Im very impressed by this company, when they started to pop up at the beginning of the year it looked like just some other chinese knockoff of fanatec without proper software or eco system but it looks more and more like they are here to stay. I'm really happy there is some competition in this market now and quite impressed by this wheelbase, bravo moza
@@Calyx I am in same situation, the r5 bundle along with clutch and brake mod costs double the T248. What do you recommend? I think the pedals for both are equally good, but the only difference will be in the ffb and details of it. What do you recommend?
@@danieldey honestly if you have the money and the r5 is available I'd go for that, but the T248 is a great bit of kit, wheel is a little on the small side but all these consumer grade wheels are on the small side. R5 bundle was a sold out pre-order when I wanted to get one, but it's definately higher quality and direct drive is by far a nice upgrade. I can't comment on how good the r5 itself is since I don't have one, but expect better ffb from the DD system. T248 on sale is a great deal however.
Even if I'm not a fan of this brand it's great to see them pushing others like Fanatec to improve, just like Fanatec did with their CSL DD wheelbase. The next few year are going to be great if they keep up the current development "war".
How come you aren't a fan? I'm fairly new to Sim racing, and looking into what gear to buy (Moza or Fanatec) but Moza seem really appealing to me personally!
Couldn't agree more. I have a Simucube, but seeing all of these products that Moza is producing means more people can easily get into sim racing. That is great for everyone.
Warning! Within 4 months of light use my FANATEC McLaren wheel cracked at the shifter pivot point and where it mounted to the QR. I was accused of over tightening although I used a torque wrench set at 3nm. FANATEC then replaced the wheel chassis admitting in writing it was a weakness in the wheel. Very soon after my CSL load cell pedal failed. I sent a video before sending the pedal set back as requested. I was required to make a follow up email after not hearing back. FANATEC said they can not fault the pedals asking if I want then sent back which I found a strange thing to ask? Eventually they were returned however within minutes I experienced the same issue which was consistent with magnetic interference from the CSL DD wheel base before the load cell pedal would completely shut down. I was beyond my limits at this point and driven to warn as many potential customers as I could while demanding a replacement. Following the usual delayed response, FANATEC then offered a replacement only if a show proof that they faulty load cell was again on its way back to them. FANATEC’s poor response time drove me to desperation. Keep in mind I have owned this new product for around 6 months when 2 major failures occurred. An electric technician overheard my experience and offered assistance. I was able to demonstrate the issue and within minutes the technician diagnosed a defective voltage regulator attached to the load cell circuit board. The voltage regulator is designed to reduce 5 volts coming from the wheel base or USB down to the required 3.3volts. There was no signal out of the regulator which he replaced. No thanks to FANATEC I am now enjoying my sim racing again while I hold my breath for the next FANATEC failure. Please take my advise and look at the FANATEC’s own forum in regards to all the issues they have and their terrible customer service.
The biggest selling point for the casual racer is the size of the thing and the clamp - it's so much better and practical than the CSL DD. Feeling a bit frustrated at buying the latter now, I would have definitely gone for a Moza and waited for some brake pedal mods. Shame they didn't quite get first to market at this price point for DDs.
The biggest handicap for Moza is the lack of console support. When I started looking at mid range sim racing equipment Fanatec was the only real option and it still is. Knowing I could get it for my Xbox and then upgrade it as I moved to PC was what sealed the deal. If this kit had official console support I would be recommending it to loads of people.
@@WarrenSheehan yes, really this is uncomfortable bad to always say. Enjoy it on a console or a pc. F it, if anyone can get into it trough a console great. Have fun. I think the biggest handicap is not driving a real race car.
I bought this bundle with the brake mod and clutch pedal. An upgrade from my Logitech G29, and man what a difference! I wanted to play ACC but with the Logitech I couldn't stay on the track for the life of me. Not feeling what the car is doing at all. Now in comes the Moza R5 and I'm doing laps, then started the career mode and I won two races against the AI! No, it's not super powerful force feedback but for a hobby racer it's way more than enough. The quality is outstanding. What I did since I don't have the room for a full cockpit is bought a wheel stand with a chair holder. Again this makes a big difference to be able to keep your seating position and pedals in a set position so it doesn't move away or move at all. Highly recommend this bundle.
If they have to have the security chip what they could do is have a breakout box that has the chip inside and a PCB that could recognize which of their wheelbases is plugged into it and the breakout box plugs into the playstation or XBOX. That would make it cheaper and allow people to use any of Mozza's wheelbases on console rather then locking them into a certain base
I don’t think Sony or Microsoft allows for the security chip to be external to the device itself. There are very specific rules, hence why Fanatec’s integration is clumsy with PS compatibility coming from the base and Xbox from the wheel.
@@boostedmedia I've been thinking they could end up releasing "X" and "PS" editions of their wheels with the chip in them. They've definately been teasing something with consoles of recent
use 1 or 2 rc car springs and you have a load cell feeling brake. It works great as I use 2 on my csl brake pedal (none load cell) type and its fully adjustable for more or less pressure and provide fast snap back . I also have 1 on my throttle pedal and adjusted to snap back at the same speed were as I lift my foot off the throttle an it helps the car to slow down at the last possible moment entering the curve before I brake which then allows me to gain the speed eariler to quickly out pace other drivers coming out of the curb.
Just got this a month ago and its definitely worth it. I couldn't get the brake upgrade kit because I ordered through a seller in Canada but I will definitely need it in future.
When Moza released their first Wheelbase I felt like kinda meh and that it's too expensive. But they seem to have understood that issue and try to make a good round palette of products. It's definitely for the better to have some proper competition on the market.
Moza becomes more and More relevant! I really like it! But to be fair, The CSL DD costs 349€, a CSL BMW Wheel 139€ and the CSL Pedals 79€. There is a cheaper alternativley DD Experience and the difference between 5 and 5.5 NM are no matter. When Moza starts to support consoles, then I would be interested
Totally agree! I mean the prior Quick-Release is definitely a pro for this set. But the Fanatec "bundle" is just a bit cheaper, console ready and alrdy a well supported DD for many Sims 599€ without a guaranteed Console support and no option to get above the 5nm, without replacing it completely? Make it 549€ or maybe even 499€ and they will blow Fanatec out of the water with this Kit! The Brake definitely needs a improvement!
Well, for me it says 639 euro plus 125(!) for shipping and if you add VAT and import fees (assuming they send it directly from China, not a warehouse based in the EU) it doesn't look like a good deal at all.
It maybe $100 cheaper for me after shipping for the bundle in USA compared to the 3 equivalent Fanatec parts (and McL wheel), and the CSL DD can have PSU added for $20 aftermarket or so to get 8nm instead of 5nm, so the savings on the Moza is not worth it. But good to see competition for sure!
I just clicked for pure interest, now i want one of these myself. Great Video. Thx. From what i've seen they released an upgrade to the pedals for 30 bucks or something.
8:45 I think it's worth mentioning that "Playstation security chip" is technically just an encryption method to verify that Sony gets a cut from from wheel purchase. It has nothing to do with actual security, except that it cannot be avoided thanks to use of real encryption/digital signature for verifying the certification details. If you don't have official Sony santioned chip, you should assume that Sony will kill the support unless the manufacturer pays hefty enough ransom to Sony behind the scenes.
I really hope Moza will create a brake *mod* (like the SR-P Accessory Kit) for the SR-P Lite brake pedal too..or maybe better offer a load cell brake pedal kit for this bundle..Too bad the brake does not feel right!
I like how there is more DD bundles on the market at a lower end cost. I’m on console PS5 but dabbled on PC from time to time. If more could come to console that could be a game changer to be honest. More on the market is great for customers. Maybe not so for competitors. I want the CSL DD Pro but the issues I’ve seen on reddit scare me a bit to be honest. I know more are having a great time but if I’m one of those unfortunate people it will be so soul crushing. I just hope that Fanatec come out with a V2 with more durable parts and pieces. I hope Moza makes Fanatec cut no corners and improve on their products even more.
The biggest thing is that most console racing games are not developed with very good wheel controls/FFB physics. Also, you're talking about a HUGE product development investment to become an officially licensed product from console X/Y/Z. Moza is just dipping its toes into the water; i'm sure there will eventually be an officially licensed console product in the next couple of years after they've established themselves in the sim racing communities.
I just got my Logitech Pro with the Pro Pedals because my CSL DD 8nm, F1 Podium, and CSL V2 have constantly had issues. Even Tiametmarduk (Ben Daly) and Alex Gillon have the same issues that I do, so it's universal. They just randomly disconnect altogether, then all of the settings disappear. I've been having terrible torque spikes and notchiness on F1 22 and ACC. It's just been a bad experience and Fanatec CS sucks in the US. So, after trying the Logitech Pro setup, I shaved .827ths off my lap after three times around Suzuka. For context, I'm too 1% in all TT leaderboards, but Suzuka is my weak point for some reason. I went from P80 to P27. I can run setups far more on the nose because you're always aware of where the limit is. The braking alone is ridiculous in the amount of time gained. You feel the weight transfer (over a hill, through a dip, left or right corners) and the total weight of the car itself. I can actually tell which tire is overheating just by feeling. It's not perfect, but the Trueforce with the 11nm is PLENTY. I'm 6'8" and 260lbs and I wouldn't go higher than 11nm. It just becomes unrealistic. Not to mention that Logitech will have ongoing support for peripherals, a GT/F1 wheel, and a multiple year warranty (with good Customer Service), I'm literally selling my entire Fanatec setup. I know it's not common for people to give positive reviews unless there are incentives, but I just genuinely want people to know how great it truly is. If it's too expensive, Moza is a good step, but I'd wait, save up money, and buy the Pro. You feel every bump, the track rubbering in, and you can adjust the pedals/FFB/Trueforce entirely. Hands down the best setup that I've ever used below $2,500, and that's saying something.
on the topic of the CSL DD QR-1 slipping out.. when i first got mine it slipped out after about my first 30 mins of playing. all i did was take it out, release the collar and inspect. put it back together (putting maybe 20lb pressure onto the front of the QR-1 shaft) while tightening the collar and i put the locking bolt in as well. since then i havent taken it off or had the issue over 1000+ hours of use. 👍
But only one fanatec is actually PS compatible and they tax the price of it due to that. Sim racing on a console is a joke anyway, about the only decent option is GT7 which can’t compare to anything on PC
The only thing I can see that I would change is the wheel shape. I don't get why all these wheel manufacturers create D-shaped wheels on budget setups. If you're buying this the setup this wheel will most likely be your only wheel for a long time and a round wheel would just be way more versatile. Logitech already screwed this up going from the G27 to the newer ones and here we go again.
@@Luftrille Wait that's the source for a new wheel coming out? Them saying R5 wheels won't be compatible with the R9? I was curious because I've not seen anything new on their Twitter but still, an open wheel still won't fix the R5 wheel not being round. My point stands.
@@Luftrille Oh sorry, might be that links aren't allowed or something I saw the post. Looks pretty cool, pretty much the same wheel but open wheel style. Still not round though ;)
I've been on the hunt for a fanatec DD PRO for over a year now and I don't know if its manufacturing issues, absurd amounts of pre-orders or just terrible customer service but they have been OUT OF STOCK FOR OVER A YEAR! I'm at the verge of giving up on fanatec and get the next best thing and to be honest this doesn't look bad at all!
Its not really that hard to check why its out of order.. First of they were the cheapest DD bases on market so nothing special that it was out. But it will be out till atleast first Q of year 2023. And even then you will have few min or a hour to buy it cuz it will be sold out again. The main problem is with the electric parts - you can find more info about it on fanatec/forum/blog btw.. i was waiting for DD PRO for a long time and till today cant get it. MOZA R5 would be sold out in days if not that you can buy it only in bundle.
Comes in at £650+ delivery. Fanatec is £850 + delivery. Decent saving. I own 3 DD bases. I personally think you're better off with splashing out on a simucube sport. I use the pro version.
Well the thing is brands like Moza or Simagic sell their products thru distributors around the world, so the delivery cost could be cheaper. And don't get me wrong, Simucube are great, but not everyone can afford to buy their products.
Definitely gonna 3d print a magnetic shifter mod for those shifters. I think the ones compatible with a t300 wheel is useable here since the curvatures and dimensions will be quite similar
Been using a Logitech G923 for a few years now. Now that direct drive wheels are lower in price I ordered a Moza R5 bundle for $482 including shipping. Which is very nice. I always put off upgrading telling myself that Logitech is fine. Then I tried a direct drive wheel at Micro-center. I spent the next 3 days straight looking up wheels and what I should get. 🤣
Thrustmaster needs to get their offering on the market NOW! This is literally the best value there has ever been for a direct drive wheel kit in sim racing. Moza just hit the market and already have multiple DD models? Come on Thrustmaster!!!
Logitech are going to clean up in this space, even at a higher price with their new DD Pro. If they choose to do a lower-end DD, the whole industry is going to be tossed on its head.
Very impressed. I wasn't familiar with this brand prior to watching the review. Do the Moza's have an "automatic" wheel rotation setting--where a maximum is set in the control panel, but then the game determines the per-car steering ratio? A lack of that feature would be a deal-breaker for me as the sims I use support that with Fanatec and it is an essential. I'm not willing to look-up and fiddle with steering wheel ratios every time I change vehicles and I do want the realistic settings, not a consistent/arbitrary setting.
I just ordered this along with the performance kit for the SR-P Lite pedals which adds a spring for the brake pedal. I hope that will negate the brake pedal issue you mentioned in this video. Obviously not going to be as good as a load cell, but it should still be much better than it was originally, without it.
Did you have a chance to try the performance kit yet? I am 90% of the way there on the R5 but am trying to find out more info to see if the brake improves much with that upgrade!
@@BrandonJamesComposer I have not tried it yet but I did receive the kit (waiting on the wheel to arrive Friday) and I’ve played around with the spring and I can tell you that it feels very sturdy and as far as I can tell it would make a HUGE difference in a good way. It feels like a very stiff spring that would have a lot of improvement over how it is without it and as someone who owned a fanatec wheel/pedals before this, it is much better than their system. Obviously a load cell is preferable but this is by far the best option outside getting a pedal with a load cell.
Last time I checked You can buy a CSL combo for 570 usd 349 CSL DD 139 CSL BMW rim 80 CSLPedals If you pay $60 more you also get Xbox compatibility I do not see the hype and praise that this bundle gets does anyone see the rusted screws in the front of the R5 base? More importantly you would have an upgrade path in the future on the pedals loadcell and the base with the 180 power supply and as I said earlier Xbox compatibility. Don’t take me wrong I love that Moza is there to push Fanatec but I would be very cautious investing in a company with an unproven record cheaply made power supplies an unregistered drivers.
You are right For $250 if you can’t wait till they restock you can pay $250 more and get the 8nm Dd pro that gives PlayStation compatibility but if that is not your thing I am sure they are going to get some stock soon especially before Black Friday.
Knowing Moza, I'm sure they will. If nothing else, you should be able to order the R5 wheelbase, wheel, and SR-P pedals individually at some point in the future (which is the way all other Moza Racing products are offered).
You said the wheel base is a "matter of perspective". It's not though. Either it affects the driving experience/quality or it doesn't. I only watched this review to see if the 5nm is good enough for sim racing and what I would be missing out on in comparison to 8nm or higher and how that would affect the driving experience, but you never really mentioned much about that. You said it affects the immersion, but is that all? Would I miss something by only using 5nm?
@@boostedmedia Thanks for the response. As a G92 owned who is thinking a lot about what to upgrade to, with no experience of a DD wheel and what it feels like,I would have loved a more focused discussion on this point around immersion and specific details about what I'd be missing out on.
I would be tempted if that was officially supported by consoles too. I play on PC and PS4 Pro. I'm currently using a T300 with T-LCM do the 5nm wouldn't bother me. I don't need three million nm to be able to use a wherl
I’m in the same situation with my pc and xbox sx I heard that if you can find the cheapest fanatec dd 5.5nm (almost always out of stock), the fanatec bmw wheel and the cheapest 3 pedals from fanatec it would be even cheaper than this moza + xbox support (not sure about ps4/5) because the shipping for this moza is about 100€
Great news Will ...I'm about to do some upgrades. My Tracker IR5 arrived. I like it ...no I love it ...lol. I had hardware issues I think using a USB extension ...but all is well & I highly recommend it for flying ...racing may not be the best place for it mind you.
Man ive owned this and a ton if uogrades to or it for about a month i git the bundle itself for $424 because of it being open box so the packaging itsrlf was slightly damaged but everything inside was brand new and untouched i added a CS wheel a hgp shifter and both are unbeatable at the process they sell for they punch way above there weight class big time a ebay handbrake with the mounting plate extender and both the clutch and brake mods it's amazing i already have plans to go R9 or R12 with SRP pedals waiting to find a good deal but need to replace my stand first to something more substantial planning on on getting a Next Level WS 2.0 because it's the best stand period and you can upgrade it to a full cockpit later on down the road i am so living my si setup atm and im glad i choose moza over fanatec after buying into e moza eco system you get more for your money with how cheap upgrades are like the CS wheel its fanatec competition is the Clu Sport RS wheel and it cost $100 more than the cs and the fanatec offering that's the same price is no where near as good as the cs and contains allot of plastic bits and the QR sucks a bag by of wieners in comparison to o the one on the cs and you get all metal construction as d forged carbon paddles that feel so so good if your on the fence and don't know if you should get a moza R5 bundle just get one through microcenter no matter what if you don't like it you have 30 days to return it they literally have the BEST return policy you can return it for any reason i bought a th8a thrustmaster shifter because i didn't know they had moza's hgp shifter in the back but not on there floor with the rest of the sim shifters i returned the th8a 2 weeks later when i found out they swapped me out to the hgp and i got to he mounting bracket for the base so i could angle it for the price of the th8a that feels like a child toy compared to the hgp shifter it imo is better than the fanatec shifter in terms of shift quality there only thing the fanatec has over the hgp is sequential mode that i honestly would never use anyway that's what the paddles are for definitely check moza out
what do you think of this as an upgrade for a T300? i know the tourqe is comparable, but smoother feedack and better build quality should make the difference, no? I also like Moza's rims more.
@@Ali.Yousif lol .... 10 nm is the right compromise . he says it himself, in the video. For a beginner who has never played, the r5 is perfect....T300 is too close
Question, it seems the pedals are ok on the ground and not mounted to a rig? I can only imagine mounted would be superior but need to know before I settle on the purchase. Thanks all.
Brake pedals are so important. Monza have a brake pedal performance kit for these pedals, would love to hear your thoughts on the brake pedal with the performance kit included.
I have a g920 and I gotta say, it's pretty damn quiet. I have the ffb turned all the way up and in dirt rally it's near silent the vast majority of the time. No idea where all this "g29/g920 is loud" thing comes from, it's really not all that loud in practice.
Yeah I have a g27 and I must admit it's not even loud at all and that thing came out in 2014 lol maybe if you have your gain too high ? But either way once you got the right settings it's not as loud as people make it out to be.
I've used g920 with bigger size wheel. I agree. The g920 when calibrated correctly the rattling can be dampened and its pretty darn quiet. I still have it and I miss using it since I upgraded to CSL DD.
Link the Fanatec shaft to the Moza shaft with a jaw-type coupler (Lovejoy style), then run the motors so they turn in opposite directions until one of them fails. That's the test I want to see. The pedals look like throw-away garbage.
The brake is a tad different than throttle and clutch pedals and imo the brake performance kit should be included with the bundle i had to order mine because microcenter doesn't keep them stocked unfortunately
what sucks is there is only 2 wheels that work with this. ( plus a hub adapter for plain wheels) well that and no PS support. edit: well it looks like they are updating their linup to support the new standard. great news.
This looks awesome but until Moza DD wheel bases are officially supported by Sony for use on the PlayStation 4 & 5, Moza is useless to me. Great video though.
i love the look of this bundle, but ive heard there's issues with old titles. i guess i just dont know if i can even go dd if i play mostly older racing titles like the old need for speeds. i want to have a better wheel than my ancient driving force but compatibility seems to be the thing that every company is lacking over logitech and thrustmaster. i just want to have a wheel that will work when i go to play snowrunner, euro truck, nfs, etc and it really seems like my only option is logitech.
I was gonna get a csl dd, but I just purchased this instead. Got the brake pedal upgrade kit coming as well, will update this to tell you if that makes a substantial difference
@@sogeking6680 Even with the upgrade kit, the brake pedal isn't the best. But honestly, for the price, I'm very happy with this stuff. If you can afford better pedals, I'd recommend it though
I'm thinking to upgrade this bundle from the t300rs, but I don't know if you've ever used the conic mod t300 pedals. Can you compare which one is better? And do you think it will be a solid upgrade?
And here we are and Logitech is launching a DD wheel now it’s probably what I’ll get when it launches I got a g29 it’s been a trooper can’t wait for the new pedals
This wheel seems like a bargain but the main thing that is putting me off is all of the messing around that you have to do in game files to get it to work. I looked on their website and it looked complicated for someone who is a pc novice like myself.
I loveee love love the global shipping option by Moza. Yes it costs at least an extra 155$ but it least you have that option unlike Fanatec. I will buy it immediately after it supports PS5.
Waiting for my r9 to arrive so excited!!! Made the plunge after Ur reviews. With Ur chats with moza have they announced making an h pattern shifter ? Or possibly anything in the pipeline ??? Would love to hear if you have any insider details !
I'm all new to this. Since this is all quick release could you buy the R5 bundle and down the like if you want R9 just swap the motor out? I see R9 wheel base sells separately
Surprised they didn't go with the rubber stopper at the back of the brake pedal like Thrustmaster do on their entry level pedals. Used to make a big difference when I had those pedals. You could hit that threshold and modulate quite well with that, given it's simplicity and low cost.
I think the csl dd5nm is a better option at us $580, that's base, pedals, wheel, desk clamp. U would then have an upgrade path later to go to 8nm and load cell
They've been saying on various social networks they are working on getting authorization from Sony and Microsoft. For a few months now but I don't know how long this whole process takes. Hopefully we hear something soon. There are ways to make it work with adapters, but I'm waiting for native compatibility.
What is the Newton metres do? Is it the resistance of the steering wheel?? and do the steering wheels automatically recenter itself like in real life or you manually have to recenter it?
Do you think getting this bundle and adding the fanatec csl load cell brake pedal (as a stand alone addition) would work? (putting the fanatec between the included Moza pedals, using them as accelerator and clutch) All in would be around $750 for a DD wheel and LC brake 🤔
I have the exact same question, hopefully he answers before black friday 😉 You mean only the load cell brake pedal kit or the whole CSL pedals LC? Also when you want to buy this bundle there is an option to buy a €31 SR-P Lite Brake Pedal performance kit. Is that worth it? Makes it it as good as load cell brake pedals...?
@@EagleGhost8 I ended up finding a used CSL elite for cheap, added the thrustmaster TLCM pedals.... whole set up was less than $450 (pre black friday sales)
@@EagleGhost8 sorry i wasnt clear, the CSL Elite wheel base was bought second hand, got the thrustmaster TLCM pedal set brand new, and picked up a McLaren GT3 wheel for the base
