A New Overstable Midrange!?

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Here is an inside look as I try to fill a gap in my bag over the off-season! I noticed that I needed an overstable midrange in the Discraft lineup that I could rely on. In this video I'll let y'all in my head as I do some fieldwork and narrow down my selection. Let me know which disc you think I should bag based on the flights in this video, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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@GuyInnagorillasuit 2 года назад

I really like this format where we see similar discs compared to each other. Kind of like a Discraft-specific version of Eric Oakley's "Building the Bag" series.

@striker3212 2 года назад

This is great content. Wish more pros did stuff like this. You just gained a subscriber in me.

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

I'm SO happy to hear that, thank you for being here and welcome!!

@wingslikeairplanesTV 2 года назад

Check out Eric Oakley, he just did a whole building a bag series. It’s really cool!

@jessewilliams43 2 года назад

DGA Quake! - It doesn't feel that different from throwing a Buzzz, but with the glide of a Wasp and the stability of the BuzzzOS

@cameron6509 2 года назад

I second this. By far my favorite OS mid

@daven8905 2 года назад

Weird. The one I have is an absolute turd

@cameron6509 2 года назад

@@daven8905 dang sorry to hear that! I guess it depends how you wanna use it. Mine is like if a firebird were a mid. Low glide and great wind fighting, but not so OS that it is a shorter distance mid like a justice

@joyouswhimsical5402 2 года назад

I bag the Quake too, I absolutely love it, holds a hyzer super well, goes straight and dumps hard at the end if I throw it flat, and if I anhyzer it it'll fight back

@surfinglynn 2 года назад

Use to throw the Wasp and Buzzz OS; switched to the Quake. It’s like the love child of the two!

@kennethsmith3168 2 года назад

Paige would make a fantastic teacher! Very easy to understand.

@wisdumb47 2 года назад

I recently fell in love with a Drone. Now I throw it pretty much anytime there is wind and I need to go less than 300 ft.

@paulmiller4476 2 года назад

I'm liking the way you throw the Wasp.

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

I loved the way the Wasp flew for me!

@TheEaglesReign 2 года назад

100% try a quake!

@asasewell3029 2 года назад

You have one of my favorite forms. So smooth even when you rip on it

@usernotfound1423 2 года назад

The hornet is a go-to overstable disc that's straight to fade left but not crazy hard.

@nathanstraz8267 2 года назад

Yes! Bring back the Hornet!

@vpower987 2 года назад

I need hornet back ;( Got most of my aces with Hornet

@usernotfound1423 2 года назад

Yes I love the hornet. The buzzz if I throw it hard it goes over 320' but the hornet for me doesn't really go much further than 300' ever I like the hornet a lot!

@ryansuter4424 2 года назад

I looked at the numbers on the Hornet and my thought is since the Midrange selection is so slim by Discraft I wish they kept up production

@scottlewis5521 2 года назад

^this 1000% percent. I'm fortunate to have 4 brand new backups for when the one in my bag finally beats in. they did a limited ESP run last year, but they don't feel or fly the same. way more overstable than the original Z Hornets IMO.

@bradleyolijnek6099 2 года назад

I love the Drone! It’s very overstable so I know what to expect regardless of the wind conditions. That trust breeds confidence, and it is a staple in my bag for that reason.

@kaivaja 2 года назад

Loving this video! A lot of useful information about the process of selecting a disc that suits your needs without any added nonsense. Great work!

@dyounger3021 2 года назад

This has been the best off season/early season watching the pros throw different molds and show us how they pick disc to go in there bag!!!

@ruschj00 2 года назад

Quake is the best option that discraft makes.

@Vanbulance89 2 года назад

I really enjoyed seeing your process of finding a new OS mid. Thanks Page!

@JupiterHikes 2 года назад

The malta for me was a perfect complement to the buzzz. The drone and buzzzOS were just too overstable, while the malta is so workable while still being overstable

@joedaddy44 2 года назад

Jupiter! Great to see your comment. Casa de Luna now has a 9 hole course in the back yard. Please come by when you're in the area to visit and play some disc.

@JeremiahJensen 2 года назад

the buzzz os is my go to for longer upshots that the zone cant hit distance wise. love it

@mikefelix1233 2 года назад

I was having the same problem as you are. I tried all of those and finally found the DGA Quake I find it has the dump of the Buzzz OS and the length of the WASP. Also it works really well with forehands. I kept turning over the Malta and the Drone throwing forehand, but the Quake and and the Buzzz OS held the line. I definitely recommend checking a Quake out of yoh get a chance. Thanks for making this video. I hope to see you in Tyler next weekend.

@allocat5867 2 года назад

I love this idea! What a good video!

@ryansuter4424 2 года назад

Cool video Thank you for sharing your practice with us.

@alancarpenter1437 2 года назад

I love the buzz os. its gotten me out of trouble so many times . I like it for forehands too.

@southtoe3607 2 года назад

The Drone is the best of the group

@markvanderheyen4754 2 года назад

I have never thrown a wasp. I liked that distance you got with but no turn. The Buzz I have thrown and it eats wind for lunch. It hyzers no no matter what you should wrist up on the Buzz it can take it and still hyzers back. I also love the glide of the Buzz. Ty you for the video and good luck.

@EricLeeStepp 2 года назад

My Drone is a bit more overstable than my Malta. It took me a while to find a longer version of the Zone but less than a Raptor/Anax and the Drone fit that perfectly for me.

@joyouswhimsical5402 2 года назад

Gonna recommend the Quake, my favorite run so far is the Swirly GMC ones from 2021, reliably overstable in headwinds, but throwable to get distance out of

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

This is a VERY common answer1

@charlie3449 2 года назад

ProLine Quake is the same flight as an ESP zone for me but longer, it's amazing. It has surprisingly good distance too

@ttns602 2 года назад

this is golden content. love this!!

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it :)

@teachhikerepeat4622 2 года назад

Had a buzzzOS I used all the time. Threw it in a River….asked for a new one for Christmas, then got the old one returned to me. Now I have 2 :)

@hamanncheese6945 2 года назад

Those last two shots with Malta looked really good, little turn with hard fade and still good glide

@darreno9874 2 года назад

Hi Paige I like the Buzz os. Best wishes for the remainder of the season. God bless

@kitebum 2 года назад

Great video! For me the Malta filled that slot perfectly. It will straighten out and get longer flight after a few tree kicks

@TrevorRS05 2 года назад

Cam did great on this editing! The thumbnail alone is great

@tomfenter2566 2 года назад

I have an older z buzzz os and they have a slightly less deep rim and I love how they feel exactly like a regular buzzz. It also goes farther with an extremely reliable end of flight hook up.

@Ballovirta 2 года назад

Love these kinds of videos keep up the good work

@austinthrowsstuff 2 года назад

The wasp went straight

@mikedoyle9934 2 года назад

First off, there's imo some time to be given to beat the box off the new discs. Nextly...I'm not a huge buzz fan so working wasps is kinda what's been working for me. I like a drone in the bag and a meteor for US. I just picked up a gang of wasps after having an esp for a while. The cryztal didn't wanna turn so much and wanted to fade. It's not drone fade but it's solid. Im excited to see how this cryztal sparkle wants to fly. I think pretty true

@jonnybrand5102 2 года назад

If you can, get some of the ESP Hornets. The zone is my favorite disc so I tried to build my bag around similar flights. The ESP hornet is what I consider as the Zone+. Has better hand feel than Malta but pretty similar flight. (My hands are on the slightly smaller side.) Has more glide than the Buzz OS and will push a little straighter before the dump. Similar flight to wasp with a little more reliable of a fade and more stability. Have never been able to get my hands on a drone so can't not say how it compares. Good luck on finding the perfect disc.

@chriscarroll6447 2 года назад

Quite literally what i came here to say. Zone+ is very much what it is especially if you like the way the wasp feels. I bag drones but for what she's saying the Hornet sounds perfect.

@kurukururin 2 года назад

i love the hornet. its the perfect overstable mid!

@howieritter9456 2 года назад

I have been trying to fill out this slot as well. I love the Wasp although it feels pretty close to a stable Buzzz. It's also hard to find in ESP plastic for some reason. I think a seasoned Buzzz OS would have the perfect stability with the good feel in the hand and still be more dependably stable than a Wasp.

@BigSacCombo 2 года назад

I bag several wasps, they are just so butter. Always cycling 2 CT Glo wasps and have the Adam Hammes metallic Z wasp for more finish. They’re always reliable when everything else isn’t flying how I want.

@jordanurbanski6400 2 года назад

I love the Buzzz Os i have a jawbreaker ledgestone one there great for the backhand but the forehand is where they shine i trust them more with forehands than my zones and they just seem to always find the basket plus they beat in to such a good disc that they always have a spot in my bag.

@rubylong8897 2 года назад

Love this!

@caiusswanljung260 2 года назад

I think that the Buzzz os is real nice...Have noted big differensies in what plastic is used. Had 1 in esp really flat top that was really overstable for me, and now have 1 that is z flex plastic and it is overstable but flies farther and straighter before it hooks left. So I would test those discs in different plastics (if possible) before deciding what to use :)

@orb2150tx Год назад

I'm going to pick up a Wasp just because of this video. Keep doing these.

@dasbuj 2 года назад

I've had a ZFLX Buzzz OS in my bag since 2016, and it is an absolute money disc. Great hyzer disc for trying to dunk in from the field, great in the woods to get around corners. And they're beeeeefy, which is exactly what I want from it.

@djmohre 2 года назад

My vote is always for the Malta. I love it so much that I named my dog after it lol, great disc.

@scottspear3041 2 года назад

Drone top on a Malta bottom but the diameter of the Sol! Nice dome for added glide with a comfortable bead from the Malta and a smaller diameter for more control!

@garykennedy5322 2 года назад

Drone is like a longer zone. Been throwing it for years. Literally one of my favorite discs 🤘🏻

@wisdumb47 2 года назад

Amen. I love mine.

@Wizler71 2 года назад

Drone was great--super reliable like a Predator. Malta is not the same. I never tried the Hornet so can't say. Buzzz OS would be my choice from current production discs (like Paige said, it was more OS than I expected!).

@wisdumb47 2 года назад

@@Wizler71 I have tried my malta and go back and forth on whether or not I like it. It has a smaller diameter than most other mids so maybe that throws me off.

@JohanLind 2 года назад

I love my PP Buzzz in Z-plastic! Can't wait for the PP BuzzzOS!!

@merrykrismuntz 2 года назад

i love old school titanium discs wow

@matthewward5254 2 года назад

Buzzz OS is the oldest disc in my bag. It's sooooo consistent. Learning to throw it just adds that reliability. Comfortable in hand, super reliable flight, especially in wind. Perfect step up from a Zone (which I also bag)

@daven8905 2 года назад

Wasps are money. I was in the same dilemma as you. Previously I only bagged Buzzz’s of varying stability. But I wanted one with just a touch more over-stability while still getting a similar distance. Did some field work with a few different discs and bagged the Wasp. The first actual hole I used it on was a drop in birdie.

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

That is fantastic to hear, I'm loving the reliable fade and the smooth flight!

@Jase-ul5yi 2 года назад

Paige, you convinced me. I don't have suggestions for you but I know I'm buying a Wasp now! Lol

@annapurnaiscold 2 года назад

i feel like the wasp was the best of the test... but i can tell you're rooting for the buzzz 😁 i'd say go with the buzz, you like it, it is quite overstable and you're already familiar with the feel

@brandonscott8831 2 года назад

Pp the glo z drone are def the way to go they feel so great

@nickjuinta2827 2 года назад

I love the Buzzz OS once it beats in it’s a perfect OS amid

@steverogers6867 2 года назад

It's fun testing out new molds to see what might make the bag. I like this honest take. I dig the Buzzz OS too but can only throw it FH. Just don't have the arm to use it BH.

@mcox8829 2 года назад

Wasp to handle the wind, buzz os to handle the wind and go left

@greensheeps 2 года назад

I like your style.

@andrew56129 2 года назад

Cool dog, well behaved

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

He's the best disc golf dog out there :)

@harrisonmaas4797 2 года назад

The Buzz OS is a beautiful disc. Join Missy and make it great again!

@ErisianThreeFourteen 2 года назад

Great vid, 5x. I loved the flights you were getting from both the Drone and the Wasp. Would love to be able to add those to my trusted shots. Hrmmm.. to do that I'd need to "borrow" your arm speed. Ah well, back to field and form work.

@lilcasto 2 года назад

I literally just did this exact same exercise with the same discs (including a few others). I settled on the hornet after seeing similar results to what you’re seeing. Try out a hornet in a few different plastics. That might be what you’re looking for!

@mvbracing 2 года назад

This is a nice video format. Just bought a wasp based on this video. For me that will be overstable enough I think. My buzz OS is an absolute meat hook so i wanted something a little less overstable to bridge the gap between my Buzz and my buzz OS. Good luck this season! Greetings from the Netherlands

@khutzone5526 2 года назад

The drone once it beats in, Flies exactly how you described. Extremely straight with a late dump. My gf let me try her old drone and it did exactly that.

@cowboyclip 2 года назад

Maybe i need to beat mine in more, it’s a freaking meathook and doesn’t go very far before it dumps

@Trytec96 2 года назад

Great video. I think it's just crazy how you are a prime example that you don't need to be some big guy to throw distance and it has to do so much with technique and timing. Such an entertaining player to watch on tour because of the lines you choose that other players just can't reach, so it's not an option for them. Waco hole 18 for example.

@dcampbll12 2 года назад

Hey Paige, I personally like the ESP Drone because it's a little less stable, Wasp is a good option, and those ones are sweet, I want one 😩. Keep up the good work.

@agetori7743 2 года назад

Buzzz SS - Buzzz - Buzzz OS for midranges in my bag is such an easy fit

@robinlundin2605 2 года назад

Malta is my boy! i have two of them in my bag, so consistent! :)

@21sandh 2 года назад

Once beat in my wasp just goes straight. I think the buzzz os is your best choice. Good luck this season 👍

@bigbangpyro6876 2 года назад

I bag a Malta. It's great for headwind and situational shots (throwing around a group of trees). Also fun for short spike hyzer.

@jarrodbierman7333 2 года назад

Try the dga quake or hornet. Great smooth feeling in the hand with reliable fade when thrown hard.

@TheGreatestJuJu 2 года назад

Wasp looked like gold. Predictable. Flew straight, no turn and over-stability doesn’t kick in until very end of flight. Sure, the over-stability seemed a little weaker when it kicked in but you’d hit your line more often than the Buzz OS which likes to hyzer too soon unless you full power it, which leads to less accuracy…. Either way, probably my fav disk breakdown, easy to see flights with very well rounded dialog explaining what you expect and the results that follow. Seems simple but every disc reviewer I’ve watched can’t seem to get the simplicity of doing it right. (I’m looking at you Foundation…)

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

Yes, you are totally getting what I like about the Wasp! I do like the over stability in the Buzz OS for certain shots, but I think I'd rely more on the Wasp and then just put more or less hyzer on it when necessary!

@_moses_980 2 года назад

2015 Ledgestone Crystal FLX Buzzz OS is such a good run of that disc .

@baden68 2 года назад

I love the Buzzz OS, It's my go to overstable midrange.

@discgolflife Год назад

I bag the zone for those 250ft to 275ft stable shots, Malta and Rocx3 for the 300ft to 320ft, champ eagle or firebird for those stable shots 320ft to 360ft range. All these disc chew through the wind!!! Great video!!!✊ p.s. looks like the buzz os flys a lot like the color glow champion Rocx3. I'm going to pick one up and try it out.

@FormerAmericanIdol 2 года назад

Gotta check out the Hornet too. It's oop currently but Ledgestone had a run made last year and they are still available to buy.

@agentp4554 2 года назад

Wasp for sure! Love my darkclaw one! Hit up Foundation, Brodie, or Paul for one!

@joeallmon6942 2 года назад

Depending how much ground play you want Ledgestone released the Wasp in Crazy Tuff plastic and the Drone in rubber blend. These plastics might help the discs stay in the fairway on wooded courses.

@kurukururin 2 года назад

the drone in rubber blend is alot less overstable. its actually throwable ;D

@ryanrobbins3846 2 года назад

Great stuff. You found it in the buzz os... The wasp feels nice but lacks something to make it a go to disc.

@jillrafferty718 2 года назад

Love this video Paige bc I’ve been looking for a OS Mid too. I have a Malta but it flips a little too much on my forehand

@jimbrovont7014 2 года назад

I bought Paul McBeth's Premium 3-pack on a whim. The X Malta was a revelation for me and is now my go to midrange when I need overstable.

@johncraver4623 2 года назад

2021 Hammes wasps are awesome. Give them a try. Drones are really really stable

@philliplee8641 2 года назад

That spot in my bag is a Color Glow Legacy-Recluse 2020 Veteran Park Open stamped. Might be my favorite out of all my throwers. Except my Proto Passion of course 😉

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

Never forget about the Proto Passion ;)

@philliplee8641 2 года назад

@@paigepiercediscgolf never!

@philliplee8641 2 года назад

@@paigepiercediscgolf I'm not just saying that because this is your channel either Paige. It would ruin my game if I lost that disc at this point. I throw it on every course I play!

@djosiahw 2 года назад

Malta in Big Z flies different. I think it would fall in that sweet spot between Wasp and Buzzz OS. It does for me.

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

That's great to know!

@trixxpyro5572 2 года назад

I feel like with the drone and malta being super overstable, and the wasp and buzz os being just stable, you should release the malta and drone flatter or even a little anhyzer to get the most distance out of them since they are dumping left early. I really love your content and performance on tour! Keep up the amazing work!

@russheitkamp3485 2 года назад

Great video! Be careful of confirmation bias. The Buzz OS, Drone and Malta all basically yielded the same results. Any of those three would fill the slot nicely. Wasp isn't quite stable enough.

@fisherguy45 2 года назад

very interesting

@ulf5 2 года назад

I really like the Buzzz OS, however a big downside is that it's so rarely in stock. Being really careful with the one I have left :)

@mattsnyder4754 2 года назад

If Paige picks it, you’ll find a lot more of them all the sudden haha

@lowlightbw 2 года назад

try the hornet!!!

@brettmchan2855 2 года назад

I was trying to fill the same slot last fall. I am glad to see you are having the same dilemma I was. The buzz OS doesn't go far enough and just dumps out but the wasp is almost too strait. I ended up bagging them both. But maybe you can work on creating a new disc to fill that slot. A midrange that has good glide and distance but also has a dependable forward penetrating fade!!!

@troyb9985 2 года назад

I’m in the same boat, I live in KS and the wasp is a great disc but flies too straight or even turns over in a headwind. I can throw my zone further than buzzz OS.. I second your idea! PP OS midrange!

@brettmchan2855 2 года назад

@@troyb9985 I am just happy to see its not just me having this problem! However a PP overstable mid would be amazing! The malta and drone are a little too overstable for my arm. Although a X line malta is serving me okay for now

@cordellbreen169 2 года назад

That’s what my older run buzzz does.

@troyb9985 2 года назад

@@brettmchan2855 I agree, I really only like to throw a max 3 OS rating, exceptions are Raptors and Firebirds. A modified OS wasp would be perfect! I love the feel and flight just needs a touch more over stability for headwind shots.

@mikem4521 2 года назад

I think which ever disc you can throw that far flat and have it finish straight or even a slight left finish will be great, especially when your buzzz would flip over. Which ever disc has a small amount of flip up into the headwind can be put on little hyzer to get a stronger finish. Into the headwind trying to force a raptor probably has it skipping too far left, which could he similar to some of these skippy overstable mids. Or you have a straight overstable mids and a beefcake. Great video!

@frankbaraibar9182 2 года назад

Yo Paige, what's up? Great form on the throws. I would suggest Titanium Wasp. I have not thrown it but I under stand it feels good in the hand and I recently bought an Titanium Buzzz and I must say the Titanium plastic flies so good. Great video, good job. Good luck.

@ryansuter4424 2 года назад

I was looking for other options. I saw Out of production Talon 8 3 1 3 and tracker 8 5 -1 3. I wonder how far they would go when you power down your throw?

@melvinrivera95 2 года назад

I was going to say find an esp buzz os it's a little less stable then z or crystal z buzz os bur a quake is also close to it. Wasps used to be pretty beef like md3 but they just got so straight now. They diff plastic buzz os! I lovvveee my buzzez so same feel in hand buzz is was a no brainer

@tonitoivanen2315 2 года назад

You should try out the Nebula. I think it's somewhere between the buzzz os and the wasp

@andrewaronoff6019 2 года назад

I just traded my Wasp for a Pyro. Wasp didn’t dump enough for me. If you’re staying in Discraft and you still want the distance, I’d say Malta. I liked when I tried a beat in Malta, but brand new was a little too stable. Good luck!

@jonesj3504 2 года назад

Paige, if you like how the Zone flies, a Hornet is a great mid to get the job done. I use it for my ranges that I can't get my zone. I know its OOP, but if you can get your hands on some or have it brought back, I think you will like it. Otherwise, the BuzzzOS is a good deal.

@jameselvisproductions4501 Год назад

Wow,as I watch your videos as a beginner, I am so impressed with your drives! Considering I guess you weigh about 120 lbs, and are so lean, I wish I could command the power and distance and accuracy you do. Thank you.

@kenshin_1340 2 года назад

I have to say, I think you got some stable maltas as I'm 99% sure your arm speed eclipses mine and mine go straight for much longer than your throws did, even without a headwind

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

That could be the case, maybe I should give them another shot?

@kenshin_1340 2 года назад

@@paigepiercediscgolf try some Big Z's if you liked the feel of them? I found mine to be straighter than the ESP ones I had thrown of friends, but ofc it's a pretty small sample size

@drewbarnabei8477 2 года назад

Out of the ones you tried, I would say the BuzzOS. If it feels comfortable, since you already throw the Buzz, then the feel doesn't take any getting used to. But only bag it IF you can absolutely trust it. If you continue underestimating it, then it may cause mental conflicts because it is so similar and has Buzz in the name.

@zachsilvey9555 2 года назад

DGA Quake is a must try! Similar feeling to the Buzzz OS (just a touch more shallow). It fades out forward like a Force while still dumping as hard as the Buzzz OS.

@joecerone 2 года назад

Wasp shots looked great, but isn't the idea that the disc would hold up in a pretty good headwind? I have my doubts, just based on how they were flying for you. Seemed like you got the hang of the Malta a bit at the end there. OH, and it probably would've been helpful to throw the Raptor and Zone's that you're talking about, to see exactly how theses would differ in the same exact conditions.

@paigepiercediscgolf 2 года назад

Thank you, and that's noted for the next time I film something like this!

@josephbrowning8062 2 года назад

I have been throwing the WASP every since I started throwing back in 2016 in Oklahoma (wind is very prevelant). I will say the plastic makes a HUGE difference in stability. The titanium plastic is one of the least stable plastics for the WASP while the Z and metallic Z is one of the most stable. I bag a z plastic and ti plastic wasp for my overstable slot and can always depend on a steady straight to overstable flight in a headwind. I love that I can control the angle of release to give it more lateral movement and it can handle all the power a driver can.

@robertcoon5934 2 года назад

Although I've taken a break from OS mids, to focus more on understable discs, I think the Wasp and Buzzz OS make a fine tandem. I haven't thrown a Buzzz OS since I lost my final First Run, which I loved both in stronger headwinds and when they seasoned into a more all-purpose mid. With the Wasps, I look for CTs and used Zs for my straighter shots.