@@ReverseGuy Thanks for clarifying bud! Yeah, it's super fair to have AIs that can play perfect games and calculate hundreds of moves ahead in like a second thrown in in the same category as a human playing chess. I think just everyone forgot about it! Chess would probably be so boring for a perfect AI, that it would hardly be considered "playing" anymore. They would play a perfect game everytime over and over again. Human and AI playing chess shouldn't even be compared buddy, you would have to be a cyborg to even have a slight chance of even accomplishing a draw against AI.
@@shoganflamemasta3975 Nah you just have to be a crafty human to win, Jon bartholomew has a vid on his channel where he beats stockfish. To draw or win consistently though is a different story
@@mrhellothere4143 They need to show the woman interviewing the man who interviewed carlsen then include clips of carlsen interviewing the woman who interviewed the man who interviewed him.
@@shuutsukiyama1553 He is the world champion since 2013. So yes he was :). "Magnus carlsen is the top chess player in the world" first sentence in the video btw lol.
@@TheRonlat I think the video had been filmed before 2014. Because in some part of it, they say his age and he was younger that how he supposed to be in that year. However, even if he was world champion by the time the video was film, it doesn't mean he wasn't a prodigy. Prodigy: a young person with exceptional qualities or abilities. Just like Carlsen.
@@shuutsukiyama1553 Ah yes indeed it was 21. He was the top chess player by rating but not yet the champion my bad. I read his biography just to be sure. Wow ! Honestly I think he is the best chess player there has ever been. Bobby fisher was also amazing but his career was short.
+partykrew666 You also have to consider chunking. If I wrote "sdf sdh fjk hsfs" you might have trouble remembering that. But if I wrote "FBI CNN USA ROFL" you'll have a higher chance. I'm able to remember over 1000 numbers using this trick and I'm not gifted. He's played chess thousands of times so specific chess positions to him can be as simple as remembering a word.
@@GyariSan1 Maybe, but humans have a way of appreciating historical magnificence, even though its found ways around it. Even tho an army of 10000 men with modern equipment could take out Djenghis Khan´s army at that time, it dosent mean that his accomplishments are without value, or foreign to appreciation.
When we watch Fischer - Karpov - Kasparov era with my chess friends, we were sure (and happy), we are watching on three best chess players of all time, including future. The Magnus Carlsen came and we have to change our oppinion.
See I have a similar ability. But rather than chess, or math, or science or something useful I use my memory to remember Spongebob and Rick and Morty quotes so that I can whip them out in my daily life.
First time I ever encountered a serious chess player: I was playing a game with him (I'm hopeless at chess, but he wanted to play) and we had to interrupt the game. I said it was a shame we couldn't finish, as we were putting the pieces away. "Don't worry", he said, "I know exactly where all the pieces are, we can pick up another day." He later said he remembered all the moves we'd played as well. I was gobsmacked.
@Anime Sucks yup just realise that my little brother have this ability, I was gobsmacked that when I accused him of cheating in chess, he literally replayed it bit by bit
For top chess players remembering moves is like remembering what someone said or like understanding a topic that your teachers explain. They've been so exposed to it that it just comes naturally.
"do you every stop thinking about chess?" "sometimes, but right now i was actually thinking about chess" ... "and you were thinking about... specific moves, or...?" "ya" the cost of greatness
is it a cost though? That's what makes him happy. That's his enjoyment. If everyone else enjoy traveling the world, he enjoys traveling the variations of chess.
@@henryh8479 and we never will understand and comprehend the beauty of chess as much as he does. I don't understand the idea of "cost". He never lost anything. Life is about focusing on what you love and having fun with it. If you have no interest in playing computer games, is it a loss that you have never appreciated the beauty of computer games? No.
@@shapowlow life is all about cost. by making a choice you sacrifice all the other options. every time. but i agree with you, it is his choice and he doesn't regret it. he doesn't need pity, because he's alright.
@@henryh8479 There is no cost. This video unintentionally tries to portray him as some sort of autistic savant but he's a pretty normal dude minus being insanely intelligent if you watch some other interviews.
What he said about just "knowing" the right move and then taking time to calculate is actually very similar to what my Linear Algebra professor and Physics research mentor have both said to me. They said when you get good enough in your field, you will often find the right answer very quickly because it "feels right". But it's just intuition and it can take a long time proving it. You have to check it. Sometimes it turns out your feeling was wrong, but a lot of times it's right. Interesting parallels.
The good news is that everyone can learn the same thing or be an expert in a field but will take a ton of hours practicing for other people and some even faster. Once you establish the connections in the brain from system 1 to 2 based on the book thinking fast and slow, you will have already the pattern and the intuition. Make sure that the intuition will be validated by system 2 ( more focus and more thinking part of brain) if its correct. The intuitiin feels the same thing as muscle memory. The 2 systems said earlier is the easiest way to describe the thinking process of the brain.
It makes me think about the dozens of geniuses and prodigy kids that grow up and makes their life without realizing there was something called chess in their childhood.
When I play chess I have to keep reminding myself the horsy goes L, The tower is straight, The sharky is X, and that one of the pieces in the middle is OP and the other is poo.
“Chess is all about deception” that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard I’ve played a lot of chess, “chess is all about forcing your opponent to not have any good options”
Except that he has played probably more than 2000 games each having dozens of moves meaning different dozen positions per game. Remembering one of them is like remembering what happened at the a random 12th minute of the birth of your 2000th child; if you can remember that child in the first place.
I used to smoke everyday or every other day. I haven't smoked for about a year and my memory is already 10 times better than what it was while I smoked. Weed aint so good as it's made out to be. Your better off without it. 🙄
+Derek B (DerekTheArtisan) actually, you cannot explain how the mind works. You can explain how the brain works. You can watch neurons fire and hook up sensors and measure which parts of the brain react to certain types of stimuli, but that is not explaining how the mind works. In relation to this video, we can see which parts of the brain react when Magnus plays chess, but we cannot know what he is thinking and/or how he is calculating information - that is the mind working.
the subconscious network "learns" sets of inputs and knows the output already. He has probably made the same moves before or been in a similar game state before and knows how it plays out.
Rodentsnipe This subconscious stuff reminds me that classical research of conditioned responses with animals (ex: dogs starting to salivate in response to a bell).
As a norwegian, I'm so proud to have Magnus Carlsen representing. I think that in several hundred years from now, a lot of our winter sports stars, footballers and movie makers will be left in history, but I think that Magnus is the most remarkable living Norwegian. He will be remembered among the likes of Herik Ibsen and Edvard Munch. A brilliant young man...
Well.. I am happy he is around. But... I dono, it feels rather strange to be proud to have him representing anything. Its not like I have any right to any glory he gets. Just like how he eating will not state my hunger, any gains he gets. No matter his skills. It can not be added in any way to my record. I suppose I am a bit split on the being proud of something your nation has done. Even more so something soneone else in your nation has done. But I do see what you are talking about. I am just unsure if it makes sense. XD
Being proud of something like that isn't (or doesn't have to be) the same as taking credit for it. It's a very primitive understanding of pride. Pride is, in fact, a deeper feeling. Just because I'm proud of my father (for instance) doesn't mean I'm saying it was me who shaped him that way. Pride is a sense of attachment and resulting obligation. Not necessarily the "I caught most pokemons of all!" type of pride. Quite similarly, "good taste" also has deeper meaning apart from that something is delicious... Our culture is increasingly more infantile, and it's getting more and more difficult to explain these things.
His ability doesn't come from "another world"; his skill at chess is a combination of incredible memory, spatial reasoning and pattern recognition at the highest level, and, lastly, hard work and determination. Many great chess players have this combination, i.e. Bobby Fischer.
+Potato .Farmer good luck remembering 1000 games of chess at once. Unless you missed the part where he actually didnt look at the chess boards while playing...
his mind is probably 10x times better wired than the normal human being minds and his chemical brain transmissions are way faster than normal, that's how he can recall information really fast, and replay a full game in half a minute GOD GIFTED once I tried to replay a game on board, it took me half an hour to remember!
This is the thing with high IQ individuals, hard to impress, it's like they are living in a whole other dimension, very dedicated to their craft and really fun to be around even so! Props to Magnus, great human being!
To be honest London is not that interesting.. gloomy weather and old architecture.. i'm sure he seen more beautiful views in Norway and they have great infrastructure too
"Chess is all about deception." Clearly the corresponded does not know the game very well. "On the chessboard lies and hypocrisy do not survive long. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of lies; the merciless fact, culmination in checkmate, contradicts the hypocrites." Emanuel Lasker
00bikeboy I couldn't agree more. I'm only an amateur player and even I know that Chess is logical. It's not something like poker where it relies on emotion and bluffs. I couldn't help but laugh when I heard him say "Chess is all about deception".
ShdwSrpnt As long as you play with people emotions are always going to be involved. Poker is about making the best call using the cards you can see to understand who has what, and to make people believe you have something else most of the time. Which can be irrelevant if luck plays out. Chess is about who can see more in deph and who can judge the valor of pieces and positions. Chess is deceptive in the sense that who can see more and better wins. Poker is goofy imo because luck can play its part and everyone goes nuts. You act like a robot and all you gotta do is wieght probabilities vs investment's pros and cons. A game of poker can take forever without skill. A game of chess has no turning back. It's do or die, It's an eye for an eye.
Chris55433 The point is that the poisoned pawn and the gambit aren't hidden. Everything is there on the board, for both players to see, as long as they can see far enough. There's the famous case of Marshall waiting years to spring a "trap" on Capablanca in 1918, but the wily Cuban refuted it over the board. So I would say that although they may be attempts to deceive, in chess where nothing is hidden, the better player sees further and demonstrates that deception is really just an illusion (or self-delusion), as Lasker points out.
Can remember over 10 thousand games. Tries to fool him with the most memorable game of his life. smh Evan I knew it was Carlsen Kasparov before he said.
Noone can. It just clicks into your mind, and you know the correct move, but you can't tell yourself why it is so good, or what the correct move is. As each move he makes, his mind subconsciously remembers evert move he has seen, and which ones work and why, and then each move comes into a single set of moves. Like each move he makes is completely unique. So he never makes quite the same decision because each game is slightly unique, it is slightly new because the game before effects his decision making.
Well unless he volunteers to get his mind picked by scientists (i think he has on some minor things) I doubt anyone will. Lets just say that he has a great mnemonic tool to remember all those games and he is a brilliant strategist to say the least. Never been interested in chess, but that may be because even at easy the computer beats me every time. When it comes to chess I am at the bottom of the bucket. My mind works better on other areas. ;)
I thought the video described it pretty well. He has exceptional memory and analysis skills that he uses in chess. He also never quite leaves the board, always planning, evaluating and thinking.
@@princepsangelusmors well the term "all" is assuming that every single game is based on gambits when really its about just making the move that works best
@@princepsangelusmors yep they are a thing but most of the time both players have studied the gambit lines and are aware of what playing into the gambit or declining the gambit results into, so gambit is technically not a deception at all
+BlueEyesWhiteBoy chess is about decieving the other player in what he will think you are going to do, so the deception is in future moves. Nothing is hidden but you can distract the attention of your opponent.
Magnus told us that he can remember 10,000 games that he has played in the past. Me: Forgot to turn on charging switch and come back 2 hours later to see.
"chess is all about deception" -interviewer mm, I dunno about that. at a low level, you can deceive people with tricks, but as you get to higher level, people don't really miss on threats you make. at that point, it's more about making threats that your opponent simply can't answer without creating weaknesses in their position (or just can't answer at all)
@@ucanthandledatruth01 That is traditional thinking but as man's understanding of chess evolves, particularly with powerful engines often coming up with superior moves no human would consider, the belief that moving first is an advantage is falling by the wayside, not completely, but most masters don't see it as a significant edge anymore.
To trust culture is to sacrifice your individuality, accepting that you are nothing but an animal, willingly and unknowingly allowing the political elite to be your masters, you are slaves.
It's common for geniuses to not remember having even made any mental calculations for arriving at the answer. He even related it to immediate "feeling."
It's like asking a boxer if he thinks about how what to do every move or where to land their punches. Most of it is instinct and habit, built upon 10,000 hours of experience. They can get it wrong sometimes, but in longer time controls in chess you have the time to check your moves or come up with better one. On the other hand, in boxing you have many moves to make so each individual mistake is generally not too costly to the match.
@@Danuxsy yeah that is amazing in itself but think about the fact that he is able to remember one random game of the thousands of games he has played over many years easily just by seeing the position
+Ramiro El Gáname well - here is a thought. The brain actually does work in a sort of gradual process of data crunching and evaluation against known or innate reference points. Unconscious thinking, which precedes and always underlie conscious thinking takes vastly more data into consideration than consciousness does. Conscious (convergent) thinking is biased and localized and processes as I recall around 60 bits per second, which is about the amount of information in a sentence or line in a book. The body, prior to that, processes more than 11 million bits per second. This process is unconscious (divergent) and delivers cues and results to consciousness that feels like intuitions, but which are really the result of experience and complex processing. If one has an amazing memory and the experience of 10.000 full chess games - great intuitions are very likely to arrive as a result of unconscious processing. Unconscious processing - being more openended and wandering - may sometimes benefit from a round critical conscious evaluation, to sharpen some aspect or other, but really the amazing part of the job has already been done. The rule is in fact: If you have a lot of experience within a field (a well trained unconscious) and if your mind has been presented with all relevant data in a thorough and focused way - the intuitions that follow are likely to be the best course of action, especially so when dealing with complex issues that require the delicate balancing of a wide array of factors. This guy has very special abilities of course but the fundamental principles are not magical. He draws from a vast nonverbal, sensual well of preexisting knowlegde and his conscious and unconscious mind is highly trained in all relevant thought processes. It stands to reason that "just knowing" would be the result. We all experience "just knowing". If you are good with words and you need a rhyme your unconscious probably just delivers one. You did not consciously consult a long list of all related words that you know and then deliberately pick one. One came to mind. Maybe several. "I thought of a rhyme" you'll say as if it was a systematic and calculated process. But really you asked and it was delivered to you. And then you took credit after the fact. You can then check against your actual memory and make a list to see if it was the best rhyme for the occasion. But your mind was already full of the occasion and primed for the task. So most likely the brain gave you the rhyme in question, either because it was obvious (cliche) or for more complex, and partly or wholly unconscious - but occasion-relevant reasons.
Look, this guy is amazing, no doubt. But if you are going to be in awe of someone and say no one else can do what he does, you cannot then be astounded that he played 10 games blindfolded. Great grandmasters of the past have done that with 25+ blindfolded simultaneous games. Many of the times it was against strong competitive players. The record for blindfold simultaneous games stands at 46.
Look up Fabiano Caruana, Nigel Short, Gata Kamsky, Garry Kasparov, Bobby Fischer (the list could go on) All were capable of doing this as early as age 16 and even earlier for some.
Paul Andre And here come you and dont even fucking read my post. I was commenting about the way the COMMENTATORS were astounded that he could play 10 simultaneous blindfolded games. That this in itself was an almost unique feat. My criticism was levied at the people who made the video not at your golden boy. I even acknowledged that he was amazing right at the beginning so even the most rabid fan would not misunderstand what I was trying to say. And then came you. Peace.
1:24 - If you keep playing enough you get an instinct, lets say you do enough patterns you then get situation were you know what the patterns is. It's a bit like muscle memory. In that you learn what those patterns look like and then you just do what you're suppose to do in that situation, now the only reason to calculate this is to make sure it pans out like the other times you did something. Basically if you do something like tic tac toe, and you do it enough times you just know what you should do, if you do that with chess there is way more variables so it's not as simple, but the more you do it the more you get an instinct and the more it just makes sense to do that move. However there is limit to this, if you play people that realise this then they will try limit how you learn and only do things in such a way that it is hard to over come this situation, I don't know how to explain this. So basically if you play AI it will not try limit it's move to make it hard for you to learn. If you play yourself over and over you will not limit your moves to stop yourself learning. But once you repeat and repeat and practice and practice you will get an instinct in most situations as to what makes sense. Also if you look at history as in look at all the championship games you can learn how champions think, so the more you study, the more you play an opponent not intentionally losing, or intentionally doing limited moves, you will learn a lot fast, as in play strong AI, and as long as you practice over and over you will gain an instinct as to what to do next. Obviously Magnus Carlsen can do this at a high level, most likely from practising a lot or studying a lot, or maybe he just naturally sees patterns, and so he can get this instinct a lot faster then most people. Also Magnus Carlsen has a great memory, I'm not sure if that is because he just focuses so much on Chess. I can remember old memories I like and around the date it happened. Maybe he studies over his old games like he would championship games, and so he would remember when it is. But still that is very hard for most to do, and obviously I think no one can really learn to have a better memory.
@Kilo Mintoni Well there is some things you can do to improve memory, but it's limited, so no one can learn to have a better memory to the extent Magnus has.
I think interviewing the host of your own show is a weird device, and hearing his thoughts on Magnus instead of hearing more from Magnus was a distraction.
Chess is all about deception? Huh? Poker is about deception. Nothing is hidden on a chess board. It's so appealing to many because it's a game of pure skill and complete information.
Right; there's nothing directly hidden, but there are certain moves which can play on a particularly material hungry opponent. That being said I think they're way out of left field saying it's *all* about deception.
Actually, deception does come in play in Chess. There are moments where you might bait your opponent into making a specific move, make him think he got you by surprise when it's all about making him place his pieces in a specific place. While the pieces are all laid out on the board, the intentions, on the other hand, are not.
It is true, nothing is DIRECTLY hidden. It is all there, plain to see. The trick is SEEING the future. The better players SEE more than the average player...potential moves in the future. There is no deception and that is why it is such a beautiful game.
Why did 392 people dislike this video? I honestly think that dislikes just come from random children on the internet.. babies and toddlers who can't read yet.