As I was listening to the first letter you got, my heart stopped. I had an almost mirror experience. I also recently started back on the covenant path and invited the Spirit back into my life. I had been watching Pastor Jeffs videos and found them very troubling. They watered my doubts. After repenting and receiving the Spirit once again, I decided to watch one of the videos that had bothered me before. Right before I played the video, I prayed that the Holy Spirit would be with me and that I would be able to see truth from error or deception. I watched the video again, and I saw immediately the motive. The Spirit spoke to my heart that the purpose of that video was to sew seeds of doubt. I saw that Jeff used circular and confusing logic to arrive at basically any conclusion that makes the Latter Day Saint Theology appear incorrect. When in truth, the simplest of logic would show you that it is actually the contrary. I was so confused by his explanation, I struggled to even explain it back to my husband when he asked about it. I also saw an utter lack of authority where I hadn't before. I couldn't believe the difference it made for me to have the Spirit with me. I couldn't believe that I'd allowed myself to be pulled away from the truth by seeming kindness. It really is true, us members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are so used to being talked down to and belittled by those of other faiths, it feels like such a fresh perspective. "Curiosity over Criticism." But as I have sought the Lord and his Spirit to teach me, I can clearly see that even the nicest, most genuine of people, can still be leading you away, whether they realize it or not. We should seek truth from the only source of truth, Jesus Christ, God the Father, the Holy Ghost. It is unwise to heed the words of those from off the path, even if they do seem reasonable and sincere. I think the Prophet said it best, "Never take council from those who do not believe. Seek guidance from voices you can trust."
Lehi's Dream says it best..."they heeded them not, for as many as heeded them...fell away". The voices from the great spacious building...can be very well disguised, but they are still voices of accusation and unbelief, no matter how "kindly" said. Much love, David
@@davidmalvinalexander Amen Brother David. Thank you for your honesty on this topic. Thank you for directing us all back to the Prophet. I really like what you said about conference talks being scripture. My husband and I have been watching conference talks everyday and what a difference it has made to turn off "the great and spacious building" and just keep out attention on the beautiful tree, and on Jesus Christ.
Jeff’s initial videos were intriguing. His interest, I felt, were more genuine. He kept more to the historical foundation and marvelous works and wonders that took place within the church in its establishment. I think he was even a bit taken by what he was experiencing. Again, despite his true desires, it felt more genuine. Soon after though, I noticed his avoidance of associating Jesus Christ’s name to the church name, or not using it while reading the Book of Mormon. He purposely avoided discussing or mentioning anything that used the name Christ. When he confronted the topic of Christ as it relates to the Book of Mormon, his response is full of complete skepticism and justification why the name couldn’t have possibly been know to the world until after he came. So again, discrediting any chance that we as members could be “worshipping the true Christ”. Also , softly dropping in doubts to the minds of believers. The moment I felt that void, I was out. When there is true intent to leave out Christ, we know it’s not of god.
@@Elizabeth-rk3doElizabeth, there’s a difference between each of the items you’ve listed, each having a different effect in one’s eternal existence. Sure, everyone has been given the free gift of eternal life through the atonement of our Lord Jesus Christ however there is more to the story. Hope you have a good grasp on all of these thing’s. It’s fine is you don’t want to be LDS, it’s your choice as it is for everyone else. God bless.
"Pastor" Jeff has several loyal fans and they are not going to like this, but nevertheless they do need to hear this and think about this. GOOD JOB Brother David. Thank you very much!!
Jeff can't possibly believe in the atonement for what it actually is because he doesn't even accept most of the true doctrine that defines the atonement , in which dying on the cross was only a part of.
He (Jeff) will most likely say perhaps ‘but that is what you call yourselves in the name of your church’. He is so confident in his “self righteous “ knowledge. I am 24:20 so glad that we live in America and have the right to and can Believe”according to the dictates of our own conscience” and through the Holy Spirit. He reminds me of the great flatterer in the Book of Mormon that had great skills /talent to lead some astray and was most popular …..
Absolutely, I concur. There is an intriguing aspect about wolves-their lack of self-awareness when they play the role of a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's quite remarkable how a wolf can don the guise of a sheep and still possess the audacity to stand among the flock, inwardly nodding in approval, thinking, 'Ah yes, this is just as it should be.' I wish I could cast him out from among us. Unfortunately the most effective I can be is to warn the other sheep instead of confronting the wolf. Thank God for those that do or can confront the wolf directly like you David!
In the forest’s hush, beneath the moon’s cool glow, Dwells a sly spirit with a cunning show. A wolf in the garb of the meek and the mild, With the fleece as his cloak, so deftly compiled. No mirror to question, no river reflects The duplicity of the guise he elects. In the fold he stands with a brazen grace, An intruder enshrouded in innocent lace. ‘Ah yes,’ he thinks, ‘this is where I belong,’ Amidst the sheep’s bleat and the nightingale’s song. Not a flicker of doubt in his amber-eyed glance, As he wears the wool like a knight wears his lance. Unaware of the irony that cloaks his skin, The wolf with no insight of the wolf within. A predator’s heart beneath a mask so sheepish, Believing his farce to be utterly seamless. With each silent step, he nods in accord, ‘Yes, this is just right,’ his inner voice roared. The sheep, unaware of the fox at the feast, See not the wolf, but a friend at the least. But what is a wolf if not wild and free? Does the sheep’s wool bind or let him be? In the dark of the wood, does he lose his own song, For the safety of a disguise where he does not belong? So ponder the wolf who wanders astray, Forgetting his howl, in the light of the day. The mystery deep, in the twilight unspooled, Of a wolf who is lost in the fold of the fooled. Yet in ancient script, the wisdom’s unfurled, From Christ who knew the hearts of the world. He spoke of the wolves, so hidden in plain sight, In sheep's garb by day, but by night they might bite. "Be wary," He said, "of the prophets who come, In woolen attire, but inwardly, they're numb. For they wear a disguise, as decreed in the lore, Yet I see their true skin, the wolf that they store."
Nailed it! Jeff “is” a wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing. All who dance around this, in a sudo-virtue signaling-politeness are wolves themselves, perhaps wearing only sheep’s gloves/ hoof boots if you will. Good job. Maybe others will wake up and stop trying to placate this minister of falsehood.
It took me watching a few views of Pastor Jeff before I realized He wasn’t looking at the Church with a desire to learn something new. He wants to teach us something old that doesn’t really work. I, for one, am grateful to worship a Jesus Christ who will not leave me sitting in my sins. That would not be a Heaven. Faith has two parts. 1. To trust and believe=to have faith 2. To be faithful. When Jesus walked on water and bid Peter to walk with Him. Peter had to look to Jesus to walk with Him. (Work) When he looked away from Jesus, Peter sank. Then, to be saved from the waves, Peter had to cry out to Jesus to save Him and grasp hold of Jesus’ hand. (Work, again!) All of this required work and desire on Peter’s part. You can’t have Faith w/ out works. It’s just not really faith. As we look up to Jesus in Faith He lifts us to where He is. I love my Covenant relationship as I am yoked with Him who is mighty to save me. He even takes away my desires to sin so that I only have a disposition to do good continually. So I’m always growing and being cleansed and My Savior becomes to me the Fountain of all righteousness springing up into Eternal Life. Who doesn’t want this?
Proverbs 26 28 A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin. Psalms 12 2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak #citicalgospeltheories in sheep's clothing :>)
Your song was great. Thank you. Several years ago I had congestive heart failure. I went to the missionaries and asked for a blessing, and they asked which one I wanted to give the blessing. My response was it did not matter if it be by His voice or the voice of His servants is the same. The Lord has given me the time to do all I need to do. This congestive heart failure was a great blessing to me for it has increased my son's faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ.
I was looking at a heart transplant in the spring of 1993. I asked my son Jonathan's teacher at Rexburg Jr High to give me a Priesthood Blessing on Easter Sunday. I went for an ECHO ultrasound of my heart the next day to determine whether or not I needed to go to the University of Utah to talk about the transplant. On Friday my Cardiologist in Idaho Falls welcomed me into his office with a huge smile on his face and proceeded to show me my results and say "The medicines are finally working!"...To which I replied "I think it was mostly prayer!".. (He was not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)...In 1997 I felt a little winded after climbing stairs and went to Dr and was put on Carvedilol (Coreg) and have been on it ever since. In 2004 my ventricles were not in perfect sync so I got a pacemaker which fixed the problem It was changed out in 2011 and 2019 with no problems. I go to McKay Dee for checkup once a year and my ECHO ultrasound this summer showed my ejection fraction had increased from 55 to 60!! The Lord continues to watch over me and grants me bounteous blessings! I had ten children of my own and now have been a nanny since 2007...currently caring for four beautiful children ages 2-8. My gratitude overflows...Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ know our names and know us personally. Best wishes to you!
Great question for Jeff David. Another few question he should answer: Do a thought exercise, honestly do it Jeff. What if there really was a apostasy, how would God restore the things lost? What if the Teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is true about the after life the plan of salvation ? What if what you were taught is in complete, how would you be taught those things that are missing? Here are some answer: Apostasy - Call a prophet like before and keep the Teachings and other things that would be lost hidden till a time where they could come forth and not be corrupted. One thing Jeff continually discounts is man's agency and God's law to not interfere with it. What if the LDS Teachings are true - then your Teachings are not complete and you as a Christian have been taught truth but there is more and you may be shocked when you stand before God who has a body and separate from the other members of the God Head or when you die and are given the opertunity to be taught before you are resurrected. I have done that thought experiment with the Teachings of evangelical Christianity. Jeff may not agree but have I accepted Christ as my Savior, yes. And I show that by my actions so if me as an LDS member just by that definition of accepting Christ as my Savior I would be good. but if not because I was deceived but followed his Teachings it may have been extremely hard for anyone not to be tormented for eternity. Every time I use Jeff logic it shows a partial God and a respector of persons, very Cavinistic.
Thank you David for continuing to call out Pastor Jeff as to his true goal in "teaching" members of our Church. I personally feel that it's a mistake to listen to him at all. Why put ourselves in a position that could be harmful to us. Shouldn't we be spending our time listening to our own leaders? Anyway, I'm thankful that you are one of us now! I love to listen to you because you love the true gospel of Jesus Christ and you affirm the teachings of our Savior and our leaders. Keep up the good work!
Jesus Christ summed up His assessment of apostate Christianity, He said, "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they denigh the power there of".
Hey David Alexander, you are the right instrument to help Pastor Jeff and all other people accuser of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,The Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints 🙏 ❤
I asked this in Jeff's video : Maybe some day Jeff can explain to us why Jesus thought it very important for Him to be baptized by full immersion by one qualified to do so and who He was baptized for?? ... Crickets. His video before that on a topic of God's children : Bible: Image and likeness, Children, Offspring ... FAMILY Jeff : "No, not really. We believe that in a different way" Me : What the?? ... Crickets. Conclusion : Pastor Jeff is a very nice Jeff Durbin. :>)
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
Absolutely love you and your content. I’m so happy you found Christ’s restored church so that we can all benefit from your unique outlook and experiences
Pastor Jeff draws near to the Lord with his lips, but his heart is far from the truth. As it says in Nephi Chapter 29, I do pray for Jeff and his family. 8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. 9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the asame yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. 10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
He won't answer. Economics is a powerful force and few overcome it. When we read 1 Timothy 6 last week about the love of money. It cut me to the very core. I think about how much I work and am a slave to economics and yet still pay tithing and love the Church of JESUS CHRIST, and yet I fail so much on looking to money to solve my problems more than looking to God.
I don't see how he can have the fullness of the gospel in his life while his occupation is preaching the Protestant religion. If he leaves his employ what will become of him? He would need a completely different career. He would have the criticism and even animosity of at least some of his current congregation. There is no indication yet that he is willing to find out if the Book of Mormon is true by the power of the Holy Ghost.
For reasons already said at length, Pastor Jeff will in all likelihood ignore your question. His mission as he sees it is to spread the gospel as he understands it. But the gospel is not for a private interpretation. And I don't think he's humble enough to understand all that that implies.
In D+C 93, starting in verse 15, Jesus speaks about his baptism and how he received 'all power' after that. I think that there's more importance to His baptism than even we as saints generally consider. Then he proceeds to tell us that we need to do what he has done. Sectìn 93 is so beautiful. Jesus really wants us to know Him.
Deb was spot on. As I have said before, I watched one or two of Pastor Jeff’s videos a long time ago and I realized quickly that he was not being genuine and was lacking in integrity and I could tell that he was not looking to find truth but also that he was monetizing his efforts to criticize the LDS church and the Saints, priestcraft. I agree with Deb that a person like Pastor Jeff will not see the truth until they are “compelled” to see the truth. At that point if a person has to be compelled, they are in the most awful of situations indeed! Thank you David. Again!
How is this brother? David Alexander, my name is Josué and I am a Latter-day Saint from the department of Lima, country Peru. My 2 questions for both you and Pastor Jeff are: If all the fathers of the Protestant Reformation observed the ordinance of Baptism in the same way as it is seen now? Second question, if now in 2023, all Protestant evangelicals today see the ordinance of baptism as they do? Pastor Jeff?, I mention it because of the issue of heresy that is mentioned so much, thank you very much brother. David Alexander. The Saints of the last days in Latin America are listening to you, one faith, one Lord, and one baptism, the unity of church, many blessings
I think you are the only one on YT that can answer his arguments because you understand evangelicalism so well. Thank you for calling it out. Many people are deceived. I stopped watching him a while ago.
Thank you David for defending the faith. I hope that Pastor Jeff has the integrity to answer your question, I guess if he doesn't then that will speak for what his intentions truly are. Keep your videos coming, they always feel the spirit when you talk ❤
It comes to my mind the parable of the scattering of the seed. Not sure that’s exactly what it’s called. But there’s a sifting that happens/is happening. And it’s bigger than Jeff. Some fall in cracks and some fall in fertile ground. Do the seeds decide? Maybe the effort they intend to make, but there’s little control over where you are scattered. Jeff is vulnerable himself. Can you imagine living in Zion, surrounded by saints. Next time he travels to visit parents or childhood friends, he WILL FEEL THE DIFFERENCE. I don’t know that other Saints are chumming up to him. It’s easier to catch bees with honey than vinegar. We can be cordial and respectful. But stand firm in our little bit of soil and bloom and show how well it’s working for us. Bloom where we’re planted.
In the interview with the guys from The Stick Of Joseph podcast, Pastor Jeff said “The Book of Mormon is closed to him.” He is not open to the fact that it might be true. He will never believe it to be scripture.
We don't criticize others, and we don't have any of that within our church. We don't live with weapons in hand. Unlike people from other religious denominations, they always speak ill of us and constantly persecute us. They can't stand our faith and the joy we experience as members of the church.
I stopped watching Pastor Jeff, it was interesting for a min, but to go that far into reading truth & staying blind to it, I can’t continue giving energy or time to that. I pray he discovers the truth he is so clearly missing. Time is almost over. Pray for our friends who reject the Lord’s truth. 🙏🏻
What are the works that Paul talks about that don't save you, lest any man should boast? Are they the works of the law of Moses? Or all they any good deeds, works, ordinances, covenants, or mental efforts (which works are often harder than any physical ones)? Jesus gave many parables about deeds, performances, and labor being necessary as servants of God to be rewarded.
David: Jeff would respond he doesn't believe we are saved. He alluded to that in his interview with the stick of Joseph. He also would say he calls us saints because that is the name of the church and not because he believes we are saints
I grew up in central Texas and as a teenager interacted with evangelicals and nondenominational Christians. I dealt with the "anti-church" stuff a long time ago and know many of the arguments that are used (they take classes on these things) and feelings that our Christian bros and sisters often have for us (not all, but a lot of them). I've never thought Pastor Jeff was sincere in his desire to understand members of the church of Jesus Christ of LDS b/c I've seen too many like him before. I wish it were different but he's not any different, just using a bigger platform.
Oh my gosh dear Brother David, The Spirit was felt so strong as you played the guitar and sang from the Doctrine and covenants. I entered the scripture so that anyone can see it if they are investigating and don't have the Doctrine and covenants. ❤Brother Bill
thank you so much. You are such an inspiration to me. I too started out listening to Pastor Jeff hoping he would feel the desire to become a True member of His fold and desire baptism. I pray for him that someday he will .
Pastor Jeff is not too old. But he needs to humbly seek truth My husband joined the church when he was 49 yrs old--before we met He received an answer to an earnest prayer. He opened Book of Mormon, praying that the Lord not lead him astray, as he'd searched so long. So, before he read the book he wanted to know if it was real and true scripture😮. His thumb fanned pages and they Book of Mormon opened to 2 Nephi 31:15, his eye focused on, "I heard the Father say, the words of my Beloved are true and faithful." Then it really comes down to, does this restored church have authority from God? Yes! From resurrected Peter, James, John and John the Baptist and directly from Jesus Christ and they Father.
Jeff quite suddenly left a salaried paying pastor job in wherever he came from. No doubt he was assured by someone that he was still going to receive paychecks for doing whatever he was sent to Utah to do. The question is, what exactly is he there in Utah to do. What is his job/mission there??
From what I have observed in watching his videos and clicking over to his Patrion account, he is soliciting to the members knowing full well we are a generous and wealthy people. It is the support of so many gullible church members donating to him in such a big way that I believe has provided him with such a comfortable income that he saw potential if he moved to Utah he would gain a bigger fan base and grow his own congregation and start his own evangelical church there made up of saints who he has deceived. I've watched enough of his videos to see the wolf thru his sheep clothing!
Jeff is expert at bending, molding and twisting plain meaning of scripture into a caricature fit for the popular but apostate world view he unwittingly clings to. Truly impressive though, how adroit he was as at dismantling a subject as clear as baptism, armed with his magic word-salad, distorts the commandment until baptism, in his imagination, serves no real purpose in God's Gospel. He is truly clever at perverting scripture. God has warned us to beware those who mingle scriptures with vain, foolish philosophies. God has made it clear in our day, as He commanded and recorded in D&C sec.22 That Baptism is an essential ordinance. So Says God. Jeff, despite all your illusionary assurances to the contrary, God our Father has, for all time, settled the unbelief on baptism and whether it is required by Him. Research also, with an eye of faith, what Jesus said on the subject of baptism as recorded at 3rd nephi chapter 27 of the book of Mormon. You don't have to remain in captive darkness on the subject of Baptism.
Great job David, I think pastor Jeff got the message! But you David doing great job and ensuring the gospel doctrine has been clarified to those who are still don’t know the difference.
I’m curious how evangelical’s read passages about us becoming partakers in the death of Christ and entering into the new life in Christ, or how Paul explains that the children of Israel crossing the sea was their baptism, and walk away thinking “yeah baptism definitely not necessary for salvation” lol
And there's Hebrews 6:1-2. One of the few places in the Bible where the doctrine of Christ is laid out: faith, repentance, baptism, laying in of hands (for the Holy Ghost). They totally skip over it (and Jesus' words, and Peter's words, and Paul's words). That's natural though, because they know they don't have God's authority. Jesus directly gave the 12 and the 70 authority. The gospels do not indicate that He gave that authority to everyone that believed and followed Him. He had chosen and ordered distinct people that He gave it to. Acts 6, the 12 gave Jesus' authority to the 7 by the laying on of their hands. Acts 8, Simon the ex-sorcerer tried to buy the authority to give the Holy Ghost from Peter - even though Simon believed, was baptized, and followed Jesus, he still didn't have the authority that the apostles had, no matter how much he believed and desired it. Hebrews says that no man can take the honor of God's authority upon himself, but must be called of God, as was Aaron - and receive it in the same way Aaron and the new testament saints did - by the laying on of hands by those God authorized to do so. God's house is a house of order, not confusion, and His power and authority are never casually given to mortals without going through His prescribed instructions which He has shown us.
Oh my ! Thank you so much , Brother Alexander! Jude 3 is such a beautiful explanation why we must defend the truth and the gospel of Jesus Christ . Contend is necessary. Not contention , but to contend with Satan’s plan and his followers. Be doers of the word and not hearers only. Thank you
The problem is that Jeff believes in the inerrancy of the Bible, meaning, the Bible is always correct on anything above everything else, which means that people that believe in the inerrancy of the Bible presupposed to be right before they even know what the counter argument is gvien any attention.. Probably the most vital lesson I learned along my way is, the more wisdom and knowledge a person posesses, the more he will admidt to the fact that he does not know much at all, for he understands that only that kind of humility will prepare his heart and his mind to accept even greater truths, whilst the conviction to have already arrived at that one, final truth of things, would cut him from letting these truths into his life.
In this past general conference. President Nelson said, do not take advice from nonbelievers or something to that effect. Too many people in the church are looking at outside, influences and sources because they are so hungry to be accepted by other religions as Christians I think that we even paid too much attention to, all of the RU-vidrs within our own church rather than study scripture and go to the Lord himself. A lot of people are replacing scripture study with listening to Podcasters and different RU-vid series.
This is so true and some people are led astray by it. It's best to keep our primary study to the standard works of scripture and the words of the prophets. There are a lot of opinions out there.
He talks more about a relationship with Christ and other are secondary, he believes in baptism, but not important to him than relationship with Christ, I think that’s what Jeff believes, that’s why we need it the restoration
I was definitely flattered by Paster Jeff’s videos, being that it was a breath of fresh air from the usual Christian viewpoint. I also began veering away from his videos as the spirit directed me. I am a seminary teacher and we talk a lot about seeking knowledge through divinely appointed sources. He doesn’t make the cut. He is not a prophet. Period. Eventually he will need to pray about the Book of Mormon. If he does with true humility before God, actually seeking to know truth, his life will change.
Part of SOME good LDS members' challenge is their lack of scriptural knowledge. They have nibbled enough to feel the Spirit but have not feasted enough upon the RESTORED Gospel to have a truly firm foundation in order to recognize wolves in sheeps' clothing. IE: Jeff. Almost unaware, some of our members are falling for the silver tongue. Personally, I have found no "added value" in listening to Jeff anymore. Instead, implementing our full cannon of scriptures and General Conference guidance keeps me plenty busy and adds INCREDIBLE value to my life. Thank you "Pastor" David.
Hey there David, how about doing “David reacts” to the “Pastor Jeff reacts” podcast! Maybe showing he either doesn’t understand or misunderstands what he’s talking about (as stated in Book of Mormon or a subject taught by the brethren etc.). I notice LDS podcasters say things like “we believe this”, and evangelicals believe that”. Jeff says he’s giving LDS the correct meaning as though we’re wrong and he’s right. LDS podcasters kindly just state the differences in belief.
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
@@Elizabeth-rk3do thank you for your great comment, you make me think. I believe it was very likely that that man was baptized via proxy baptism. See 1 Corinthians 15:29. We don’t have record of who received proxy baptism, but we know it was done in the early church.
@@AD-ju7ct ... Good point. Who do you think proxied the thief's baptism?? I bet it was the same Fellow who's atoning qualities covered for all those since Adam who never had the opportunity or commandment to be baptized. :>)
My response to David's request to Pastor Jeff: Jeff is not *our* pastor, yet we refer to him by his honorable title because it is something he believes in and desires to be known by. I desire to be known by everyone I encounter as a saint - whether or not Pastor Jeff believes I truly am. David - you are the best! I love your testimony and the unique position you are in to understand the gospel. As a lifelong member I am so grateful for your insights and videos.
It's a cope. He does the mental gymnastics required to believe what he's saying so that he doesn't have to admit that there was an apostasy and that subsequently there was a restoration.
Exactly. In truth he's just a run of the mill apostate half-wit. The problem is that his flattery is more advanced than most and the weak among us is falling for it. So much so that he's made enough money to move to Utah and really dig in. @@bishdizzle67
Wow! You hit the nail on the head. I watched just 1 of Pastor Jeff's videos on "Hello Saints" about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I received witness "he is listening to the voice of Satan" who hates the TRUE Church which has true Prophets and Apostles who are DIVINLY CALLED by Jesus Christ. It's so sad that members have fallen away and left the Savior's Church and Gospel because they have lost the Holy Ghost by NOT keeping their covenants of baptism, the temple, etc. He should NOT call his program Hello Saints because he is NOT a Saint or a Latter-day Saint. 😢😢😢😢😢
There is a lot more to baptism than most realize. It ties our premortal life in with this life. Except a man be born of the water (physical birth which is required according to Gods plan of salvation) and of the spirit (born again to be redeemed of the spirit) he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Knowing the doctrine of the pre-existance gives us a better understanding of what Jesus meant.
Evangelical Christianity try’s to boil down the gospel to the most easily digestible and sellable form they can. Unfortunately the final product might taste good at first but by that point it’s just empty calories that have lost all their nutritional value.
The letters you read from are absolutely right. I am not sure that good at speaking that well however I have will simply say. I feel the Spirit of God from people like you and people who have written these letters and the Spirit from the Apostle's and Prophets but I do not feel the Spirit from Pastor Jeff. I will always choose the Holy Spirit over anything else.
4 And it came to pass that they would not suffer that he should enter into the city; therefore he went and got upon the wall thereof, and stretched forth his hand and cried with a loud voice, and prophesied unto the people whatsoever things the Lord put into his heart. Brother David. While I listened to the start of this video, I was thinking of Samuel the Lamanite who climbed up on top of the wall and, man how he had to have yelled, but he knew what message he was yelling and the urgency with which it needed to be heard. If you haven't seen it, there's an artists rendition in some of the copies of the Book of Mormon, or there used to be, and it depicts this very moment, perhaps overdramatized I don't know, but I imagine it must be like that. But Samuel is on this massive wall and there's all these soldiers with their bows drawn firing arrows at him, they can't hit him, obviously, but there's soldiers trying to rush up steps to get to the top of this wall, but it's a picture not of Samuel preaching to the Lamanites but he's preaching to prideful Nephews that have forgotten their God and they're attempting to kill him but God clearly has a more important message to send them and is sustaining a Lamanite. Within the Church right now are Nephites that have grown up in the Church and have been taught from infancy the truth of the Restoration and many of them have adopted their own ways from the Laminates living that law and allowing their own philosophy and traditions to leak in. When a Lamanite comes among them, or any other of another tribe has come among them and speaks to them, they praise him! What a good man he is! We love him! But he speaks words of flattery to win over their hearts and carry them carefully down to the depths of misery and endless woe. They can be deceived. It started out as flattery to get to know them, but that is sailing away and curiosity is now questions and worldly doctrine placed to cause them to question and that's it's intent, a method of causing curiosity to question him, trust him, and ask what he would have them know. On the other side comes a Lamanite converted to the ways of the Nephites who is standing on a wall preaching to those same Nephites calling them to return home, and they fire arrows at him and want to get to the top of the wall to get to him, but God won't allow the arrows to hit him because the message he shares is too important. Does that Lamanite want to be counted as a Nephite just yet, when so many of the Nephites are caught up in the pride of their hearts warring one with another? It's important to be kind to those around us, but as you said on your wall, arms outstretched, we have to be able to denounce deception. Kindness helps in the conversion, but ignorance doesn't help move the process along, you have to teach them and correct the errors to make sure they're receiving the transmission accurately and not preaching false doctrine and deceiving others either. Members listening to Jeff need to be willing to teach and expound themselves. Anyway, that's what came to mind as your video started today. Nobody speaks Jeff's language around him better than you, that's the REAL GIFT OF TONGUES, and I think he's afraid of you. He fears your knowledge because you know both sides, he won't dialogue with you because he knows he can't win and his plan, his plot, his way of making a living is now at stake, even though it isn't because people will still watch him learn and grow and the Church has endless information about it to be learned and discovered and people to talk with to create content and use his film editing skills for years to come, but he's afraid, he knows if he talks to you it's over, he can't walk away from a conversation with you feeling that he's right and feed his own pride. He prays for an open mind, but then closes it back up. Just as you were pressured with and he pressures his own congregation with and ALL Evangelicals are pressured with fear to not question their own beliefs in fear of letting go and falling into the fire and brimstone and be damned as the Mormons are (they can never really bring themselves to tell you because they want to be nice to get your trust so they can convert you and not seem like the uncharitable Christian, but we as Latter-day Saints are COMMANDED to be BOLD but not overbearing) he knows he's gonna be offered a new rope, his is beginning to split and about to snap and he'll fall because now he's learning and his accountability isn't so innocent. He'll be told in the end "I offered you the truth to set you free, and you rejected and turned it down. You're saved, my son, but not exhaled, you didn't want to receive the fullness of my glory for you were content with the philosophies of the world created and cultivated by the very enemy you wanted to stand against." He doesn't want the rope you can offer him to climb to reach the top. His Evangelical buddies have convinced him the Mormons are ripe and ready to harvest, come with us and help us, and when he was praying and asking God if he should go to Utah, that's what he was thinking of, the words of his Evangelical buddies to convert Mormons and the devil, himself, Lucifer himself Knowing the power of good that could come, walked right next to his ear and whispered into it "Yes, Utah is where you need to go." And that's the voice he listened to and that's his mission and his goal is to SAVE THE MORMONS! His goal has changed. It's not to learn about the Mormons, it's to get the Mormons to be curious and learn from him and buy into his ways. The devil has such a cunning tongue that strikes with a powerful toxin to poison the body and spirit slowly causing a slow and painful death that as it spreads and builds strength throughout the body to overtake it isn't seen at first or noticed but when it kicks in, is fatal. Don't stop doing what you're doing Brother David. You have the authority. I'm curious to see through the remainder of your life what additional keys will be offered to you to move the work forward. There's power within you that hasn't yet been seen or tapped into but as you go through the temple (which I have a channel you should check out as you prepare to go, the guys really smart and informative and I think it gives people a good idea and perspective of what is coming) but as you go through the temple yourself and then as you continue to read and learn from James E. Talmage, Cleon Skoussan, and Bruce R. McConkie and current theologians and Apostles and Prophets, what a force you'll be to be reconned with. Evangelicals lost quite the guy, but they helped in a way guide you to something better from nothing, but who knows. Evangelicalism is crumbling to and what Jeff doesn't realize is Latter-day Saints don't often convert to Evangelicalism, when they've been broken, they leave the faith altogether so Jeff creates an Atheist or a Spiritualist who thinks there's a God of some kind, but no Savior which is counterproductive for him. He doesn't understand that, so he's crushing their faith altogether like a Richard Duetcher. The Trinity makes ZERO sense. Even Christians don't understand it and it frustrates them, but FEAR is what grabs them, fear of leaving and being left behind the clutches of Protestantism and Evangelicalism are so strong, it's a merciless grip, but once they get you, yes the most liberal Christians you can find where anything goes because you prayed the sinners prayer. Interested to see where the Church takes you and what callings you'll receive and how you'll help to find Evangelicals just like you searching for the truth, for authority, and not just content with Salvation, but with Exaltation
Why would those baptized by John the Baptist have to be rebaptized in the name of Jesus Christ before they could receive the gift of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands? Because not only is baptism essential, it has to be the correct baptism by those with proper authority. And if anyone who professes Jesus gets the Holy Ghost, why did some baptized in the name of Jesus Christ have to wait for an Apostle to come and lay their hands on them before they received the Holy Spirit? And why couldn't Steven buy the ability to give people the Holy Ghost by laying hands of them? Because only those given the power and authority from God, as a Priesthood calling, can give the Holy Spirit. No man can claim these powers and authority for themselves or assume receiving them automatically. That is not only not supported by the Bible, it is straight refuted by the Bible.
You are right again David. PJ's Jesus is not ours. We actually believe in the Jesus of the New Testament, he believes in the Nicene Creed Jesus made by man.
Pastor Jeff as already mentioned never sought to know if the church was what it claimed. He has never felt the Holy Ghost because he has never had the gift of it. He has followed the path of others who became rich from a ministry but has never had enough force to sound fire and brimstone. You do realize where his supporting funds have come from, don't you? His manner while polite is not powerful to draw enough donations to steadily grow. He is driven to prove himself. So far he has fallen short. He was inspired by others who have apostated and post continued attacks on the church. Rather than rely on fake members with fake stories which wouldn't gain him his goals, he saw that touching recent inexperienced members who aren't yet strong, and not so perceptive ones who believed his attempt to find the truth and would want to help him convert. His interest isn't so much to draw away members though it was encouraged by the other false pastors, it is their continued funding. As long as he could drag out the possibility of converting he hoped to do well. Unfortunately he isn't as charismatic as he hoped. He isn't good at lying like the rest. This caused problems. You notice the other haters left him alone. Also much sharper members caught on to him. He realized when he approached 3rd Nephi he had a problem. It wasn't working. A person who is attempting a deception feels the toll. He in his attempt has rejected the restored gospel and the Holy Ghost who tested him. You don't tug on Gods robe. He is now accountable and has lost the gift of entering into the Millennium had he just tried a honest ministry. He now needs to repent of things he is unable to. You see people who leave the church rarely join another church. They can't. Also they do not give much money if any to anyone. You will see him soon either just fully turn against the church with his findings claiming it false and join the apostates method, or give a small confession and go a while further. He has already lost and is desperate.
