I’m a 30+ yr. G.C. in FL. IMO, the roofers selling metal roofs with “Lifetime Warranties” are slick salespeople. The majority of them read “Lifetime Rust Through Warranty Only”. Screws, fasteners, boots, sealants, metal finish, wind damage to rakes / flashings, etc. are not covered very long. In my area, the average roofing company might last 15-20 years. My primary Sub did above average work, had been in business about 30 yrs. One day they disconnected the phones and closed up shop without any notice, making all warranties null and void. JS
No one wants to pay for lasting quality but love to cry and acted surprised when the shit goes bad or doesn't last. And unfortunately even the ones charge more don't do much better.
Common sense people the fasteners are going to wear out hot to cold gets brittle makes for alot of problems. I'm totally against exposed fasteners systems. All your historical homes were put with lead head nails In top of the ribs or standing seam that's why they are still here
Very good points. The other issue with the fasteners is that those do not look long enough to anchor the fastener to wood. Flashing on this building is horrific to say the least. There's more caulking on that roof than what a typical Home Depot has in stock. The caulking does not look to be UV resistant either.
I'm a roofer, every roof is custom. Metal or shingle. Poor workmanship is right. And I might go thru 1 tube of sealant on a roof . Most of the time it's just a few dabs here and there. I got guys that don't think about water flow. So I handle the load of flashing,
👍 took the words right out of my mouth. I'm no roofer, but as a rancher I have put on a couple dozen asphalt and metal roofs over the decades. Only when I was first learning I need sealant. After that.... With that said nothing is better than the weakest link. And in construction it often starts at the foundation. If it's out of square you'll fight everything after that. I wouldn't want to deal with anything after someone else has been there. I've seen the crap people pass off as professional work.
For starters, its corrugated, you're putting a couple thousand screws Through the roof. Nothing is lifetime,, better off with a 1" dbl lock standing seam, everything wraps itself. It'll last a minimum of 50 solid years when applied right.
Drink every time this guy says "custom or lifetime" no such thing as a lifetime steel roof. Most guaranteed don't extend past 15 years and the service life of galvanized steel is generally 30 years. Copper zinc or aluminum would be considered lifetime.
If galvanised iron is painted both sides it will extend the life of the roof but no one does that to my knowledge. No such thing as a lifetime guarantee but depending on how well the roof was installed the weather and how well a roof is looked after with painting etc it will extend the life considerably.
The valleys that terminate behind a vertical wall should have been reframed. A perfect flashing job in that situation is still going to be marginal. This job was Florida but imagine that with snow and ice
I noticed that, too. A valley should never terminate at a wall. Years ago, I had a roofing job that had one of those, but it was an asphalt shingle job on a plywood roof. So I made a little cricket, a piece of plywood that went from the corner of the wall up about two feet on either of the roof planes, and covered it with double-coverage roll roofing that went up the wall a bit and up both of the untouched roof planes. The geometry looked kind of messed up, but it ensured that there was some kind of roof pitch, instead of a dead-end horizontal area. I ran the roll roofing up a ways, and overlapped the shingles onto it. It didn't leak. I also made sure that the siding guys held the siding up a bit higher at that point. None of this showed from the ground. "Can't see it from my house."
This video is 4y old. You actually could have been on my metal roof today with my son and myself. Every issue you discussed except sealants is present on my roof.
5:45 is a great demonstration of the zing metal roofing screws with the cap that covers the gasket compared to the bog standard hardware store metal roofing screws. It's a damn shame they didn't use all good screws in this roof, aside from all the other issues, because the zinc screws look almost like new.
Stutch screws are pretty basic knowledge. On my firstmetal roof I told them to send me everything I need to install and they send me screws, stich screws, the grey ducing, the roof cap ducking to install under the cap and I figured it all out myself. 18 years now and it's still strong even after about 5 strong Louisiana hurricanes. Only problem I'm having is the valley flashing is beginning to rust and I'm debating on what to use to paint on it. Roofing tar, paint or cold galvanize.
This is a shocking installation by cowboy tradesmen - here today gone tomorrow. I have been repairing my own roof and I have found shortcuts such as an internal galvanised iron gutter which wasn’t painted properly and the laps were not painted. It was heavily rusted but luckily I was able to treat repair and paint to stop it rusting through otherwise once it fails water pours inside. It will be quite a job to replace it as the installers even nailed roof batons on top the gutter. In the summer I will seal it again with a special bitumen type seal made for the purpose and then paint for UV protection. Should always paint the iron (unless pre-painted) where it overlaps both sides and also the underside at the edges where water flows into the gutter. I have found due to wind and capillary action water blows back on the underside of the edges and that is where rust is often greatest. So if you lift the roof, carefully check and I would always paint the laps and edges again before replacement At least if I do it I am responsible for my own work.😮
Metal on shingles is a big no no! I'd rather lose a client for being cheap and not wanting to pay for shingle removal, then ruin my reputation as "Professional" roofer. You know dam well that roof is going to leak a couple years down the road but you're more worried about a paycheck than a long term reputable career.
Nothing Lasts a Lifetime ! custom or not everything needs Preventive Maintenance. Definitely had a Laugh at around 1226 when the new boot was sitting on the roof in a unopened package for 10 years. everything can be fixed including this roof. Problem is whomever has Been there has been going to home depot amd has no clue how to fix it. Guaranteed this roof can be fixed for half the amount of a new one.
Lots of great points. Wealthy folk just keep signing the checks. Sad folks do this to other people who can't check this stuff. It's GREAT that their are other American's who do GREAT craftmanship and couldn't do it otherwise! Be skeptical America, They are out there!
The best way to save that roof cheaply would be to elastomeric coat it using fabric mesh to reflash all seams otherwise its a total redo. Ive fixed metal roofs using elastomeric coating with long lasting results, sprayed on with a Grayco airless. Obviously the metal installer was a nut but the roof could be saved and that coating holds up and can be reapplied every 5 to 10 years with 0 leaks.
@@jonnydanger7181 ive done it on several metal roofs, its absolutely bullet proof and will not leak. Millions of RVs use the same stuff, it works, youtube it. In the southwest its even better being white it reflects 100% of the UV which equals a cool roof.
Just had Hy Grade Roofing install a metal roof at my house. Worst decision I could have made. They promised to install the roof in 4-6 weeks, of course they were late. When they finally showed up without the proper equipment and damaged my property. They are really proud of the “Quality Audit” that they do, but of course they won’t give you a copy of the audit…lol BTW -the “Quality Audit” they did at my house consisted of 2 guys coming over to pickup the leftover junk they left at my house for a month. They never even went up on the roof! Save your money use someone else!
You know as soon as you turn off the camera your going to do exactly what the building owner wants. Quick cheap fix. Like the 20 other roofers that worked on that roof...
Guys if you are professional and the costumer wants an unprofessional job done you walk away. If you remove shit with shit you will have shit on your hands. Just walk away if your professionalism doesn't feel right.
I’m a professional metal installer , we install 21 inch traditional standing seem meant for homes or businesses . Silicone isn’t a permanent solution . When you have penetration from the thing that holds the roof to the roof they ware out . The little rubber grommet, if over or under screwed will fail and 90% of the “ roofers “ have no clue how to install , also the biggest rule of thumb for water shed is the top always overlaps the bottom . Nice video .. also why did they use multiple panels .. it should have gone from top to bottom
I hope the owner was able to get adequate compensation from the people that did this job! If you don't know what you're doing you should not accept the job. They should be responsible for restitution for such a shotty job. 10 yrs old! I'm sure this costs thousands of dollars. Unacceptable!
If you're an owner you need to hire an roofing consultant or professional roofer that is not your contractor to do the inspection. If the owner had he/she would never have these problems. The contract wasn't very well written. Too often this happens and the owner gets screwed. Protect yourself up front. Hold a portion of the money until a proper inspection is made.
Stick with architectural shingles which everyone knows how to install and which are fairly easy to repair. YT videos consistently demonstrate that too many firms selling metal roofing do not know how to install it properly. A metal roof is a gamble.
There is one major failure you didn't point to. The screws should not be in the valleys. They should be on the hilltops. In Australia, that would be an immediate fail (and yes, I do know that some American manufacturers allow it, but it's just dumb).
so hard to trust any contractor these days..... when something is covered up, painted or on the roof, in the attic, behind a wall.... you just don't know....... do you ?
Theres no such thing as lifetime roofs. Even heavy gauge standing seam is a 40-50 year and your insurance in florida may send you a non renewal at 20 years. Maybe you could argue a copper standing seam is lifetime, sure maybe but its price prohibitive.
Ummm....that's not a lifetime roof anyway. I'm assuming 30 to 40 year guarantee on the metal and unless you use high life fasteners (the head caps the washer better protecting it from weather and extending the life of the seal on the screw) the screws will only last about 10 to 15 years. Boots are specifically made to rely on the sealer it just has to be done right. You are right about the rake at the beginning though. And about customization. Correct installation is key
I bet money the building owner did this hinself because he didnt want to pay for it to be done. That looks like a classic DIY without doing any research.
I would bet money the roofing owner was directly involved in every one of those shortcuts. They take advantage of people that they know will never go up on that roof and inspect their work. I don't think it's a matter of not having the right tools, materials or management, it's a shady owner that don't give a shit, I live in a small town and in 30 mins could have every tool or correct piece of material to do a better job than that. I'm going through something similar to this now where a family member asked me to look at a 70k roofing repair on their buisness, that is leaking everywhere a couple of weeks after completion. I know nothing about roofing, but I've learned alot over the years about the questionable character of some individuals when they know they aren't being watched.
No way that rubber boots sat up there for ten years either 😂 it even looked new. The metal blew off on the edges but boot stayed for ten years lol. Other than that, ya, pretty shitty roof.
Fine i get it, i was screwed. But how do I find someone who will repair it properly. As you said, most companies dont want to touch a disaster install.
He keeps saying “lifetime“ but even if all those issues were fixed on that roof, it stilL has exposed fasters, which will fail within just a few decades.
The word lifetime in this instance refers to the lifetime of material used. I guarantee my work for 2 years, the materials speak for themselves. yeah, nothing lasts forever, but the amount of time it lasts should be determined by how long the material lasts, not how long the shitty job that was done here lasts
I tell home owners if you think my bid is to high call the cheapest guy and it will cost you twice as much!! Trust me! If you're patching you matching or your hacking
Horrible roof, agreed. BUT. For all you property owners out there... FFS spend another $300-500 and have the job inspected by another company for crying out loud. Have the damn city do its job, and do a final inspection before you pay for this work
I wanted a steel roof everyone Is getting these. Standing seam Is great but it was twice as much as shingles so I went with that and It does look better
This roof is actually pretty sad.. I was thinking it was pretty poor and then you showed the top of that valley. That was definitely not an experienced roofer, more likely some kid that just started and nobody taught him how. Couldn’t even be bothered to use the right color caulking, or a good elastomeric caulk.. what a joke
@@corysturgis6660 I know a lot of what seems to go on around me is that these companies will hire young guys for pennies, show them nothing and throw them at a job like this, they sometimes try but don’t know how or any better
@@corysturgis6660 definitely. I like to think most business owners want things done right but too many don’t bother to check the work as it progresses or after it’s done
You keep saying make sure they have all the right equipment and tools but if you know nothing about a roof how do we know who the hire that has all the right stuff?
Read the directions, think, care about what you are doing. Metal roofs are not difficult but take a different skill set. Our first metal was mostly installed by our 16 year old that was 14 years ago no problems some errors but no problems.
We had a metal roof installed 14 years ago due to excessive troubles with shingles blowing off in storms. Shortly after the installation the company went bankrupt due to the recession leaving us with no warranty or support. Some of the things they did are questionable and have led to some chronic leaks. The panels were put down over the existing shingles as they were in good shape, no underlayment was used. The first storm that hit after installation resulted in large leaks, rain caps were not properly secured back to the vents and boots around sewer vents all leaked, they also failed to seal all the other vents properly. Later I developed a constant leak on a sewer vent, down near the eave and about 18 inches from a valley, not the best place for a vent to be but I didn't build the house or do the plumbing. I had a local company come out to see if they could find how the water was getting in under the panel. they said the boot needed to be replaced and had the gall to send me a bill for $800.00 for a $10.00 boot. The area still leaked, I refused to pay them as they would not stand behind their work. We looked at installations that this company had done and talked to their customers, and all looked good, but I don't think they did a class "A" job on my house, they skimped on a lot of things. We paid a lot for this roof but got second class work. We are retired individuals in our 70's living on an ever-decreasing income and cannot afford to rip this roof off and replace it with a new one, so I am constantly replacing screws and doing what I can to keep it from leaking. All of the roofing companies I have had conversations with were only interested in ripping me off and over charging me, so I will live with what I have as best I can.
Couldn’t watch the video because the camera guy loves the man’s face, except I’m not here to look at him, I’m more interested in the ROOF and what the man is talking about.
I’ve never installed a metal roof. But, I sell metal roofing. Even I can see how horrible this roof was put on with just the basic training we receive at work.
I bought a roof from Mueller. Standing seam. They had a list of people who they said were trained by them to do a standing seam. I fired them in about 2 weeks. They had no clue, no idea, never seen, a standing seam roof. Horrible.
No screw down roof is lifetime.. stop saying lifetime on this system.. even a standing seam isn’t lifetime but it might outlast some homeowners..and all metal rust no mater if it has coatings and finishes
Lifetime means the lifetime of the material used. If u buy a shingle with a lifetime of 20 yrs then the lifetime guarantee is 20yrs. After that any leakage doesnt fall on the installer. It's important too not be cheap and buy good material
If there were strict codes on metal roofs and all roofing period it would run all the garbage out of this business. Might cost a little bit more but so does a mess like the one in this video.
you say to pick a metal roofer to do the job. . ... A metal roofer DID THAT JOB . . . you are not saying what you really mean . . dont blow smoke in people's eyes . . just say what you are afraid to say . . . . . " contractors will do shitty work " . . . very few do good work . . .
I have seen plenty od videos recently roofers slagging each other off over methods ect so hows about less toys out the pram more lets see you PUT IT RIGHT Custom Bahh PROVE your words simple as . ALL TALK and NO action just like ALL ROOFERS anywhere in the World quite the BULL PROVE you can do a better job quit slagging everyone off because you are not getting the jobs you want that is what this bullshite boils down to PROVE you can do a better job IF YOU CAN and its not all HOT AIR .i dare you
your camera man needs to get closer to the issues you are talking about, by the way many companies don't check the finished work. they are more interested in taking your money, city codes only gets involved to get you in their files so they can increase your tax, they dont give a shyt how the job looks at the end
