A Terrifying Fight For Survival (Pulkovo Flight 612) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN 

As someone who’s worked incredibly hard translating Pulkovo 612s CVR, unfortunately you’ve made a few mistakes on the subtitling. Still a good effort nevertheless. For the people interested, I have fully deciphered the CVR (no unintelligible parts) along with the photos of the crew.

@@alexhoe02 can you give me time codes for those mistakes? Or maybe write incorrect lines so I will be able to find them in the video

@@conipilote1634 I’ve uploaded the CVR on my channel. I highly doubt he’ll correct the subtitles unfortunately, most bigger RU-vid’s never correct their mistakes. It’s a shame considering the First Officer really pushed at the captain to decend. (Which this RU-vidr missed out in the subtitling) I don’t like to criticise other RU-vidrs but I’ve done a lot of research on this accident, very graphic considering I know the backstory along with crews relationships with one another. Some of photos of the wreckage are just outright graphic.

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youre doing great man, keep it up. and THANK YOU

They have already passed the point of no return when he said "STAY CALM", that's what the most heart breaking to me.

No kidding. Maybe it's a Russian thing?

"stay fucking calm, you fucks"

@@sammygirl6910 I don't think it's a russian thing... it's a general thing were you might be in denial of the situation. "STAY CALM!" in the most not-calm voice would be an indicator in probably every language that things are FUBAR.

what a clown

23 years old. SMH - What a tragic and unbelievably sad waste. Trying to better himself and do something with his life and this is how he’s rewarded? His family must have been beside themselves with grief. He didn’t even have a chance with this flight crew from hell 😣

To bussy saving the plane.

@@sarahest1 These older planes are low tech, and are as safe as flying in the 1960s. The crew obviously flew for many years prior to this faithful flight.

@@Commentator541 The crash was the captains fault fully.

I wonder if he thought he'd done something wrong

I don't have problems listen to that, for me it's western airlines flight 2605 cvr that is hard to take. Maybe b.c. i can understand what they are talking.

It really was brutal. The next time D.B. warns me, with timestamps, that the CVR is going to be bad, I'm going to listen. 😢

The Fact The Line " Don't Kill Us Don't Kill Us" while the the whole cockpit are completely disarray shows the 3 Co-pilots knew who is the person to blame & totally avoidable if the Captain is not a asshole crew management in this flight is disaster from the get go

Here is a much worse CVR from a DC-10 crash in Mexico city: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d0DtWDNzf3Y.html Let me know which recording is worse, this one or the DC-10 crash in Mexico city. I personally think the DC-10 recording is the most gut wrenching out of all CVR's.

@@EngrPalits It's crazy that when the first officer and the rest of the crew wanted to push the nose down while there was still time to save the aircraft before it entered deep stall the Captain called them "f-ing idiots" and said that they must pull up instead. It was the Captain that was a f-ing idiot, he is responsible for everyone dying.

It's a testament of how fragile and precious life is. God bless you and keep you safe, Sara.

@@badgerden7080 You too~

That line broke my heart Andrei was only 23 years old, and it sank in for him right there that he was going to die A young man taken well before his time by a series of tragic mistakes. I sincerely hope he is resting in peace.

@@ClefairyRox so true ☹️ he just started his life with a new career .. you can tell how scared he was.. may they rest in peace

Unfortunately that line is wrong. Andrew said: “Don’t kill us, please don’t kill us”.

STAY CALM! DON'T PANIC!!!

Yeah, it seems like the worst problem for this crew was the captain. I feel most sorry for the pilot in training (and the helpless passengers, of course). When he said “I don’t want to die” at the end, that just gripped my heart.

it all started because the captain had erroneous and also incomplete information. You can't fault him entirely. I also think he lost some spatial awareness too, which is common in clouds and turbulence.

Poor kid never had a chance with this flight crew from hell.

@@adotintheshark4848 Not completely, no. But a very substantial chunk of it fully was. Dude was a madman.

Truly horrific

He was a young man with most of his whole life ahead of him. Horrible sad loss.

Poor kid!

Thanks for this. I was actually curious about that.

I had to look it up the first time I ever watched it (different channel) so this is definitely helpful to many! Nice work.

Thanks. I listened to the recording on another channel and didn't know what Vanya meant

You're all very welcome! :)

Great information 👍.

Same here. The training pilot was quiet until the very end. Him saying "Don't kill us" just shows how inexperienced he was and that the captain was giving him the commands that put them in that situation. Jeez it's rough to hear.

Poor kid never had a chance with this flight crew from hell.

The crash wasn't good either

I laughed my ass off listening to their screams, lmao

@@LoLMasterManiac seriously?

@@LoLMasterManiac who's a tough boy? who's a tough boy? yes you aaare! here's a cookie for being such a tough boyyyyyy

@@peepa47 really?

I hope the g forces knocked some passengers out... it would have been a small mercy, especially for the children

this really wasn't so bad. There are recordings of a doomed crew screaming as the ground loomed ahead.

@@adotintheshark4848 oh believe me I've heard worse too but that doesnt mean this was any less horrifying. Watching death come straight at you is terrifying for anyone, I'd even be horrified If their was complete silence, accepting ones death is much more scary imo cause you're okay with what's about to unfold knowing there isn't a thing you can do about it.

@@adotintheshark4848 Comair 3272

Also Russian, and I'm surprised I've had (mercifully?) absolutely no memory of this happening, no news coverage, nothing, which I find very strange because there's usually a lot of coverage, not least because such events are, luckily, quite rare.

@@renata8979 I'm Russian three and I had a hard time understanding due to the audio quality (also I think I just don't know some of the airplane jargon), but it was terrifying all the same.

Russian four checking in. Same experiences.

Russian five and word for word Got a flight in a few days and I’m like 🗿

@@PsychoKat90 I agree, actually, if there were no subtitles I would not be able to make out anything. Although, to be honest, I skipped some parts and mostly read the subtitles for the rest without sound because CVRs (same as ambulance/911 calls) are a bit too much for me.

#BigFacts

The First Officer was in jump seat, the trainee was beside the captain

The FO wasn't at the controls, instead it was the trainee with less than 200hrs under his belt. In my amateur opinion, that was also a bad idea given the circumstances. Maybe if it was the far more experienced FO, he'd pushed the yoke to start a descent, gaining speed.

Right, most of the CVR's I've heard were the pilots being of course troubled, but professional and calmer. I have heard others that were more panicked but this one was especially chilling. Knowing all of the context built up around it, makes you really understand more of what they were experiencing. The fact they got more panicked once they knew it was unrecoverable, that just shook me to the core.

He stopped swearing once they got into real trouble.

It’s not named the “Crazy Ivan maneuver” in the Hunt for red October for nothing.

It's kind of interesting, I know someone who does what he did in the audio recording. Mainly he yell "hold still!/hold it!", "don't drop it!" (doing remodel work), and the like when he's the one who's losing his grip or something related. This captain seemed to be losing his marbles before anyone else and he's yelling at everyone else to calm down. Okay.

I think the cause was the severe weather followed by the ground impact, but you do you bro

@@B3Band yeah without ground impact, nothing would have happened. NTSB needs to solve this „ground“ thing.

Exactly

Bureaucracy over life

I appreciate that, Thanks!

@@DisasterBreakdown great work mate

Including mentour?

@@bepowerification that’s what I was gonna say as well. I love this channel a lot and he does amazing work, but mentour is on a different level, being a pilot himself.

just fyi that Chloe, the one making these vids is a girl

>guy Oh boy

@@sfakianos7 nearly a year old

It's the famous Hector Palma Tellez! 🤯

@@JJsOriginals lmao yea

where can i find videos about what you are referencing?

@@billzi7001 not on youtube. for a reason i can assure you. beware that once you find the audio files it may haunt you.

Here is the cockpit voice recording of Western Airlines 2605 a DC-10 that landed on the wrong runway in Mexico city. WARNING it's gut wrenching: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d0DtWDNzf3Y.html

@@milanmocik3591 There is no real CVR recording of the Polish presidents plane crash, all the CVR recordings are recreated. The Polish government never released the real CVR and the reason I know is because I am Polish and i remember the journalists asking for the CVR but the government said no. The government instead had an actor recreate the CVR from a paper transcript. The other crash that you're talking about that landed on the wrong runway was Western Airlines flight 2605 it was a DC-10 that landed on a runway under construction in Mexico city and here is the cockpit voice recording: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d0DtWDNzf3Y.html

Right, he reminds me of Michael Scott in the Office during the office fire. STAY CALM, STAY F***ING CALM!!

@@mikem.3308 lol, yup! 😂

No problem. Thanks for watching!

@@DisasterBreakdown i know this is real late, and im not sure if you answer questions or not, but I'm wondering how you reacted when you listened to the final moments of pulkovo 612.

Once it entered tailspin, it was over. Tu-154 is impossible to recover from tailspin

Captain and F/O exactly knew that they're in flat spin since the beginning, but sadly TU-154 is unrecoverable from spin due to his T-form tail

who doesent swear during distress?? nobody takes it personally, only you soviets take everything personally

@@peepa47 They are so unprofessional. Swearing at everything even during a serious job. Makes them look immature even in their senior years.

@BB49 No, that is an ignorant statement. Relatively speaking we have nothing on the Russians and some Eastern European countries.

Definitely rough to watch and listen to, but put together with such respect and professionalism.

@@davehagen2540 it's the cockpit voice recorder, likely.

Well that's good for you. I've become completly decentized from anything like that. Including gore or the narco video's as you call them. Not something to be proud off tho. But it's still just curiousty. It's just that I can (until now) literally watching anything. But for me it's also somewhat of a reminder of how cruel things can be. Or how cruel people can be.

all russians are like this, being macho and threatening, but when it comes down, they will cry and beg. I wouldnt want to do that. sad thing, most of the people didnt have to lose their lives over a 50year old dead ideology

They have cartoons on other channels. Roadrunner always gets up after he hits the ground.

Yes bad crash . But when people make mistakes they die

@@kirilmihaylov1934 why are you going through half the comments victim blaming? Yeah mistakes were made but you don’t need to be so harsh about people who died

@@Panda-cute agreed.

Yeah, very bad CRM.

I mean, even if the captain took the controls, HE instructed the pilot in training to pull up while they were stalling. It's clear he wasn't trained much in stall recovery. So if he took the controls, he would've done the same thing he told the other pilot to do. Same scenario would've played out

The captain was the problem. His panic induced commands destroyed this flight. The pilot in training and co-pilot knew what to do, to stop climbing and actually descend to gain speed. Because of the captain, he pushed the plane upwards so much in unstable air that it caused the plane to fall into a stall. They still could have pulled out of it if the captain had not continued to insist on climbing, the co pilot should have just descended and ignored the captain's panic. But once they fell into the tail spin, it caused the engines to flame out, making it impossible to restart the engines and regain control. The crash was inevitable at that point.

To be fair, had they immediately corrected the error, they possibly could have avoided the stall. However, the first officer was the pilot flying during the climb and had already put the plane into a dangerously nose high position at extreme elevation and held it there. That was the error that needed to be fixed immediately. Based on the information in this video, they went immediately into a deep stall which is regularly unrecoverable. The turbulence from the wings washes out the horizontal stabilizer (T-tailed planes like this one) and the elevators stop working, so even if they had of started doing everything right once the stall initiated there’s a good chance the plane wouldn’t have responded. The pilot in training had the nose up past 40° at the start of the stall if I heard this video correctly, so not all the blame should lie with the captain. The captain’s orders might have stalled the plane, but the co-pilot’s interpretations of those orders made a bad situation worse, and made sure the stall was unrecoverable. Final note I’d add, while not an argument I normally give credit to, take the flight from Brazil to France where the copilot held the stick back all the way to the water because the PITO tubes froze up and he didn’t know what he was doing. A LOT of people give him A LOT of slack because “he got two simultaneous contradictory warnings, an over speed warning and a stall warning! It wasn’t his fault!” Now again, I don’t give this argument much credit, but pilots are trained *not* to fly into thunder storms because of the danger the turbulence poses to the plane, they are also taught to push the nose down in the event of a stall. So the correct choice, as we know, was to push the nose down and fly into a thunder storm, which means he’d be choosing to do something he’s trained to simultaneously always do and never do. If the pilot who couldn’t interpret the over speed and the under speed warnings going off at the same time deserves complete exoneration, I feel this guy deserves at least a little slack. When the co-pilot let the plane stall with the nose so extremely high, the crash was inevitable at *that* point. If all the engines were running it wouldn’t have been able to push its self out of a deep stall, because it required elevator authority the plane no longer had due to the wake turbulence the elevators were in from the wings. And again, I didn’t scour the original Russian report using the fluent Russian skills that I don’t have, I’m just basing these conclusions of the information that was presented here. If I misunderstood and the plane stalled, it progressed into a deep stall, which then progressed into a deep stall with a flat spin (a stall, a deep stall, and a flat spin being three different phenomena and not the same thing), please correct me. But my understanding from this video is it was a deep stall that progressed into a deep stall with flat spin, which is a very different sequence of events where the amount the pilot in command is inputting on the controls drastically changes their responsibility for the crash. Kind of like if I was the passenger in your car and you drove into a crowd of people, it would probably be hard to blame me legally unless I had reached over and jerked the wheel. Depending on who made the choice or if it was an non-negligent accident to turn into the people would decide who, if anyone, in the car should be condemned for the action. And I’d say in this car, the whole flight crew share some blame. Because “keep climbing” doesn’t mean “point the nose of this plane higher than it should be pointed for any reason at cruise altitude.” The captain gave bad orders, the pilot in training put the plane into a dangerous position following those orders in a way his training should have stopped, and nobody else on the flight deck stood by their objection to the captain’s plan. They spoke up at least, but they didn’t try to explain why they think he might be mistaken.

@@TheOriginalCFA1979 How did he climb so high at 49 degrees? Man, isn;t that like a basic no no? How did he fly like someone who never flown a plane before? Isn't climb angle and descent angle like the most basic of stuff?

Bad flying yes

which accident

ummm it was the pilot who caused this chaos,the trainee and the co pilot supervising him knew what to do but the captain alpha male status and arrogant plus the bad CRM caused them to held their intentions to overcome the stall

You didn't pay attention to the Captain's mistakes, did you? HE caused the crashed, and if he had not provided stupid instructions TO the trainee, it would have been prevented. Tell me, what difference would it make if the Captain decided to take control, whilst also having the same directive, and intentions of keeping the nose up instead of down?

Killed because of Ivan Jackass

yeah, the pilot in trainig was kid too, he just listened to the fucking unprofessional captain

I will be making a video on that at some point though

Thank you!

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I'm not particularly knowledgeable about aviation but I can tell you with complete certainty that the atmospheric pressure at 18000 feet is not 2992 kPa. In fact, 2992 kPa is roughly 30 times atmospheric pressure at sea level (about 100 kPa). You might be thinking of INCHES of mercury, inHg, in which case 29.92 inHg is, roughly equal to atmospheric pressure at sea level (29.92 inHg = 760 mmHg = 101.325 kPa = 1 atm)

You're confusing a lot of stuff and giving wrong info. This is just russians respecting the rules of the independent country Ukraine. The altitude, flightlevels and heights in western Europe, have been measured in feet for decades already. In Ukraine (and Belarus too i believe) at this period they used feet (in hundreds) for the flightlevels; like almost everywhere on the planet. And i think they also used feet for altitudes and heights, but this might have been weird numbers derived from metric heights. Given they were in Ukrainian airspace, they would use flightlevels in feet for this segment. Central Asia and russia used at that time still heights, altitudes and flightlevels measured in meters. So most likely the flightplan was filed with a metric flightlevel, a stepclimb to F360 at the boundary and another level change going back into russia. In their flightplan would probably have looked something like this (but I do not know actual values they used) ... K0830S1070 waypoint airway firboundaryWAYPOINT/K0830F370 airways firboundaryWAYPOINT/K0830S1170 airways till home. S1070 is flightlevel 10700m. A couple years later, i think around 2011, (for sure before 2014 when i lost interest in almost everything russian) this was changed as russia + Central Asia implemented RVSM in feet for the flightlevels. Pressure setting units for altimeters vary to this day around the globe. Most common is hpa (or mbar, but it's the same thing, as 1bar =10^5 Pa). Also used in former USSR, but not common anymore was mmhg (millimeters of mercury). Usually these settings are called QNH, when using reference pressures corrected to sea level, thus measuring altitude above sealevel; less common (but once very common in the east) was QFE, setting local reference pressure, measuring height over the reference point. Hence, at Almaty airport a QNH setting would yield a reading of about 2000ft/600m on the runway, setting the QFE would read 0. In North America offcourse a different system must be used. They use inches of mercury (but call it "altimeter" which imho is a dumb term given it does not specify that it's in fact QNH, not QFE). For reference: Standard pressure, also called QNE: 29.92inHG = 760mmhg = 1013hpa

On the Tu-154 it's plain impossible. Only known case was during test flights, with anti-stall parachute.

Watching the cell phone video of the crash afterwards kinda hurts too. My mind was syncing up the final seconds of that CVR with the beginning of that clip. And once you see that initial fireball, that's when that "click" is heard. It's a very hard recording to listen to.