Go go Tynan! Nice to see a real engineer doing this, makes it give me so much more confidence buying one of these overly complicated printers. Welcome!
@@Nobody-Nowhere I've had three of these contraptions, all having to be built from a kit...trust me, they're overly complicated and need to be MUCH simplified to attract the non geek....even most geeks I know avoid them still. This is a nice step in the right direction though (at least the prebuilt one) so there's hope.
I want to see a 3D printer gauntlet like the team do with laptops and GPUs as now it's almost viable in every price bracket. Also love to see another engineer talking about useful terminology. Would like to see more of Tynan
I have an MK3S+ and my experience with Prusa has also been very good. If it weren't for my chronic laziness I would have ordered the upgrade kit by now. I think if you're weighing up the pros and cons of this printer vs its competitors, Prusa's ongoing commitment to providing an upgrade path is a pretty big plus in my opinion, as well as their commitment to open source which I think lies at the heart of 3D printing/making, at least in my mind.
Yeah, I am an international student doing PhD in US, and I have used many different printers including Prusa Mk3S+ and I would love to buy and try the new Mk4 but the question is if you already have a Mk3 or one of its upgraded versions does that really make sense at that price point compared to buying a new Mk4 next to your old one just for an additional 200 USD? I feel like if you already like printing and have no problem having another one it makes more sense to buy it as a separate printer, as the upgrade to Mk4 kit sounds a little too expensive as well as it renders your old one(or the rest of the parts you will be left with) unusable that it does not make sense. For another 200 bucks you have another printer as well as keeping the old one.(The old one being a Mk3 as well so that is still very good)
@@gokalpcetin2769 Yes I'll admit I have struggled deciding whether I want to buy the full MK4 instead of the upgrade. I don't really need another printer, but not having to disassemble most of the existing MK3S+ definitely appeals to the lazy part of me that I alluded to above. I'm in Australia though so I think the price gap is a little wider I think. I'm still not sure what I want to do.
@@gokalpcetin2769 In my opinion, the better choice is to buy a new Mk4 kit and keep the Mk3S+ as a backup printer. It's the kind of thing that you might never know you want or need until you have it. Like if you're in the middle of a 20 hour print and find you need a little 30-minute print for something you're working on. With a spare, you don't have to wait until the next day.
They were really awesome until recently, i think the only reasons why you should buy one of these is because of the customer support and the upgradability, thats it. Bambu Lab as an example has the X1 which has a few more features and also amazing print quality for not much more or the p1p which is also an awesome fast printing machine.
Not sure how amazing is to charge 3x what the kit is actually worth. They sell the same overpriced printed year after year, and rely on sos media advertisement like this to fool people to think that their printer is the only one that actually works. While its the same printer that everyone else sells for 100-300$.
I got my mk4 a week ago....absolutely loving it. I decided to stick with prusa because of my previous experiences with the company. I love the customer service, I love the reliability, I love the future upgradability.....for example for £400ish I can upgrade my mk3 to a mk4. No disrespect to the bambu.....heck, I will probably pick one up at some point.
With 3D printers where you will see software updates over the life of the produce it might be a good idea to state or put which version you are reviewing. This would allow a user to look up what has changed easier. Also what Slicer version would be nice even though I know it is not the focus of the video.
I bought a P1 P and it came with a few problems. After about six months of going back-and-forth with tech-support, I filed a charge back because they weren’t fixing it would take a week back-and-forth between messages. Last weekend, I upgraded my Mk3s to a MK 3.5 and the Wi-Fi module didn’t work. I spent five minutes in a chat and had the missing part here in three days. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade and definitely a much better company to work with Not to mention, the print quality is just so impeccable. I’ve got mine die in like nobody’s business. The bamboo I had was ridiculously hard to get good prints out of. Constantly shifting lines everywhere. The worst vertical seams I’ve ever seen on a 3-D printer. And the stupid idea of poop shooting out of the back so I have to move my desk to get filament. Eventually, I cut it out so that the filament ejected underneath the bed or it makes more sense but that piece of crap is gone. Prusa Still has its quirks but it’s a much better company and a much better product. I don’t care if it takes extra three minutes to print something. Not to mention, I can’t even hear the printer when it’s running.
Wow it printed out of the box without having to buy a new bed! Sure wish my ender 5 worked out of the box like that because mine was entirely useless with about a centimeter deep valley in the bed... And then the broken extruder before I finished the first spool of filament... and the pressed on gear for the extruder stepper motor that can't be reused on an upgraded extruder... and the factory bent z rod that leaves waves in my prints... and the included sd card reader that melted after 5 minutes plugged into my pc... You can't really go wrong with a Prusa though, I am always impressed by those machines.
It’s interesting that he said the Bambu has been inconsistent. My p1p has been a fantastic printer. Very consistent and dimensionally accurate after some tweaks in the beginning even after moving with it twice it is still very consistent
We have a MK3S at work and upgrading for better Z-leveling would be really good, especially if it can be upgraded to support 2+ filament colors without having to manually swap so we could embed text of a different color than the base.
Tynan misspoke. You would still need to buy an MMU (Multi-Material Unit) for this MK4. It does not auto-swap between 2+ colors out of the box. The MMU is also available for the MK3S. No need for an MK4 if that’s what you’re looking for.
@@bacon.cheesecake It really isn't worth upgrading, because the price difference between mk4 upgrade kit and the whole i3s+ set is 170€. In one of those cases you have a bunch of perfectly good parts left over.
Indeed, everyone is raving about the Bamboo and very likely will overhere as well. But the major difference those people never talk about, is the support Prusa gives and the fact I can completely fix the Prusa myself, with whatever I want. When Bamboo or Prusa goes bust, the Prusa printer will be servicable for a long time. Most people don't even need bigger volumes, but are clearly taken in by the shiny Lidar tech and such. Tech that basically does the same as what the MK4 does, without a Lidar. When input shaping is activated, it'll be plenty fast for most and more importantly, with good quality. If you really want to push the speed and care a bit less about quality, you definitely need coreXY. However, again, I won't get into a Bambu, but built a Voron (and yes, that's a challenge and not for everyone, however, also totally servicable by me).
Been wading through a new 3D printer vendor(s) for the last few weeks. We’ve printed resin for years, but during “the great event of unknown origin”, our previous vendor folded, and we’re finally running out of spares and hacks to keep their sw going. So the Great Search began for both filament & resin printers. Long story short, as of tonight, for filament, going w Prusa cause of 1) security 2)support & 3) reliability all key priorities from our perspective. Hopefully the MK4 will live up to those. For resin, leaning strongly at this point towards Elegoo, in large part as it’s my understanding they can be air gapped, both during running and for firmware upgrades similar to Prusa. Well, here goes… As always YMMV. Just sharing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Have a good’un!
Donated my 3s to my grandsons school. They are making course material for their school year, they were very happy to get the printer. JUST ORDERED MY MK4 today! Can’t wait!
Prusas Design has proved incredibly Reliable and easy to maintain. I think, also the latest iteration of their i3 design, is worth every buck. Question is, if you want to try Printers that have improvements compared to Prusas printers that haven't proven as reliable yet. A very huge + on Prusas side is also the ability to repair or replace Parts this easily. Also the countless amount of docs and blog posts on how to take advantage of every aspect these printers have to offer is unmatched by the whole ecosystem.
Currently running a heavily modified Tevo Tornado, (CR10 clone) and eventually hoping to get a Prusa printer and make the Tevo a large nozzle rig. While there is definitely a lot of competition both in the low cost and premium markets, I still love that Prusa is just _solid_ and generally a great company that I can feel good about supporting, and know that they'll continue to support their products and customers. Plus they come with gummy bears. What other printer comes with gummy bears?
Slightly off topic but I did a search to find more Tynan appearances and found a video from years ago titled "Tynan Stack - CHEK Conference 2011". Is this a very young Tynan?
From another review, I believe the replacement beds don't come with all purchases, they just added them in for reviewers. Kind of misleading if true...
Reliability, Consistency, and Support aren’t generally things that any RU-vid video will show, but that’s what sets Prusa apart from the cheaper machines. Sure, my Ender 3 Pro can print parts that look just as nice as my i3 MK3S+’s prints, but getting to that level takes a lottt more dicking around than with a Prusa machine. If you have extra time, a cheaper machine might work just fine, but yeah - with my Prusa machine, I just have the confidence that it’ll work. The Ender machine needs pretty regular tuning. My Ender 3 Pro is a dedicated CF-Nylon machine now.
I upgraded from ender 3 to Prusa mk3s+ and sure both printers can print the same things, but Prusa is complete product and ender is not. A lot of the time I had to fight with Ender, figure out why the print is failing, struggle with adhesion problems, wish there was easy way to swap filament, wish there was a way to detect when filament ends, make sure the bed is leveled correctly (had to change springs as the default ones are junk). A lot of that can be fix and added, but why reinvent the wheel? With more expensive printers like Prusa or Bambu you generally don’t have any of that problems. It is mostly feature complete and hassle free. This is why you buy more expensive printer.
What, you don't love spending three hours wiggling an index card under the nozzle and trying to decide if there's just the RIGHT level of friction against the bed and then printing your 32nd Benchy Blob?
I have an Anet A8 that I converted to AM8 for the extruded frame and I gotta say, if I where to replace that and go more hardcore into 3D printing Id get a Prusa printer. Several of my friend have them and are super happy with theirs.
i do have a 3D printer. Actually i have a few of them but the one i use the most right now is my bambu labs A1 because I dont have to get up to do anything with the AMS lite system other than change a spool when im done with it lol. I set it and let it go. And its fast so i cant complain about that either
Very nice video guys, well introduced for those who don't know prusa or 3d printing and want to have a start in the world. Tynan seems a nice host for this kind of stuff, happy to see. PD: I imagine this is how Linus talks when he explains something to somebody with no cameras around (in that case his tone is all over the top).
I would have liked to see you cover the wifi connection more and what it can do etc. Dose it have a webpage, can prusa slicer upload and print over lan etc
Prusa is great, I have a MK3S+ myself. Probably make the best consumer printers on the market however... Recently they've been suffering from what I like to say too much success and have really been struggling staying open with the community and having great customer support like they used to. Months of waiting to receive your printer after paying all while keeping you in the dark most of the time. With all this being said there's not really another company out there in the market that is doing any of this better unfortunately. I'd still highly recommend them but I think people should hear both sides, the good and the bad prior to making the decision to buy. A lot of these reviews never bring up the negatives because they get priority compared to your avg Joe.
The paying upfront part isn't great indeed, I'm witnessing that as well right now. :) They have clearly taken too long for this MK4 to get out, but I can still wait. I wasn't sure what printer I would get for a few years, but since the pandemic and seeing their response to that, they won me over easily (apart from what the printers are about, which are great).
The Pasing upfront isnt that Bad. It IS Not a Kickstarter Like a Lot of Others, and you can Always cancel your Order. I Wish they would ship faster, but it will get there.
It would be worth noting for those of us who upgraded to a E3D Revo 6 Nozzle that the Revo is NOT compatible past 3.5. If the nextruder is involved, you can't run the revo.
Revo is awesome. I never really swapped nozzles before getting mine, but now I’m constantly swapping to a .8 for Vase Mode/stuff that doesn’t need any fine details.
I have been working with electronics and tech for 30+ years, and every time I think of buying something, the first question I ask is - Is there a way to customize the product, hack it, modify it to my needs. 3D printing has been a game changer for customizing just about anything, and Prusa making their printers mod friendly is just one more plus on the plusses. Go Prusa 🥰
@mortenkallesen923 lol exactly my point, either you buy a prebuilt printer where the hardest part is picking the first thing print. Or you build your printer from the ground up over time with your own customizations and barely print at all.
Cool to see you guys covering stuff in this space. Would love to see more coverage in the 3D printer space outside of just another Bambu labs thing. Like very popular open source builds like the vorons (or voron kits)
I don't think they will review a voron since they would have to spend a lot of time on one video. This probably doesn't make sense for them to do. I really hope they do though.
@@mariospanna8389 The problem with the X1 is that it is almost completely proprietary. This is a massive change from what the community is used to. That is why some people don't like it.
Proprietary is bad for the consumer because it locks you into the manufacture. If that manufacturer goes out of business or stops supporting your printer it becomes a paper weight.
@@AugiesHobbies so if I just want to print, it just works? I use linux daily and i don't want to play with my 3d printer. Any good channel for new person thanks
I hope the LLT Labs will have reviews and thoughts on 3D printers ... I know Dan likes the Bambu Lab's they had a while back and I know Prusa seems pretty good as well .. For someone looking to buy a 3D printer and start learning them I have no idea what to pick ... Dont want to be cheap but also dont mind spending a little extra for something better ..
If you want to learn about 3D printing, then you really can't go wrong by getting a Prusa kit and assembling the printer yourself. The very process of building it shows you how it works, mechanically speaking. And the reliability of the machine means you won't be spending your time just trying to get it working properly.
@@TrueThanny Thanks Thanny for the information ... It just seems so confusing at times because there are so many different printers out there today ... and I know Dan really likes that Bambu one .. I also heard Elegoo was good too ...
He mentioned that any feature that is rumoured will be implemented but their track record for that in particular isnt all that shiny. I'm looking at you mini+ who didn't get the promised wifi for multiple years and still don't have skew compensation.
I love this digging into the printer. I have an MK4, so I'm not sure why I clicked on the video in the first place (other than "LTT, MUST WATCH" subliminal messaging being successful). But I certainly haven't taken my printer apart. Cool to see!
I have a Mk2.5S + MMU2, and a CR-10S. I am happy to see 3d printing starting to make some major changes, as it'd been pretty stale for a bit with the same clones coming out in the $500-1500 space. What I would really love is for a 3rd party like E3d or Microswiss to offer aftermarket load cell hotends that I can retrofit onto my cr-10s and/or for Prusa to let us update older Prusa printers with the load cell hotends. Please let us get out of bed tramming hell, thx.
I got a Makerbot replicator 5th gen free from work, and while the quality and convenience features do make the Prusa look like quite a big upgrade, I don't know if it's really worth $800. At that point I'd be saving for one with a larger build plate and/or a dual extruder to do PVA support
Just DIY upgrade your Prusa MK3 with a RasPi 4B running Octoprint, webcam and 4”hyperpixel touchscreen with OctoDash. Remote print, control and monitor from any where over the network and never need to transfer your gcode files to the printer using sd card or usb drive. It even comes with AI failure detection on obico plugins. Imo bigger upgrade than MK4. A must upgrade for all Prusa owners.
I have a MK3S (previous version) and bought the kit to save money. I had never used a 3D printer before, or assembled any kind of machinery. I got it set up and working first try. The documentation is amazing and support is always there if you need it (I didn't). They also included gummy bears as treats for reaching build milestones. It's a fun weekend project to put it together. Now I'm a mechanical engineer and use the printer almost daily. 10/10 would recommend.
very good video! I have been using an ender 3v2 for over 3 years now and this would definitly be a solid upgrade for me. The Bamboo looks nice with all the fancy features but their ecosystem looks very closed as opposed to Prusa where you can pretty much do anything you want.
I Just switched from an ender 5 pro to a mk4 (kit). Took me 8 hours to build and my god the ease of use and quality of the prints is even better than i expected. Sure the build Volume is small(er) but everything else makes up for it.
Would love to see more focus on the accuracy of the prints on 3d printers moving forward. I have a crummy 3d printer and don't use it much because I can't rely on the prints being accurate enough for engineering purposes. i.e. I try to print parts for building robots, and at the edges, my screw holes could be a couple millimeters off. Knowing how accurate it is on larger objects would be great.
