A Message To ALL Wi-Fi Netplayers In The FGC... 

Wi-Fi players: Man this lag... Wired players: Searching for Opponent...

Imagine a world where every game has rollback and every player uses a wired connection. A man can dream...

I think developers should just bundle a LAN cable with their games at this point

4:01: “Mankind knew that they cannot change the netcode. So, instead of plugging in the Ethernet cable, they blamed the JP Devs”

My problem with this video is two fold: 1) You don't explain the harsh reality as to why WiFi is bad. A cable can do a '2-way' signal, it sends and receives data at the same time. WiFi on the other hand can only do one or the other. It cannot both send data, and receive data at the same time (Even if you have a router that can do both, none of the systems on the market support that anyway because they use bare minimum WiFi adapters at that). This doesn't effect things like watching videos or downloading updates, but a game is both sending and receiving inputs at the same time. WiFi was not made for this in mind, and as such it really makes the issue vastly worse as a result. Sure, you can be 'right next towards the router', but you're still only doing 1-way signal talking on a product that nearly requires 2-way. The fact that you -never- went into the reasons as to why, just going 'WiFi BAD, WIRED GOOD' is just...I feel like you're not making it understood as to why people should be getting cables in the first place, and that hurts your message overall. 2) You really should have better explained the price point and cables in general. The $5-$10 cables are at best...10 feet. You pretty much have to be right next towards the router for that little amount of cable. For a lot of people who are a few rooms away, they need at least 60+feet cables to really reach, along with stapling/managing it so it's not kicked/tripped/ruined, that length can easly be as much as a game outright, along with the time to put that all together. It's still worth investing and doing in the end, but assuming people can just drop $10 bucks and be set in a 10 min video feels like you're misunderstanding the situation for some people. The idea here is good, but for the length of discussion and editing involved, this felt less informative, and more ramble on a topic that really needs less emotional input and more cold hard facts.

Wi-fi warriors seething.

"Take 5 dollars away from this guy, cancel your sub and get one of these." LMAO

WiFi warriors: "It works for me" Welp you finna get them skips from Lan people.

Physical copies of fighting games should all have an "Online Warrior Edition" that comes packaged with an ethernet cable and a drill

Devs should add a "Do not match Wifi users" button.

As a WiFi player, I literally don't care.

I can't believe Obama's Co host is throwing Majas under the bus like that.

Man even with rollback trying to play on wifi is cancer.

Glad I can be one of the Sajam subs that does have a Lan cable

I am gonna roast so many people on stream the moment September 24th comes around for GBVS I'm praying we get a wifi indicator. please.

My modem and my PS4 and PC are in different rooms but anytime I’m hopping online I run my long ass cat5 across the house lol.

Cult of sajam: Wifi works for me you cant force me to play LAN Japan: delay based works for us you cant force us to implement rollback Cult of sajam: wait that's illegal

I'm on a wire, but for every 1 wi-fi player who's tuned in to the FGC, there are 100 wi-fi players who have no idea the arguments are happening and honestly don't really care. They just want to play some Street Fighter or whatever after work and aren't gonna change their setup. getting most people off of wi-fi isn't feasible, and splitting the community in half isn't exactly a great solution either.

Get a lan cable, wear a mask, the Earth is round...what's next? I'm gonna include wifi in my matchmaking just so I can decline every wifi player.

For those who can’t use Ethernet because of your living situation invest in a power line adapter it makes it so you can have Ethernet anywhere in your house as long as there is an outlet

I watch Sajam, and I just assumed that the people who want rollback like me is because the netplay is still garbage even on a wired connection. I say this because Skullgirls was the first fighting game I frequently played online with friends, and that gave me a false image of what other FGs play like. Then we played DoA5/6, UMvC3, etc. It was so much of a horrible experience, we started having a hiatus on fighting games because of it. Now if we ever want to play any fighting game, we frequently look first if it's good rollback, and not the kind from SFV launch.

I think a good part of people on wifi don't especially think it's ok. I mean...it's only based on the people I know, but from those who still use wifi, the reason is often that their PC is too far from the router to connect it easily (e.g. the router is in the living room, and their PC is in their bedroom). There are of course solutions, but often the parents won't go out of their way. It's more the parents that are like "Wifi is good enough, deal with it" with their children, I think.

It's a step in the right direction but sadly people can still be wired to a network that gets its internet wireless (5g routers, 4g LTE routers, wimax routers, etc.) and the game won't be able to detect that they're using wireless internet.

You know what's way worse and probably even more common than bad connections due to WIFI? Multiple person households bombarding their stock ISP routers with streaming all sorts of shit at once, the cheap chipset in there gets overloaded and can't load balance properly and then you get lag and a cable won't fix that.

WiFi Warriors put on notice.

THANK YOU. Everyone screaming about rollback while playing on cheap Wi-Fi. Everyone who plays fighting games online should see this video.

When you showed Sajams channel I DIED 😂😂😂

I hear the voices of 41k leeches crying out in anger as they are left behind in their wifi wasteland

My router is across the house but I still bought a 100 ft Lan Cable and made sure it didn't get in anyone's way. My matches are so much better now. It was expensive since it was a 100 ft cable, but it was worth it.

this is the tekken community, which i'm sometimes embarrassed to be playing the same game "T7 online mode is so trash, bring ROLLBACK blah blah blah", then they go "oh i play on wifi" lmao....no fucking excuse to be playing on wifi

Even if 100% of people were using ethernet, we still need rollback. Delay based netcode is unacceptable. It's not hard to implement.

"if you would legitimately want to run a cable but there's stuff blocking you from doing it, i totally understand. that being said, i'm allowed to call you a wifi-playing bitch" -sajam

WiFi works fine for me. But I do know it's a shit show for everyone else and that's why Im trying to get wired connection.

It's unreasonable to expect people that buy your game to use a specific network type. Thats why developers should assume the worst and implement good rollback netcode like GGPO. But yeah wifi is really bad for fighting games.

Give us Rollback

It’s insane to me that people play mostly on stationary consoles and pc’s but can’t tether themselves to an Ethernet port for whatever reason. Whenever you even make a gentle recommendation to use a cable, these people get defensive like the idea of WiFi is a member of their family. Listen man, there are so many variables with internet services especially when using WiFi. Your router, your wireless card/adapter, your distance from the router, how many walls are between you and said router, and whether you have the option or enough IQ to decide between 2.4 GHZ or 5. Just swallow your pride people, it’s not expensive and it’s not that difficult man.. Or atleast just stop whining, cause most all of us have been there. You have to realize at some point it is probably your decision to have shitty internet and not the game screwing you over.

I was tired of not being able to play ranked so I finally decided to run a 50 foot ethernet cable from my room through my vents down to basement router

Cable player here. I think a missed point (despite all the funny vitriol which was honestly entertaining and i can't wait for Sajam's response) are the players that given the chance would jump on lan but for logistics reasons can't. Should they drop online or should they continue to play given the fact that they really cannot get a wire through their home? I'm 100% in favour for lan/wifi display before match and usually on discord people say that they are on wifi and sorry for the situation. WiFi is really really bad (i only play games with rollback so i can't really make the obvious comparison with delay) but i'm not not gonna play you if you ask, and well, if the match goes ok i'm 100% in into rematching. So... my little tip for wifi players is to get a wire, if that's impossible avoid jumping on ranked/casual matches. Just hop on a server for that game, ask to play and SPECIFY you are on WiFi. And especially don't compete in tourneys, please. You can get games going with a bit of honesty. Good luck to you all and may all the players get wired and all the games get rollback

I hope that every game that implements this "wi-fi player exposure" feature does it right, so we don't get something that starts labeling cable players as wi-fi players.

Ah yes, $3 to buy a meter-long ethernet cable to go from the router downstairs snaked around to the stairs and strung through the second floor hallway into the play room where all the gaming stuff is. Because we've already wasted too much money on trash in the house for us to spend the extra money to thread it into the wall.

Did Harada just expose 60% of his playerbase?

It's all about priorities. I know dudes that will spend $200 a week on weed & take out but won't spend $75 a month on Dope internet & a LAN cable 🤦🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️ & this is why I love your channel 👍🏿👍🏿

I'm glad he came around and said "Netplay is bad enough as it is" This needed to be said. The first part made it sound like as long as you had a wire, you're good regardless of how the netcode affects stability, which is clearly not the case. When we have the discussion of "Is Delay-based bad" it is presumed that we are coming from an honest place - i.e. the general population arguing the point has done all it reasonably can to create the best environment possible for seamless netplay. If WiFi users want to latch onto the argument, whatever - but to pretend that the only reason this view is valid is the legions of WiFi Warriors banding together for the cause is dishonest. Pretending that you can now shave those arguing for this point in half because of this statistic is even more dishonest. This change is great, but the end goal is still Rollback Netcode at the end of the day. Let's make that perfectly clear.

Y'all, if your modem/router is super far away, look into "powerline adapters" basically if you're electrical wiring was done after the 70's you can have a wired connection anywhere in you're home with a power outlet.

Legend has it they're trying to watch this video on wifi

I paid full price for a game im gonna play in what way is accessible to me which is wifi. Our router is too far to run a 50ft cable throughout the house.

Finally the lan/wi fi police Is real. Extremely appreciated. Thank you developers

I literally bought a 50 ft ethernet cable to connect from upstairs to downstairs...fellas, you gotta do what you gotta do SMH

I'm staying away from playing online until i got my room set up. Pretty close to getting the floor done, and then its the connecting all the electric stuff. Then i can maybe get out if wifi hell

I wonder if Dragon Ball drives up the percentage of wifi users

it's funny my japanese friend was on wifi and i asked him how long it took to download FF7R and he said around 21 hours, then i told him to buy granblue to play against him and said we're using a LAN cable this time... it took maybe 30 mins for download, he was absolutely amazed and was like "why the fuck doesn't everyone do this?!", there's your other reason

all my shit is cat8 i still lose to a wifi warrior whose mom wont let him run a cable through the house and his sister is streaming netflix in the other room

Lan cables helps with stability. it can't fix ping. I play on lan and can't play with people more than 3 states away from me in games that use delay based netcode. Rollback doesn't have this problem because of Its ability to compensate for packet loss and ping spikes. But, let's be real, the ultimate enemy of fighting game online (at least in the us) are the ISPs. It doesn't matter how good your net code is if Comcast wants to fuck your download speed because your family dosen't want to stop watching Netflix.

I have 2 options 1. drill a hole through a brick wall that's 25cm thick and get yelled at 2. buy a 20m cable that will run through multiple rooms that people will trip on I've got plans on how to fix the situation, but for now they're on hold. Until then I'm just chilling in lobbies. If someone has a problem with my connection they're free to get up, leave and not run the rematch. Bonus option is a powerline adapter, but I don't want to invest in something that I'll only use for a couple of months and even then there are scenarios where they might not work. I've done my research and as far as I can tell they're really inconsistent. It depends on quality of the wire, noise in the line, interference from other electrical appliances and wether or not they're on the same circuit breaker. House I live in is old so I'm not very confident in the wire quality. Plus, electricity cables aren't made to carry data. I'm currently looking into MoCA, but who knows how that will turn out. At least with MoCA you're using a cable meant for data transfer (coax cable) I only ask people to show some understanding because I see a lot of elitism about this topic. If the connection is bad you can always walk away. Being mean to people isn't going to help the community. Just hope your game gets the indicators so you can establish that from the start and avoid the uncertainty I just wish rollback was the norm so people being on wifi would matter a lot less

Not everyone can have their PCs/consoles next to the router, and people who rented their place for a few years aren't going to flip the house upside down to get the cable where they need. But then again this was streamed from a 10sqm japanese apartment...

The LAN display makes me wonder how many assholes are using those WiFi Extenders lol. So it’ll say that they’re using LAN but that actually isn’t the case.

C’mon sing it with me “Plug it in, Plug it in”!!

Good vid bro! I have Ethernet cable but I’m moving rn so I haven’t played online. I laughed so hard when you said “I’m gonna he fighting anybody”

>be me >be a teen in high school >parents have the router in their room >have the only actual computer in the house

I do currently play on WiFi but that's pretty much cause I'm lazy and haven't wanted to run a wire through my house. Though I did get off my ass the other day and measure out how long of a cable I will need so I can run it along the edges/corners of the wall so it can avoid being in the way. Probably next week that will be one less person playing Tekken on wifi

Once you go wired, you'll never go back lmao

Im not surprised by this at all, and actually I am shocked people are surprised and that its actually so high for ethernet use. Ethernet is "old". Its "wired" and "wires are going away". Wifi feels more modern and there is a perception with the average person that wifi is plenty fast enough in this day and age. Ethernet ports left laptops ages ago and I haven't used an ethernet port myself for probably 10 years and I know people who have never in their life used ethernet and barely even know what it is. Wifi and internet are pretty much even synonymous. Obviously with a console its pretty simple, the thing never moves so just plug the damn cable in, but im not even sure if my apartment has an ethernet cable. Never checked, never bothered. So the fact that almost half of people actually do plug it in is quite good.

Most of the time for people, the router is far from their gaming setup, and drilling hills through walls or snaking a long ass cable through hallways is not a viable option. Well, people still have other options such as powerline adapters. Although, powerline adapters are still at the mercy of the age of your house, it is still a better option than playing with no Ethernet.

I've drilled all the walls in my house in order to get a cable through and have a stable connection

If my room had easy access to an Ethernet port I'd be RIGHT on that

I wish people weren’t downvoting the WiFi apologists I have to go all the way to the bottom to read them and RU-vid isn’t very fun to use on mobile

My favourite excuse is "my router is on another floor and at the opposite side of the house, so I can't use a cable!". A ridiculous amount of people use this one and then proceed to hop online and play on that weak-ass signal from Uranus.

i see you in a whole new light just for this video, you got my like and imma share this all over the place.

Fellow WiFi warrior here. I get that people don’t wanna bad connection when playing someone but some people just wanna play the game like after school or a long day. occasionally I’ll get a playable connection then it’s just downhill . I’m happy just playing in training mode practicing combos I’ll never be able to land on someone lol.

Isolate 60% of the playerbase instead of fixing netcode? Why do any of this shit when you can just play LoL, OW, CSGO, WoW, and even melee of all things now on WiFi? Hopefully Riot and ArcSys to blow half these dogshit games out of the water and grab 60% of all their playerbases

I see Lan connection as showing up in a pressed suit ready for the meeting, and wifi as showing up in wrinkled casual wear.

A proud lan warrior subed here, and when im on the switch, I dont take that shit online, I play dpad joycon arcade mode because I have respect.

Bruh. Back when MKX came out and had delay netcode, my friend wanted to learn the game, so I was teaching him. We played every other day for 2-3 hours. It took me months to get him to go to the fucking store and get fucking a cable. And then sometimes he was like "I don't feel like plugging it in, I'm feeling lazy today, let's just play on WiFi, it works fine". Dude, shitting on some rando is one thing. But playing a fighting game with your bro on while on Discord and sufferring severe lag every 30 seconds really taught me Buddhist monk type of self-control.

people should not be shocked by the 60% stat. i can absolutely fucking guarantee many of the subscribers of this channel are on wifi too lmao they just won't admit it. i mean i don't have an ethernet setup rn (working on it) but i don't play fgs online at all

For me it's not a matter of being too poor to buy the cable, but more because my current home has no means to set it up. I share my place with 2 other people and we all use WiFi. The thing is, the place has 2 floors, the router is on the first one and my room is directly above it on the second. In order to even get the cable to my room, I'd need to drill a hole into the first floor's roof, which isn't possible. Thus I am stuck with WiFi as there is no other solution for me.

If you use Wi-Fi to play any console/PC game, your existence makes other people's experience agony. Use an Ethernet cable!

Funny that this vid is getting recommended again. Hahaha. It's always relevant!😂

some of us live in blocks where the router is out of reach. To get access would involve drilling holes through walls, some landlords aren't too down with it.

Lol the Sajam beef continues!

Going forward all fighting games should have 1. Rollback 2. wifi/lan indicator 3. Casual/Ranked 4. Que for casual or ranked matches from practice mode 5. Detailed practice modes including online practice modes 6. Replay mode with tips like how T7 now has

wi-fi warriors are like cockroaches; if you see one there's a guaranteed 40 more that are close by.

I was gonna bitch about my Living situaition and blah blah blah but I took one glance at the comment section and legit had no idea powerline adapters were a thing Thanks chat!

Even SFV had a detector of wifi connection but that's during the VS screen when you already accept the match...

This is what I can appreciate. As a man in my late 30s, I can always like when a Veteran within similar age range do diligence and slap these kids up a bit with the facts of life. Today's is accountability. This seems to go on with everything nowadays. Its everything's fault but theirs. Those Japanese developers are trying really hard to not shit on Americans infrastructure and connections.

Everyone who watched this and is thinking I wish, but I can't run a cable through my rentals walls or something similar look up powerline ethernet adapters. TP-link makes a bunch of solid ones. I use a pair of TP-link AV600s myself. Powerline ethernet adapters solve this you plug one into a wall outlet near your router and the other near your PC or Console and you have ethernet. No holes in your wall, no routing, no tripping on cables running down your stairs. The only thing to look out for is you can't put them on the same circuit as a large appliance say your AC, washer, dryer, that kind of thing. Which are almost always on their own circuits, but sometimes the outlets right next to them are on the same breaker. But it works in any other combination of outlets.

Welp, in my situation I can't fucking play with LAN because my house is kinda big and my room is kinda far away from the router, and I fucking won't put my console in the living room cause my bedroom is the place I can be on almost full privacy and that's how I want to play my games

LAN is beneficial but I never liked how superior LAN players acted tbh. Makes me want stop using LAN just cuz LAN players are so uppity and I don't wanna be associated with that

Imagine being the kind of person who subs to Sajam but can't spend five bucks on a cable. Disgusting.

i wanna get an ethernet cable and connect it to my pc but my router is apparently in the best place for my house, and my room is 2 rooms away from the router so i dont really know what im supposed to do. if i move the router to my room my routers connection might take a hit to everyone in the household so im at a loss. what should i do

My 30m cat8 cable is taking a long time to arrive so I've been playing on wifi and am personally asking for forgiveness.

I too was an unsubscribed AnimeIlluminati no cord heathen, but one day I found out about POWERLINE ADAPTERS and I was able to at least feel like I'm not some old man living with my parents. It will change your life. Damn I need a new one, it's been 4 years 🤔

Attention wifi users, just buy a powerline adaptor so u can have wired signal anywhere in the house

People who i don't know judge me by the color of my skin. I'am ready for it because it's a fact since... well, forever. Now people who i don't know judge me because i'am sub to Sajam. What a strange world.... I though the FGC was better than that tbh.

I didn't need Harada to tell me most DBFZ players are degenerates

I'd have to call Verizon to lay down wires in my house ONLY for SF6. Nope.

Most gamers play on console, they should take the option of using wifi on console away, pretty much forcing you to use cable to play anything online. Izi fix

Have you ever used powerline adapter technology? When I lived in my parents’ basement, I couldn’t easily string an Ethernet cable. I bought a $30 one off amazon and it greatly enhanced my experience and growth. Now I share bandwidth with a woman that streams HD on two devices. And I definitely use a LAN cable now. But yeah, that was my experience- would like to hear your thoughts on it someday.

I play on cable. But I do have some friends that play on wifi because they don't have the set up to run wired. Situations with roommates or similar, where the router is in one room and their playing in another room. They don't want to run a cable all through the house. Kinda sucks sometimes but some of them I can get a good lag free ( or close ) match. And some I can't. I don't think there's a easy world wide solution.

Wi-fi players completly ruin the online experience.

I hate walking into a 10 man lobby only to fight someone playing on a lag stage.