you should release the shattered Elizabeth theory, because even if it isn't true, every theory can help further discussion so that we get closer to the truth. But besides that, I'm just really interested in the idea and want to see how you support it.
I was away on holiday when the leaks for Dittophobia dropped. Typical, a potentially lore altering story that could solve nearly a decade of anguished hyperfixation and I wasn't even in a house with decent enough wi-fi. This franchise actually has it out for my mental health.
@@smt64productions40Not Remnant, Remnant was a solid thing introduced in the games before it was in anything else, even the books. Remnant was first mentioned in FNAF 6 before any other references to it in the books. All the books did was help explain and give exposition into how Remnant works in the FNAF universe.
@@JFTArchiveremnant still fucked up possesion in fnaf, before the robots just have ghosts and are cursed, but fnaf lore needs to be complex for the sake of being complex, thats why remnant and agony are difficult to explain
While I'm here, the "there's something bad inside me" line of Baby's reminded me, do we have any inkling as to what Michael was waffling about when he said "I put her back together"? Because to this day, I see theories of it and no one's really got a concrete answer.
we dont have a canon explanation. I could imagine putting her back together was more so about freeing Elizabeth, maybe he repaired her into scrap baby before she disappeared. With a Fuhnaff theory I've seen, it could be that he removed the AI conflicting with Elizabeth's soul, putting her mentally back together. I'm just suggesting random things, though.
Honestly, only explanation I've been able to think of (besides Elizabeth being split between the Funtimes like the video brought up) is a weird convoluted MikeVictim thing where William used Remnant from Elizabeth's death to revive Crying Child and he's returning the piece to her in Sister Location, but... I don't like that, it feels too much like fitting the evidence to a theory instead of the other way around. But I've got no other ideas either, which is frustrating.
@@lewstherintelescope but tbh i don't think putting her back together means in the literal sense cause thats something presumably william (if you believe that fredbear plush is him in fnaf 4) says to BV but BV at the time doesnt have any way of being a shatter victim because even proving that he actually possesses any animatronic is tricky enough on its own let alone multiple. and there is also the problem of how would william know that something like that can happen so early in the timeline. and in fnaf world (if you believe the glowing eyes is charlie or the puppet to any extent) she says im gonna put you back together and in that game the meaning of that is setting up happiest mini game or putting his memories back together or freeing him or probably all of them combined. so its really hard to argue that the line means anything specific when it has proven to be used in multiple different contexts that all allude to it meaning something different
Well you’ll notice baby refers to Elizabeth as a separate entity and has memories of her own. So maybe she’s talking about Elizabeth possessing her. And then post sister location in fnaf 6 baby refers to herself like she IS Elizabeth. So the thing that got taken out was baby’s AI? But why would that be bad? Was Elizabeth tricking us into giving her full control of baby? And what about “I put her back together.”? Does putting her back together mean giving Elizabeth “life” by giving her full control of baby and getting rid of baby’s AI? Then this means putting someone back together is giving them life through possession. Then there’s fuhnaff’s theory about baby having an ai chip with Charlie(?) in it that conflicts with Elizabeth? Idk
@@alexoxo1 "And then post sister location in fnaf 6 baby refers to herself like she IS Elizabeth." Not exactly-in her monologue, she says "Now we can do what we were created to do", which only makes sense if she's still speaking as Baby the murderbot (also fits with Henry's speech). There might be more Elizabeth in her than before, but might also be that the Funtimes view Afton as a sort of father since he created them, I think there's some ambiguity in that regard.
I don't know if you simplified the drowned girl thing to just "solve the maze, save the princess, collect the treasure" or if that's the only 3 things she says, but all 3 of those things describe the zelda games to a T
What I think is the most harmful thing right now is that NO ONE has any idea of continuity or canonicity of any event anymore. In fact, it's probably the most discussed thing. Because there's a simple matter of order of factors here that by simply existing changes order of events and possibilities. Where my mind stands on this is: Up to FNAF 4 we had one story. Scott was afraid it was going to please people enough, so the next few entries was jankily adding to it to fluff it out. In an attempt to write a book that makes thing make more sense, things became even more confusing, so now we have two continuities that kinda tell the same thing in two different ways. If it ended there it would be fine, but FNAF wouldn't stop blowing up. The Steel Wool era of games is another layer to that. Because it's clear (to me at least) that Scott did a soft reboot now with funds and a competent team alongside him to actually be able to tell the story he wants to tell that puts the first two tries as a "it wasn't... or was it?" level. And then even more books on top of that that do the same thing to it. And we're gonna have a movie that will do the same again soon. So if we have like 6 different sources trying to tell similar things and each is a different way of doing almost the same thing, and all of them have to be vague to more or less confirm or at least not deny the previous one, you can see how that snowballs out of control in a hurry. This that feel similar are similar for a reason, but things from different "continuities" will *never* explain things from another continuity. And that's what I think is ruining things now and making it so confusing. You can't use a book that is building on top/over Steel Wool to explain things from Phase 1 Scott or whatever you wanna call it. It's like 4 steps removed at this point. It's literally like a game of telephone. What I think most people that talk about FNAF in a head canon/theoretical level need to keep in mind is that an explanation of previous things with new information can only be as good as "in the ball park of" and never one to one.
I would like to add that Yandere Toy Chica indicates that William may have initially planned to build a perfect child for himself by taking parts that he liked from his victims; but over time, he became more addicted to killing for the sake of it.
@@the_flipside_world it's confirmed by being blatantly obvious, one of the way she plans to kidnap one of her classmates is exactly like how Afto lured away Susie
The shattered Elizabeth theory sounds absolutely awesome and it fits so much into the interpretation of William as a twisted, fucked up but incredibly tragic character.
Only a few minutes in so far but I think I know where you're going with this and holy crap yes. This bothers the shit out of me. The Drowning thing actually DID get me. I was so certain the story was about Cassidy because the leaks really made it sound like that was a huge focus of the story. It was only later I realized how stupid and off base that theory was. And yeah, Dittophobia already has this same problem, maybe worse. AndrewMM was bad enough without adding RoryMM to the stupid theory pile.
For the new books to be seriously canon and important to the old plot it would either have to mean that the entire story gets basically completely retconned every single fucking time a book comes out and theorizing about it is meaningless, or that Scott is some kind of mastermind 24D chess master writer who created a story that puts Bungie's Marathon to shame.
47:30 Tim Drake is the one you're thinking of. lol I love how wrapped up you got in which one it was. I mentioned on another video how people made the assumption that Mimic was going to fully become Burntrap in the final story and wear Kelly's body, and that goes well with what you said here about people using whatever is leaked to fit a certain narrative. Especially one, as in this case, that doesn't even turn out to be true.
Fun thing about the Dittophobia gas: Supposedly 'fear gas' was featured in Help Wanted 2 according to a leak, so this might just be where the lore is headed. No ghosts, only AR and fear gas.
I mean. There still are ghosts, I think? From fnaf ar with bringing in the remnant to the dlc of fnaf Sb having the security nodes which could be souls Regardless though while yes fnaf is leaning more toward ar, fear gas and mroe tech stuff, I feel it all has a good explanation
I want to read books without spoilers. So, my pet peeve is that I have to avoid all of the videos using info from leaked books. Which sucks, because I like these creators and I want to watch the videos. And, by the time the book comes out, I usually forget to go looking for those videos.
To continue on the note you left of with Mike doing a trip to the bedroom for shit and giggles, with no dream shenanigans (which seems to be the case for 4 regardless of Tales's canonicity), it straight up has the FNAF1 phone call playing backwards in the Bedroom sections, meaning that 4 is a post-FNAF1 Mike ("a recent dream" if you believe he's answering to that and not Cassidy on top of that, meaning that 4, SL and Logbook all follow each other really close for it to be "recent" by the Logbook's time). It also means that if 4 happens before SL, Mike has already been in the Rental before actually visiting it in SL since Plushtrap isn't at the same location as the Bedroom (unless we assume for no reason that we're not playing as Mike for Plushtrap which... why wouldn't we), and if SL happens before 4, he remains in the Bedroom and Plushtrap after being scooped for between 5 to 8 nights for seemingly no reason man the timeline gets so much weirder now, and that's without even considering Tales as game canon
My opinion on dittophobia is that it only maybe confirmed something we already know thanks to SL, yet i dont think that if ffps was about connecting loose ends, then midnight motorists being origin of the FNAF 4 experiments but with established characters, like Michael, yet i dont think getting random kid after 6 years is connecting loose ends
Love the rant videos, seeing unfiltered thoughts in real time helps me to understand the thought processes behind a lot of theories and lore points, which in turn can help myself make theories of my own, also the random batman tangent lmao
Yeah I wouldn't call a lot of his recent theories good, but people tend to over-react to his theories as opposed to just taking them as what they are and moving on.
@@JustABroomI see that often on Twitter. Even though there’s been a lot of things lately where.. his theories can be something. There looks like there’s an overreaction to them ngl.
The main thing you have to keep in mind with Scott, is that he is a storyteller who believes that stories do not inherently need to have meaning in every detail to justify their existence, and that stories can just exist for their own sake. This to me is a large part of the reason why the story of FNAF is so hard to follow. Scott is simply willing to introduce elements into a story that may not necessarily serve any important function. With midnight motorist, it is entirely possible that Scott simply wanted to expand on how William lured a single, more minor victim away from their home, and he simply didn’t think too hard about the details. The fact that he is still able to give us a compelling narrative (development issues from more recent games aside) is quite impressive. Midnight motorist is genuinely the most captivating thing in all of fnaf for me, and for we know it is more or less insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Alena Baker has made a video expounding their thoughts on midnight motorist, I find it very compelling. I don’t necessarily agree with the entire thing, but I agree with most of it. Check it out if you’re interested! Under_score has a video on the funtimes having remnant from only Elizabeth, maybe check it out if it helps with your theory?
15:00 - "Why did I choose such a pretentious angle?" You really don't wanna draw things raw unless you're confident you have the memory and specifications to go through with it, usually artists will take different strategies like the stickmen/boxfigure method where you draw the basic simplified shapes first, then draw or modify them, or you roughly sketch out the final image, so you know all the details or the idea of what you want out of it. Usually whatever you think will work best or is optimal for you, or what is most comfortable for you is often the best. I often draw things raw, do simplified shapes, or a rough sketch of the final image all on a whim based on how I'm feeling, but I'm a hobbyist mediocre artist so it might be different. ~~Also a bigger than average color nerd.~~ Oh and fun stuff, a really good program I recommend is PureRef, an art tool that lets you have a StayOnTop reference image(board), and it's quite flexible.
Shattered Elizabeth when? I had thought of the idea before myself, so it'd be nice to have someone who actually finally covers the idea, as I've seen no one else do it before. Also, the gas tanks mentioned in Dittophobia contain compressed air, not illusionary gas. We're told this directly in Sister Location... This seems like another case of people who have the book early make up things to prove a theory they have. As for why there's compressed air leading to the FNaF 4 areas, it's to supply air to those rooms, which seem to be otherwise airtight. It also explains how the Crying Child is moved between his home and the test bedrooms, the air supply is halted and he temporarily loses consciousness. There's nothing that implies that the Nightmares are created by illusionary gas, especially since it doesn't, y'know, affect cameras... as there's photographs of the Nightmare animatronics...
28:00 I remember someone coming up with a theory that MM is simply another mini game about afton taking another kid. For me i follow that with the add on of the run away kid being Cassidy which puts everything together. MM was one of the most confusing things from FFPS and Scott is known for trying to clarify things in the next game and so he did that with UCN. Why is Cassidy so special? Why is he the one he shouldn't have killed? Probably because Cassidy wasn't even there originally and was only there because afton lured him to Freddy's. Susie she was already there playing an arcade game when afton came to her to lure her. Can't say anything about the others but to me that explains MM and why Cassidy is "The one you shouldn't have killed". Its a theory
I do have a few issues with “Cassidy runaway” which includes: -If William is using a suit which explains the footprints, the DCI wouldn’t happened, the funtimes probably won’t be created, Mike won’t get sent by his father to get scooped and become purple, FNaF 3 and FNaF 6 wouldn’t happen and so does UCN and it has to be the same SpringBonnie suit BECAUSE TAHT WAS THE THEORY SAID IT WAS AND THE FRUITY MAZE MINIGAME! You can say he gotten out but the suit would be damage and when would he have the chance to fix it if he gets kicked out at that point if it is in storage, did he fox it while being the night guard at the 87 location so he can murdered 5 more kids? -The newspaper clippings in FNaF 1 said FIVE kids, and unless the kid there originally was Michael Brooks from the novel trilogy, Sammy Emily or Kelsey from Frights, Cassidy have to be there because of the lore keeper ending with the gravestone! -Cassidy’s gender while a topic for debate is probably most likely a girl because every other novel character that is a counterpart to their game versions share the same gender (atleast the human characters from what I researched) so logically Cassidy have to be a girl and even if you wanna argue “Kid in FNaF 2 Minigame was boy before becoming a girl later on”, keep in mind this was before the character of Charlie exist, and the Puppet is refer to with he/him pronouns despite Charlie being a girl so the gender of the animatronic is more important than the gender of the soul, and Cassidy is definitely Golden Freddy via process of elimination and Golden Freddy is male and this become a problem when you realize Runaway is a boy (unless you wanna argue they retcon that for Cassidy). -Cassidy is probably special due to possessing a springlock suit and being bitter of not being able to move regularly as it is in suit mode. -While Puppet and Fruity Maze shows how both Charlie and Susie reach their demise, but in the files, Mm is read “Later that Night”, and while you wanna argue the MCI is later that night, there is a tiny problem with that, we have another Minigame where it is raining, and have tire tracks, The Security Puppet’s Mini-game, and if it is the MCI night, they should’ve put some rain noises in Fruity Maze, unless you wanna say “it starts raining later”, what about the tire tracks? The cat Orange is driving is Purple and William drives a Purple car and if they wanna say this is some dude, they should’ve add more PURPLE cars in that hidden mini-game, unless you wanna argue Cassidy died the same night Charlie die and is Bill’s second victim, who the hell is the fifth kid that died? Sammy Emily? Kelsey? Andrew? Michael Brooks? If you wanna argue Andrew, you paradoxically remove Cassidy from being special, if you wanna say Kelsey, that still mean FF short stories is canon and once again, you paradoxically remove Cassidy from being special, if you wanna say Sammy Emily, then fair point tho this require he exist within the lore of the games and in the novels, Mike Afton and CC doesn’t seem to exist within that lore so yeah…..ditto with Michael Brooks, this requires him to be canon. -Why would William leave the Pizzeria just to get a new victim, like even if you wanna believe Mm isn’t about the Aftons, William leaving the place just to get one more child (somehow knowing where they live assuming he didn’t just stalk and follow so he can kill said child while the OTHER four would be either waiting or are already dead) if he could just, I don’t know, KILL the children inside already, you can say “Charlie died out” but that was his first murder and this was him when he was drunk, at this point he wouldn’t be drunk anymore, if anything, he would know “Sneaking outside to kill more kids while in this suit and it look like it might rain soon” is a bad idea, granted there is the FNaF 3 mini-games but he was in a state of panic so I’ll give him that and if he does notice the weather looking cloudy, he would just not go with his plan, I feel like it is easier to say “He killed five kids in the pizzeria” than to say “He left to kill one more child randomly”.
So, I've re-heard(?) some of Springtrap's voicelines from AR and at least 2 of them amount to how much he loves the fear in his victims, even how he says something along the lines of "It isnt your flesh that sustains me; it is your fear!" Maybe that can help explain why he's doing these weird fear experiments? Also, I'm starting to wonder if Midnight Motorist follows the theme of "William's Firsts" (Charlie was hisnvery first murder; Susie was the first of the MCI) like how I've seen theories of how Fruity Maze and Security Puppet minigames are about Afton's murder victims with MM following that theme with it being about Afton kidnapping a kid from their home. Maybe MM is the origin of his experiments using Michael as his first?
RoryMM is one of those things where at first it sounded like it made sense but now the flaws are starting to become more apparent (namely that like you say it doesn't answer a large portion of the minigame). --- Re: Eleanor, it does seem like she's been around a _while_ since the samples go back at least thirty years. Doubt she's the Shadows either way though, because why would she help put Happiest Day together? And what's she doing in Follow Me? Yeah Eleanor does some real random shit sometimes, but generally it's all about torturing random people in semi-karmic ways, not _helping_ them. --- Re: Drowning, I now agree that it's probably not Cassidy, but I don't think she's Peggy either. There are two specific points where the girl changes to look/sound like Peggy: "Her face shifted from Peggy to the girl at the bottom of the pool with dark eyes, then back to Peggy again." "It was the girl’s voice again in her head. _Or was it Peggy’s?_ she wondered. The voices were eerily starting to sound the same. " Which only makes sense to me if she normally _doesn't_ look/sound like her but is trying to exploit Kara's memories to get her to stay. Best guess I can think of is Eleanor, but there's also the weird thing with the bedrooms and the picture of the girl and her parents in clothes "from a different time period" and the whole drowned theme, which doesn't really fit with her as far as we know, so 🤷♂
What even are the Shadows again? I don't recall we ever got a remotely sound official explanation and the whole thing makes absolutely no sense in the story itself.
fnaf has defintly become the "make it make sense" series. there's a lot of questions without answers and answers to questions the fandom has never asked or been lead to ask so people just answer the questions they had with evidence that doesnt necessarily apply. so solve this seires would be to solve a rubix cube with some of the stickers moved around
This video had a lot of good points that I agree with. I don't like leaks in general because it just feels kinda unfair on the creators, and unfair on people who would rather avoid them. You're kinda left between a rock and a hard place because you either have to just bite the bullet and look at the leaks, or you have to essentially be left out of the fandom for (in this case) over a month until the books official release. Also, I would really love to see the shattered Elizabeth theory one day. It sounds like it could have some interesting takes
I think If burntrap glitchtrap was mimic ai robot they would think there vanny Vanessa cuz mimic think there Gregory I think William is burntrap glitchtrap but possessed the blob and mimic is it own separate individual character Mimic could be ennard circus baby glitchtrap burntrap act more human but they can only mimic Also burntrap name literally says burn burnt so burntrap has a rotten flesh male burn burnt corpse yellow teeth and skull shaped head burntrap corpse has been in the fire on fire like William corpse burntrap corpse like spring-trap scraptrap and they all look alike and have a rotten burnt corpse and there all green and purple and security breach was build over FNAF 6 scraptrap William and is burntrap glitchtrap. We don't know if burntrap glitchtrap is mimic or not and William burn trap glitchtrap have differences between mimic
I will say one thing, which is that the mound in Midnight Motorist being a Twisted Animatronic or Funtime Animatronic is somewhat questionable, as it leads to the idea of the Funtimes predating Charlie's death, which would automatically invalidate all "Charlie Was First" theories by virtue of requiring Afton to discover remnant *before* this specific night (which would require CC to just be oozing remnant in his hospital bed while his dad hits him with a huge syringe out of scientific curiosity and the medical staff just being alright with this), unless he just took coincidentally made the Funtimes to snatch kids for fun beforehand and the whole Scooper ordeal was afterwards despite everything ever suggesting the Funtimes and SCUP were coterminous. If it's the Crying Child's grave, it would explain Michael running back there again, especially if it had been some days or weeks or months since CC died to Fredbear.
22:52 Not to mention the suit is probably damaged and even if William dried it (assuming Andrew or Cassidy) and we know William is the most likely to dry it because who else would wanna dry this when they MURDERED SOMEONE (the suits) and William used that suit in FNAF 2
Was Elizabeth born after CC death? Or is maybe just born during the time of his death. Because we only see Michael and William? (purple shadow man) at his party, so maybe the mother is in the hospital with Elizabeth. Btw if this is something obvious i am just a casual fan i am not deep in the lore.
Honestly, we don't know. Either could be true. Dittophobia and the FNAF Movie seem to heavily imply that Elizabeth was younger than Crying Child by the time of FNAF 4.
I gotta be completely honest. I don’t read any of the books, so all the stories referenced go over my head. Like I’m just nodding along but I’m confused af lmao
At least this time it explicitly, unquestioningly, is a story about the FNAF4 house/sister location. At least that part is assured with no real room for speculation. Just not...really sure if Rory is actually "canon" or if it's simply a way for Scott to explain Fnaf4 without using the crying child directly.
Honestly, if the nightmares that mike has in fnaf 1 is because he has ptsd about his torture in willian experiments would make a little sense, but fnaf does not have logic with faz goo so lol
5 months old but, Damien didn't exist by the time Return of The Joker was out. Just Dick, Jason, and Tim. (At least, the robins that were male.) The child Robin in that series is Tim, but he has the personality and origin of Jason Todd. (Jason didn't originally exist in the animated series, since his death was too violent, they made up a story about him as Redhood in comics later on but it doesn't really fit)
i think the shattered Elizabeth theory is probably true to some extent given the scooper both scoops things out and injects things in, meaning that traces would be left and moved around all over but there is the one big problem of sister location where no scooping and splitting shouldve happened at all because the animatronics never actually killed unless they got a kid with freddy on day one or something or maybe the rental service isnt newly opened like it seems, since freddy does become '""damaged"", its honestly really hard to figure just about anything out with sister location now that i think about it
In regards to Princess Quest and Cassidy, the main game establishes that the PQ machines are supernatural and that the princess entity was trying to find someone worthy of helping them defeat Glitchtrap. So there is some independent entity in there. She later goes to HW and seems unfamiliar with things that Vanessa has already seen. Saying stuff like 'something isn't right' when seeing the Glitchtrap plushy. And removed dialogue implies that Vanessa would have been tasked with finding the PQ machines. So at the bare minimum, there is lots of evidence that the entity within PQ is not Vanessa. Hell that revolves around the interpretation that Vanessa is a separate entity from Vanny. When I feel curse of dreadbear and the therapy tapes make it clear this is not the case. So that leads to the question of 'who is it?. One logical conclusion is that it is Cassidy. Because of the things people have brought up(That are not the name) and the fact that Cassidy was the last piece of the classic era that was never actually resolved. And I would hardly say that the drowned girl being Cassidy is anywhere close to theories like the ones Matpat has. Drowning establishes there is the ghost of a black haired girl who died in another era in the pizzaplex games. Said ghost is associated with drowning, when Cassidy's last appearance involved her drowning. And also this story never gets followed up upon, so it seems like it is supposed to answer something from before. If there was a story establishing there is a robot kid around who is said to have been built from a kid from another time who had a striped shirt and is associated with plushies? I would swap back to Gregbot in a heartbeat.
I agree with the topic, but I don't see the logic in factoring in the happiest day, because that event is its own can of worms that needs to be talked about more. How do we conclude when it takes place? How do we even conclude that it is even still canon? It is the messiest thing ever regardless of how I lay out the storyline.
18:00 Did your opinion on Eleanor and the Shadow Animatronics (Freddy) change for your most recent video, or is it that it is a possibility that you have gotten more open to?
5:15 I think the one about rescuing a princess as a reference to SMB1 especially since in FNaF's Princess Quest you play as the Princess not rescuing her
I think the leaked pages show Rory has a different family relationship from the motorist kid so they can't be the same person. Honestly if Motorist isn't about the Afton family it's probably better as a murder than a kidnapping or runaway cause it'd give an explanation to the dirt mound. Also if so the Spring suit could've just been hidden in a bush off-screen
I don't know if it's due to the fanbase of FNaF skewing younger or if it's more just the natural conclusion of an incomprehensible story, but I think a lot of theories are just like.... bad media comprehension. It's "Ash in a Coma" style theorizing. Which is to say that they start with the conclusion and work backwards to make it fit. But in the process people forget that... this is a story told by a human. Decisions were made about what to show and what not to show. Twists aren't independent puzzles to be solved, they're part of a greater narrative. You can string together a 10 page theory about how, idk, 'Circus Baby was dismantled and turned into Chica and that's why Chica says "I was the first"' but first and foremost... did the story ever present this as a puzzle? Was there any indication that we should question the identity of these 2 characters? Was there any direct connection drawn between them? Would this have any real impact on the overall narrative? If the answer to all of these is 'no' then you've created a puzzle and a solution by yourself. You're answering a question that wasn't asked.
Here's a far easier solution for the Spring Bonnie conundrum in Midnight Motorist: Afton simply approaches the window in the costume, gestures the kid to come in order to lure him, the kid (who is already prone to running off) breaks the window to escape their room and escape with him because of their terrible parents and home life (which the rest of the minigame is establishing), then Afton kidnaps the kid and brings him to the bunker, and then it starts raining. Simple. No need for weird shuffle crab nonsense.
And the purple car? And the hidden land? And the "he ran off to that place *again*"? And the clear connection between the House of Midnight Motorist and the House of FNAF 4?
@@ArtieFNAF Dittophobia confirms the FNAF 4 gameplay house is an underground testing chamber. It's not an actual house, so it can't be the one in Midnight Motorist. I addressed him running off "again". The kid is already prone to running off, since his life sucks. The whole minigame establishes that, with his alcoholic abusive dad, the apathetic relative sitting by the couch and the "Leave him alone, he had a rough day" line. The car is purple because it's a carryover from the previous minigame, where everything is in a classic 80s neon style, with the UI being blue and the cars all being pink / purple. Ours is no different from those others. And since it comes from that minigame, it keeps that style during the secret minigame. The hidden mound would be the entrance to the bunker, secluded in a clearing in the woods, decently far from anything else, where it's unlikely to be noticed.
@@DerpaTure9503 Entire point of this video was saying you cant use books that haven't come out to confirm your theory. Second the purple car has only be used in one other place the fnaf 2 cutscene. Also with charlie death having tire track nex to her implying whoever killed her was leaving quick like MM implies with you speeding down the highway. Also keep in mind the context in which fnaf 6 is being made as a wrap up to series why you be setting up new characters. Why would williams bunker next to some rando's house.
At this point I think too many people are focusing on the wrong thing when it comes to fnaf. At its core fnaf is a VIDEO GAME series and the lore of these video games shouldn’t be the focus. Because in the end, I think RUIN had this massive positive reception because it simply wasn’t as confusing as security breach. In my opinion, ruin’s a good game but is just a bit boring. But so many people looked past that because we got confirmation that the mimic existed and the books aren’t just parallels, me included. I just cant afford to care about fnafs story anymore because it’s so scatterbrained. I just want great, replayable, scary horror games. I want well written books that don’t take place in the universe. I want a video game, not the story that can be found in video games.
The story/lore has been an important part of these games for a long time. It's just part of what makes fnaf, well fnaf lol. Though its fair to not care for it and just for it being a well, horror game. Not gonna knock you for that.
Yeah FNAF is a game series but its undeniable the lore is main appeal of the series for the majority of fans. The fact of the matter is that if judging solely by gameplay FNAF games were never all that great or even good, they are hard carried by the premise and the lore. If you were looking for a franchise that's focus is on gameplay FNAF simply isn't the franchise for you.
@@johnman8398 I don’t think I worded my rant quite right, fnafs story is still something I’m very interested in but I don’t care about it as much in comparison to the quality of the games, if the mimic had just appeared out of nowhere and no book or piece of fnaf media had talked about it beforehand, then Its reveal wouldn’t have been as striking. What I meant was that I believe fnafs story is over shadowing the gameplay in some aspects, for example, Ruin had lots of lore reveals and confirmed a few things about security breach that had confused a lot of people, but other than that it became what is essentially a very impressive walkthrough showcase of steelwool’s amazing set design and animation prowess.
My interpretation of Midnight Motorist is that between 1982-1983 William start kidnapping kids for the fear gas experiment in a earlier version of the SL Bunker, the kid been kidnap no needs to be Rory, it can be a random kid, William with the Springbonnie suit kidnaps the kid and took it into a earlier entry to the SL bunker that it is hidden in the woods, the Midnight Motorists house can be in the Fnaf 4 neighborhood, so William house will be near.Why only one footprint? The footprint is only indicating that some animatronic was there, any candidate for what animatronic could be will be false because all of them will left more footprints, they are only there for indicating that, for example the house of Midnight Motorist only have a room with a TV and the kid bedroom, obviously the house wouldn’t be like that, is just to simplicity, this also applies to the amount of footprints.If this interpretation is correct also can explain what was the thing that the Crying Child saw, it can be that the Crying Child saw one of the kidnaps but because William was using a suit he thinked that was a animatronic, explaining the dialogue of Phsyco Friend Fredbear.
@@smt64productions40that two things can be explain very easily.William went to Fredbear or the location were Charlie died because he wanted the SpringBonnie suit to kidnap the kid in Midnight Motorist, so he went, put the suit in his car and when he was going to leave he saw Charlie outside and kill it.He escape from the murder scene and kidnaps the child. It doesn’t exist any official material that says that the springlocks can be activate by rain, there is no evidence of that and the only indication of that is William death in FNaF 3 but that happened because the suit didn’t have maintenance in years, not because of the water damaging the suit.
@@gotyrase1753 FNaF 3 phone call said: Uh, hello hello! Uh, for today's lesson we will be continuing our training on proper suit-handling technique. When using an animatronic as a suit, please ensure that the animatronic parts are tightly compressed and fastened by the springlocks located around the inside of the suit. It may take a few moments, to position your head and torso between these parts in a manner where you can move and speak. Try not to nudge or press against any of the springlocks inside the suit. Do not touch the springlocks at any time. Do not breathe on the springlocks, as moisture may loosen them, and cause them to break loose. In the case that the springlocks come loose while you are wearing the suit, please try to maneuver away from populated areas before bleeding out, as not to ruin the customer experience. As always, if there is ever an emergency, please note there's a designated safe room. Every location is built with one extra room that is not included in the digital map layout programmed into the animatronics or security systems. This room is hidden to customers, invisible to animatronics, and is always off-camera. As always, remember to smile. You are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. If moisture can be dangerous for Springlocks, I can imagine rain being deadly I also wanna bring up it was raining in the FNaF 3 building plus even if you wanna argued not a lot of rain can go inside, William is laughing which, moisture so that is also an issue
@@gotyrase1753 Hell, with the FNaF movie, I feel like a better argument can be he convinced the kid to come with him and goes into his car and left fake tracks via making them or just having a stick with a fake paw
People make Midnight Motorist so complicated for no reason. It doesn't have to be raining when William was there *earlier* that night. it doesn't have to tie into any other theories or say anything else than that this kid had such a miserable home life he made an easy target for his murderer.
I’m really sick of the “Midnight Motorist is actually just a murder it’s so simple” argument because it isn’t. William teleports- there’s a mound in the woods for no reason- Afton does the (this theory exclusive) run on foot to a kids house to break their window and have them follow him in costume- instead of doing what he did with Susie and just pick venerable kids around the pizzeria he was already in. And once again- he can teleport since the animal tracks don’t follow the kids tracks. If a simpler explanation is worse it’s not a better explanation IMO.
@@siresquawks One of Toy Chica's diary entries is exactly this scenario. But more importantly, the PS minigames and the theme of the entire game is the victims' stories. I think you'll have to forgive the graphical limitations for the footprints.
@@WalterUndergotheres also the fact that the dci was never brought up again, its always 5 children + charlie, im now thinking that the dci was never a thing to begin with
people justifying theories with questionable readings of things that are mostly based on their own preconceived notion seems to be a big issue, that seemingly also spirals out into more issues i mean, it's why the mimic is such a debated issue is it not? the leakers said that the mimic is totes burntrap, and then in turn people view the ruin mimic as being burntrap aswell and then looking for connections to justify it being burntrap (amplified by the talesgames people who saw that a thing from the books came to the games, and then used that to argue that their theory has to be correct because of it)
On behalf of the TalesGames community, I am sorry for how many people are stupid in it. Forgive us, please. Or don’t, I barely forgive the people who are like “OH MY GOD IT’S THE MIMIC THEREFORE TALES IS CANON!”
Im mad about the fact the evey single thing about fnaf needs to be "lore", if scott told to people that fazbear fright'ts books are just to read and have fun, but he choose the lore part of the fandom that are desperate for clues in the games, PLEASE fnaf fandom have a break from fnaf lore and have fun with the books and play the games for THE GAMEPLAY
Micheal was the 1st one to be experimented upon and William put the tape in the bunker because Micheal went down there by himself. Nothing suggests that William told him to go down there to begin with, all we know is that he sent Michael to put Elizabeth back together. So Midnight Motorist is Micheal either going down to the bunker or to visit CC's grave after Shadow Freddy brings Michael away and Nightmare showing up in FNAF 4 after Nightmare Fredbear supports the idea of Micheal thinking either they are the same animatronic or something makes him find out about William's experiments with agony/remnant to try and save CC.
That is like saying "That character was not told to go to france and was instead only told to break someone out of french prison". Yes, Michael was infact told to go into Circus Baby's, it is quite literally a required part of the formula here. Unless that is not what you mean and you just formulated it supremely poorly.
@@lpfan4491 I'm saying that Michael could of been in the bunker before Sister Location since the FNAF 4 bedroom is now confirmed to be in the actual bunker and not in the actual house and with Michael having nightmares of Fredbear he's all but confirmed to be who we play as in FNAF 4. That's 1 possibility I'm providing and another one is Shadow Freddy luring Michael to his brother's grave or somewhere else since he is an agony creature made from CC's death and William punishes him with the experiments
Why do you not make cuts to the rants? It seems like they would really beneficiate from it. Do you fear that you people will be like "If he made this cut, then he could have made a way better video if he edited it more", or that you will feel lazy and that you could have done something better or something?
I actually do cut most rants, but because of PAX west, I didn’t have much time, and wanted to get my thoughts out anyways. Most of my videos are HEAVILY edited. I just didn’t have time nor want to give the leaks the validity of a true video.
I watched RyeToast's video on this book last night, and to be honest... I'm so burnt out and tired of the lore of this franchise. No hate towards RyeToast or anybody for that matter though. In fact, I applaud everyone's efforts to try and "solve" this mess without going delusional. But as someone who was a kid when the first game came out and has been there since the beginning and is 21 years old now, I'm pretty confident in saying that we'll *_never_* have a complete understanding of the story without getting *_something_* wrong. VR kinda pushed it for me with the idea of the previous games being canon within the universe of the series along with the fact that Afton was back as a virus that can affect people in the real world. Security Breach further pushed it for me with animatronics with AI's that might as well make them human, plus Afton coming back. Ruin was pretty much the breaking point for me with the Mimic being introduced along with the AR World and the VANNI program and how it works logically, or, the lack thereof. At this point, I'm ready for the series to be over. We need a spinoff game that serves as a break from the lore or clearer answers (Example: "GGY" story from the books) for the story because we'll *_never figure out the story._* We're not going to get any answers from Scott himself because we ran him out and away of the community years ago and have hardly heard from him since because he's intentionally staying distant from the community, but even then, who knows if even *_he_* has all the answers or not. Maybe people should've thought about that before harassing & threatening him. I miss the older days of theorizing with this series. Nobody can ever agree on any theory now and nothing feels like accurate speculation. Plus, we don't even know if something that we speculate to be canon _now_ will be canon tomorrow. I just want this story to be cohesive.
As someone who enjoys where the story is going, i understand the frustration and just being done with it lol. There's no doubting how frustrating the ore of this series can be. And what info you can trust or not. Its not a too ask for it being a little more cohesive. I think the whole AI thing makes sense when you got the SL animatronics existing, and i think the events from the mainline games existing within the same universe is neat. Though, your frustrations are valid ngl. Your idea for a little spinoff game to explain ggy or something would be great ( shoot, i wouldn't mind a book trilogy of it.) On the Scott stuff, i think the man himself is still pretty active. From what i see, he talks sometimes. He is a busy man afterall. But from somethings SW has said, Scott has his hands on the story itself so he seems to be pretty involved with the franchise. If he wanted to say anything on the discussions we're having right now about the books, i think he could. But he isn't right now and that could be..till the games gives us more. Though I'm sure your not waiting for that as someone isn't exactly loving where the franchise is going.
@@soomi5667 Quite surreal. Also, it's been damn near a decade (I just turned 30 🙂) and we are *just now* getting lore confirmations for FNAF 4 (and SL by extension)......which came out in 2015...... 🙃🔫
@@Takejiro24 congrats haha! Fnaf came out when I was barely starting middle school haha. Time truly flies by.. Also while I really think this newest story squawks is talking is more so on the experiments William did ( that’s implied in SL ) It is kinda funny to get lore stuff about fnaf 4 huh 😂
I miss the supernatural feel of fnaf. Now its mainly syfy feel. I could see it as a natural progression as soul leaves a code of soul for the animatronics to build their own personalities. But now its saying hohoho the ghost were never real, its all smoke and mimics. This needs a solid reboot after 10 years with a clearer storyline with Police Officer Vannessa and Security Officer Micheal solving this with help from a former technition and fazbear backend staff member if not also a member of the board of chairmen. Something that follows a survival horror progression but with fnaf flavoring.
I 100% agree with you on the leks nonsense. I have always hated leaks being used as evidence. And yeah, people will bend over backwards to make their theory fit despite lacking evidence, yet a similar theory is dismissed due to lack of evidence. Honestly I am still not convinced Cassidy is even in Golden Freddy as we have no solid proof of which kid is in GF. They cite the log book as evidence but in the SAME puzzle that Cassidy's name appears so does the name EVAN. So... one name is important and the other isn't? and as you said Cassidy is depicted many times with Black hair. 'The one you should not have killed' seems to have blond or brown hair not black. Unless character traits really don't matter at all and anyone can change appearance at will these don't line up. There's also dates in the Tales books that are completely different. SB had the pizza plex open in 2032, where is the Tales books have it open in 2017???? WTF is this over a decade difference if not to inform the reader that it's a separate continuity. Honestly I hate the Scifi aspect FNAF has adopted, we went form believable supernatural elements and tech pushing limits in the 80s to fazgoo and AI... and now hallucinogenic gas. It's not off the rails at this point, it's off the continent the rails are on.
Dittophobia confirms for me that TalesGames isn’t true in the common interpretation. As a TalesGames believer, this story on a fundamental level breaks the canon of the franchise if it’s 100% in the game timeline. It seems to me like this is not only giving us more insight into what was going on in FNaF 4, but is also trying to tell as that the Tales books are an extremely close parallel to the timeline of the games, to the point where differences are at times negligible, rather than just being straight up set in the games timeline. This also fixes a lot of TalesGames timeline issues, since if TalesGames is correct, the Storyteller happens less than a year after FNaF 6, which is absolutely nonsensical. It also fixes the problem of Gregory being 12 2 years after the Pizzaplex opened, since that would place him at roughly 15 in Security Breach, which is also completely nonsensical. Or maybe I’m reading too far into this and TalesGames is actually correct and Gregory is a robot and Elizabeth is Vanessa and Vanny and Tape Girl and the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment
TalesGames throws a huge wrench in Gregory is a robot. He is literally just a regular kid in GGY, he goes to school, he has a normal family, and lives pretty average life (this is reinforced by the CDs).
@@JFTArchive What makes putting a pin into things a lot harder is the alternate endings in SB being seemingly confirmed to be Gregory's imagination. Because by that metric, literally anything could look real and then just be an inaccurate what-if made up by the characters. It is kinda the same thing like how HW excuses a lot of inaccuracies to the past by putting the series onto the edge between "Fnaf 1-5 never happened" and "Fnaf 1-5 did happen, lol"(For reference, Fnaf 6 is still 100% real as of right now.)
@@JFTArchivetrue lol. To be clear, Gregory isn’t a robot. I do not believe that. At all. Didn’t exactly think of that connection… but if TalesGames is true, then some fuckery is going on with that man’s age, cause nothing makes 100% sense there
I'm kinda late to comment but what the hell is going on? Why does everyone going crazy about a damn gas? And how does it solve FNaF 4 exactly? I thought Nightmare Animatronics was Mike's nightmare. The story is going to hell and I'm starting to hate it.
He just stepped back into the bushes, i don't get how people don't understand that. He could have been wearing the mascot costume and not the springlock suit or the future spring lock failure was caused by him wearing the suit in the rain. Not saying that rory literally is midnight motorist kid he could be a combination between the crying child and someone else, I just saying the kidnapped theory makes alot more sense than a scare crow. And if you want an explanation as to why the kid willingly followed the rabbit outside of his window, his life sucked he ran away to Freddy's alot and now a one of the Freddy's characters is outside his window asking for him to follow them to wonderland.
The mascot suit is implied tto never existed in the form HW glitchtrap wears (from AR cut fun fact which are canon because the vanny emails are canon). Your second point not how springlocks work a mere bit of water kills you soaking in the rain come on. With kidnapped theory doesn't explain the toe prints being one print while scarecrow does.
@@djwithdk7084 That's because Scarecrow theory was tailor made to anwser these questions. KidnapMM has it's fair share of problems but with what we learn in Dittophobia it seems to be the most likely anwser, i doesn't really matter if Rory is the runaway or not Afton kidnaping children with bad past to use them in his twisted experiments is the important part here and it shouldn't be overlooked. FFPS was made to anwser some question about previous games and tie up lose ends KidnapMM (especialy with the info we got from Dittophobia) anwsers the observation rooms which up until recently we have no idea about (also all 3 FFPS arcade showing William's various crimes/victims would be really fitting but besides the point).
@@januszjanusz536 Niether you or I have read Dittophobia so saying it comfirms your theory is stupid. That the entire point of this video. Observation rooms could just be william putting cameras in the gameplay house. Along with lines like "he'll be sorrow when it gets back" kinda pointing to the nightmares Michael gets. ALso for FFPS acarde showing crimes and victims . MM says later that night in the files meaning its mean to be after something. Another thing pointing to charlie's murder.
@@djwithdk7084 I never said it confirmed my "theory"?? I just said with what the story presents and the whole point of FFPS of trying to explaining everything (and the arcades i guess) KidnapMM imo makes the most amount of sense atm and fits with everything we've seen nicely. I haven't ""read"" the book myself per say but i've seen Freddit live reading which should give anyone a pretty good idea about the story. "Later that night" doesn't really mean anything the 1st/main portion of the minigame (the racing one) takes place at night so the 2nd part takes places "Later that night". And while. AftonMM (as much as i like this theory myself) also has it's fair share of problems, William is for some reason orange, Mike cares for his brother, Fredbears is now a bar called JR's (and it's near a forest) and Afton's home is near wood's instead of a neighborhood (same with the layout of the house being diferent for some reason).
This series has gone way to off the rails. I honeslty had no idea what the hell the Mimic was when I looked it up on the wiki. This was before Ruin but I was still confused. Ever since the 4th game, FNaF has been become so complicated to the point where I just want answers that solve the lore. Last game in this franchise better end the story for good.
22:00 But seriously the entire afton family is important to the series itself?? Why would one of them just be thrown out when he had an entire game about him? How come Michael has to be some big character?? He only had 5 seconds in two games.
It’s funny how you say the family itself is very important, but not Michael himself. Even though he’s probs one of “the” most important afton at a certain point in the main story itself. Just a bit weird lol.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that since he’s PRETTY important to the main story in the franchise. He’s a protagonist. So idk what your saying works here.
William really doesn't need a motive, most killers don't. He doesn't really need one to be interesting, he's a crazy guy who snapped one day, accidentally discovered the key to immortality and chased it hurting everyone around him.
@@SCP-469 I think alot of people need to look at it from a documentary point of view, local business owners withe the perfect nuclear family and cheery outward persona was actually the entire time kidnapping, killing, and experimenting on the towns children for years and didn't even get caught just disappeared one day, and now there are rumors that he and the soul's of the kids he killed wander the world in the shadow claiming more victims.
Yeah, I still see people say that him having some kind of motivation rooted in something resembling sympathy is inherently more interesting. Call me crazy, but I happen to think unrepentant child murder automatically nullifies any and all sympathy lol. I don't care if he was trying to use remnant to resurrect an old friend of his who was one step away from curing cancer, he's irredeemable and deserves nothing but hellfire. That's *why* he's a good villain.
@@damkylan3 it's kinda .it's freddy cruguer in a way, the remake pushed the idea of him having a sympathetic past but then did a 180 and said no that would be stupid and 'in freddy crugers case' takes away from his whole thing of being the worst of the worst. I kinda hope the FNAF movie does the same and makes William a irredeemable monster who is only doing all this because he likes it and because he's curious about how ghosts work.
Are we really on that critical point with people overreading into everything that they really try putting additional motivation into William? He didn't have any in Fnaf 2 and 3 and it worked. Then Scott gave him a motivation in the next trilogy of games that he tried turning Remnant into medicine(If it was for his own immortality or reviving crying child does not matter) and it worked. Now his relevance as a character is starting to dwindle(Even if Burntrap was him, it is seemingly retconned out now) and this is the time people want the character to be messed with?
