they went on to say "When Goku went to Kame house." Only like 3 people replied, "when she nearly ran him over In The woods."
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It's not that it was predictable (even though it was; but then again everything is usually pretty predictable in Dragon Ball), but it was underwhelming. There never were any stakes to begin with because it would have been fixed regardless.
Well, it's kinda predictable. Because Z. We all know at the end everything would be fine. Super took place in between a 10y time skip during DBZ... And come on, even my mom knew that in the end, the heroes would revive everyone. But that's not a bad thing, imo. Personally, i enjoy the journey of Super... well... i hate how Trunks arc ended (after Trunks won against Merged Zamasu. Fuck Future Zeno and "universe" Zamasu)
Yeah, the ending of the Future Trunks arc was to put it in one word, offensive. It really is indefensible, even for fanboys that thought Super was otherwise perfect. Not only that, but it was disrespectful. It was disrespectful to the fans, and it was disrespectful to the character.
I was talking more about the video than the poll. But the poll didn't include Android 17, who actually won the tournament, so either way, it's an oversight on Totally Not Mark's part.
I don't really see the Potara thing as a bad retcon. The only confirmation we ever had that it would be permanent was from a kai who's only knowledge of the Potara came from his own experience with the earrings. It's very possible that no mortal pair had ever fused with them before, or that he had no knowledge of such a thing happening, so assumed it was permanent based solely on not knowing better. The fusion *did* end in the Buu arc, and no clear reasoning as to why was ever given, just an assumption that it was due to Buu's magic insides. This makes it an Additive Retcon, not an Alteration Retcon. It being temporary doesn't contradict anything, because we were never shown it being permanent for mortals, we were only told that it was permanent. Super gives additional information that changes our understanding of the Potara, it doesn't change the Potara itself.
Not really. Rou Kaioshin had super knowledge, he knew about everything, even about what Shin didn't. He was always the one who knew more than others. So his information was reliable. It's not truth he just said it on his own experience. He said this because he knew this is a fact. He is not real life people, whos pread rumours as facts, lol. He has just big knowledge and Super do what it wants, even if it means changing facts.
@@Netsuki it's not a 100% fact if only one Kai ever used the potara fusion and we have no other examples. Anyone can say whatever on any subject and yet they may still be proven wrong in the future. And who knows, maybe the potara earrings in Gowasu's dimension work slightly differently or were made in a slightly different way. This is in no way a selling piece of information which dictates Super as a stupid retcon, in fact, it's one of those that actually makes sense.
@@MilleniumActress No disrespect to your philosophy. But you seemed to lengthen your point by adding a very basic, and widespread fact. You put it in a very odd worded way making it lengthy. But you said that whatever you say can be proven incorrect over time. So if that is your philosophy then it needs some work. Or you should revise your methods. Because you essentially added an unneeded and already known concept, and a concept that had nothing to do with the topic. It was only said to basically say you are wrong. My logic is useless, because this one fact holds true. Which then makes the argument pointless.
*Goku gets MUI and beats Jiren* Fans: ugh! So predictable! *Goku, the main protagonist, actually gets knocked out and it's up to the iconic ANTAGONIST FRIEZA to save the day* Fans: ugh! Even MORE predictable! How come Goku never wins?!
This. The people that say Goku will win "because thats just how Dragonball is", are the same people that complain that Goku never wins in Dragonball Super.
It's actually a nice call back to the original series, goku lost the tenkaichi budokai twice and only won the 3rd time cause it was supposed to end the series so toriyama didn't want to do him dirty. But yeah goku always lost in tournaments
"They made Trunk's hair consistent in-universe" Except they didn't, because Trunks now has blue hair and the other characters act like he has always had blue hair, meanwhile *young Trunks is standing a few feet away with his purple hair.*
Lucy Phelan They are the same person though. Being from a different timeline does not change your genetics or hair color, especially when the split between the two timelines happens long after you are born.
Hair colour can change with age, my hair when I was young was a fairly light brown and during summer would almost turn ginger at times, now as an adult my hair is so dark it's almost black
Well there's plenty of reasons for this; 1 being , frieza is an alien, and 5 minutes for him could mean 1 hour in real time. He never stated it to be 5 minutes earth time. 5 minutes on planet namek can differ from 5 minutes on earth. Also for fusion being 5 minutes at that time. Potara fusion used to be longer if you remember the buu saga, however I don't think that type of fusion can handle the power of super Saiyan god super Saiyan vegito. As it's accountable more stronger than super Saiyan vegito. So it uses more of the power of fusion therefore reducing the time limit, not only that, but they have also used a ton of power. the final kamehameha and spirit sword. You might think "He only used 2 ki moves, how would he be out of energy already", because the final kamehameha takes a lot of energy. I could go into even more detail, but I think this is enough.
The Goku never wins arguement brings up an interesting point that I never thought of before. Goku is always the one people look to in order to take down Z's biggest villains, but when you think about it he only actually destroyed one of them himself, Majin Buu. Also he only actually defeated one villain unaided, Frieza. Yes I remember Piccolo stepped in whilst he charged the spirit bomb but that was just to stall him, rather than contribute to causing Frieza damage in the fight. Of course you could argue that Goku defeated Vegeta in the beam clash, I hear that's going around a lot, but personally I don't consider this a victory for Goku over Vegeta as the fight was far from over and whilst Vegeta may have sustained damage in that clash he was far from finished. In summary: Vegeta - Finished by Gohan (In Oozaru form) Frieza - Defeated by Goku unaided but finished by Trunks Cell - Defeated and killed by Gohan Majin Buu - Destroyed by Goku's Spirit Bomb (was definitely aided) He never actually defeated and destroyed a major threat all by himself, of course it still counts as a win for him and I don't mean to discredit the character (been a Dragon Ball fan for a long time 😂) but when you consider all these facts is Super really making this a new issue considering Goku's wins in the conventional sense are just as few as in Z?
@@lolcall5295 if it's predictable because we know the protagonists are gonna win instead of because we know how they are going to win then like 95% of media is predictable. Fullmetal Alchemist? We already know they're gonna find the philosophers stone, so predictable. Naruto? We already know he's gonna become Hokage, so predictable. Etc.
@@Abyzz_Knight well death note ended with light being dead. The protagonist died, in a most humiliating way possible too. That's not really predictable now is it?
@@lolcall5295 you missed the whole point of what I was saying, I was saying that if something is predictable simply because the protagonists win and because something like "the obvious bad guy was the bad guy all along!" Or "they win with the power of friendship" (looking at you Fairytail) then most media is predictable because the protagonists are going to win. We can ignore all the people they meet, struggles they face, ways the grow as characters, things they learn etc. Because they're probably going to win and that's predictable.
If they changed Trunks' hair to make more sense that he is Bulma's kid...then why does her Actual son (kid Trunks) still have purple hair? I think it was merely to sell more toys, like you kinda touched on earlier. Blue haired Trunks will sell toys because none of his toys looked like that before. That's probably the real reason.
TrueUnderDawgGaming look at bulma in the original Dragon ball season 1 epidsode 1 and then look at her hair and then keep watching she hits teens but it changes before and gets a darker tint after change from pink to blue and thats why trunks hair is blue he's older than he was in the future and it changed to blue around the arrival of dark goku (Black) and we see what we got "boom ! Thats wassup"
Naoto Neko I'll say I agree with you up to one problem about Future Trunks' hair color situation: Present Trunks is supposedly the same age as Future Trunks was at the time of Future Gohan's death, yet PT has pink hair still at that age while by the same age FT has blue hair (based on Super's flashback)
The best thing about your Tournament of Power poll is that Android 17 wasn’t even part of it, and he won, so everyone who participated in the poll was wrong. Now this is something that *isn’t* predictable.
@Conrad Kujur it was even said by whis that he lets his guard down alot because he overestimates his own power, this causes him to continuously fight thinking his opponent is someone bellow him thus...he fights without his full power.
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I'm pretty sure that when people say that the ending was predictable, they aren't referring to the winner of the tournament. They are referring to that whoever wins will wish all the erase universe back, which is exactly what happend. Honestly, the way the person who created this video brought that part up is so stupid. He knows exactly what people meant.
Read somewhere that the only reason power levels were introduced was for the bad guys to have a reason to underestimate Goku/to show how stupid it is as a concept.
@@SBaby that's not the reason, he didn't call power levels and or scaling "stupid". The power scaling in super is ridiculous, you can't say something as stupid as future trunks using a sprit bomb with the energy from like 40 people was able to cut zamasu in half who survived a final kamehameha from ssj blue vegito ever happened in dragonball or Z.
@@blaze6477 Spirit Bombs base their damage on how evil a character is, not on how big the attack is (the reason it could destroy the planet it's used on is because there could conceivably be evil people living there). That's the part a lot of people forget. Every villain that the Spirit Bomb has ever failed to kill has at some point done a face turn (at least in the anime, but the movies are non-canon), meaning that there was good in them. It killed Zamasu because obviously there was no good in him. It would have worked if it had only been one person that contributed to it, as long as it was enough to form a Spirit Bomb in the first place.
@@SBaby Are you actually serious? So Frieza has good in him? He survived. Dont try to imply or tell me that frieza has any good in him. And what you're missing is that the strength of the spirit bomb DOES matter. Frieza survived it despite not having a noble bone in his body and kid buu was pushing back a spirit bomb that had all 6 or 7 billion or so people on earth contribute to it and kid buu was still pushing it back and he is well you know PURE EVIL and it took goku getting his ki back from the dragon balls to kill him. The energy from the amount of people , plant life or any type of life does matter to the spirit bomb. The power of the bomb matters more than the amount of good in someone. And how can it happen in the first place if Trunks never saw a spirit bomb in his life. No matter how much excuses you give, it doesn't make sense. Trunks using a sprit bomb despite never being taught it by king kai or never seeing in his life and using it to destroy a body that a full power ssjb VEGITO couldn't doesn't make sense. Super sucks end of.
Ultimately I think the reason people (myself included) are angry about the Potara Retcon is because it made Potara Fusion less unique from the Metamoran Fusion Dance.
MonoHerobrine Since Freeza‘s overwhelming power lv destoryed this system already decades ago，no doubt we should never talk about power lv anymore cus no more meaning is inside it（and this make things sucks）
@@essayedgar I finished watching this one month ago and you probably got mistaken about something？It is the main reaction Japan readers had when the Pow LV went too far when Freeza and Super Saiyan come into the game.
@@buddermonger2000 if they cared about continuity they would have just left it purple. Why go back and try to correct something they should have corrected over 2 decades ago if it was really a problem?
they kinda explained it in the manga (not sure about the anime though), the explanation simply could be summed up as: "we just randomly stopped growing them".
@@charlieharrington9555 oh I see. Didn't catch it in the anime. They may have mentioned it. Never read the manga.... Sounds like another lazy Toriyama moment, though. Thanks for the info!
@@dbfalk86 No worries. Here's the full exchange (volume 1, pg. 138, panel 5): Goku: Hey, what happened to your tail? Cabba: I heard we used to have them, but not anymore. (also Toryama didn't entirely write the manga)
I think they said that they removed their tails after Vegeta fight with Cabba. I had another problem with 6th uni saiyans. They suddenly were getting SSJ and SSJ2... Come on... You don't just casually earn SSJ2 in 2-minutes fight. Lol.
@@Netsuki I think it's because they were already at enough training level to transform, but didn't know about it. You gotta remember U6 Saiyans didn't have the "Super Saiyan Prophecy" that U7 Saiyans had. The "tingling back" stuff was extremely badly explained but it does make sense in Toriyama's words
Oh come on, as soon as he appeared after being blown to pieces and he was suddenly back, who else was going to win? Goku already said he had a stupid wish and Frieza could always be wished back by the dragonballs. That ruined his whole sacrifice moment though. They could have given the wish to Vegeta cause he had the most KOs in the Tournament.
The good guys won, and they wished all erased universes back. It's as predictable as it gets. They could have gone off-road and made the grand Priest attempt a power grab with most angels backing him up, and Jiren and Goku cooperating to stop them, with Zeno promising to restore the universes if they helped him, because for one plot point or another, he can't do anything now. Freeza could have a subplot there where he's 'helping', but only waiting for the right occasion to do his own coup. They could have made Freeza win, have him wish for immortality and go from there. The possibilities are endless, but they just made 17 restore the universes instead of making Goku do it, which doesn't really change anything.
It was predictable that they were gonna wish the other universes back, we just didn't know who would do it. Anyway personally I really enjoyed Super, even more than DBZ at some points. DBZ and DBS aren't that different, but most Dragon ball fans refuse to admit that. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but DBS is the best Dragon Ball season for me. It gave the spotlight to a lot of different characters and it wasn't all about Goku like DBZ. As for the ending how can someone not like the ending of DBS, but like the ending of DBZ?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't dislike Super, but they could have gone many different ways as to how to end it. Frankly I would have liked it if they got around the ending to Dragonball Z and somehow added Uub to the team so that the series could continue. He could have started training with Uub so that he can defend the planet and then go off on his own adventure to become stronger. Then again, they could do that at the beginning of a new series, after they recap the new movie or something like that. We know Vegeta wants to go visit Universe 6, so start with that. They shouldn't just ignore Uub though. I think GT did a good job by joining Uub and Buu together but I guess they don't want to do that because of Hercule and Buu's relationship. @ pastry (6 times) At the time when he took his survey, you were right, it wasn't predictable. Just when I saw 17 return from out of nowhere, then I knew and it was predictable. I really want to know if they brought back Frost or not since he was erased directly by Zeno.
Kurtownia frieza could still get hakia if immortal period. The whole grand priest is evil shit is retarded and for goku fighting the angles we don't no if he could best berrus never less the angles which are far stronger. And the grand priest who is far stronger than them. That be like if sayion saga Goku fought kid buu the power Gap is too big
*If you enjoy Dragonballsuper that should be enough. You don’t need to defend every crappy decision the writers make and you sure as hell shouldn’t personally attack people for disagreeing with you. Critically acclaimed Dbs is facking terrible but hey I was screaming along to Goku going ultra instinct just as loudly as the rest of you. Let’s just enjoy these last two episodes :)*
Super is trash. I'll be enjoying watching the series to bye bye and not having to deal with its apologetic fanboys who reached to the deeper levels of apolgism to defend super
So I know that DBZ isn't actually that great either (I love it and it will always hold a special place for me), but I definitely don't get the same enjoyment from super as I did from z. Here are some of my personal issues 1.i know your can argue power scaling is stupid and always has been, but aspects from it in super go completely crazy to me. I understand your point in saying well the other person wasn't trying their hardest, but explain to me how master roshi performed as well as he did? I just remember perfect cell not being affected by 3 different people hitting him let the same time while he Kamehameha battles Gohan. Yet this out of practice geezer can fight the best of the best of other universes with (I might be wrong on this) more overall power. I know he didn't fight jiren or anybody like that but there fact him in specific could perform so well was crazy to me. Yamcha should have been a better choice, and then even if I accept how well he did, then how can I accept how much tien(I love tien and think he's awesome) gets shit on. This dude practices all the time we don't see him on screen and apparently he's like the weakest human. He gets one shot in the tag team with Gohan and Piccolo, and then his onee pisode to shine is him using multi form and running head first in an open field towards a sniper, getting to him, and then getting there, and still only getting a tie. 2. I hate the recaps you're right, and I know you disagree, but I would have enjoyed if they did something completely different. 3. I honestly hate most of the newly introduced characters. I like beerus(technically introduced in a dbz movie and not super but I'll count him) Hit, kefla, the brothers (can't remember off name but the wolves) Toppo, dyspo and i think that's it off hand. I honestly liked all of the black arc(except the ending) 3 this is actually one I can't fathom the decision behind. WHY THE HELL DID THEY TAKE VEGETAS WIN AWAY AGAINST FREEZA? THEY JUST HAD TO GIVE IT TO GOKU, WHY DID WHIS NEED THIS STUPID TIME REVERSAL POWER? I'm not a Vegeta fan boy he's not even my favorite character, but how did they think giving him closure like that would have been bad. He wasn't even angry, it was just something he had to do to protect his loved ones. I feel it would have been great and I as a person would have been so satisfied seeing him get that, but then they just took it away for no reason. 4. I know technically speaking the otherworld tournament wasn't cannon, but I feel there was basically no reason they couldn't have made it so tight? For the tournament of power you could have seen pikkon come back he's definitely better than krillen, Tien, master roshi, but I know that's not a fair critique. I just felt that otherworld being accessible to them should have made getting stronger allies easier. I get they wanted to make the characters we love do stuff (except for Tien because they fucking hate him) I don't know, I know there is more I have an issue with but I'll leave it at that. It would be cool to hear you respond to it
U could of just roasted them with a few words, and those words are... Can u animate a 30 minute show every week for like 100 weeks, lol, I didn't thing so, get danked boiiiiiii, jk I'll stop, I'll leave
We don't need to be able to animate an entire episode a week to be a letter to criticize it, you ignorant fool. That's why critics are critics and not animators. Your point made no sense. Also, if other studios can make it better (having less Budget that fucking TOEI had), it CAN be criticized.
"get danked boiiiiiii, jk I'll stop, I'll leave" Uh, guys, he's clearly joking. You all got trolled and the one who trolled you wasn't even aware of it
I want to know why Tien and trunks became annerexic. Look at how skinny they are compared to dbz Edit: if I get one more comment that 'toriyama changed his artstyle', I'm going to vomit. If battle of gods or super had been released with everyone having a thinner, more lanky style, than your comments would make sense, but it is only two or three characters. Look at, say, piccolo. He is basically the same proportions as in Z, while Trunks and Tien, characters pretty notable for their muscular build (especially Tien around the cell games) have been shrunk down to unreasonably skinny without explaination. For Gohan, fine. He stopped training, so it makes sense for his design to change as a visual explaination, but Tien has done nothing but trained since then
@GOLDBOND vs BALLS well that yes but for trunks i think a reasonable explanation would be that due to his timeline being in a state of HOLY FUCK most of the time and supplies being low and saiyans eating a shit ton that might have something to do with it
A simple answer would be that, back then in the 90s Anime or even early 2000s the trend was to make your characters buff such as with DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho, Ghost in The Shell, and Berserk. Now that a new generation has grown up most studios are changing their art style to fit and normalize their characters just a bit. Yes it looks weird but it makes sense to try and appeal to other viewers which may gain or lose others you had but let’s be honest, everybody is still going to watch anything pertaining to dragon ball except heroes.
@@gameordeath9464 and I would understand that if the artstyle had changed everyone in super to have that thin physique, but it is only two Tien, trunks and Gohan for a while. Tien especially was a character notable for his larger than most of the cast muscles, and it doesn't make much sense for him to suddenly be a skinny guy without explaination
Oh my god....I never realized it til you just said it. Goku HASN'T had a major victory. Even in the finale he ultimately doesn't win the tournament of power. Wow......BUT TRUNK'S HAIR WAS BETTER IN Z >:P Great video btw!
Totally Not Mark why did you spoil the ending of super? That was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. I unsubscribed from your channel which is a shame because you were my favorite dragon ball youtuber. I hate what you did here and I even had to warn my brother not to watch your video. If you see this please remove that bit if possible.
Rami Obeid he didn't spoil the ending of super, he showed a picture of fanart that is relevant to the presumed spoilers. for one, these spoilers have been out for about a month, so if you haven't heard them by now, I'd be surprised
Matt Underwood She never changed her hair colour in the Toei anime adaptation (it was just purple in the manga and the Path to Power Dragon Ball movie). But yeah fans are ridiculous.
As someone that has been watching Dragon Ball for about 20 years, I've noticed something. Some of my favorite episodes are character development episodes. One's where there's no fighting. Goku and Piccolo getting their drivers licenses? Love it. But those are considered filler episodes by most people and they hate them. I mean I like the fights but these characters are my FRIENDS. I literally grew up with them. So I LOVE those slice of life episodes where you get to know the characters better. But those are also usually the most hated episodes by other fans. It's... Weird to me. I'm one of the few few fans that prefer the slice of life episodes. I love the fights and all, obviously. I love the characters themselves more.
Gohan's dinosaur friend. I think that's all I need to say to melt some people's hearts. lol Seriously though, I agree with you, a lot of my favorite episodes have been either the slice of life, character development, or mini-arcs. And a lot of the fighting-heavy episodes have mostly been okay for me; the only ones that truly stand out in my mind are the episodes where there was more so a focus on strategy and clever technique rather than spectacle, such as Piccolo's fight against Frost in the Brother's Tournament arc, or Master Roshi's battles in the Tournament of Power. In fact Master Roshi has been given a huge amount of character development compared to recent years, which I'm grateful for because he's one of my favorites.
i just assumed magic of buus stomach caused them to seperate which super would back magic being the reason as the dragon balls are used to seperate the kais
Apologies for the non-spoiler alert title... now it's fixed. I always figured people wouldn't watch Dragon Ball videos if they wanted to stay spoiler free...
Team SMSD Don’t throw around the word ‘confirmed’ like that. We’re getting the a Super movie but we don’t know what occurs after. For the SUPER SERIES, this is it’s end.
Team SMSD *THANK YOU SO MUCH* hooooly some people are so adamant. As far as we know, SUPER is ending. Whether it comes back, in form of super, or another name, is NOT confirmed. Smh these kids stress me out
Thanks. That being said You should specify what your spoiling ie "spoilers for ep 130/the ending" ect. Instead of just a blanket statement. At least in this context. :)
About Trunks' hair, it actually makes more technical sense in the manga than in the anime. Bulma's dads hair is purple however neither of her parents hair is blonde, even Bulma's sister Tights has consistently coloured hair with hers being Blonde the same as her mothers. This isn't a problem I see though, the problem I see is Kid Trunks having Purple hair and Future Trunks having Blue hair despite being the same person and we can't chalk it down to his hair changing colour with age because Kid Trunks is almost the same age as Teen Trunks was in the Future Trunks special.
@Jakazu yeah i get being consistent, but if you dislike the show because someones hair isn't the correct color, then you're just searching for reasons, and being an ass
9:58 No......? I mean first of all, this is just a nitpick. Anybody who uses this as a real criticism is pretty dumb. But I don't see why it shouldn't be pointed out. Especially since your defense for it is because of author intent, because Trunks' hair was INTENDED to be purple! Besides other artwork Toriyama has done such as chapter covers and such, he appeared in three volume covers with purple hair; four if you count Gotenks, who also has purple hair. It probably would have made more sense for his hair color to match Bulma's, but what's done is done. The weird thing is though, they didn't even recolor Trunks for Super. Kid Trunks has purple hair, and he still has purple hair when talking face-to-face with his future, blue-haired counterpart; said blue-haired counterpart used to have purple hair in this continuity. It was hilarious when they showed a flashback to the Android Saga of Z but used the same animation, and to keep things consistently inconsistent they put like a beigey filter over the flashback so you wouldn't notice his hair was a different color. Honestly it made me laugh. Just seems weird to defend this pretty inconsequential nitpick for being more "faithful to the artist" or being "in-canon consistent", when it's not fateful to the artist and it isn't faithful to the anime. It isn't even faithful to its OWN anime! Having said that, tbh trunks looks good with blue hair and i kinda wish it was like that in the first place.
Maybe he dyed it? Or it changed colors/s Honestly though I agree, it kinda bothers me that kid trunks had purple hair when future trunks didn't or the other way around
If that's the point of changing Trunks hair to blue then why does Kid Trunks still has it Purple/Gray? Shouldn't they have changed his too from the beginning of Super?
AXL Axel I think the logic was you know how some people are blond as kids and then when they grow up their hair turns from blond to dirty blond or even straight up brown? Maybe trunks hair is like purple gray as a kid but it turns blue the older he gets? That’s kinda always been my thought behind it
there are some arguements that the future trunks we see in super is actually a trunks from a breakoff timeline of the original sometime between z and super, personally i like to think the breakoff was when gt was erased from the continuity by zeno as one of the group of universes he erased, as far as the alternate future trunks arguement, the logic goes that once z got to its end, the time line had gone so askew that zamasu decided to just try and end the original timeline before more damage could be made (but only ended up creating a new timeline himself, one where the future is invaded by him)
U totally burned the toxic people of ur channel good some people just want to nitpick and some people want dbs so to be well logical series but most people watch dbs to get fun in funny and illogical things if dbs become over logical then I say where the fun in that
Yo trunks' hair changing to blue isnt even the main point...flashbacks has it being purple still and present or kid trunks has purple hair when standing next to future trunks.. U butt
"I hate what happened to Dragon Ball! I mean, they introduced two totally random new Saiyans, gave them Super Saiyan without ANY work, and then these characters fuse to become stronger than anyone else! It's total bullshit that these nobodies who we've barely gotten to know are now outshining characters like Goku and Vegeta!" Oh, so you hate the Buu saga?
Rick Grimes as ssj3 (which they pulled out their ass) Gotenks, they were a lot stronger than Vegeta and Goku. They were on par with Super Buu, while Goku and Vegeta needed a spirit bomb to beat Kid Buu (who is weaker than Super Buu). So yeah, they outshined Vegeta and Goku :)
Jora .Dixon yeah, no for one that is Gotenks, which is a fusion and fusions, if you've ever paid attention to the show are a completely new being simply made up from parts of the fusees NOT the fusees controlling the fusion at the same time so Gotenks does not count. Oh and get this Gotenks was at full strength and max power when fighting REGULAR Super Buu, while Goku and Vegeta fought against Buuhan which is far stronger than regular Super Buu and they were much weaker from their previous fights when they faced regular Super Buu, which they do so inside his frickin body, and Super Buu is NOT stronger than Kid Buu because Fat Buu is still inside him and by extension the Grand Supreme Kai, Kid Buu is the most evil and most powerful form of the entity known as Majin Buu. So, them being stupid ass kids, them only having even half a shot against the weakest of the "Super Buus" because of fusion, which combines the max power of both fusees and then multiplying it tenfold, no they didn't outshine shit.
17 was awesome in this arc and him getting the victory was pretty cool. My ONLY gripe with it was how haphazardly he was dropped back into the fight at the last second after his "sacrifice". I feel like the way they executed that "twist" was less a genuine surprise and more of a "by the way this is happening with no set up. K THANKS BYE!" kind of swerve. XP
There seems to be quite a few people upset about spoilers in this video.... And genuinely I am sympathetic to that sentiment... But I don't know what else I can do besides put the word "SPOILERS" in the title... Honestly I am sorry that you had a negative experience with the video.
I liked your videos so I just clicked on them before reading the title it’ll be awesome if you could just say spoilers in the beginning of this video too
Totally Not Mark Bro i thought you meant spoilers for the past episodes you could’ve put “TOP spoilers” or something damn. But i mean what else were they gonna do w frieza i kinda expected it
A warning slide would have been nice before the specific spoilers. Edit: As in, this section contains spoilers - skip (or click something) to jump to a time after you are done talking about them. Or just save them for the end maybe?
I hate it when people complain about goku winning all the time, HE FUCKING DOESNT. He lost to Raditz, he only beat vageta with the help of others while vageta fought alone, he lost to ginyu, he lost to 19, gave up against cell, only beat buu with the help of an entire planet. So no goku doesnt beat villains all the time, he barely beats anyone of them alone.
Technically Gohan beat Vegeta..since it was his great ape form and later detransformatiom that crushed him into being unable to fight..Goku rarely wins and even more rarely wins the first fight against a new foe. Heck he lost the world tortament twice before he won.
Well... He had beat Jiren until ultra instinct ran out. Most of Goku loses are situational loses. He out-class Ginyu by a long shot and ginyu admitted he couldnt win. You could that a w in. Ginyu switched bodies...which I am not sure why he never did it to freeza... Even if Goku never "last hit" his opponents, you can still give it a win. Vegeta vs Goku round1, Vegeta admitted Goku was stronger. Goku vs Vegeta round 2, Goku hold back his ss3. He would of crushed Vegeta and his pride. That's 3... Goku could of defeated Fat Buu with ss3 but he didn't want the world to depend on him while he is dead. Goku vs Kid Buu, Vegeta admitted he can never catch up or surpass Goku, thats 4?
The Potara Earing is not a retcon. It was poorly explained why Goku and Vegeta defused in DBZ. They just assumed it had to do with being inside Buu's body. Super, more or less, verifies the real reason they defused. Also, the argument for Trunks' hair is bad. I get the point you made about them trying to match his hair with his mothers. The problem is that they kept kid Trunk's hair the same purple color, like in the original series. Him suddenly having blue hair when his younger self still has his purple hair is a major inconsistency.
LanClanKilla No they did defuse initially because of going inside Buu’s seeing as they wouldn’t have defused due to having too much power for the earring to handle
The way I see it, is Buu's architecture, the Body, the fluids inside, the acids, everything about the scenario is what caused them to split up... It has nothing to do with whatever else... Also, they pretty much used this as an advantage to them splitting up, so lets just leave it at that... I dunno what explanation Super gives, but whatever it is, it's probably wrong? I will look it up, but I don't see anything wrong with the way they clear it up for everyone in DBZ...
They didn't clear anything up in Z. You're doing the same thing the characters did in the actual show by assuming Buu's body just magically made them split up, with no actual evidence that it was. It was a poorly explained story element that was used to split Goku and Vegeta back up, nothing more. Not saying the explanation in Super is any less dumb, but at least it's an explanation with evidence behind it.
Nobody remembers that. I had plenty of issues with Super. Now i have a lot less after rewatching Z. Gues 10 year old me just remembered Goku defeating Buu and Gohan defeating Cell and not the crappy art in 80%of the anime and crappy writting with a buch of plotholes.
Z did re-used animation,but not like Super. Super's been re-using animation FROM EPISODE 1. The re-tellings ARE RE-USED ANIMATION. Then you get to episode 30,which turned out to be a CLIP SHOW.....clips of episode 28 AND 29. Then here in the tournament,all this time we've all been waiting to see Goku vs. Giren.....and they re-used clips from the 109/110 special,and Goku vs Kefla.
Zanthony Hill Super hasn't been reusing animation since episode 1. What the hell are you even talking about? I can't even take you seriously, you don't even know how to spell Jirens name.
Yes it has. Episode 1 IS reused animation. The first two arcs are re-used.........re-used from the movies. that's all super is... Reused, rehashed, from the get-go.
Ok....no. The reused animation in Z was VERY few and far between, and was hardly noticeable in most instances. Super's reuse is out of fucking control. If you do the math, LITERALLY HALF of the action in 129 was reused animation. That's utterly unacceptable for your climactic fight, and Z never even came CLOSE to that level of ridiculousness.
@@dule6967 cancer comment by 7 year old: DBS sucks because they look like their hair is from a Lego game and they made Goku weaker... GT Goku would beat all of the dbs bad guys
@@xxyoboigxx a cancer comment from an adult would show up "dbs animation sucks and we all known that goku will win by going ultra instict and killing the enemy"
Well I didn't liked his blue hair since I think purple looked better on him. Or I might be too much used with Z version of trunks. I think they should have stayed with purple. It's becoz Trunks is not Vegita and Bulma. He is his own character who had his own struggle. His personality is also totally different to Vegita's angry personality and Bulma's hyperactive personality.
@@rahulsar2030 trunks hair is the way it is because the manga colored it without asking what color it actually was lol. Then toriyama said wtf but it was too late lol
Honestly, this comment section does nothing but fuel Mark’s opening statement. DragonBall was never meant to be this intricate story, and while we all have a right to nitpick and complain about the things we watch there’s a point where it gets pretentious. The Krillin v. Blue Goku issue blew way out of proportion. It’s doesn’t take math equations and powerscaling to know Goku was holding back. Trunks’ hair made no sense in the beginning as it was left-field and Kid Trunks still has purple hair, but to whine and moan and even suggest dropping a series just because of a slight aesthetic tweak? (though I doubt few viewers actually stopped watching after that fiasco) honestly it’s like you’re just looking for something to complain about. No story is perfect, but this fan base is approaching Sonic fan base levels of entitlement.
+xhxxhb Dheua he used that argument to shut up people eho keep saying "Z was a masterpiece". Not true. Rewatch Z and you will find it much more boring than Super
xhxxhb Dheua Yeah I agree I feel using that Z argument at the beginning was kinda pulling since I think we all know Z wasn’t at all that much better than Super. I personally don’t know of anyone who praise Z like his example. If we’re talking retcon-wise Z had more (but it also much longer) but Super has much more glaring ones (completely forgot about Zamasu saga’s pitiful ending) I think people give Z the benefit of the doubt more though (besides nostalgia) is since while definitely there, we had such a shift in tone and inter-galactic scope that we were more immersed in what was to come than what was before plus odds are you, me along with most of the Western fan base probably found Dragon Ball through Z and weren’t constantly comparing it to its predecessor in basically all aspects. Super had a LOT to live up to from sheer hype alone when it was announced way back when. An outcome like this was to be expected, but some people really grind irrelevant shit six feet under sometimes and act as if Toriyama isn’t forgetting things on a consistent basis. If you don’t like what’s happening story-wise, then by all means stop watching. But if you decide to tune in next week like they’ll magically make up for it somehow you’re gonna have a baaad time. At this point I stopped caring about the T.o.P I’m just watching for the action nowerdays. Jiren was yet another serving of unhindered potential. Hopefully they’ll do something decent with him after the Tournament but I’m also a skeptic. God, I feel no better than the whiners look how much I’ve wrote cus of my admiration for the series 😭
+xhxxhb Dheua DBZ was boring as fuck.. Right now I cant watch it. The pace is too slow. 6 episode fights with so much staring and talking and one episode ki blast contests... Z's arc where always the same - A villain appears and Z fighters train amd kill him. The only thing Z had better than Super in my opinion is the Villains as characters. Goku black was very good but the true villain was Zamasu and he wasnt a very good villain compare to Z's ones. Otherwise I would say i get more entertained with Super. Even ultra instinct fighs are much more interesting than Z's ( excpet maybe for Goku vd Cell cause that had some good animation and choreography)
Multiverse theory. Remember DBZ. They are two different people. One can have dyed hair. It won’t affect the other! Surprise suprise. If anything, having Trunks hair also blue would make it inconsistent
I don't understand how deflecting problems with Dragonball Super onto DBZ simply because it continues and exacerbates the issues with the original show excuses it. Isn't the point of creating television to learn from past mistakes and improve? I'm not saying I want there to be much in the way of power level comparisons because that's honestly the most tiring part of the franchise, but realistically nothing in Super really hit the same strides that the Frieza saga did in terms of characterisation and narrative stakes - something the show has struggled to live up to since. There was a good reason why the original run ended with the Buu saga, so was there a good reason to bring these characters back if the showrunners can't pick up the slack and work on the issues so prevalent from that time after two decades in which to figure out what the problem mechanics were that coalesced in that arc? Or are we just happy to continue watching a show that's more fanservice than narrative and excuse its numerous shortcomings just because "Z did it first?". That's to say nothing of the lapses in visual and sound design present in the two shows. I wouldn't blame anyone for preferring mid to late Z stylization, just the same as I wouldn't expect anyone to question my love of the Saiyan/Frieza style.
Well what Super kind of does is take a lot of the issues with Z and just amp them up to 11, like the Power Scaling consistency is completely thrown out of the window, in exchange for trying to simply make the story interesting and entertaining.
They gave as even good show, but with tons of stupid inconsistencies. And no, DBZ didn't have them. They had minor things. And mainly in fillers, that doesn't even matter. DBS just flipped everything 180*. Because it didn't fit their idea. They think, they can change the existing rules. DBZ never did that. I liked DBS, but I just can't accept things they made. After Freeza actually everything changed drastically, cause it was suppose to end with Goku being dead. But then Toriyama HAD to retcon things like make more saiyans etc. Because he was literally forced to create new arc. Yeah, he could have say "nope, I will end the manga here" but would it be a good decision, really? And they didn't make much problems with the new saiyans. They created good content but it had more and more issues. For me any next enemy after the Freeza WASN'T intimidating. Cause it was about power levels. And I mean not only now, but as a kid. I never felt that #19 and #20 were that powerful. Never felt anyone else's power. Cause it was just yet another strong enemy, who hero surpasses in the end anyway.
And now, from the looks of the spoilers for Dragon Ball Super's final episodes, Goku is going to lose to Jiren, too. This show is officially going down as the Dragon Ball series where Goku never achieved a story arc ending victory on his own. Dang, he's turning into Vegeta!
I reallyy wish that someone would bring up the fact that the kais in DBZ didn't really have any sense of what they were talking about when introducinging the potara fusion. Hell he Surpreme kai had never even heard of it until the old kai brought it up. So if anything super just gave a real meaningful explaination to something that was previously a shot in the dark
I know but l liked the sacrifice of the old potaro fusion and the "shit if we do this we'll lose our individually forever us as separate people will gone forever" and the fact that it becomes useless if you are too strong so yeah fusion as a whole is useless now.
