Is this worth the extra $1,000?? - Logitech Pro Racing Wheel and Pedals 

Of course Jake would cover the racing peripherals. Won’t be long before he takes it home, not that I’d blame him.

Always nice to see LTT covering more sim racing things 👀

Bro put on some headphones or turn up the sound. What kind of psychopath plays a racing game with no sound and then complains about the sound of the wheel in a completely silent room?

Yep, I picked up the G920 back in 2019 for $180. (2019?!! Time flies.) It works for me. I did have to mod the brake pedal to remove the dampening sponge that made it very difficult to press. My kids are starting to get to the age where practicing driving on a computer is far more legal than taking them in an actual car to some parking lot.

My personal tldr review on this wheel is that it's technically great but much higher priced than comparable tech. It also looks like a gaming controller. Pretty much all other DD options can look and feel like a real racing wheel and I find that way more appealing.

9:45 Dual clutch levers are used for e.g. F1 cars. That's the way real F1 drivers use the clutch, too. The idea is very simple, yet effective. You adjust clutch levers so that the sum of the levers controls your clutch and you calibrate the levers so that you can drop one (let's say left one) at the moment you see the green light and that gets your car moving without stalling the engine (with quite a lot of clutch slipping though) and then you modulate the clutch activation with the another hand (right in this example). This allows very accurate launch without computer assisted clutch which is not allowed in F1 racing.

I use a Simucube Pro and Heusinkveld pedals, so this obviously isn't on my radar but I really like the idea of a proper consumer available DD wheel. I think it's hilarious they beat Thrustmaster to the punch when they've been teasing one for so long.

The plastic screw and plastic housing for the temporary clamps are meant to be soft so you're less likely to damage the surface from repeatedly removing and re-installing the kit the same goes for what i am assuming is going to be a lowerable carpet grabber pad for the pedals, where you also get the option to hard mount it.

I really like trueforce, you just need to tune it to your liking. 100% is a tad too strong in ACC. Also the effect is handled much better in Dirt Rally 2.0.

On the topic of Logitech's true force, I race on iRacing with the G923 which supports true force. My trueforce seemed what I thought was normal for the longest time, and one day while I was putting my wheel away dropped it, yes it still works, but the trueforce sounds (and if I had to guess, feels) like what it does in this video. There is a chance it could be broken in this unit, but I also could be wrong, maybe trueforce wasn't working for me and one day it decided to start working. Would like to hear from other owners of Logitech wheels with trueforce. Edit: For added context, when it started not feeling what it used to, I disabled trueforce in iRacing.

I think whats often forgotten comparing to Fanatec, is for a PlayStation setup the only option available at least here in Australia Starts at $2500 for the DD1 podium base and club sport F1 wheel , pick the closest matching pedals to the Logitech G force pros and that set up from Fanatec is $2500 AUD. And if you absolutely despise an F1 wheel it’s another $600 for a round wheel, bringing it up to $3100, because you can’t get the DD1 base without the F1 wheel. Compare that to the Logitech with its pedals for $2100 AUD, that makes it quite competitive here in Australia and you get a normal shape steering wheel. Granted the Fanatec has more torque and it’s a smaller unit, this may justify its extra cost, but that only inforces how well priced the Logitech is here, being $400 less and still producing 12 Nm - about the average maximum most users prefer (not everyone wants to pay the extra for more torque) 12Nm really is a lot. G29’s produced about 2.3 Nm. Fanatics gear is awesome stuff and their options are endless, it’s too bad there isn’t a better value option for PlayStation (probably a licensing issue I suspect) but if that’s the case Logitech seem to have got around it.

As an LTT fan and a sim racing fanatic, these are my absolute favorite videos on the channel. It's nice that Jake is actually into sim racing, it's such a niche hobby that it would be super obvious to anyone who knows even a little bit about the hardware if he was just fumbling though it. Like Linus tried to do with the full sim racing set up lol. Love the video, not interested in the Logitech wheel, but happy to see sim racing getting any mainstream youtube coverage.

Jake is taking this home for sure

You should check out the Moza Racing r5 and r9 bundles for more affordable direct drive options. They are lower torque, but also around $600 usd for the r5 wheel base with pedals.

These last few years have been aweful for manufacturers massively increasing prices.

“Why is there a racing line on?” Proceeds to totally ignore the race line and steam into the gravel 😂

I mean, I've seen some sim racers that actually like the trueforce after setting it up a bit. But then again, they test their stuff for a couple of weeks before making a video on it. It's honestly a bit sad that this is on a short circuit, it deserves more than just unboxing plus an hour of gameplay.

F1 cars has a two stage clutch. thats really the only place you would use that dual clutch paddles. press both in, drop one paddle for 50% and then you feed out the rest.

If by previous generation you mean the G923/G27 then the wheel didn’t feel cheap. It felt very premium for what it is. It’s metal wrapped in leather. Not sure what you were expecting.

I have TruForce turned off on my G923. When Logitech announced this I was immediately intrigued. I love Logitech gear and the G923 has served me well for iRacing. Would love to see more wheel reviews on here.

you guys NEED to do more sim racing stuff

If Fanatec could keep inventory in stock.....

I recently purchased this wheel, and I think your experience of TrueForce may have been impacted either by the fact you used the wheel desk-mounted or by in-game settings. I have mine mounted on a PlaySeat Challenge and use it mostly with iRacing, and I find TrueForce to be immersive and realistic, not noisy. That being said, increasing the amount of gain for TrueForce in G-Hub or in-game can negatively affect the overall force feedback of the wheel.

The “dual clutch” paddles are for the lower paddles in F1 games. The clutch is on the wheel in an F1 car. At start both clutches are held, then one is let off before the other for the best launch.

I love the Sim racing videos! They are great.

The reason they used USB A ports on the back is so that if you want to plug the pedals in direct to a PC for full range of the pedals then you can but allows them to also be connected to the wheel base for proper console support, this way unlike others you dont have to switch cables making things far simpler for people that want to switch between full range on PC direct to console support by just moving the cable from PC to wheel base.

I must admit, the quick release for the rim looks a hell of a lot better than the Thrustmaster TX base 'quick' release 'system' with a woodscrew

11:44 that's why there's a racing line lol

Appreciate how ya'll are using this gear with the sorta stuff a normal person would have. Most probably wouldn't consider the flimsy ikea table or monitor shaking when ordering a nice wheel like this, so seeing that reflected in the vid is really nice for making an educated purchasing decisions.

Micro USB is a dealbreaker for me. So many of those things have broken on me over the years I'd never trust them on a $1000 device. Ever. Usually it's the cable rather than the device that breaks, but not always. Hell, a regular USB Type-B would of been better, not like this requires high data rate.

I wish somebody would make force feedback gearshift. Why isn’t this a thing. Gearshift should rumble a bit, as step on the gas. I want this for ATS, but nobody make force feed back gearshift. I want see somebody make big rig wheel. That be nice. As in commercial big trucks (Pete 389 etc). Been happy with my g29/ TH8a shifter and add on shifter for ATS, sure not wheel. But good starter wheel. Agreed this wheel is too much. Especially here in Canada.

I've had this Logitech Pro wheel and pedal for about 2 months now and it is fantastic. I'm in Australia and Fanatec was just impossible to buy so that is why i got this, but I truly don't regret it. Once you get it set up to your liking you love it. 2k in Aussie dollars. I also have it mounted to my chunky desk with the clamp and it does not move at all.

Dang that is awesome maybe I should add that to my setup for my videos. I don't have a direct drive yet

Ive got the G920 and I really like how these petals are adjustable but they still look too close together! Also, finally a joystick on a wheel!

My first wheel for sim racing was a logitech driving force GT. I concur on the plastic clamps, as one broke off. Used 3M command strips to 'velcro' it to my desk for 4 years. That would not be a solution with this wheel. But it still always felt good to smoke a split while spending half the time pressing it back into the command strips.

With good speakers or headphones the trueforce audio through the wheel is very nice, it complements the audio. If you take it on its own, without good audio, it's awkward. That's on G923, I'm guessing it's similar on the pro. I'll probably upgrade to a fanatec something, but then I'll want to create my own trueforce with a but-kicker. If you think about it, in a real car you can feel the vibration of the car engine through the wheel, and you don't only feel the tyres on the road. Trueforce get's that close.

The only thing I wish we had was force feedback flight sticks that are reasonably priced. All the driving wheels get force feedback :(

If racing gear is up on the block for review, check out the Moza R5 and/or the R9 bundle(s). The R5 just released and it's a budget DD wheel and I'm currently waiting for mine to come in. Moza has been storming the industry.

The honk when Jake pressed the wheel was a great touch! 😂

11:38 'idk why there's a racing line' proceeds to find out why there's a racing line

Lets gooo!!!!! More Sim racing content from you guys 💪💪

finally!!! love this. ltt covering sim racing gear is awesome, its an amazing niche and well needed and deserved this kind of coverage.

Probably one of the most appropriate uses of the word "massive" I've heard in a while, given that "thud" when Jake put the thing on the table harder than normal.

You cant feel clutch engagement through the pedal, you can pick up on the engine vibrations maybe depending on the car but clutch pedals are linear in feel. Just try operating one with the engine off.

I bought the CSL DD with boost kit and almost the cheapest WRC wheels, ended up paying more than 1400$ CAD including shipping. Does not seems that much cheaper than this one! Oh and using the CSL DD boost kit with the "free" QR1 attachment for the wheel is kind of broken. After a few week, you end up with a "loose" in the wheel when you change direction rapidly

Moza Racing! I just got the R9 wheelbase (9NM) and with Black Friday deals I squeezed out under $1000 for the base, wheel, pedals, and all accessories. All metal build too

ohhh boy, Jake shares my sentiments about the wheel exactly: there are several options out there for less money, no matter how you slice it. Even recently, Moza just released their R5 base for $350. Add on a wheel and you have a wheel base and rim for $500. Not everyone is going to need or want to use the extra Nm headroom here. There have been so many actual drivers who acknowledge that cars with power steering are no where near as heavy as 11 or 12 Nm, so no, there's nothing wrong with liking the extra force, but it doesn't mean that you'll be getting less information from the FFB with less Nm headroom, and 90% of sim racers stay between 5 and 8 Nm anyway. There's just a ton of Logitech fans who think anyone balking at the price point either has an anti-Logitech bias or just hate anything new, but Jake is right, $500-800 is the right price point for this wheel. Before Moza, Fanatec, and Sim Magic came out with cheaper solutions between 4-700 for a base and a wheel, this price point would be understandable, but those companies have released too many cheaper options to justify buying this over any of those for any reason other than feeling safer with Logitech or living in a country where it's literally impossible to get them. Even console compatibility can be navigated with a usb hub/adapter. There are a ton of people who make it seem like money is no object to them. I have no doubt it's a great wheel, but it's damn near twice as much as the competition at this point.

Along with the CSL DD, another 2 cheap DD options are the Moza R9 and Moza R5 (Bundle). The R9 comes at 440$ (without a rim) and delivers 9Nm of torque, while the R5 is priced at 599$, for a wheel base producing 5Nm, the basic rim, and throttle + brake pedals (not loadcell though). Also for the R9 you can get the basic rim for 250$, or some higher end ones for around 450$.

David gives great racing advice I'll remember that stuff next time I play Forza

You guys should try out the Moza R9. It's really good from what I hear, and it would be great if we had a review of it!!!

I picked up the Moza R5 over black friday from Microcenter. Was a $499 with 10nm direct drive with wheel and pedals. Great budget option for direct drive with less wheel support, but might not be a problem since many people will buy and never upgrade.

1000 for a solid wheel and an 11 nm wheel base isn't bad. that new $650 thrustmaster is just the wheel base. the other cheaper options you mentioned are also less powerful.

I’ve gotten more serious about sim racing recently and just got a G923. I’ve already turned off all assists and once I start improving on lap times, I’ll get a direct drive wheel

10:30 Assetto Corsa Competisee-o-nay Great job, Jake! Keep up the good work!

Dual clutch paddels is a pretty standard thing in newer f1 and paddle shifted open wheel cars that do not have a clutch pedal.

My man needs more track time at Leguna Seca

I wonder if the 4 pin connector at the wheel's quick release is using canbus protocol to communicate with all the switches on the wheel. BTW, there is something funky with the audio with Jake's voice.

As an owner of a Logitech DD Pro (Got it a lot cheaper when it first come out!), some things glossed over were the multi profiles accessed via the on board screen so Trueforce etc can be tuned to your liking, also Force feedback can be tuned too you don't need it breaking hands at 11nm all the time. The USB hub on the rear isnt True USB so don't try and use as such. I do however agree on one point I am looking forward to more wheels being released for it.

Can I make suggestion, compair it to the simagic alpha mini , I'm sure it walks all over it and it's a comparable price. I've a simucube 2 pro and HE sprints personally but I've had most of fanatec's products at some point ( csl dd , dd1 , dd2 V3 pedals , and a bunch of there wheels ). But I'm glade I moved to simucube, and I know people who went from fanatec to simagic alpa who were happy they did also.

the clut paddles thing is for f1 style clutches which are on the steering wheel! v cool to see on a prosumer product at this price point

True force is ok at 10 rather than all the way up. And also having the force feed back being set to a controllable setting help jake lol

Fanatec this, Fanatec that. Need to explore your options more. Sounds just like a plug for them and without knowing nothing has been in stock for most of the year it seems. Moza Racing, Simucube, Asetek, and Heusinkveld are a few brands that have amazing wheel,bases, and pedals all at varying price points.

Have the wheel mounted to the desk wasn't as big if a disaster as I was expecting. I have a VRS and there is no way I could mount it to a table without causing all sorts of chaos.

I'm glad they didn't put the connectors on the bottom like they did with the g29 wheel,. The bottom connectors seem like a hassle if you want to for instance just disconnect shifter etc you have to totally unmount the wheel from a desk or cockpit to change anything.

It's so interesting how racing peripherals are evolving! Good job guys!

I like seeing Jake review the sim racing gear. He's quite obviously an enthusiast who knows the products and what people want and don't want in this sort of hardware.

i loved my csl dd pro gt, but now am getting the dd+ cant wait, great videos btw!

David's comments to jake make this so much better.

I'd love to see Jake test the Moza R9 lineup

it' great that you are discerning enough to see where they used lame connectors, and you're exactly right. for that kind of money, it should be just about perfect.

I have a micro B cable exactly like that on my Astro C40TR (makes sense since Astro is owned by Logitech). Even after getting reefed on for years and being constantly plugged in and how, the connection still clicks in place like it's brand-new.

So watching videos and doing research, I am between Moza and Thrustmaster's new DD offering. This will be my first sim rig and I don't want to feel pressed to upgrade. Fanatec is high priced with limited availability, it's for serious enthusiasts with rigs. Moza and Thrustmaster are in the competitive market and are more widely available with swappable wheels. That Sparco one looks incredible. Then Logitech has big branding and the largest retail availability. $1k is just too much with Moza and Thrust making great products in the 600-700 range

Dual clutch is reference to F1 (formula one) cars that have a 2 stage clutch.

It would be awesome to do a head-to-head between wheels at different price points to see if buying a more expensive wheel make you faster.

nice touch with the horn

need more of these videos

I need me a racing sim set up ong!

I mean, cool that Logitech steps up, but at this price point I would definately go to Fanatec. Seeing the data and some details I suspect a lot of it is Fanatec anyway but I could be wrong. And the eco system of Fanatec is a lot more evolved. And for those who want quality Heusinkveld is the choice. The Sprints are very good for the money. For Wheels the DDs of Fanatec are good I guess, I personally went for the Simucube 2 Pro which is awesome.

Honestly I wish the hub used usb type B 3.0 connectors. Works well as a standard connector for larger items, and the connector always gave an impression of robustness. the reversibility or extra pins of usb C aren't really needed but a 3.0 hub would have been nice.

Haha, the "honk!" there made me almost spit my coffee!

Vessi, sponsor a new pair of trainers for Jake... He really needs them

I had the Logitech G923 and swapped to the Fanatec CSL DD when I got more serious with sim racing. I don't think I would ever pay $1000 for just a wheel and base.

I like mine. The trueforce is kind of cool. It gives me a warning in iRacing when I need to upshift with a vibe thing, which is great when in VR. I have Fanatec clubsport pedals, but I've not had good luck with Fanatec wheel quality over the years, and they are having stocking issues lately, but every Logitech wheel I have had has been just about indestructible. Probably shouldn't do a review on a wheel of this quality without it being in a cockpit.

I'm a huge Logitech fan, all my peripherals are Logi, 815, 502 Lightspeed, Powerplay, 935s, X56 HOTAS, I think they're all built well and I like the way they feel. GHub had some major growing pains, but for the last year it's been rock solid. However I'm so sick of them not having USB-C. It feels like they absolutely hate USB-C for some reason.

How cute to see the car guy learn about clutch paddles 😉

Appreciate Jake's take on this

Really good video ! Sounds like the audio starts going out towards the end .

6:14 good tip for Logitecht about the colors.. it baffles me that a company as big as Logitech screwed this up. There are a lot of color blind (there are multiple types of colorblindness) people out there... to which this manual is useless. They should have just printed: A-B-C or something on those things...

Interesting to see how Logitech stack up against the small companies like Fanatec, Simucube and Heusinkveld et al.

The whole car horn and MLG horn thing at the end really got me and made me laugh

Bruh. I just saw this channel for the first time and I watch LTT a lot. I subbed. Very glad you're also into cars! I am getting this...

If only Fanatec could actually stock some of their entry level DD setups. I've been waiting a year and still nada. Might just grab this thing instead.

Nice, revue. The CSL DD is not the one to buy, the reason is simple, out of stock. It's been a while now, and once they come back in stock, the price will hyke, fanatec allready annouced it.

I just grabbed the PlayStation version and pedals. Now just waiting for my playseat trophy to get here. I will say one thing that made me go with this instead of the fanatic. Availability! You can’t get the fanatic anywhere it’s been sold out for months and they don’t expect stock until later next year. I also decided to bite the bullet even with the hefty price since it’s a Logitech and I’ll know it will last for awhile.

The trueforce doesn’t bother me as much after wearing a head set and it also helps in some games where going over curbs makes the car spin more

Some of those usb decisions can be to avoid digital noise, feedback and improve latency. I worked for a commercial flight simulator company and interacted with a lot of major simulator peripheral companies and that was often a huge issue. Along with what chipsets and ports were used on the host pc too. We actually see these issues frequently in VR, as Linus has complained about frequently.

You guys should roll your own DIY cockpit using the chassis of some old junk car. XD

The try force is suppose to simulate steer wheel shake from the road and motor, to do that there are gears that rub on each other

thanks for finally getting into driving stuff

That's always my issue with pedals, the clutches just feel terrible especially if you actually drive stick. That actual engagement and tactile feedback is so important in my opinion and they can never find a way to have that.