A Dress Historian Explains the Difference between Corsets and Stays

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What's the difference between corsets and stays? What are Elizabethan bodies? When did stays start being called corsets? What did Regency and early Victorian corsets look like? Today, I'm going to go through a brief overview of what makes these boned support garments different from each other, explain their origins, etymology, and their evolution. This video is not extensive, and even at 30 minutes long should be viewed as "scratching the surface" because this topic is *huge*!
Boned support garments have been worn by women for hundreds of years, they provided structured back support, chest support, posture control, and helped provide the fashionable silhouette. "Corset" is the most common term that we use today, but not all boned support garments are called a corest. Bodies and stays are also a part of the boned support garment family (as well as jumps and bodice...kinda).
While not extensive as this video could be (honestly, it could be a series), in this video I'm going explain, as best as I can, a brief history of when the boned garment came into fashion for European women during the Elizabethan period, how it evolved into 18th century stays, how corsets and stays existed at the same time in the 18th century but are not the same thing, and then how stays eventually gave way to the Victorian corset when it comes to name and style.
So if you're looking for a brief history on the corset (seriously, very brief, and this video is 30 minutes long), then you've come to the right place!
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@CathyHay 3 года назад

I am squealing with joy at how far the costuming community has come in getting lots of ACTUAL ACCURATE INFORMATION out into the mainstream in this area. Nowadays it's like a relentless collective flood of SERIOUSLY GUYS WE'RE NOT DEAD YET NO REALLY and Actual Research in THIS level of detail, and it's a joy to see!

@ariellelionessofYah 3 года назад

Cathy, yes! I’m so appreciative of this too🙏💗

@michellecornum5856 3 года назад

Abby! Look what you did! You made Cathy squeal! (Hee Hee! Nobody said that's a bad thing -- cuz it's not!)

@lilybloome1601 3 года назад

Oh, the joy

@anneth7154 3 года назад

💜💜💜

@TheSuzberry 3 года назад

I’m unable to imagine you squealing. A little dance with demure hand clapping, maybe.

@dissodatore 3 года назад

I love that they think that the doctors, who had issues keeping women alive during childbirth, could cut a person open to remove a rib or three and keep them alive after!

@dissodatore Год назад

@@mementomori1022 , hence the last part of my comment, "and keep them alive after!"

@GuiSmith Год назад

@@mementomori1022 I hate to be pedantic (who am I kidding, it’s entertaining as hell), _but_ the risk of death during childbirth was often related to the risk of death after invasive surgery because both were usually infections. Though haemorrhaging was a concern, it was often femoral fever that swept hospitals with birth wards.

@BBeeeeeee Год назад

@@GuiSmith It is honestly surprising when you figure out how the doctor who thought "If we washed our hands and equipment thoroughly between sick people we won't spread the sickness" had actual proof that this worked, but the other doctors didn't like his attitude so ignored him and he ended up in a mental asylum....

@AMERICAN.MADE.GOODS2020 Год назад

Yea it was largely actually the medical practices causing infection and sepsis in women in child birth because they were very unsanitary and literally gave women infections. Its not so much of child birthing, women have birthed children since the begining of time, its because of monopolistic practices via force of globalist agendas to have mass dependency on pharmaceuticals and changing natural tradition that drastically effected maternal mortality rate, they screwed with it, changed up traditional practices, were so unsanitary and to forceful and harsh, and then later improved their sucky practices with "doctoral" and pharmaceutical aid. Women don't need doctors in labo 9.5 times out of 10, emergencies especially today with some actually legitimately helpful advancements, yet not without it indoctrination and henderance still in labor that causes more problems than helps, and one intervention leads to more it cascades and usually doctors want to do something that's unnecessary because of monopolized pharmaceuticals medical standards brought on by these large organizations formed by these globalists like the world health organization fda, nih, cdc, etc etc In contrast to one another commenter said

@joshdobs9772 Год назад

What was the first electrical medical device? None other than the female stimulator. A medical vibrator for the treatment of hysteria. Have a miserable/ nervous wife? Send her off to get diddled by the Doctor...

@sarachoate88 3 года назад

Look as a woman who is "blessed" in boob department a corset/stays seems like it would be hella more comfortable on my shoulders and back than the current over the shoulder bolder holders.

@chelseaprater8821 3 года назад

100% it is! And also can relieve lower back pain

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

Corsets & Stays are *sooooo* much better for chest support! so so much better!

@akashanumberfive199 3 года назад

Spoiler alert. It IS

@angelsovich997 3 года назад

I have a 52 inch bust measurement and a 41 inch below bust measurement. I have never found a "comfortable" bra. My corset is comfortable and supportive. I can adjust the lacing so that everything fits.

@chelseaprater8821 3 года назад

I've had back issues since high school and as a new mom who's body has changed, my corset is so important to me It helps relieve my lumbar pain, I breastfed so it keeps my boobs up where they should be, and it gives me a smooth tummy which makes my clothes fit nicer

@ashleyscheel9032 3 года назад

As a currently 6mo pregnant woman with her second baby, I can see SO MANY health benefits to corsets for women in the past! Women had babies, usually LOTS of babies, or they died in child birth quite often. Being pregnant usually causes diastasis recti (separation of the abs), causing structural instability. Without proper PT and rehab, it can cause all sorts of issues, including issues with subsequent pregnancies where the baby won’t be in the right position because the skeletal structure of the mom isn’t optimal. I’m currently wearing a belly support band to counteract ALL of those issues (and yet no one would sneeze at my using it now, so why would women have sneezed at “corset” support then?). There are also issues with organs not being supported correctly because of poor core strength. So corseted support may have helped keep organs in place more than be the cause of the displacement! We are just now starting to understand much of these issues that most women/mothers face, and yet past generations dealt with the consequences in very practical ways. They may not have known how to address the underlying problem with functional physical therapies, but they did creat garments that helped with so many issues. If you were faced with possible death from a baby not being in optimal position or dealing with crippling joint issues from lack of stabilization v wearing a supporting garment every day, you’d wear the garment! And that doesn’t even touch the topic of breast size and the added weight of lactating breasts! The sad thing is that we have become so far removed from what it means and is like to be a biologically functioning female, that we have lost all ties to the women that came before us and can’t begin to comprehend their realities of day to day life! They weren’t just vain and oppressed women. They were practical and purposeful people who we should learn from and not put down because we do not fully understand them!

@KimHazer 3 года назад

I had to wear a belly band in my last pregnancy as well. I would've totally preferred a corset honestly. That thing was a nightmare for me to fit correctly!

@aristaniforth4267 3 года назад

This makes all the sense. I’m postpartum and would love a pair of stays 😂

@MomsMakingHistory 3 года назад

I'm also postpartum and I'm wearing my corset for back support because deadlifting a rapidly growing baby is HARD. I had access to a maternity corset too without boning and I preferred it to my belly band because it didn't cut into my ribs. But of course my MIL thought I was gonna hurt my baby so you know. Corset myths alive and well. 🙄 (Even though maternity corsets were still used even after bras came into fashion well into the first half of the twentieth century...)

@ashleyscheel9032 3 года назад

I’m telling ya! There was very legit reasons to wear support. I have a feeling those who demonized them either were single and not mothers or it was for ideological reasons, not practical ones! My first was an emergency c-section and I couldn’t wear support because it just hurt too much! But that may have contributed to the longer recovery and instability of this pregnancy!

@michellecornum5856 3 года назад

Yep. SOO agree with you. I have diastasis recti, got it with my 4th child, and oddly, or disturbingly, enough I split in the first trimester. My next (and final) pregnancy was TWINS! After all these years, I finally got my sternum to point downward again, though I still have a couple of ribs that are distended. And a couple of weeks ago, I completely forgot myself and sat STRAIGHT UP in bed, and had to wear every binder and cincher I had to relieve the non-sense and pain that that caused. It's hard to be an upright human. I used to do sit-ups to relieve a hereditary bad back, and now I can't even do that.

@alic1307 3 года назад

Last historical reference to ‘stays’ my granny in 2010 before she passed away aged 96. She was brought up by her Victorian farmer grandmother (whose mother had been a dressmaker) and she ALWAYS referred to her control underwear as ‘having her stays on’ my mind was boggled as a child!!! 😂

@EriBarr Год назад

I hope your family kept some of the dresses your great grandmother made.. that would be awesome 😊

@marydlutes1792 10 месяцев назад

My mother always talked about "stays" as foundational undergarments that all "ladies" should wear. I was a teenager in the 1970's. I thought she was nutz. And I still do not wear a bra - I am VERY petite, tho.

@alexandriatrenier7366 13 дней назад

That’s some amazing history. Thanks for sharing

@NataliaNNS 3 года назад

I’d be down for an entire series about this tbh

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

I probably will do more, I just need ... time... lots of time... 😂

@persiswynter6357 3 года назад

I'll second that!

@andreamcneil375 3 года назад

Yes! I'd love more timelines for underpants too.

@thebratqueen 3 года назад

Same! I'd also love to learn about when things changed over from using shapewear to create, well, shape and putting emphasis on changing the actual body instead. What was going on in society and in the clothing industry to create that change?

@MomsMakingHistory 3 года назад

There's a great book from the Minnesota Historical Society Press called In the Mood for Munsingwear about 20th century underwear. Highly recommend!

@ashreebird 3 года назад

3:20 women today also use surgery to get the right size/shape (there’s still an ideal shape....think of the instabody) what’s interesting to me is that they’re still adding padding to the same areas, it’s just fat underneath the skin instead of a bustle underneath the skirt.

@emilysmith2965 3 года назад

Gross, but YES, when you put it like that, it makes total sense.

@skaditFashion 3 года назад

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@Lic021 3 года назад

the hilarious thing about your rant about women dying from corsets is....my nan actually DID have an 18 inch waist on her wedding day but she's also a tiny, very very slim 5'2 woman (or was when she was married, she's shorter now) who weighs less than I did as a pre-teen perfectly possible for someone to have that small of a waist without a corset, but you have to be small everywhere else too, bodies are designed to be in proportion

@SusanYeske701 3 года назад

Yeah, I had a friend who had Scarlett's waistline as a teenager. She was like 5' even. And that was without a corset. She'd have made Scarlett green with envy.

@frockups5931 3 года назад

I have friends who have very lean, lanky shapes so I always eyeroll so hard at saying certain extant clothes were "obvious a teenager's dress". I know people who have those proportions who are 36. They have no desire to, but could lace down to 18-20" easily. I can do 23-45 waist-hip if I tried because that's what my body is shaped like. Bodies come in all shapes and sizes, even the ones people think are extreme and ridiculous.

@Eloraurora 3 года назад

@@frockups5931 I always thought the "this was a teen's dress" conclusion was a combination of small size and minimal wear, as opposed to a small garment that had been worn over many years.

@mirandahacket729 2 года назад

I'm 5' and very petite, when I'm at my natural weight of 102lbs my waist is 19" but I look so childish when I'm thin so I gained weight and now have a 27" waist. Currently trying to train it back down 😓🤣

@jonesnori Год назад

I've seen explanations also that smaller dresses were less likely to be mined for fabric to make new things, since they had less fabric in them. As a result, more survived.

@emilieviau-drouin4591 3 года назад

Ah, well done! Just a note: A "brasserie" is a place to get beer (brewery and pub). A "brassière" is the ol' "over-the-shoulder-boulder-holder". But that was fun :)

@annhinchliffe8314 3 года назад

oh good, you saved me wondering whether delightful Abby would mind a minor correction. Brassière rhymes with derrière or classy-there.

@EvlNabiki 3 года назад

Oh, thank you for this, I was wondering if it was an American Vs British pronunciation difference 😅

@annhinchliffe8314 3 года назад

@@EvlNabiki I wondered too! Happy New Year to all readers.

@jenniferpearce1052 3 года назад

@@EvlNabiki A typical American not-trying-to-sound-French pronunciation would be more like bruh-ZEER.

@TherealHRHMarissa 3 года назад

I was hoping someone would mention this too!

@MirandaMilner 3 года назад

Boning vs cording explanation: Boning is to a corset as your bones are to your body. Cording is to a corset as cartilage is to your ears.

@PinkertonDanPie 3 года назад

I will always watch deep dives into the history of words and the evolution of language. It's so fascinating

@kaysprerogative6746 3 года назад

Check out the podcast history of English. It's all about how history formed English

@JeromeViolist 3 года назад

@@kaysprerogative6746 I love that podcast!

@Amarianee 3 года назад

And occasionally infuriating. I've had to learn how to silence my, "Um, actually..." knee jerk response to so many things 😫

@MyNameHere101 3 года назад

Ikr!!! I love studying middle english! Bodies to bodice makes total sense!

@DawnOldham 3 года назад

Me too!

@sarahhardy8649 3 года назад

Oh dear, well if you think doing web searches for “stays” is troublesome, please please please don’t look up “boning” 😂😂

@sophieinspired 3 года назад

Yeah.. I did that mistake 😂 kinda daaahhh Moment 🙄😂

@bridgetthewench 3 года назад

I don't even know if safe search would help with that 😬

@carlyalakija4703 3 года назад

You can but you have to put like 16th century etc to get the results you want

@princessketamine0 3 года назад

@@carlyalakija4703 or maybe it'll just come up with colonial boners fhkshdksjdksjsks

@alexia3552 3 года назад

lmaO

@patriciathomas9669 Год назад

I used to do ballet. The costumes were designed by Pat Padilla of Houston Ballet. One thing I remember about the design of the classical ballet costume was the bodice. Often, the bodice looked like many of the stays shown in this video. I've also had to wear a corset with Victorian style gowns. Both proved quite supportive and were not the torture devices they are often made out to be.

@flamingteapot9464 3 года назад

As someone who used to live in an old house which had wide stone walls and was only heated by fire places in the winter, I can completely understand why someone might layer underwear and clothing in a bizarre way. My pyjama days were generally corsets, vest tops, pj's, jumper and jeans days. My sister in law would sometimes wear 2 bras because every layer helps. We could never understand why my father in law didn't seem to get cold, now I realise most of his clothes were wool.

@bridgetthewench 3 года назад

Oh, wool. I live in an old-ish house for my area (built around 1900) and the radiators aren't quite up to the task of keeping us warm enough in the winter, so I'm highly considering making some long wool skirts.

@SusanYeske701 3 года назад

@@bridgetthewench the Restoring Ross blog has stuff about that. I can't recall the right term for what he has in his 1800 Queen Anne that is keeping things toasty in winter, but he blogged about it. And it's in conjunction with the radiators.

@melissaockey1346 3 года назад

@@bridgetthewench from someone who has lived in old freezing flats with no insulation and no heating during winter the way we kept warm was tights under trackpants, woollen thermals under multiple thrifted woolen jumpers. Possum socks and three hot water bottles. I can imagine havin a coal range going for cooking all day, multiple layers of underwear and some kind of head gear u would be the perfect temp

@bridgetthewench 3 года назад

@@melissaockey1346 Yes, all the layers! I have numerous handmade hats, though they're acrylic, not wool, and they make such a difference.

@traciebecker6669 3 года назад

Could strip down to your shift or shift and stats when cooking. Keep a coat, robe or cloak type garment handy in case someone came by.

@a.bookmonkey6790 3 года назад

Every time Abby said “corsets became mainSTAYS in women’s garments” I laughed

@danielsykes7558 3 года назад

^^^ Same, lolll. She also says "radical SHIFTS in women's undergarments", she doesn't even know the puns.

@ragnkja 3 года назад

The word “stays” is a hard one to promote using an algorithm, since it can be a verb as well as a noun, and is used in far more different contexts than “corset” is.

@saragarofano6471 2 года назад

Yea

@RestingBitchface7 3 года назад

I never get enough of the dumpster fire.... Stays are more comfortable than bras, but have never given me an 18” waist.

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

Agree on all counts!

@TheVikingHighlander 3 года назад

As a larger busted lady, I wholeheartedly concur. #BringBackStays #BrasAreTheDevil

@katanah3195 3 года назад

Oh yeah, the dumpster fire is great. 20th century myths about corsets are great for having a laugh at modernism's expense.

@expatpiskie 3 года назад

There's a reason that my mum's colleague, a trained corsetière & seamstress was still making corsets into the 1980s, not for costumers but for ordinary ladies. They worked in a mini department store in Cornwall, UK, and Ethel was making corsets until just before she died.

@wenkachan6180 3 года назад

I read a book of two french corsetière of 1910 (with corsets pattern) , and they were already saying shit about the type of corset they use 15 years ago, and they also had a corset name Louis XV, and they wrote in the book "don't worry ladies, this is not the torture machine they used in the reign of Louis XV" That let me WTF, the vision of corset (stays in this example) as torture devises is so much older. (Women of the past did already shade other women of the past, and this is a great example to show how humans will always be humans 😂😂)

@SarahBent 3 года назад

"I hope you guys are ready for an entomology rabbit hole" always Abby. Always.

@SarahBent 3 года назад

I did not know that torso length was a factor in the ability to lace down. I have plenty of squish but my hips and ribs touch.

@ragnkja 3 года назад

Etymology, not entomology. Entomology is the study of insects.

@SarahBent 3 года назад

Sorry. I didn't know how to spell it and trusted autocorrect. That's always a mistake.

@merindymorgenson3184 3 года назад

@@SarahBent I’m a fellow ribs-sit-on-hips person. I was skinny for many years, and even then (about 100 pounds and 5’2”) I didn’t look like I had a very slender waist because there was just no space for narrowing. I think standing tall and sort of stretching myself up I have about an inch between my bottom rib and top of hip bone. It made finding dresses so difficult that I just stopped wearing dresses. And I was a big fan of dropped waist pants because regular pants waistbands sat on my ribs, or gauged into my ribs, unsurprisingly not a comfy sort of situation.

@Griiisetryne 3 года назад

"Women had their ribcages removed" I can't stop laughing, I just picture someone having their ENTIRE ribcage plucked out like 'nah I don't need this' 😂

@ragnkja 3 года назад

Even “just” removing the bottom pair of ribs before modern anaesthesia and antibiotics send bizarre to me.

@Griiisetryne 3 года назад

@@ragnkja Absolutely! Story you didn't ask for: When I told my gran I was making a proper Victorian corset, she instantly told me about how women were having their ribs removed etc etc 🙃 I was like 'no gran, just think about it for two seconds. Why would women voluntarily undergo a seriously dangerous procedure for pure vanity, when a very neccesary tooth pulling could leave you with a nasty infection?' She immidiately did a complete 180 turn and just said 'Yeah I thought there was something not right about that.' 😂

@elizabethzaske1242 3 года назад

When you said, "Boobs!" I started laughing, got weird looks from my kids, and I just yelled, "BOOBS!" They blushed and walked away. I feel it is my job to keep them on their toes and normalize body talk, so thank you!

@kathrynehiersche1817 3 года назад

Good parent!

@AnastasiaR 3 года назад

Hilarious! My kids have zero chill regarding those matters and will say things like “wow mama your boobies are extra jiggly today” and I’m like ummmmmm

@erikakraemer6963 3 года назад

Boobs 💓

@kathrynehiersche1817 3 года назад

@@AnastasiaR 😂 how old are they?

@AnastasiaR 3 года назад

@@kathrynehiersche1817 the one who made the jiggly comment is a 3yr old little girl (she’s wild) 😆 but my others are 6 (boy) and 7 (girl) ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

@roxiepoe9586 3 года назад

I love this. A serious examination by a serious scholar who is serious about not being overly serious and stuffy is a serious step forward for scholarship! Thank you, Abby.

@lindamiller4938 2 года назад

Seriously, well said! Thank you.

@minagica Год назад

You mean a non-stuffy, approachable scholar? Yep 🥰

@midnightwolf7131 8 месяцев назад

Underrated comment

@ArielGemini 3 года назад

You lightly touched on it, but I'd love a Corset vs Bodice explanation. I feel like most people today call all things a corset, which I don't -think- is accurate

@ninegreydaisies 3 года назад

I was really hoping for a family tree type flow chart when you said corsets and stays are cousins and then brought up bodies, jumps, and brassieres. I'm also really happy that when I became interested in modern corsets, I somehow missed or skipped all that annoying myth garbage and went straight to people who knew what they were actually talking about.

@antoniamcclintock3489 3 года назад

You’re KIDDING. I’ve literally been wondering about this question for a month now and been too afraid to ask. Thank you so much!

@libertysiefkas4385 3 года назад

Too afraid to ask! 🤣🤣 I love this so much. But also, fuck gate keeping! Ask your questions!!

@TheAgeofFabulous 3 года назад

I do not want steal a roll off of Abby’s dinner plate if she’s wearing a busk...lose a hand.

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

This is amplified by my Taurus sun... 😂

@skaditFashion 3 года назад

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@jayneterry8701 2 года назад

At 22:20 when Abby used the fighting clip it made me think of The four Musketeers movie from 1974 with Faye Dunaway as Milady. She pulls out a dagger from her busk area!

@elle-says 3 года назад

With all the jokes, puns, and memes in this video, I’m really surprised Abby said “mainstays” twice without any emphasis. I wasn’t sure if it was on purpose or a missed opportunity lol

@danielsykes7558 3 года назад

Yup, and 1900s radical SHIFTS in women's undergarments.

@samanthagoile 3 года назад

This video taught me that while I've never worn a corset, I have the optimum body type for altering my shape with one. I have a long torso, and I am comprised of plenty of squish.

@scrabblerabble2827 3 года назад

Me wanting to learn more about historical dress: *click* My chest dysphoria: I’m about to end this man’s whole career

@ig-nat-ius1891 3 года назад

Tbh I've mainly been researching corsets & stays so I can eventually make an equivalent for binding

@insidiouschaos812 3 года назад

@@ig-nat-ius1891 oh same, im this close to making flat front stays to hide them away. there were unboned reducers in the 20s to make the waiflike, more androgynous shape but i dont know much abt them

@grac4808 3 года назад

I (as an enby) personally like the “unnatural” (for modern standards) look that corsets give, and it’s also a lot easier to breath in them than in binders 😓.

@amberdaze7892 3 года назад

@@insidiouschaos812 ngl that was why i came to this video,,, trying to understand how to make a stay-binder

@ig-nat-ius1891 3 года назад

@@insidiouschaos812 Oh! I know about those! There are some patterns online by Reconstructing History but I've heard their patterns aren't very good. I'm also plus size and sewing patterns generally stop at a large, if that. I'll get there eventually. I have also seen "men's corsets" on Pinterest but idk how replicatable those are or if they actually bind the chest all that much.

@azarialr6639 11 месяцев назад

I know I’m two years to late, but as a fantasy writer who wants to get the details right, your channel is amazing! My main character wears smooth stays is something I needed to know 😊

@AnastasiaR 3 года назад

We’ve got bodice and bodies and then “corset” is derived from Latin “corps” and then French “cors” meaning “body” 😂😭 Bodisss Bodeez Bods Boddiessssssssssss

@AnastasiaR 3 года назад

And furthermore, Bones Boobz Bon bon Bob Bod Boddy Boobyyy Thank you

@alexia3552 3 года назад

@@AnastasiaR why do these comments speak to me on a spiritual level 😂

@NouriaDiallo 3 года назад

I don't know how it was in England, but in Paris, while the stay makers kept a monopoly on stays and half-boned stays, "blanc corsets" (unboned) where the domain of the mantua maker (couturière) and had a different cut. I wonder if it factors in the birth of early 19th century corded corsets. I mean, they wore their products, unlike most stay makers, and could have been more adaptable to fashion, or easier to talk to for their clients... I'll make that my headcanon till proven wrong.

@jayc9345 3 года назад

Got so used to the "hehe" things every time a stay or body or waste/waist punny thing got said that I was genuinely surprised that a "shift" one got through unacknowledged lol

@a.k.v.3042 3 года назад

omg, as someone who has recently ("recently"as in - in the year 2020 which has been about five thousand years long) done google searches on the difference among corset, stays, pair of bodies, and jumps I thank you for helping clear the confusion. Sort of clear the confusion. This is terrific, thank you!

@MossyMozart 3 года назад

@A. K. V. - I freely admit to still being confused by the terms, timeline, and designs. More pictured example would have helped me. Now, she has tossed "mantua" into the mix. Are these garments all manutuas or is a mantua something else entirely? Aaaarghh! I'll have to follow the link Ms Cox provided.

@ragnkja 3 года назад

@@MossyMozart A mantua is a type of gown.

@celenameg 3 года назад

I just turned in a final project where I designed a “dream museum exhibit” around the politics and semiotics of 18th century fashion. It was probably the most fun I had with a project...ever. Grad school is awesome sometimes 😅

@fariahcriss5696 3 года назад

"Une jupe" would be translated simply as "skirt" not specifically as a petticoat. Taking grammar in to account, you get something closer to "body for a skirt" instead of "bodied/body of petticoat". Semantics, I know, but still a good distinction to make Edit: Please read replies for full, fact checked information as I was slightly inaccurate here initially. Thank you to Pernelle Blaise for prompting me to dig further!

@cassierichardson1966 3 года назад

Except that “skirt” most likely wasn’t a word back then 🤷🏻‍♀️

@fariahcriss5696 3 года назад

@@cassierichardson1966 True, most likely skirt was not a widely used term in English, probably favouring terms such as petticoat or overskirt or other words of which I'm not aware, *but* that doesn't change the meaning of the French word. "Jupe" still means skirt even if English speakers wouldn't have translated it as such way back when. "Skirt" not being in the English vocabulary of the time doesn't negate the definition of a word in a completely different language Editing after my second reply: Even though I was incorrect on jupe always having meant skirt, it still holds true that one language not having a certain word absolutely does not change the meaning of a word in a different language. Languages may borrow from each other, but for all intents and purposes they're still separate entities with separate vocabularies.

@pernelleblaise3915 3 года назад

The meaning seems to have changed over time, because if you look closely at 16:40 petticoat is translated as jupe and skirt as bord. So her interpretation of corps de jupe as body of petticoat is not wrong.

@fariahcriss5696 3 года назад

@@pernelleblaise3915 Alright, I'll bite and do the deep dive. I'm curious now lol SO... Let's start with the origin of the word before the meaning. The word "jupe" came from the arabic word "juppah" (some sources spell it "djuppa" or "juppa" or even substitute the double p with bb. Consistent-ish pronunciation, but translation from other alphabets is hard and everyone has an opinion lol) and it meant "a loose men's undergarment". Sounds like it would naturally evolve to petticoat, right? Except instead the earliest references we have of the word date to around the 12th century and meant a tunic men wore under armour, or simply a man's tunic. The later 1694 Dictionnaire de l'Académie française defined jupe as "a padded men's doublet fitted on the bust" (translation by 3rd party source, not myself, so no conflict of interest). This is closer to the later use as some form of bodice. But apparently this word has had kind of a circular evolution?? We see references in literature to jupe meaning a woman's skirt in between the 12th century and the publication of that dictionary in 1694. There is even a separate definition for jupe in an earlier 17th century text describing it as "a feminine garment which hugs the waist and extends to the base of the legs" (again, translated, and not by myself). It is non-specific on whether it is an under or outer garment. Then around the 1810s we start to see the definition change again and used more in the context like the video mentions, as a type of bodice piece in the phrase "corps de jupe". The commonly understood meaning in modern times is now as... a skirt. In conclusion, while the word "jupe" did not in fact always refer to a skirt, that much is correct, it was not used to specifically mean a petticoat from what I can dig up.

@davyd28 3 года назад

@@pernelleblaise3915 If I may remind - petticoat was indeed the outer skirt worn with the open gown (this does not exclude it being also a word for any and all underpetticoats. "Skirt" in that dictionary at 16:40 seems to have been a word for the part of a jacket, what we'd a "peplum" today.

@meepMepp 3 года назад

This is so fascinating, i always thought the difference would be in the corset's more drastic shapeing or something, really wouldn't have expected the distinction to be in the bone density

@foreverfalling86 3 года назад

I was honestly just wondering what the difference between corsets and stays was last night! Perfect timing and informative as always. Random question, but an IMPORTANT one: what breeds are your dogs??? They're so cute!

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

Suba is a Mini American Shepherd (Mini Aussie) and Gryff is a Labrador mix! ❤

@WantedVisual 3 года назад

I got my first dirndl six or seven years ago, and I always wondered why everyone looks good in them. I've fallen down many, many a stays video rabbithole in that time. This is the first time I realize, a dirndl bodice is a boned garment (even the cheap ones), worn with petticoats and very specifically constructed bras. You can get them in all the colors, skirt lengths, bodice fronts, neckline cuts and frou-frou levels. There's a few elements that have to be there, but the main characteristic is the shape. I'm now twice as tempted to get a sew-your-own-dirndl book (or... three) as I was this morning.

@nicoleroth3127 3 года назад

Seriously, one oft my best life-choices was to get married in a Dirndl. It was both comfortable and flattering and I am able to wear it again without getting (too many) weird looks. On top of that, I could easily alter it when I gained weight during and right after pregnancy and eventually back to its former size. And regardless of my size, it still looked fantastic and flattering. Funny it ever fell out of fashion for every day wear, but even in Bavaria and Austria it's not something you would wear outside of work (waitresses often do) or festivities (like the Oktoberfest). - I am German, in case somebody is wondering, but from the north where dirndls are even less commonly worn these days than in the south.

@killitwithfire5377 3 года назад

@@nicoleroth3127 It all depends on where you live I think. On one hand, on the countryside, there's a lot of festivities and additional occasions where dirndls are more than appropriate to wear, so they do at the very least least work as a party/formal/folk dress (also depending on the style). Some examples are Zeltfeste (rural parties), that are hosted up to every two weeks, any slightly formal occasion from a nice family dinner to a wedding (both as a bride (or groom) and as an attendee) and any traditional activity, like participating in a traditional band or choir, or being part of any club that deals with Austrian/German traditions (like a Trachtenverein). On the other hand, the more rural you get, the more normal it is for people to wear dirndls as everyday dresses. I live in Austria (in city though, but I have friends from the countryside) and it's not at all uncommon to see, especially more mature, women on the countryside wearing dirndls as everyday clothes. Also, being from Germany, I assume you already know at least some of this. I still wanted to go into details for all the international people in this comment section.

@nicoleroth3127 3 года назад

@@killitwithfire5377 Very well explained! In the end that is exactly what I meant, though you explained it much better. - That for (most) younger people a dirndl is not considered everyday wear anymore but is still worn on special occasions or at work and regularly so. But sadly it's not quite the same than to think of it as an everyday garment like one would with a pair of jeans. I think in this instance, the older ladies definitely got it right by still doing so and wearing something both practical and flattering. - Oh, and pretty timeless. ;) And before someone is wondering why I got married in a dirndl when I'm from the more northern parts of Germany (known in Bavaria as 'Preussen' and with that is considered a foreign country ;P), where, as said, dirndls are not at all common even on special occasions: 1. My hubby's family is originally from Bavaria though he grew up in South Africa (as many emigrants do, they kept their traditions) 2. We lived in Bavaria at the time. 3. I'm a clumsy person at the best of times and a classic wedding gown especially one worn over a hooped petticoat would have been a recipe for disaster.

@WantedVisual 3 года назад

@@nicoleroth3127 Hey, I got married in a dirndl as a young person, and it wasn't long ago either. It was comfortable. Affordable. Sustainable (at least until I got sick and gained 20 kilos, but hey). Also, it had color options that didn't make me look dead. And we lived in Bavaria at the time, so most people were okay with it. I also haven't /quite/ let go of the fantasy of getting/making a wardrobe full of different dirndl and just making them everyday wear. For my... office job. In NRW.

@ifihadfriends437 3 года назад

“Brassière” is pronounced bra-zee-air rather than bra-zee -ray, in English “brassiere” can also be pronounced bra-zeer. It’s a French word that must have entered around that time, eventually getting shortened to “bra” which we use today - though brassiere is still the full form of the word.

@Kato_Rin 3 года назад

Since there are two of the letter s, it'd be a more sharp sound, like bra-see-air. This distinction is definitely important for two other French words: poisson and poison!

@feeling-dizzie 3 года назад

THANK you lol I had to pause on the dictionary page to make sure it wasn't actually written as brasseré or something

@charlottebrace2174 3 года назад

@@Kato_Rin Very true! It is still use in France and is just a cloth bra, mostly used by pre-teens to cover before you can fit in an A cup. In my childhood anyway :) Every region has its own fun in France lol

@shyla1515 Год назад

It is more a soft C sound versus a hard Z like Bra-cee-air. Also Braz-iere is an Anglo take on the French word brassière. Although I don't have any historical data on this, I'm franco fluent.

@liadelmater6643 3 года назад

I have been doing some digging into Spanish gown making, and found that a pair of bodies were called "corpinos" from the spanish word for body, cuerpo. If you Google corpino, however, you will find bras! The name has stuck.

@brennerc180 3 года назад

Oooh, do you have any good references? I picked up Historia de la moda en España: el vestido femenino entre 1750 y 1850 but now I want to dig more into pre-Bourbon fashion!

@liadelmater6643 3 года назад

@@brennerc180 i only just started by digging through pinterest and google. I started by looking at paintings of Infantas from the colonial era because i was fascinated with the shape of the underpinnings in comparison to their Elizabethan counterparts. I wish i had more to share with you, but if I come across more info I will let you know.

@AnimalVegetableMineral 3 года назад

This is the video I needed!!! Ever since discovering the historical fashion ...realm?... I've yearned for an exhaustive scholarly breakdown of support garments. Abby, you're always freaking awesome. edit: have you ever considered creating a short course?

@slytheringingerwitch 3 года назад

So could you say that a stay makes you stay where you should be and a corset sets your core?

@annamermaid6359 3 года назад

*pair of stays

@alexia3552 3 года назад

🤯

@zoeylowe3419 3 года назад

Lowkey kinda want an overbust corset for my standing desk. I feel like it would reduce the amount of things I wear to maintain proper posture and not have back pain.

@quelarte 3 года назад

Since I did a Vitorian corset course I'm OBSESSED with "boob fashion" history! It's absolutely magical how beaty padrons change from time to time and cultures! Loved this vídeo, love your work, love your personality! Thank you

@wynnew.h5245 3 года назад

In Canada we were too busy fighting rabid moose and doing unspeakable things in the north to bother ourselves about European fashions.

@simplykathrynrebeca 3 года назад

*unspeakable things?*

@kathrynvincent1563 3 года назад

@@simplykathrynrebeca Probably colonization

@janesmith1398 3 года назад

Check out the fashion in Keystone Stereoview pictures from Canada that were taken for Stereoscope viewers. They are from late 19th century / early 20th century. Some pictures are out there from Barkerville, BC as well.

@simplykathrynrebeca 3 года назад

@@kathrynvincent1563 yo we have the same name, and you're probably right

@wynnew.h5245 3 года назад

@@kathrynvincent1563 exactly so!

@butadara 3 года назад

The editing, the information, the bashing on current fashion! **Chef kiss** also the himym snippets!

@caitlinboycher8596 3 года назад

The dichotomy of your educational lecture with “titties up to the eyeballs” anecdotes is why you’re hilarious to me. It’s exactly how I prefer to learn lol

@EIixir 3 года назад

That section about Busks is very interesting as I didn't know you could remove the centre piece so easily. I'm 100% going to use that for my rpg character. Thanks Abby!

@nightowl125 3 года назад

This is perfect timing! I want to make a corset or an pair of stays (because they’re beautiful and bras exacerbate my heartburn issues) and I’ve been trying to figure out what the difference is!

@quycksylver4822 3 года назад

Very informative--I've always been confused about the difference between the two. On another note: the floating dumpster fire never fails to amuse me, lol. On yet another note...DOGGIES!!

@katanah3195 3 года назад

The floating dumpster fire is the best. Makes me feel bad for the early feminists who had their movement co-opted to destroy something the patriarchy wanted gone, but I do quite like laughing at the men who started these ridiculous myths and all the "modern" and "progressive" women who mindlessly bought these myths and still believe them.

@MaridithSmith 3 года назад

As a 16th century nerd, I'm going to thank you for doing the early digging. Its always wonderful to see you doing excellent research.

@catherinerw1 3 года назад

Your dogs definitely spark joy! Cx

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

I'm glad they do for someone, they were driving me BONKERS when filming this 😂

@herestia_photography 3 года назад

OMG, yes!! I need more dog footage!! :D

@lisahurst4208 3 года назад

I came to hear about boning and boobies but the cover of "Les Poisson" was a MAJOR bonus! Keep puppy outtakes coming!

@Sewstine 3 года назад

THIS IS AMAZING!!! and laughing my butt off.

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

😂😂

@ah5721 3 года назад

We so needed this because no one who knows the difference while marketing 🙈. Love the fact that we're talking about how to get the fashionable shape historically and how its totally cool to pad stuff out if you don't have the "shape " desired .

@terryknouff6838 2 года назад

you are a gem, Abby. I so "busted" up when the "its a bad week to be a cheesburger" promo came on !!!! Genius !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@1stTrickiwoo Год назад

Thank you for this video! I discovered your channel just over a year ago, and I was inspired to try a corset. I now have a growing collection of corsets in my closet, and yes, most days I'm wearing one of my corsets while I work. I work from home at a desk all day, and I found stress and my G cups were pulling my shoulders down toward the keyboard. I've been work-at-home since 2007 and my posture has suffered (a lot). Hubby made a passing comment about me always being "slumped" over the computer. When I do finally stand up to take a break, my back feels like I've been hauling a heavy load all day! You gave me the courage to try a corset, and the change was dramatic! My underbust corsets are not only colorful, playful, and decorative, but they provide an exoskeleton to ease my aching back! The steel boning corrected my posture and gave my chest a weightless feel. The relief was instantaneous! I now wear a corset most work days when I feel stressed or at the first hint of pain. My corsets helped me survive cooking the big family holiday meals. Corsets are such a blessing! Thank you so much for opening my eyes!

@TaraSillert 3 года назад

Haven't even watched it, but I bet she does the whole "actress says that Corsets are killing me, I thought I would die, they are painful." And Abby handled it better than every other costuber! Great job Abby! As a watcher I am tired of being lectured on that subject :-)

@MomsMakingHistory 3 года назад

"Searching for bodies and stays in primary sources gets a lot of stuff about dead bodies and ships staying on course" 😆😆😆 The double-edged sword of keyword searching digitized connections! I feel SEEN!

@brbrbrbreannad3610 3 года назад

Abby in November 2020: The amount of engineering it takes to create a corset is simply incredible... which is why I don’t make them. Abby in January 2021: ...oops

@mackenziesmith5861 3 года назад

I would love to see a video comparing the comfort level of each style (stays, corded corsets, over/underbust, etc) and what pros and cons are of each beyond just the shape given. This subject is so fascinating, thanks for sharing!!

@violeta7298 3 года назад

0:05 me, a lesbian: * sweating *

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@magiv4205 3 года назад

I can relate lmao

@LivingEncyclopedia 3 года назад

My exact reaction

@rx500android 3 года назад

Mood

@Marialla. 3 года назад

I'm not even a lesbian, but still... definite area of interest!

@jfcarrier9352 3 года назад

French word police here ! Brassiere is pronounced "Bra-si-air'' with an 's' not a 'z'. Loved your video btw !!

@melissajenkins9960 7 месяцев назад

RU-vid automatically started playing this video after I finished a corset video from another channel and I am loving this lol. The way you do cut edits and the humor is just great. I love it. Thank you.

@monicafiore20 3 года назад

I just found my new favorite channel!!!!You're doing an awesome job!!!🥰

@agabrielhegartygaby9203 Год назад

Love the point about size v shape! I watched my husband go through the sense of failure and rejection many women feel because the sizes available fits people who work as models (? Anorexia.......). We discussed this. He had an "aha" moment. The size obsession actively damages the mental health and physical health of young women who don't measure "down" size wise. It's literally sad this has been characterized as the deliberate infliction of depressive anxiety and eating disorders - for profit. Thanks G

@Marialla. 3 года назад

Abby, can we please start designing modern outfits to work over some sort of stays/corset/bodies? Not to go back to voluminous gowns that don't fit in cars but just to take advantage of all this back/boob/posture support? Tell me honestly, what design problems are holding us back?

@thewordshifter 3 года назад

Check out Morgan Donner's video titled something like I Wore A Corset For A Week. She goes into the (very minimal) pitfalls of wearing boned garments under modern clothes.

@ah5721 3 года назад

Smoothing the lines at the underboob and at the tops of the boobs is difficult with modern clothing

@Marialla. 3 года назад

@@ah5721 I know they used to use corset covers to smooth those lines. I'm wondering why we can't do similar. It may not work just to layer standard modern clothing with a corset, but surely we can design a new take on the old foundations, and perhaps create a new genre.

@psiholog.matei.gabriela 3 года назад

The voluminous doesn't fit in a car part of the outfit is usually the skirt. And that doesn't have that much to do with the corset. I think it would be ok to keep the top part mostly historical and just have a smaller skirt, with no crinoline, bustle cage, extreme padding. The top could have the same layers and tipes of garments (with maybe different embelishments and more casual looking fabrics).

@Marialla. 3 года назад

@@psiholog.matei.gabriela Yes! So what we're looking for is something that does take advantage of modern fabrics/patterns/embellishments etc. and takes modern ideas of comfort and modesty and style into consideration, and looks at stays/corset as just a different foundation to build from. Not trying to recreate the old looks. But maybe some techniques could be useful, like piped seams maybe. Maybe add zippers or velcro if they would help. Not be afraid to mix it up!

@deespaeth8180 3 года назад

Thank you for all of your hard work and wonderful sense of humor, Abbey. You are appreciated 😊 ❤

@charlations 3 года назад

Your puppers showing up at the beginning just made my day, I love them so much they deserve the world and I hope you have an amazing day with them

@cincocats320 3 года назад

I'm so glad the Lengburg find got a mention (although a bit disappointed you didn't fit in medieval references to "breast bag"). It is one of my favorite historical finds. I especially love the fact that the bit between the cups was a piece of needle lace. It brings the piece alive, thinking about the woman wanting pretty and functional. On a side note...who's your Doctor? I'm a Capaldi gal myself.

@fiddlestitch89 3 года назад

Yes! Perfect timing as I'm going to start my very first pair of Regency stays. Thanks for making this informative and fun!

@bishoukun 3 года назад

You won my attention in the first thirty seconds, and the combination of detailed informaiton and wonderful humor won a like and sub. Awesome job!

@SocialBurrito3 3 года назад

Not often I can I say that I enjoyed every moment of a video, but this one I did. I absolutely love under garments and support garments and how they have changed throughout history, plus your presentation was fun. :) From one nerd to another, well done!

@New_Wave_Nancy 3 года назад

I loved this exceedingly nerdy and nuanced etymology jaunt! Thank you for putting so much work into it.

@ateliernostalgia4088 3 года назад

This was lovely! It's seriously great to actually see a nuanced, but clear story without giant leaps to keep it simple. And all the little outtakes were perfect.

@lenoraealy3404 3 года назад

I love your educational material. Also your sense of humor rocks .

@GymGirl88 3 года назад

Love me a nuanced rabbit hole!! Been kinda confused by this tbh. So glad you made this video

@lizzyrbits1283 3 года назад

Abby: great lippie and passionate about boobs okay?! Griffie: just happy to be here!!!!! Subie: doin crimes! In charge here! Floof ears and pearly teefs! The viewers: thrilled!!!

@alexia3552 3 года назад

I love this comment

@AlvaHognestad 3 года назад

Aaah, all the info!! Love this. So many years of studying history in uni and me just going "but what did they WEAR?!" Should've just found you sooner

@samanthab3292 3 года назад

I love how detailed and well researched your informative videos are 🤗 also your humor 😎✌🏻

@melaniegonzalezart8506 3 года назад

I find your makeup look here with the color of your jumper/sweater such a pretty combination!

@daisymae3717 3 года назад

Right when you were talking about how books change throughout the cycle I got an add for shark week lol. Great video, I never knew the difference between stays and corsets.

@rx500android 3 года назад

I'm pretty sure it was a part of the video

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@Odontecete 3 года назад

Fascinating! I think you did a good job, I have a better understanding of the nuance between the terms. And thank you for the distinction between shape and size. Perhaps a future video dissecting when size took over from shape as a mainstay in women's fashion?

@SecretSquirrelFun 3 года назад

odontocete: New Latin, from odont - + the Latin word cete, which is the plural of cetus meaning whale 🐋

@lydiadame1727 3 года назад

i’ve been wondering so often about this!! i’m really interested in historical dress but i never know where/how to start with research, so this was so wonderful

@gorgeousnightmare2939 3 года назад

What I love about these videos is that although I already know this information, your use of documentation and first person accounts means I'm still learning new things in a exciting way.

@mch12311969 3 года назад

Informative and giggles, keep being you Abby! Also, love the lip color.

@AbbyCox 3 года назад

I'll try! (& thanks it's colourpop - Cinderella)

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@Paergence 3 года назад

Perfectly timed. XD I decided to wear a corset yesterday to do errands.

@mellflowers 3 года назад

This video was delightful to watch! Thanks abby!!!!

@jazzie7934 3 года назад

Thank you for making this video! Undergarments is what brought me into historical costuming and this video was so informative! I would love to see more on this topic 🥰

@LiciaM 3 года назад

I want to make myself stays, but I also know my track record with finishing sewing projects 😔

@ginadelfina5887 3 года назад

I really like this video! I've been studying this topic on my own for a while, and I really like how you pull all the information together in one video, supported by contemporary evidence. A question - when you say "stitched stays," does that mean stays where the lacing is visible? Or does it just mean that you can see the stitched boning channels? Also, one comment about whether the words stays & bodies were interchangeable - I remember reading at the beginning of the Valerie Steele corset book, a contemporary quote (from the early 1600s, I think) where a man is describing the current women's fashion. He said that a woman would describe her boned upper garment as "a pair of bodies" or "my stay." Thanks to your video, the transition between stays and corsets now makes so much more sense to me. Before, I knew about the "little body" = "corset" = equals unboned / minimally boned support garment. But, I never realized that stays & corsets coexisted as two distinct garments for such a long period of time.

@GiraffeLoverJen 3 года назад

Omg!! This is my favorite kind of rabbit hole! I have also been fascinated with historical corsetry. That's what made me interested in historical clothing too. So yea, I'm super excited about this video! Thanks Abby!

@megscady 3 года назад

Bless you, woman! This was a great explanation of the terminology and evolution of these garments. It was also a very helpful tip to look at these garments as providing shape instead of adjusting size. Game changer! Thanks!

@reginafinan2819 3 года назад

I danced in my chair when you started signing Les Poissons!!! I love that song & no one remembers it.

@dominiqueestrada8103 3 года назад

Humming this all day now

@SusanYeske701 3 года назад

I do. My sister watched The Little Mermaid every day for a year. I know most of every song.

@journeyoflovelight 3 года назад

Can you please do a Historical look at the clothes on "Lark Rise to Candleford" on Hulu.. I watch just for the costumes!! Especially the Post Office Postmistress Dorcus.. AMAZING dresses.

@fishy527 3 года назад

This isnt on any UK streaming even though it was BBC but I loved her outfits! I was obsessed when it first came out.

@traciebecker6669 3 года назад

I'd like to see a video on Outlanders clothing.

@renjon7798 3 года назад

You finally referenced The Doctor. You are now Goddess of all dress history in my book.

@alexbennett5175 3 года назад

This was like a college history lecture that I ACTUALLY paid attention to all the way to the end. Well done! You're a fabulous and entertaining teacher!

@VintageLydia 3 года назад

I wonder how practical/easy it would be to hide a dagger in a busk...?

@loraleitourtillottwiehr2473 3 года назад

It depends on the style of busk and size of the dagger. In most cases I would say that it would be pretty difficult to do without damaging the corset/stays or the person wearing them. But maybe with a hefty enough busk and a small enough dagger???

@VintageLydia 3 года назад

Yessss I have a friend who makes custom knife handles and sheaths so if I ever make one and find or have made a slim enough blade I know who to talk to...

@SusanYeske701 3 года назад

Stiletto. Attach the sheath to the interior of the stays.

@ah5721 3 года назад

It would need to be a stiletto dagger.

@bookishlaurahanna 3 года назад

Stay history is so underrated. I love it. Interesting that the stay makers were men not women. So much to ponder on when looking at paintings of stay makers.

@wenkachan6180 3 года назад

Yeah, but putting all of that boning, in tiny little boning chanel is pretty exhausting, and requires sometimes a lot of strength. I'm currently working on stays and I'm exactly at that moment and it's so hard😂😂 I wish someone could do it at my place. I thought I had strength in my hands but these back panels are giving me troubles😂😂