This is really good actually. That FNAF AR email is nearly damning. I guess my question would be in the case that the original kids aren't within molten Freddy, who are? Various Funtime victims from rentals?
Yeah they must be children that died because of the Funtimes And happy to see you here RyeToast God bless u You’re an amazing content creator like Sire 🙌
Well, we only have proof freddy and Baby have killed... that being said, what if we interpret Belora as attacking a child who has run off at a party being upset. The empty tomb would be a reference to the actual murder, extrapolating lines, the foxy murder would likely be a person who was late or early to a performance...
I always assumed that Henry saying “he found a new way to desecrate, to humiliate” was just the idea of William putting dead kids into animatronics. He’s literally desecrating their bodies and he’s humiliating them by turning victims into singing animatronics. I mean, isn’t FNAF VR kind of proof of that? Glitchtrap gleefully dancing while you’re stuck on stage singing a song. It’s meant to be humiliating, he’s mocking you. I mean, I guess the point would be moot if the suits were the murder weapons, but I don’t think they were. It’s always phrased as the bodies being hidden in them, implying that they’re already dead. So, I thought Henry was just referring to the dead kids in suits, which makes the line “the monster I unwillingly helped to create” a sort of double entendre. Because he’s obviously talking about William, obviously, but he could also be talking metaphorically about the murders. Clearly the animatronics have killed before, how else would Phone Guy tell you what they do to night guards? And Henry built those. It doesn’t make as much sense, since he only refers to monster and creature, singular, I admit, but the metaphor. The monster, the danger lurking in his pizzerias. So yeah, I always thought he was just making a straightforward comment about how messed up it is to put dead kids inside of animatronics.
He's talking about William doing something worse than killing them, and it's not animating the suits, because he knows Charlie did that. "set to new purpose" isn't the kids taking vengeance, because he's still referring to what William did to them. Save Them is what leads directly to MoltenMCI, he's stripping them of their individuality and self-determination and using them to animate other things. That's the horrific thing he's referring to. I think it's good to question MoltenMCI because there are a lot of unanswered questions, but the entirety of Henry's speech is just about the strongest evidence for it.
I always took Henry’s speech being about him pretty much going into hiding after Charlie’s death and finally deciding to do something about William when he realizes he’s free from Fazbear frights. Like I definitely feel if he was still part of the company after Charlie’s death. The funtimes and the fnaf 2 murders would’ve never happened to that extent. And I like the idea that Henry taking all of the older animatronics to create the new FNAF6 robots, heck it probably explains why Cassidy speaks through the MM maybe Golden Freddy was used to create the Medorice Melodie’s rather than Glamrock Golden Freddy.
@@ivon1671 I'm not sure he ignored it persay. Fnaf 2 mentions Fred bears family dinner, if henry is involved with fazbear they would be looking for William not him. Those lines create all kinds of issues as we know they were business partners later int he timeline. We can't use every little detail in the early games and make everything fit. Scott claims he retconned 1 thing, but I believe he retconned more without realizing that he did so. He's not a writer, he's a game designer, as proven by the state of the novels. Those early games were never intended to have a big story. Old details need to be pushed aside at this point. We need to go off of what is presented in recent games rather than ruminating on the past.
@@777SilverPhoenix777 but it's not like it's inconsistent, in both novels and games Henry leaves Fazbear Entertainment early. And Henry was the main guy who created the animatronics, why wouldn't they be looking for him? William seemed to be more on the side.
@@777SilverPhoenix777William has had a lot more involvement with the restaurants following Fredbear’s Family Diner compared to Henry. It’s more likely that they’d be trying to contact him instead of William because Henry was the one who left and possibly went into hiding. If we go off the idea that William died in ‘93, he would still be working with Fazbear Entertainment during the events of FNAF 2. Therefore, they wouldn’t need to “try to contact the original owner” if said owner was William, because they’d ALREADY be in contact with him. Henry would be the one they’re struggling to reach, meaning it would have to be him they were referring to and not William. It doesn’t make sense for William to be the owner they wanted to reach.
This is literally 90% of what I've been thinking for actual months you have no idea how happy I am to see someone make a video about it XD. Great work!
Aside from the prospect of Cassidy's spirit strolling in and shoving William into a locker being gut-bustingly hilarious, I never really stopped to think about the fact that the GF spirit is free to walk around and apparently didn't get involved until after the bodies were destroyed. Unless that was the whole plan. Wait a minute... is this why people have commonly linked GF and Shadow Freddy, and I've just been late to the party all this time? lol
My understanding about the shadows is that they're from springlock failures happening to Fazbear employees, the reason they're not really "there" is that instead of murder victims, they were just accidents and so their bodies were removed from the GF and SB springlock suits.
With Molten MCI, CandyCadets dialogue always felt like a purply way to say "Molten MCI real btw" while being needlessly confusing about it, I prefer your interpretation. It does also fit in well with the points ID's Fantasy brought up regarding the Follow me minigames in her response to Matpats video (recommend checking that one out btw it's annoyingly mindblowing)
It wasnt meant to say that necessarily. In the novels the original were merged and their remnant was put into the funtimes. Not necessarily citing molten freddy.
Wasn't Candy Cadet talking about William, the Funtimes, Elizabeth, Charlie, and Henry coming to one place to be destroyed, but that the plan would ultimately fail?
I really think FNaF 3's good ending did save the FNaF 1 kids (because Golden Freddy's there). FNaF 2's kids (which we know were 5 specifically) ended up in Molten Freddy and were saved in FNaF 6. This makes both of them good stopping points for the franchise in their own rights, and why originally 3 was the end.
The character encyclopaedia says that the missing kids were freed during happiest day and it occurred during fnaf 3 and puppet just stayed behind. With the character encyclopaedia being questionable it is hard to say if it’s accurate for sure but I think it’s important to note
My only thing is that people are forgetting that there were 5 more murdered children during FNAF 2, you can literally see the bodies in the SAVE THEM mini-game and Phone Guy mentions that a yellow suit in the back was used and now the animatronics aren’t acting right. Isn’t it totally possible that the Good Ending in FNAF 3 is canon and Molten Freddy is a collection of the souls of the FNAF 2 missing children’s incident? Also, yes, there were 2 MCIs, you can very clearly see Foxy in Pirate’s Cove being the Foxy from FNAF 1 or at the very least the location before FNAF 2.
@@siresquawks This is true, but most theory videos, whether it be Fuhnaff, you, RyeToast, and hell, even Wendigoon, completely glance over the fact that William, without question, killed 11 seen kids.
Amazing theory. It actually gives the rockstars some importance beyond just Lefty. I’m sure people will find flaws but this is absolutely a fresh take that I’m glad to say I like.
This video is really great, I feel like it could've made the differences between MoltenMCI and FuntimesMCI a bit more clear but it still was really cool, offering different perspectives is kinda the point of theorizing and this video shows a good example of an unpopular theory that could still work well.
@@monerb7185 ID's fantasy had a theory in her recent sister location video that the funtimes were not haunted by the MCI kids, but that maybe after sister location Eenerd just crawled through the remains of Fazbear frights looking for haunted parts to add to themselves and they absorbed the 4MCI in the process, since Molten has clearly been collecting more animatronic parts since he's bigger than Eenerd even with the exclusion of Baby
@@JavaBallAnimation the missing children's incident, the event in 1985 where William Afton lured five kids, Gabriel, Fritz, Susie, Jeremy #1, and Cassidy into the back room of a freddy's with a spring bonnie suit and killed them and stuffed their corpses into the animatronics. There was also the second Mci sometimes called the Dead child incident where William killed 5 more kids at the fnaf 2 location while posing as a security gaurd and just left the bodies strewn around the floor, hence the different name
Pretty good video, but I still wanna throw in a few other points for this debate Logbook being after SL and having Cassidy and BV which is weird if their remnant is supposedly in the Funtimes - While this is true, something that's also pretty crucial is that Michael himself, the one who owns and is writing in that book, *has* remnant inside of him from the Scooper. I know this is a 'but da novels!' point, but there's one other human character who really gets injected with remnant (Carlton), and that results in him spiritually interacting with the spirits keeping him alive and helping bring back their memories, which Mike seemingly never does, unless that's what the point of the logbook was (which I kinda think it is.) One of the points you mention in regards to Follow Me being William taking the endos, is that 'he has to take them offscreen' - Which to be fair, that is exactly what happens in that minigame, the endoskeletons straight-up disappear when William touches the player. Those minigames exist to explain why the horror attraction in FNAF3 couldn't find real robots, and why the shells of the characters are just littered throughout the building. Regardless of if they get put into the funtimes, William has to do something to those endoskeletons. I'm actually not entirely sure if the Funtime animatronics ever really got to kill children aside from Elizabeth, because in FFPS she does say "Now we can do what we were created to do," which kind of implies that for whatever reason, they previously *couldn't* do what they were supposed to. Sure that makes since with them being Scrap Baby and Molten Freddy, but like, if thats all she really wanted to do, what was the point of her Ennard plan in the first place if she just wanted to do what she was created for. Baby and the Technicians in SL also seem to imply that something wrong happens every time they perform, but if that is killing kids, then that goes back to the problem of why does Elizabeth want to do what she was created to do, but also doesn't want to do it. I don't have a real conclusion to that point but its just something I think about. The reason why I think the Candy Cadet stories parallel Charlotte bringing the kids together, Henry bringing everyone together, etc. so well is because I think that's the point. Those stories aren't just a hint to MoltenMCI or whatever else, the idea of 5 things coming together is a recurring theme throughout the series in every game from like, FNAF2 onward, with Ennard and Molten Freddy just being an extension of this theme.
Damn that first point is great! Perfectly and simply explains how the logbook functions and doesn't require any other theory or assumption to work. Love it!
about the enard plan and elizabeths wierd motivation incinsistency id fantsay gave a good explanation for that in her video about glmarock freddy she said that the programing of an animatronic has more control over the animatronics actions compared to the soul you can see it in a bunch of places in the franchise so you can basicaly put as elizabeth and who ever is possesing the other funtimes wanted to escape and made enard (the reason they went with killing mike is probably they were alredy getting influenced by the funtimes need to kill) but as the years went by after they left mike the "murder children protocol" warped their minds for baby specifically mixing her desire for william to be proud of her with circus babys need to kill children which leads in to fanf 6 same applys to molten freddy (minus the daddy issues) this works regardless if the funtimes had acctual victims or if molten mci is cannon
I like it cuz it at least gives the timeline some breathing room although the only question I have is that depending on which one is cannon how would Cassidy or William know about the rockstars because everything in ucn was something one of them saw at least thats my theory on the legistics for ucn
@@Flareguy i think omc is just this mysterious guardian being for lost souls and he felt that ucn was happening so he came in to appease her so she would stop it or william and henry just got high one day and halucinated an 8bit red alligator fisherman thing
I think that Molten Toys (I think that's the name) makes more sense (than Molten MCI) because the original MCI possesses the Toys from the borrowed parts from the Withereds, and the next children murdered are right before night 6
I like to propose an alternative to MoltenMCI: MoltenMCI2, because let's not forget that in this franchise, there are *two* MCIs. The one we all know in the 1985 location, and the one in the FNAF2 location with the bodies laying around. They never really got an ending beyond "the Toys got scrapped", whilst the MCI got Happiest Day, and we know "just scrap them" doesn't work (you even use that to say the spirits are still there to be saved by Henry using the Rockstars). It still has some issues regular MoltenMCI has, but it also wouldn't rely on a dubiously canon email. I'm not going to say it's a "better" theory than yours, yours is still very good, I'm just throwing a possible alternative out there
There’s one problem, The toys weren’t possessed, we see them in fnaf 3 right in front of you and there’s a consistency with major possessions in the series, the person dying has to make contact with the animatronic body, and the fnaf 2 MCI has the kids bodies scattered around the restaurant, in that same Minigame, Mangle is fully moving with no possession.
@@smashers6971 You see props of them. Even assuming that they're the actual parts, all that means is that the majority of their bodies were used to make the Funtimes, with what wasn't needed left around for the Fright crew to find. The alternative with them not being possessed is that Phone Guy was correct when he says that they are just "malfunctionning", but we all know that he's trying to rationalise paranormal activities. Mangle walking around =/= she isn't possessed. Freddy (or Fredbear) was "walking around" in the SAVE HIM minigame, is *he* exampt of being possessed too? He was eventually (whether you think it's Freddy or Fredbear), so what's stopping Mangle from walking around and the Puppet to bring the corpses to them later?
@@sirdrake1857 we know Freddy was already possessed by the events of Fnaf 2, like it’s the whole reason the first restaurant was closed and they had to rebrand. As for the Malfunction answer, it’s pretty simple, imagine you are a robot designed to track down and catch a criminal, and said criminal gets into the restaurant and commits more murders all under your noise. Basically the toys are aware William got inside but they can’t find him and it’s messing with their programming, heck phone guy says, before there was any mention of murders in the fnaf 2 location specifically that the toys had the whole endoskeleton glitch thing that was a cover up in the first game for the possession, it’s why you have the Freddy head so that Glitch can be avoided.
I like this explanation because it makes the first three games about the MCI children and how they are set free while making the latter three games an exploration of the Afton family. It allows for both trilogies to tell their respective stories in a way that doesn’t become convoluted
Re: soulsplitting/remnant shenanigans. It's undeniable that there is some sort of strange remnant shenanigans going on with the funtimes with the whole "Ballora never learns" line and the fact that the scupper is used multiple times on the same robot. This doesn't necessarily mean molten MCI (in fact I would assume it's that the primitive 1980's AIs were brought to life by remnant injections, which fits a lot with Scott's preference for sci-fi, especially shown in FNaF5).
I always thought the ones within the Funtime Animatronic were the kidnapped children from the third Novel cause the personality fit well with the robots. Jacob fits Scott's description of Funtime Foxy and how introverted he is as opposition to her voice. Alanna acted and was much older that the rest of the group like Ballora, and Lisa and Ron fit the Bonbon and Funtime Freddy dynamic, Lisa only really talking Ron and Ron speaking for the both of them.
The problem is the novels run parallel to the games. They are a reference yes but that can't solve the games or vice versa. It could be people with those names or another group that the fun times killed in game. Though the idea that it's not MCI could be taken as a clue for the games.
3:35 I don’t know why, but the idea of calling Golden Freddy “Goldilocks” will never not be the funniest shit to me(especially with the “old” behind it.💀
Another thing about Golden Freddy is that we’re not even sure if they’re an actual suit or not, with how they behave in the games at best they’re likely some projection of some sorts (if not they’re probably an outright ghost of sorts taking the form of a Golden Freddy).
A great video, but I just personally think that MoltenMCI, while not perfect, also just requires the least amount of inconsistencies and logical jumps you have to make. The only real jump is "William brought them home and came back", which isn't even *too* stupid, and the "five becoming one" which even before the entire potential of there being a sixth soul present I always assumed was talking about the actual animatronics being molten together into one goop of Remnant. All the other jumps are things we know can/did happen anyway (Souls being able to split, Happiest Day being in a strange state of canonicity, etc)
Honestly Golden Freddy being melted down is the biggest jump to me. They’ve always been presented as this otherworldly wildcard and them just being yoinked for the plastic clown project offscreen and just existing twice for the same purpose and story is very strange.
@@siresquawks i don't think Golden Freddy gets melted tho, not a theory really maybe just food for thought, but there is a springlock suit on Sister Location, which is intact btw
@@punusername3445 But if Golden Freddy doesn't get melted, then only four things become one through the Funtimes, which kind of breaks the whole theme/story.
@@syweb2 I always considered the 5th one to be Elizabeth. As when ensnared comes together it would have 5 souls that way. This of course means that Molten only has 4 during 6.
I like this better narratively than molten MCI, and I think the pieces sit nicer this way. I got back into fnaf theories recently and I've kind of disliked how much of a hold molten MCI has on theorists.
i’m so glad that the fnaf theory community is finally leaving moltenMCI hell. i’ve never liked it and for a long time certain people have treated it as uncontested canon when it’s really not
I just wanna add to the whole debate regarding Candy Cadet's stories that not all 3 stories feature 5 things becoming one. In the kitten story, only 1 kitten dies, and the kitten is referred to as singular when talking about stitching it back together. That's the number 5 recurring, sure, but not 5 things becoming one. I think more aptly, ID's fantasy called out that Candy Cadet's story is about 3 different people who were all affected by the animatronics. First, Charlie, who represents the woman who tried to save the 5 kids by melting the keys together (binding their souls together? They are collectively bound to the MCI incident, maybe collectively also bound to the animatronics? idk) and in the process dooms them to (permanent) imprisonment (being stuck inside the animatronics). Second, Henry, the old man who tried to protect the orphans from the burglar but failed to do so when he went away from the house for a day. His solution (burying them all together in the same coffin) could be about the DCI collectively being buried with the FNAF 2 location or something of the sort. Third, the little boy's story. This one is a little different. ID's fantasy suggests this is Michael, but I'd argue differently. Michael, before the bite victim's death, is not exactly the loving person towards their brother (the supposed kitten). He acts more like the snake before the bite incident. That would make William the little boy, which fits better given the whole "putting them back together" part. It also works because William is (albeit indirectly) the reason Michael gets gutted open (he is the one sending Michael to SL). I also don't get how Cassidy is slotted in with molten MCI because there's no endo skeleton to Golden Freddy? Because it's a spring lock suit and not an actual animatronic.
I think Henry wasn't just referring to the MCI victims when he says "I need to bring them all back together in one place" I think this is explained in the connection terminated speech where he says to Elizabeth "You haven't been called here by the Individual you assume, although you have indeed been called. You have ALL been called here". All includes Scrap Baby, Afton, The Security Puppet (Lefty), and Molten Freddy. Yes in that part in the insanity ending he is talking about the MCI victims but at the end when he says "All" I interpret as Henry referring to his greater purpose overall which was he's trying to lure everyone to the FNAF 6 Pizzeria to be burned and to finally put an end to all of it. Your theory could still be right but I think using him saying the fact he wants to bring them "all" there as a piece of evidence as to why they may all be separate animatronics still isn't the greatest since we know what his overall goal was and him saying he's going to bring them "all" there in the insanity ending still lines up with what he actually ends up doing in the true ending but when he says "All" in the true ending he is referring to everyone not just the MCI victims.
Perhaps, and this might be a little crazy, Candy Cadet is telling us the origins of Ennard; that Ennard was five souls melted down into one. Because, remember; Ennard is NOT Baby; it's NOT Ballora; it's NOT Funtime Freddy, or Bon-Bon or Funtime Foxy; Ennard is something that then pulled all of the Funtimes into itself. But it started as something else; something not trapped in the auditoriums; it was something on the other side of the scooper room that then plotted to collect each of the robots and combined them into itself on the last night; up until the last night of the game, Ennard exists without the Funtime animatronics series as part of it's collective; it is an individual. We see the "final form" of Ennard in SL, which then goes onto become Molten Freddy... But like I said I'm starting to think Candy Cadet is trying to tell us the origins of a character, it's just telling us the first stage of that character and not about it's final form.
yes yes yes yes yes! I've always felt like molten MCI didn't quite work. I kind of accepted it because there wasn't any other explanation, but I always found it hard to reconcile it with a workable timeline (soul duplication, the fact that william dies at the end of follow me etc.). Idk if Rockstar MCI us necessarily the solution but I think you're definitely onto something!
@skelebonez1349 As squawks said, without Molten MCI, the placement of SL is less restricted, so it could kind of go anywhere, though I think it somewhat depends on Michael's motivations. The commonly accepted theory is that Micheal found out about his father's crimes during SL and then started his "I'm going to come find you" thing. If this is true, then I would place sister location before FNAF 2. However there is an alternative to this theory that states Micheal was fully aware of his Father's actions beforehand and even helped him, or was at least manipulated to do his bidding (Micheal is represented as a ventriloquist doll in a hidden poster in FFPS, suggesting William had some control over him at some point). This interpretation could allow SL to take place after FNAF 1. In this theory, Micheal goes to the FNAF 1 and 2 locations, not in spite of his father, but at his request. It's only after SL that Micheal finally finds the courage to stand up to his Father and goes to hunt him down (fnaf 3). The placement of SL could be altered a bit more depending on how the funtimes were possessed. Without molten MCI there are 2 possibilities (afaik). 1. The funtimes are designed as murder robots, so it's entirely possible they are possed by a new set of dead kids they kidnapped and killed themselves. This seems most likely to me, though one line from baby in FFPS could cast some doubt on that idea. "Now we can do what we were created to do, and be complete." This line suggests the funtimes might not have ever been used the way William intended. It's nothing concrete, but worth mentioning. This theory allows SL to go anywhere in the tineline as it does not rely on any previous MCIs. 2. Molten MCI2. As we know, there have been 2 missing children incidents in the FNAF timeline. At the end of FNAF 2, the toy animatronics are scrapped, so perhaps Afton used remnant from the toys to possess the funtimes. This opens up the debate on whether or not the toy animatronics are possessed but I don't want to go into that now (this comment is too long already). This theory would place SL anytime after FNAF 2.
@@whitefang1657 I’d personally likely put the actual fnaf SL story in after fnaf 1, but the Elizabeth stuff like before fnaf 2 ngl There is one more factor I think needs to be mentioned. Scott has a lot of biblical messaging, often about the sins people committed and them redeeming themselves from it
The rockstar animatronics just being ‘off screen’ does work quite well when you consider that Henry made Lefty, which shares the same features of the rockstars, which obviously implies that Henry made the rockstars. This means that either Henry is storing his creations elsewhere, or they are in the back somewhere for you to purchase and use. If we go with the information from FNAF AR then it just makes sense for those animatronics to be there Much prefer this theory over molten mci
@@DerpaTure9503 You aren't wrong... but! Lefty had to be sent out to capture the puppet inside them right? So what if the rockstars and lefty were created, the rockstars kept by Henry, and lefty sent to capture the puppet. Hence then then why you have to salvage them
I have a theory that Henry's speech is not talking about "Follow Me" Minigames but about something that happened between Fnaf 3 and FFPS. Candy Cadet Stories tell us that after Fnaf 3 the Puppet put the souls inside one animatronic - Molten Freddy, but it didn't help. Only made things worse. Then William lured them back to Freddy's and brainwashed the children. They think it's their friend Spring Bonnie and that killing kids is good. Edit: Most likely Henry is just talking about "Follow Me" Minigames - something what we saw. But I still think MCI victims were put inside the Molten Freddy by the Puppet and were not inside the Funtimes in the Sister Location.
Bro is sounded like the mycologist from inscryption with all the five into one. Another awesome video and I'm glad to get more insight on theories and stuff.
This does address a lot of the issues with molten mci that I agree with. However the main reasons I’ve always felt like molten mci had to be the explanation fnaf 6 was aiming for are: 1. What even is ennard/molten Freddy then? If we are to say it isn’t the amalgamation of spirits then what’s it’s importance even? Why did Henry take care to lure it to be burned. Molten Freddy is apart of main cast of fnaf6 it has to be of some importance to be REQUIRED to burned in order to get the good ending. Not to mention in its blueprint it’s noted to contain a large amount of remnant meaning something(s) is possessing it. 2. What’s the remnant injecting function of the scooper for then? In the blueprints it was specifically noted that the scooper could store and inject remnant. It presumably was used to inject remnant into ennard and Michael but that’s later on. Since William created this scooper with the intent that it could inject remnant into (presumably) animatronics then it would imply that he had remnant to work with and that he used it or intended to use it to inject remnant into animatronics at some point.
Answer to both: they have their own victims lured and killed with each funtime’s “special” features. This was spread around, extracted (“I’ve been out before”-baby) and put back while William was trying to understand and control it. The Molten gang are an amalgam, but of different kids in their own plot point.
@@siresquawks that is an explanation that works but it does just feel a bit strange then to include these kids as such a pivotal part of both sl and fnaf 6. Like you said none of the rockstars have much affect or presence anywhere but both Ennard and Molten Freddy are such important characters that it seems weird to have them just be random kids that were kidnapped by the Funtimes at random unspecified parties.
THANK YOU, sire squawks. I have had the SAME theory for so long now! I truly think this is more correct than the moltenMCI theory. I was watching one of the newest gtlive episodes yesterday and SCREAMING at my screen about this theory.
DUDE I would love to do a video on this some time I had so many interesting thought while watching… but will probably have to wait till after spring break. Hope the topic doesn’t die in that time.
the rockstar animatronics are like the most forgotten part of the series tbh, so i appreciate them getting some actual lore implication rather than 'hehe silly robots for the fake pizza place!!'
I appreciate someone finally saying that molten mci makes no sense. But honestly having the mci kids being in the rockstars also doesn't make sense since they aren't needed to get the canon ending of fnaf 6
Something just came into my mind, i think the way that the spirits in golden freddy died are relevant in the moltenMCI theory, the crying child died from the metal parts of golden freddy when he was bite, but cassidy was stuffed inside of golden freddy suit without the endoskeleton, so, if willian really had molten the animatronic parts, only the spirit of the crying child would be melted into the funtime animatronics, summing a total of 5 spirits, but that’s just a theory, not even a theory just a thought…
Amazing video, very logical and easy to follow. I have an unrelated question though, when was the first missing children’s incident? Was it around the time of FNaF 1? Or was it much earlier?
Far earlier. While Frights is confusing and has odd connections, it is the only time we've ever been given an explicit date to work with for the MCI which is 1985. The community just kinda uses it cause we got nothing better.
Candy cadet is an analogy to henry's failure in freeing the spirits. It's a way of saying he was wrong. Scott mentioned the idea of a mall being built on top of a freddy's in TSE. It's well known he had been setting up Security Bread behind the curtains way before we got it. It isn't that absurd to believe he had something like the blob planned since fnaf 6.
Also, I'll die before I give up on my theory that the Rockstars are all like lefty. They're a way of tying up the lose end that fnaf 3's Bad Ending created.
@@monerb7185 Have people in the fnaf community just colectively decided that the FNAF 3 ending question is settled on "burning Fazbear Frights down freed the spirits"? They are still the good and the bad endings , not the true and the fake endings. That created a timeline split, and all the Rockstars being created to contain spirits like lefty was makes it so that the timelines merge again.
@@miketheant1107 well the video kindoff agrees with you theory the only difference is lefty is the only one that went out cpature while the other 4 rockstars already have the spirits captured and pacified
Molten MCI never made much literal sense, and is dramatically subversive as it undoes the good ending of fnaf 3. Its a terrible idea all around..... THAT SAID, I really doubt Scott is going to contradict something that's been considered canon for so long at this point, and I don't think he cares that much about plot holes like Afton having not time to build them before getting springlocked. I think we're stuck with it.
No nightmare mci which is that all the children still think Mike is William so they all haunt his nightmares as the nightmares and the puppet decided to be plush trap to make a joke about Williams ego and eventually only ballon boy’s spirit joins them in bullying Michael
I think everything about the rockstars sounds pretty spot on. I would assume to make this, story hickup, work would be that molten fredrick has agony in him and big purple didnt take their entire spirits. boy this series is nutty haha
i think molten freddy is bite victim, the poster that represents the afton family has everyone present in fnaf 6 exept for bite victim who is represented by a bear with sharp teeth and a party hat that looks like ennards and in the poster baby has him on a leash like how ennard was in the source code before they split
another way of interpreting henry’s line about william taking everything they had again would be william taking away their happiest day (when they were killed and maybe in fnaf 3 because Scott said the canon ending in that game was “complex”)
At first I was hesitant to watch this video for whatever reason, but after watching it, I totally agree with you. The info should be foremost found in the games, and SL doesn't refer to MoltenMCI in any way, shape or form. Furthermore, the existence of remnant in the games wasn't even established at during SL, and was confirmed to exist during FNaF6. I doubt that Scott would have thought to include something like that in FNaF3, a game that was supposed to be the last game in the series.
Goddammit I have never been jump scared by an audio only video before(I was listening while at work) but GODDAMNIT when you ran all the audio into the left channel I thought someone was behind me and jumped off my ladder!
There's a video by ID's Fantasy that suggests that the CC stories are Charlie (woman trying to free kids with keys); Michael (boy who unleashes a killer snake on kittens), and Henry (old man who takes in orphans who are killed by a burgler). There are 2 missing kids incidents that we know of. What if there's a third? Charlie frees the kids from one. Henry transfers the kids from another into the rockstar animatronics. And the souls in Ennard/Molten Freddy that Michael frees (by getting scooped) are from a 3rd, unknown incident caused by the funtimes themselves.
I like this explanation but I got a couple questions. Could Lefty have been made from parts of Golden Freddy? And if so. Does that mean Cassidy spirit got transplanted into Lefty? Plus if we go with Two Souls in GF route. Is the CC/BV, Afton’s youngest is in Lefty as well? That would imply that besides Charlotte, we got three souls in Lefty. Lefty an animatronic that do attacks Us(the player/Michael) and not William in the same building.
That makes sense but has 2 issues. 1 is assuming that the Golden Freddy suit was ever found at all, every instance we see of them is some kind of apparition that has the ability to freely teleport and induce vivid hallucinations to distract people. and 2, we only ever hear one young, femaleish voice coming from Lefty in both PS and UCN
I believe in a version of the theory where their remnant was added to Ennard after they kicked out Baby rather then them already being their in SL. It explains things like Molten Freddy's name and allows for them to be in MF without all the weird details them already being in the Funtimes would give. And we know that Funtime Freddy-led Ennard is willing to work with William. He showed up at the Pizza sim location when Henry gave the signal pretending to be Afton.
I just want to note that regardless of whether or not you buy the rockstars, they are canonically there in the restaurant. You have children's drawings of them in your office, so they must have been there at some point.
I think Molten MCI is true but I HATE it! I mean it’s SO stupid! Firstly, anything that revolves around “remnant” in this franchise already makes it 100x dumber to me so this Molten MCI thing is fundamentally stupid. However, on top of how dumb the whole remnant thing is, it doesn’t even make sense on a LOGICAL level. I mean like didn’t Afton die after follow me so like how was he able to get the remnant in the Funtimes? You can say he got there remnants one by one but that’s just…strange. Not only is it stupid, but it completely FUCKS UP the fnaf 3 ending Happiest Day! Afton got what he deserved for what he did to the kids and was officially killed afterwards, the kids all got their happiest day FINALLY and got to move on and Freddy’s Fright was burned down so now Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza can no longer hurt anymore people. It was just such a bitter sweet and beautiful ending but was completely ruined but this. I’d be okay with the series continuing after that as long as it doesn’t ruin the ending too much. Like if Sister Location just had its OWN group of kids who were trapped there then THEY became Molten Freddy I’d be okay with it. Like Fnaf 3 was the ending to Gabriel Sussie Fritz and Jeremy’s story but Fnaf 6 was the end to EVERYTHING. Afton died, Henry died, Charlie died, Micheal died, Elizabeth died, the sister location kids died, anyone else William killed died. UCN was kinda just the end cutscene to that. Everyone is resting and now Afton is suffering in hell in the hands of his angriest victim Cassidy. Everything was supposed to be over now, but it CANT because now we need The Blob in Security Breach that completely messed up BOTH endings.
Great theory! I always thought that Sister Location was before FNAF 2 as the guard in the first 2 games is fired for odor. MoltenMCI kind of disregarded that and this is an amazing explanation.
Though I do feel like just because there are more than five souls doesn't mean it is too out of the question bc in my personal belief a lot of the issues that cause everything to get tangled into a mess is when we look too far into specifics. I feel like Scott placed clues like musical notes rhat build up to a theme he wants us to come to, or use the notes to come to our own equally valid conclusion. With all art looking at specific numbers and trying to make everything cohesive when there was so much different interpretations and changes in the lore will make a not satisfactory conclusion. I am NOT saying to go matpat and be all dramatic and just ignore evidence against you and that's why I love this youtuber so much, it feels like we're just discussing lore then matpat putting a whole play with him portraying himself as this lone guide through the mess of fnaf when he isn't.
Could you, in the future, have like a 10 second re-cap of the theory being adressed xD There's so many going around and I just have no idea what MCI refers to... I'm guessing maybe missing children incident but even then, short summary would be awesome q-q
Can I just say that this makes so much sense and yet still doesn't debunk Molton Freddy having souls in him. They could even be the other 5 kids that William's killed. The Funtimes were already made (i personally believe that they, or at least Baby, wasn't originally made for capture kids) and were later injected with their souls by William for the plan to continue with his experiments but then he gets Springlocked.
I never said Molten Freddy has *no* souls. I think the funtimes did what they were meant to, and those kids are their spirits, and have been sloshed around and experimented on via the scooper.
@@siresquawks I didn't mean to say he didn't have souls, my bad. Though I think that the dead kids we see spread out the Pizzeria may of been used to put their souls in the Funtimes. This would explain how none of the workers we know are in the Bunker with Michael were not killed until Michael made himself known and why William is Springlocked during Sister Location, he already killed the kids prior to the restaurant being closed/abandoned, waited in the old Location while Micheal was down in the bunker and then dismantles the animatronics. We know that Michael had to go down to the bunker if William wasn't there since Michael wouldn't need to find him otherwise if he saw him after every night.
Huh, that theory about the originals becoming the Rockstars does makes a lot of sense of that Faz-fact now! Also, we see Golden Freddy is black in FNaF 3 which would explain why Lefty is black as well! (Assuming that is Golden Freddy but it would be weird using it to capture the Puppet as well.) As for understanding the insanity ending ,yes, the monster Henry is talking about is William. Pretty sure the new way to destroy that Henry is talking about are the Funtime animatronics that now can kill children for him instead of him doing it himself. I think when talking about the animatronics being used in ways he never thought possible, he means as killing machines. I think what Henry meant by robbing the only they had, I think he meant by William getting springtrapped, it made it impossible for the spirits to move on, thus taking away their chance for freedom. The issue with the theory is the Rockstars aren't needed for the true ending but it still involves luring animatronics back to the location and one would normally expect for them to be needed for the ending anyway. I always thought the "5 become 1" thing for the MCI didn't feel like the answer. Just don't know what it is now.
When i was younger, I THOUGHT that funtime's just got bad remnant from stuffing suffering random children in them, and I don't see why it can't be just that. Seriously, what is the reason y'all think they need to have parts of toys, or OG gang? Yea, they morf into one, but that's simply because they have ONLY ONE MICHAEL. And they are not spirits, just a bunch of dark remnant robots so they don't really need to care about being independent (Correct me if I'm stupid I probably am)
I have to ask, do we know if there are spirits besides Elizabeth inside the other funtime characters? Or are they like more plot relevant toy animatronics where a couple has souls but not all of them.
I believe that the original mci victims (or their agony or remnant) may have been passed on to the Rockstar animatronics because correct me if I'm wrong but I swear somewhere that it said that the Rockstar animatronics (or at least Rockstar Bonnie) were reconstructed with the Fnaf 1 animatronic parts (it may have been somewhere in the Fnaf VR HW code or in Fnaf Ar's code)
In TFC, the spirits in the molten amalgamation view Afton as their friend until Carlton shows them the truth, so that could do have to do with Candy Cadet's stories.
what if Evan isnt even pocessing Golden freddy? what if hes just haunting his brother, thats why he cant see cause he isnt in a suit hes just a lost spirit. Evan dies in a hospital due to fnaf 4 ending due to the flat line noise. There is a form of Consistency in the dead kids haunting animatronics and that is that the animatronic and the kid need to be skin to animatromic contact till death to haunt the animatronic. idk its just a thought I had. OR what if Evan was haunting golden freddy with the one who you should of not killed until fnaf 3, after all the party was for HIM he died on his birthday and I would argue that Evan had the most tragic death so perhaps thats why the made a party for him because he never had his. (random thought, what if Glamrock freddy us haunted by evan because after all "they where all his friends" Mike never really had a personal relationship with any of the victims so perhaps Evan is glamrock freddy but that is more of a thought lol)
This video is great! I’ve never really believed in MoltenMCI because I never really understood how it worked but RockstarMCI does make some sense. It’s not perfect, but this is FNaF. We ain’t getting perfect theories unless if Scott explicitly says “This is cannon”. I also have some questionable theories that kind of make sense so I’ll make a reply with them soon probably.
I might know the crying child’s name.This is at top of this comment because it’s important. So I was thinking; is there any reason that C.C. chose Gregory as a name over his real name? Wait a minute, what if he's Gregory because that IS his real name? Anyways there’s more theories in this comment if you are interested in my other dumb ideas. I have a few controversial theories that I think might help solving this franchise. Here they are, sorry the comment is long. So minor revelations I have had include: I feel like I could find a lot of evidence pointing to Mike being a pyromaniac. Don’t have much, but I could probably find it I wonder if there’s a connection between souls that have possessed the same animatronic Mike might’ve been neglected, leading to the bullying I think Monty might’ve been lashing out at Bonnie because he was insecure about not being important This is kinda random, but I think of possessed things as two halves. Let’s take Vanny as an example; Vanessa is the physical body, and Glitchtrap is the mind, put together they make Vanny I think that there are three major animatronics in the pizzaplex that are NOT under the control of Glitchtrap; Freddy due to safe mode, DJMM probably only acts violent in bouncer mode and he didn’t attack us after the boss battle was over, and the daycare attendant who either only has a safe mode and acts hostile due to us being up late or can only be controlled on the moon side of him. And that’s it! Now onto the part where I make everyone hate me. I seriously believe that people are going to hate this more that robo-greg theory. But I think I might be able to use logic to explain some things that don’t make sense about FNaF 4, and I’ve came to a new(?) conclusion on who we are playing as. So first, the Elizabeth dies first VS C.C dies first. The nanny cam could’ve been because William wanted to make sure his children were okay, not specifically from the animatronics The empty room could’ve been Elizabeth bothering her dad, we know she loves the animatronics The smoking gun, and something I feel strong with more than anything else in this part of the comment is: What if C.C did not see something traumatic? Stay with me here - we know from the fruity maze minigame that FNaF has pointed out how gullible children are, an adult is SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to believe their dog hasn’t died than a child. So what if he saw something CONFUSING about the animatronics. What if C.C saw something about the animatronics that confused him, asked Mike, and Mike came up with some scary story that traumatized the young child? I feel confident that these help prove C.C died first. Now onto the part where everyone hates me. I think C.C had nightmares. I won’t lie, it seems likely. The nightmares could’ve escalated his fear a lot which would’ve made his the terrified child we saw in the mini games. And you’re probably thinking, “You said a new idea! This isn’t new!” But shush, let me finish. I think he told his family about the nightmares. And his father listened, curious. He made a note of it, maybe for a halloween special or something. He didn’t want to capitalize on his child’s trauma, but it was an idea. Years later, William needed a way to keep Mike from running away. Something that scared him like the crying child was scared, something as close to that as possible. What scared him? His nightmares mostly. So William decided to make illusions of the nightmares because it was easier. The illusions worked, and Mike was terrified. So do I think that we play as both of them in FNaF 4? If you saw the early versions of this comment(i’m on like version 5 now, maybe more) then I would say yes. However I now think that C.C. had the nightmares that we see other than Nightmare himself. He also did not hear the phone call. This would put Mike as the protagonist of FNaF 4.
@@SCP-469 This is FNaF. FNaF is very commonly retconned. Unfortunately, this means that things explicitly said to be canon in the past may no longer be canon. Unless if Scott said that very recently, it may have changed. Additionally, I never said I was right. I was just sharing theories to try and solve the lore. So deal with it or go away.
ID's Fantasy brought up the difference between FuntimeMCI and MoltenMCI in her fixing MatPat's SL problem video. FuntimeMCI I feel like is pretty much debunked right now. MoltenMCI is still very possible, in my view, but there's not that much backing to it without the Funtime part. Like, the entire theory right now in the community in general centers around FuntimeMCI. RockstarMCI could work, I like it a bit right now, but there are certainly problems with it too (I don't really like the complete absence of Golden Freddy in it, MoltenMCI can still pick up Golden Freddy or whichever spirits are still left from it at that time somewhere between SL and FFPS). Haven't watched the bonus video, so I'll see what's brought up there. That FNAF AR fact about original Bonnie being used for Rockstar Bonnie is huge, though.
I like the theory, and I agree molten mci might not be the right answer. That being said, in the true ending of fnaf 6, the fire definitely sets the mci spirits free, however having the Rockstar animatronics is not required to obtain that ending (as far as I know). I feel like that's a pretty big issue with the Rockstar mci theory.
I think the reason why I like the books a lot more than others is that the most I've seen out of them connecting to the games (especially the FF series) is parralells. TFTPP might be a part of the games continuity, but while I'm excepting that it is for now, I wouldn't be surprised if information comes out saying that it isn't.
One person making five things into one could be Henry bringing five beings to the pizzeria simulator, (Michael, William, Charlie, Elizabeth, the fun times)
If the thing about the rockstars is true, how would they have pieces of the animatronics in SB on display, if they used salvageable parts they would of had to used those. And also it clearly shows that the animatronics were only shells in the follow me mini game. Showing that funny bunny man took their endoskeletons to make the fun times. And why would they show the gravestones of the OG kids if after the fire only the fun times were set free. In the game it’s NEVER REQUIRED to get the rockstar animatronics, so it doesn’t make sense for them to still be in there. Edit: just saw the bonus vid! Thanks for improving on your points.
What do you think about the Bad Ending in FNAF 3 being the canon one? I personally think that the MCI kids still needing to be burned in Pizzeria Simulator leads credence to this because their souls aren’t released yet.
There is a theory that happiest day just hasn't happened yet, but I'm overall indifferent on the whole topic, I haven't really planted my feet on it yet.
@@siresquawks I see, well thanks for the insight. Also I know that Scott didn’t plan everything out in the beginning but I still think he used Chika having a different endo skeleton eye (her not being part of the original cast) and Golden Freddy having two eye balls lit (there being two spirits inside the suit) to help us understand things with small details. Just food for thought honestly. Also also, you could see Golden Freddy being gone completely in the Good Ending as the crying child moving on completely and Cassidy not getting their happiest day
From a Doylist standpoint it makes sense. Fnaf 3 was meant to be the end of a trilogy around the Pizzeria, William and the kids so it makes a lot of sense that the endings work as a branching path. If Fnaf ended at 3 or 4 then Happiest Day would have been the true ending but because it didn't end there Scott could use the other ending to give himself wiggle room to bring those characters back.
Sire Squawks has the best fnaf takes merely for the fact that he admits that it doesn’t make sense and he doesn’t shoehorn in random junk to make his own version
9:00 that line about Rockstar Bonnie being from the original Bonnie is something I've had in mind since the release of FFPS. The Rockstars look like sleek plastic version of the Withered animatronics in terms of face and draw structure (most clearly seen in the more triangular Foxy face shape shared and the two Chicas mouth), and while generally I dislike the idea of remnant, Henry clearing out the bodies from the bots and then fixing them up with the remnant still remaining is a very clean idea of how they end up at the final location.
I always felt weird about moltenmci but never could say why, glad that this could illusutrate the problems it does have at least even if most still believe in moltenmci
Me personally I believe the metal can be left “cursed” even if the spirits are liberated is like the agony of the deaths will remain in the metal therefore the word “remnant” to describe it I believe you can have happiest day and remnant from them. And yes I can see the your interpretation of the candy cadet and makes sense thats my issue with the lore you have to specify sometimes to make a case and sometimes u have to be very general
