Jiren: The Terrible Antagonist | The Anatomy of Anime 

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Jiren backstory Jiren- my family and master are DEAD Vegeta- bro I'm working with a man who killed my race

I kinda find it funny that Goku legit beat Jiren so bad he actually gave him a personality near the end

Jiren: This is my fullpower *goku goes mui* Jiren: okay I lied I was holding back again...

Jiren looks less like a villain and resembles more of a basic training character model in a fighting game circa. 1999

The first time we're introduced to Vegeta, he is seen eating *SOMEONE* he just killed.

Here’s the problem. Jirens story began 5 episodes before the finale of a 54 episode long arc

"Did you enjoy Jiren's character?" What character?

I can't believe that the strongest person in dragonball canon is the "ayy lmao" meme.

"What people tell about the character," can go a long way. People should remember the first 1/3 of John Wick was literally just everyone shitting their pants over hearing his name, telling stories about him & bringing up past stories of his legend without him doing much of anything. And it worked wonderfully, as it showed you this guy was going to eventually make everyone's life a living hell.

Who remembers the day when pilaf was actually a challenge for goku

Well, the god of destruction that cheers for Jiren is literally a clown.

And we can't forget that Jiren is Low Tier in Dragon Ball FighterZ.

TOEI, Toriyama, or whoever might be the responsible for DBS missed a great opportunity in the tournament of power arc. And the saddest thing about that was that, at the begining of the arc, they stablished a very interest concept: Goku as the antagonist of the arc, or in other words, the villain of the saga. Goku was the responsible for getting every one in danger of being erased of the existance with his proposal of the tournament. Everyone was enjoying their life at their best in home with their families and friends, than suddenly, a crazy man comes up with a competition that is going to kill all of the losers, just because that crazy one likes to fight too much. That was interest and was sad that TOEI just didn't care to explore how this change of dynamic would work with Goku facing the fact that 70 fighters of 7 universes, and their gods, see him as a VILLAIN. They just didn't have the guts to do it, right after stablishing this concept, they changed their minds and set up that the idea of erasing all the universes was already made by Zeno or the father of the angels (forgot his name) and at the end of the arc, told us about the selfish nature of Jiren, to come up with a dislikeble antagonist at the very final moments. That's lazy, sad and coward. Tournament of Power could have been memorable and was just... ok... what was at least much more than the whole previous portion of the show.

*_Jiren is the worst antagonist? I thought Prince Charming from Shrek 3 was the worst antagonist in anime history._*

I once heard this interesting headcanon that, Jiren was actually the one who unknowingly killed his family and master, thanks to his own immense uncontrollable power. That *would* explain why everyone just left him and even MORE explain why in the flashback, he’s completely unharmed when his master was killed and even MORE MORE explain why the monster didn’t just kill Jiren when Jiren walked in on him in his house with his dead family lying on the floor What do you all think about it? 🤔

Jiren would give a way better moral dilemma to goku if they had a very similar character arc throughout their lives. It would make goku contemplate if he was really the good guy in the situation

jiren was a great mystery character and then his backstory was told lol

There's nothing wrong with a character who's a large brick wall the hero must overcome. But when the character is literally a brick wall, that barely reacts in any way, they are no longer a character, they are an object.

jiren? meet infinite. Welcome to the "I'm NoT wEaK" squad.

Yeah ok, but why does almost every Dragon Ball character has gigantic holes in their ears?

How to fix Jiren: - Give him a hero treatment - Make the audience wish Jiren to win the ToP - A redemption moment for Jiren - Give Jiren a more mature reason to not Trust in anyone

I actually hated Jiren when he was revealed. His design is just a lazy way to animate someone really easily. It's awful.

I hate Jiren. He's so boring. Like, Hit's whole character is "I'm a strong assassin," but he at least looks cool and has cool powers. Jiren has LESS personality, looks lame, and has no cool powers other than "I'm so tough nothing works on me."

Also he doesn't have a gimmick fighting style like Hit.

El Hermano is a better antagonist.

I like the idea more that he’s a symbol of absolute overwhelming strength, an unclimbable wall- the idea that Whis keeps telling Goku that there will always be someone out there stronger than you They just fucked up his backstory is all

Toppo had more character with that dab son

To me Jiren was a lot more interesting when he was silent. He was ominous, mysterious, and his lack of interest in what was going on around him as well as his emotionless face made him quite scary in a primal way. A monster of power you could say, but the moment he started speaking in earnest, he just devolved into buff power obsessed baddie number 1021 and thus ceased being interesting at all.

Jiren isn’t an antagonist, he’s just a tournament participant

Remember when the newest movie made Broly a more compelling character in a few minutes? I do, it was great.

"Few characters in modern dragonball evoke more debate and division" Few? Oh, he means the Universe 6 Saiyans.

I still don't hate Jiren. And I see his heel turn at the end as him at his breaking point. For so long he must have thought that nothing could best him, that no one could threaten him. Then Goku comes along and shatters that. It breaks him and in that moment he is fueled by rage that his perception of himself is gone. So he attempts to kill Goku's friends to reaffirm his belief in himself. Everyone has a breaking point, everyone flies into a rage at some point in our lives. Even if that rage is far beyond our normal demeanor. And we do or say things we don't mean.

Jiren's entire character is that he lost his character in his pursuit of power. He's _supposed_ to have a terrible personality. People give him too much flak.

The first time we’re introduced to Kahseral, he’s saying he can’t save the universe because he’s busy saving a cat. He should have had a bigger role. Not overwhelmingly strong, but the smartest and most crafty of the PTs. He should have been the 17 of their universe.

Toppo was better He had a dynamic view change and his god change was a surprise

It was a shame to see how poorly they told Jiren's story, because they actually had some elements that would've made him a great character. It was never developed beyond one or two lines, but he was imagined as a mirror to Goku, Jiren IS the Goku of Universe 10 (was it 10?), he's the savior figure, the strongest fighter and the one the other characters look up to. The difference is that Jiren eventually lost everything and became convinced that when he cares for people, those people can be in danger, and that makes him weak, so in order to protect people, he has to become strong by himself. It draws a parallel with Goku, because we can ask ourselves "Would've Goku turned out the same if he didn't have the Dragon Balls to resurrect all the friends he lost along the way?" Krillin died to King Piccolo, Yamcha and Ten Shin Han to the Saiyans, Vegeta to Frieza, at the end of the day Goku would've been just as alone as Jiren if he didn't have Shenron.

I like to think of Jiren as Goku if Goku's never had the dragon balls. What would Goku's personality be like if the death of his friends were permanent?

Jiren is the embodiment of those Brazilian character edits from salty bet.

I never watched it. But it seems that the issue with the arc itself is the need for an Antagonist. To be honest, Jiren having the SAME ideals as Goku would be the most compelling. A character who is fighting tooth and nail for his own Universe, his own family, perhaps one of his underlings could be a son or brother. Dragonball would finally have an Arc that CANT be solved by achieving another power level and continuing the trope. It's what Goku needs: An antagonist that isn't evil. Both Jiren and Goku, with all their might and strength, would have to come to the conclusion that to save some, others must die for them to win, that to be the hero they would also have to be the villain; and that would test their morality. It could even be part of a huge action sequence. Jiren, and Goku, showing off all of their tricks, one upping eachother, until as the battle reaches it's most desperate, with them tearing and depleting each other, they realize they are both fighting for the same thing, and they realize that the true antagonist is a pair of cruel gods who have manipulated them into threatening to destroy another indivdual's universe, simply for enjoyment. They could either have a gotcha and have the gods say that was the whole point and that it was to teach Goku and Jiren that not all battles can be one by reaching a new level of power, or they could just have Jiren and Goku both achieve their pinnacle, and turrn it on the gods in an act 4 where both universes team up against them. But Jiren hating life and being a generic villain with no motivation is, like you indicated, pretty weak. Jiren NEEDED to be a family man. Honestly, he needed to be a character the audience rooted for. A likable character who was funny and charismatic. The best villains usually end up as one of Goku's friends. Goku takes the adage of "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" and misunderstands it as "forcibly make friends with your enemies".

Jiren fact 101 when jiren got his driver license he taught his car how to drive

Jiren would've been 100 times better if he had won the tournament of power but Goku changed Jiren's mind and Goku's influence on Jiren made him use the wish to bring all of the universes back

"Did you enjoy Jiren's character?" Lol what character? Jiren is a failed attempt to have a character with a Hiei-like backstory. Except Yu Yu Hakusho was created by an actually good writer.

Jiren is just annoying tbh he’s just too powerful with no explanation. Even kale and caulifla have better character development

I actually think they set up Goku being the antagonist quite well. Goku and the squad were made out to be the bad guys, and in the end Goku did cause Jiren to change. It was honestly just another one of those "Friendship conquers all, even justice this time."

Totally not mark: The Best Dragon Ball RU-vidr

EVEN TFS took a hot swing at him on their finale EP LOL

I can only describe Jiren as "Pro Wrestling Booking - The Character". He's the end game, the main event. But this is only established because other characters we are familiar with are given huge power creep (the rub) only to be immediately jobbed to Jiren.

I still can't believe Toriyama axed the idea of Jiren being the Goku of another universe. It would have been incredibly interesting and fun to see Goku bounce off a character who wants to improve and win as much as he does, and would've injected life into Jiren's otherwise dull character, giving him playful banter with other characters, while still possible to have him learn the "teamwork" lesson by the end by having him be so confident in his strength that he doesn't think anything of his team. He could be cocky and tell them they need not even participate, due to the fact that he's Jiren, he's stronger than a god, what else would his teammates have to do other than sit back and watch the fireworks? A HUGE missed opportunity.

At least the Manga had SOMETHING for Jirens “Character” to be a bit more “engaging” than how the Devs at Toei did for him, yet they’ve screwed it up at the very last second of the “Arc”.

A good way to better jiren would have been he target Goku because Goku caused the tournament of power.He could hold goku responsible for the destruction of multiple universes.

He's not an antagonist he fails at every requirement even though he's supposed to be as he's the thing that could stop our heroes from winning however, I like the way he breaks down when he gets beaten as he goes from calm and collected to irritated and hysterical

The tournament of power is a filler arc. That makes me feel better about it

One thing I will always love about Jiren is that he doesn't transform or have some giga hidden full power form, he's strong as is

Jiren is ET on steroids.

Very interesting. Oddly enough when you explained the flaws in the plot, I enjoy the idea of writing that’s different for the sake of it. They’ve clearly written plot lines that were inspired by the story writing themes you pointed out, so I think this awkward story line was intentional, which to me, is exciting.

Old video, but I think the premise is a bit off. Jiren, as a character, exists for the singular purpose of creating a scale to judge the characters against. He's not an antagonist. The antagonist of the TOP arc is the tournament itself, arguably the Zenos. Jiren exists to display that the overwhelming and ever increasing power levels of the two main characters of the series aren't this immediate «I Win» scenario. That somewhere else, somehow, there are still people who are simply stronger, without any asterisks, no catch, no disclaimer -- Jiren is, simply, stronger than Goku and Vegeta, and always will be. His very existence is what adds tension to the tournament, because from the onset the viewer already knows the show is obviously not going to just kill off the entire universe the story is based on. The question then shifts from: "Which form is Goku/Gohan/Vegeta gonna power up to in order to beat Jiren?" -- which is the resolution that every other antagonist features. It morphs into the tacit acknowledgement that the series is obviously NOT going to end in the TOP, and that if Goku's universe winning is a foregone conclusion, then HOW is that even going to happen if no amount of powerups will suffice? This is something the Super arcs have been really trying to do by introducing the pantheon -- to fix scaling. In fairness, the latter stages of the Moro arc and arguably the entirety of the Heeters arc does away with this sadly but at the time of TOP, this was very much the theme. It finally becomes about the "how", rather then the "how much". Jiren is a plot device, rather than a character. Just like the Angels, just like the Gods of Destruction. Not that I personally feel that Jiren needs more characterization, because he doesn't. He is a force; an uncomplicated example that sometimes your adversary is just *better* than you in every single way, and that's not always because he's had a more tragic background than you, nothing in his genes, not related to his race, sometimes it's not just because he's very very evil, or has more interesting motivations than you. Sometimes, you are just not good enough, period. It is only natural that most of the other characters spend a lot of time talking about him, precisely because he is such a compelling enigma. This? This is something Dragon Ball DESPERATELY needed, because it relied on vertical progression for far too long, to the point where it was already making the core cast feel unbelievable in the worst way possible. It's not even remotely relatable for characters like Vegeta and Goku to even feel threatened by anything anymore considering what they've done and seen. It's not believable that Goku's personality is, let's face it, effectively indistinguishable from how he was back in the Cell arc after everything he's gone through and the unimaginable powerups he's received since -- literally manipulating GOD POWERS at this point. They needed a solid, unmovable, unbeatable brick wall. One they couldn't just zenkai boost through. Which gave rise to IMO one of the coolest moments in the series' entire history. The entire team acknowledging that there is no beating Jiren in a fair fight, and that they'd have to find some other alternative to overcome these odds, is so incredibly unique. Goku finally was forced to do something he never has nor ever would have done before: Goku technically "schemes" to beat an enemy in a way that he would not consider a "fair fight". We went from Goku literally giving antagonists senzu to fight fairly, to him cooperating with Freeza to beat Jiren on a technicality. This is something people sorely miss from the earlier chapters of Naruto: When characters actually had to formulate strategies, to think on their feet, to overcome threats with their wit and resourcefulness rather than who has the bigger dick. Jiren did that in Dragon Ball, and he did that so fucking flawlessly. I also think you severely misunderstood the character in terms of its place in the plot. To bring up the quote you added: "Create an opponent who is exceptionally good at attacking your hero's greatest weakness." Jiren did **exactly** this. He did something no other adversary has ever done and likely will ever do. Goku's greatest, and arguably only weakness, is that his **only** tool for overcoming conflict is an unending assembly line of hairdos and powerups. If you take that away from Goku, he. Has. Nothing. Left. His stoic, self-assured, calm nature only exhacerbates this feel of fascination regarding the Tournament of Power. There is absolutely no doubts, no insecurities. Jiren is fully aware that he will win, and in a metanarrative way, the viewer is plainly aware that this is entirely true. So what happens next? Jiren is a fucking phenomenal plot device for the entire show. Criminally underrated, and a shame that the show went right back to zenkai boost fest lightshows which alternate between "I'm such a tragic soul", and "I am just cartoonishly evil". What a downgrade.

First off your channel is phenomenal. I think something to consider is that this was kind of the point. It's one of my favorite arcs because it's just a sporting event. Didn't need articificle growth and fake scary tensions. Was just a chance for my favorite players to make cool plays. Jiren I think would of been less fun if he had a personality. He was supposed to be a neutral wall. I think he uniqueness would of been lost if he was evil and needed to be defeated or would of made less fum.seeing cool.shit if we liked him to much.

I feel like with ALLLL the amazingly unique designs and abilities in the ToP, they could've picked someone less boring. Hop, Obuni, etc. Nothing against Jiren but...eh

10:24 This picture of Dr. Gero is GOLD lmaoo. I love it.

They should have combined jiren and Toppo. A super strong but quiet warrior motivated by justice, until he realizes he might lose and abandons everything he valued to become the next God of Destruction.

Jiren really isn’t a character he’s basically a machine than can make noises and punches really good and has the *literal* most basic classic stereotypical anime backstories in history

Think Toriyama just wrote himself into a corner. Haven’t had a decent natural flowing arc since cell. Dude can’t even remember his own lore a

I like Jiren, but yeah, they totally should've spend more time building up his character.

Jiren didn't get enough time for his back story, which was a terrible idea. It would've been great to see his training Regiment, like maybe he locked himself in a hyperbolic time chamber for thousands of years until he felt like he was the embodiment of absolute power.. Or maybe he has an ability to grow in power which he abused massively.. This is the problem... We shouldn't have to guess and theorize what made him so great.

Jiren is literally just a sentient brick wall

Imagine if Jiren’s character was more like Thanos: Goku uses the SSGSS Kaioken Kamehameha And only singes Jiren: “All that for a drop of blood?”

Terrible or not you can’t deny the fact that he commands presence, something most antagonists fail to do. His fight’s and his scenes alone still bring hype on rewatching dbs or watching others react to the show. Something that the other arcs fail to do on second or third rewatching.

Jiren was mysterious. We didn't know much about him. We didn't know who he was and why he was so strong. The mystery behind him is what made a lot of people get intrigued. Also, Jiren is not a villain. He isn't supposed to be. I think that was made clear throughout the arc. He isn't evil like Frieza, Cell, Buu, Goku black etc. so he's not a villain.

I actually enjoyed Jiren's interaction with Frieza more than Goku

5:27 ...El Hermano?

Jiren is if Madara came out of nowhere. Just because someone is "strong" doesn't make them interesting. They need to have an ideology and a goal to work towards.

I thought the worst Antagonist is Ribi-Ribi-*RIBIRIANE*

Toriyama just doesn't care anymore, that's why not only Jiren, but all of Super is just terrible

Lmfao even Captain Tsubasa, who is literally a football game, is SHAKESPEARE compared to Tournament of Power.

Terrible... No? Just handled poorly. Perhaps I should watch the video first. But there is something to like about him. Likely not as an antagonist though.

I feel this way about Super in general. With Whis being a benevolent character and so powerful himself, it takes all the stakes out of the battles. If shit hits the fan, Whis can always interfere and help out. DBZ was much more suspenseful because the Z-fighters were the first and last line of defense against the various threats in the Universe. There was not backup option.

I feel like the whole tournament arc would have been so much more captivating if jiren's character actually reflected someone who is completely good and heroic like his job. instead of being this stoic, quiet, intense looking guy, he would be friendly, charismatic, and compassionate but convicted towards his cause. with Goku being seen as the villian by the other universes, us viewers would feel conflicted in whose side we should choose and whose actually in the right and we'd be able to relate more to jiren being a new introduced character. To top it off, maybe jiren could actually win the tounarment but through fighting with Goku he properly came to understand his heart and intentions and decided to revive all the universes like goku wanted

You make loads of good points. I like your critiques and agree with the shortcomings of the TOP. You're right about Jiren finally stepping up as a "true antagonist" towards the end. That's definitely when he's at his most engaging, but I still find him generally intriguing for a few reasons. Something I don't see others mention at all (dare I call it the "genius" of the TOP) is that in any other circumstance, nearly all of these characters would be allies for the Z Fighters. Jiren is literally a superhero. He's a good guy who is being used as an antagonist, that's why he doesn't really want to fight any of these people. I find that very fascinating. The manga makes his non-lethal values and apathy towards the TOP much more clear from the beginning, which I again admit is a shortcoming of the anime. But once you know his values, that informs his stoic, non-engaging behavior and makes him much more palatable, dare I say engaging. He's also like an anti-Goku. Goku fights for fun, personal growth, and friends, Jiren fights only out of necessity, for justice, and rarely allows himself to trust in allies. They're also both aliens lol. I think they demonstrate his overwhelming power pretty well. He's virtually untouchable for oh so long. I like that he's such a wall. The concept of a mortal who is stronger than all the Gods of Destruction is the perfect mix of ridiculous and awesome that I can't help but love. There's a reason people make Chuck Norris jokes about him lol. Plus, Jiren has no transformations. He goes shirtless 100% full power, but this is all in his base form, which I find very cool and refreshing. (Same goes for Hit!) It really helps sell the fact that he is the strongest mortal in the multiverse. I think you admit his "villain" turn towards the end and the climax in general is good, so nothing more to comment there. I'm a sucker for stoic characters and again kinda love the moral strains that the TOP puts on all the contestants. It makes Vegeta care about Cabba, it makes Frieza have to work with the Z Fighters to survive, it makes Toppo forsake justice and become a hakaishin in an attempt to save his universe, and it makes Jiren drop his pretenses and do some gross acts in an attempt to protect his perspective of the world. It's a rocky, prolonged road, but I find a lot of neat stuff within it. I'm VERY curious to see what Jiren being more open from the start would've looked like.

Jiren: Oh are those your friends? Goku: Yeah.....? Jiren: Imma Kill em! Goku: Don’t you do it! Jiren: Imma do it! Goku: Don’t you do it! Jiren (Fires an energy ball) Goku: Dang it!

Honestly, I watched this show when it was coming out and I totally forgot about Jiren and his entire character

I liked Jiren. He starts out just there. But then when he wakes up to fight Goku in episode 109 he's awesome.

Just finished the Video. Amazing as always Mark! Hey, for the next one, could you do Buu. He’s always been my favorite and I’d love to see an analysis like this done for him.

A way to start improving Jiren's character is have Universe 7 come up against opponents that they struggle with, have then disengage through various means only to run into Jiren, actively looking for opponents to "get this over with quickly", who proceeds to no sell every technique that made Universe 7 struggle.

I wonder where Super Eyepatch wolf got it from that antagonist is "One who initiates change" since: Antagonist Definition. In literature, an antagonist is a character, or a group of characters, which stands in opposition to the protagonist, which is the main character. The term “antagonist” comes from the Greek word antagonistēs, which means “opponent,” “competitor,” or “rival.” antagonist /anˈtaɡ(ə)nɪst/ noun noun: antagonist; plural noun: antagonists 1. a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary. "he turned to confront his antagonist" synoniemen: adversary, opponent, enemy, foe, nemesis, rival, competitor, contender; Meer opposition, competition, the other side; rarecorrival antoniemen: ally, friend, supporter 2. Biochemistry a substance which interferes with or inhibits the physiological action of another. "LSD is a serotonin antagonist" This would mean a protagonist, would possibly be loosely translated to one who would stop change, but in that sense, rather than a protagonist having to rise to take action. Which... would mean not all protagonists would be considered heroes then. One could easily consider a protagonist to be a villain then. In this context, Jiren would be a protagonist to stop the change of his universe being deleted. I don't know, I feel the term "loosely" has been exaggerated quite a lot, which ends up changing the whole meaning who is the bad guy and who is the good guy. Still enjoyed the video. 👍

i personally found jiren extremely cool and although i do agree he shud have been involved in more , i think that it was fine to have him as a "passive antagonist".

This arc supposed to be Goku as antagonist and Jiren as protogonist. It is started like that. They gave us hints about a warrior so strong fighting for justice. And goku was shown as a villian at the exhabition matches. Even goku said "Come at me with everything you have, i will defeat you!" This is a line where a villian will say. After tournament started it all failed somehow... Jiren should have stepped up the challange. True redemption of goku should be winning the tournament and reviving everyone.

I like Jiren. I REALLY like Jiren. But, his lack of build up before the ToP seriously hurt his character. Because of the way his early scenes were handled, it's very difficult to see the subtext of his character, actions & scenes. He started incredibly stoic, said almost nothing, and wouldn't so much as bat an eye at his surroundings. But through his fights with Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, and 17, he changed in very compelling ways. First, Vegeta's never give up attitude prompted Jiren to give him open praise. Something he never did to anyone else, until the finale. Then, Goku & Vegeta's teamwork cracked his stoicism. He began to verbally lash out at there efforts. Next, Goku's mastery of Ultra Instinct shattered his emotionless demeanor. He was put back into his old state of helplessness. A state he threw away everything & everyone to never be in again. After living his life in the pursuit of absolute strength for emotional self preservation, Jiren was suddenly matched & bested by a man driven by friendship. It was a proverbial slap in the face & dismissal of everything he ever suffered through. That's why he lashed out at the spectators. To prove his point that friendship is fleeting. And this was all capped off with Goku, Frieza & 17 last stand. Them breaking his energy barrier like glass symbolized him finally dropping his stoicism. He finally understood the value of comrades & others. Not to mention the friendship him & Goku struck up as a result. This is why I think Jiren is overall a good character. He had a Rocky start, but after a little digging, you'll find his gold.

Alternate telling of TOP: Jiren is a superman esque good guy who begrudgingly takes part in the tournament to save his universe. He immediately dislikes Goku for initiating the tournament and sees him as an enemy. They establish that, just like universe 6 and 7, the pride trooper universe and it's sister universe (magical girl universe) are both aware of each other AND have a strong relationship. Jiren remains mostly calm until his sister universe is erased after the final warrior of the universe is defeated by Goku. Goku says something like, "they were strong" with a smile on his face (Goku plans to wish all universes back from the start). After seeing this Jiren snaps and the rest of the tournament is Goku and Jiren falling in and out of conflict as they both get stronger

I completely agree with this video analysis. I found the story of the tournament of power arc very compelling. The actual situation that 10 teams get put into this situation which is controlled by a higher power is a good story because it is one that a person can identify with from his own life and it masterfully set up the question of who is villain and who is hero that everyone has to answer in his own life.

Your story analysis is MAXIMUM

I really enjoy these more analytical chracter pieces you've been doing as of late. They're quite unique in the DB creators community :D

"what if we made another Broly but instead of screaming he just doesn't do anything"

3:53 You made all of us low our volumes, you got us well lol.

I actually like Jiren. He’s not the generic cliche bad antagonist that is evil and is pictured by killing like vegeta, frieza, cell, buu and black. He’s a hero and a better one than Goku that was shown to help his world with the pride troopers. The absolute mystery behind his abilities is what make the audience explode around the world (the good way). First time I saw so many people watching in huge screens the final battle and wanted Jiren to be defeated finally. It actually worked perfectly with Goku too, finding a wall in front of him. Not all antagonists have to be like the books that you always depict in your videos, as if if there is no other way to create an amazing story.

Just to point some things out. Amongst the hate for Jiren, i wanted to say that fuck Jiren is very well written when it comes to making a character feel powerfull. The best moment being when he WELCOMES the Genkidama and let's it happen. This has never happened before, really never. No one said to Goku "Throw your Genkidama, i'll wait for it". This was a staple of the Genkidama, it always succeeded at leaving the guy destroyed (yes even Frieza) but this time, not a fucking mark. So the argument of not having a good "show" about his strength is kinda weird + I think you were a bit unfair on Jiren. The first apparition made everyone hype, i still remember it now. This onimous aura around him and just him meditating (which we have only really seen Piccolo do and it was a tastement of his wisdom ) just made him look very very very strong and wise about it. His second appearence as he said " Get out " to Goku, with a surprising speed made him feel even more powerfull and scary. If you take Jiren as the embodiment of strength, you can enjoy him so much. (also btw his story is kinda if goku never had the dragon ball to ressurect his friends) How he "shatters" everything emphazises his strength so much it's maddening. So in my opinion he works fully well as an intimidating opponent, he just needed a better motive and story.

I struggle to even call Jiren a "character"...he's a plot point that just kind of occurs during the story. He's "big numbers!" in humanoid form with 0 personality or anything else to make him interesting.

I love Jiren. He's not like the other Villains. He's the most human of all the villains. He's been betrayed by trust so therefore he puts up walls. He's not as straight forward as other villains bent on world or universal domination/destruction.

Actually U7 did mostly steam rolled the competition, having eliminated all universes and 70% of the fighters. That's what made the ToP lame.

Jirens "character"?