A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture (Response) 

I was an absolute tomboy as a kid, never had any interest in girly things. If I’d gone to a church like that, it would have really messed me up. But I suspect it would’ve also really messed me up if the whole trans-issue had been around then, as I would’ve almost certainly questioned whether or not I was actually supposed to be a boy. Once I got a bit older, I understood that I was definitely female but just with a lot of boy interests. As a result, I find this whole concept of letting children think that they can be whatever gender they like, is incredibly dangerous. But I do understand that there are many people that feel on a much more deep and fundamental level that they are the wrong gender. My experience isn’t compatible with that. I would agree that we have to accept and love people where they’re at but also not compromise on biblical understanding.

I used to live homosexual lifestyle… and be gender confused….. now that I’m in Christ I could never if I truly am loving someone speak to a lie and false identity… I don’t believe Jesus would use pronouns, I believe he would speak to who he created them to be….

Such a thoughtful conversation around a tough topic. Thanks to both of you for taking it head on.

Why does Scott kept calling Shannon "he"? Isn't Shannon a biological woman?

Thank you for this conversation. You always model so well how to think issues thoroughly. ❤

You both are great! I always learn so much!

Wow. Never have two Christian teaches worked so hard to not be offensive. Where's John the Baptist when we need him?

This comes off as way too coddling to someone in leadership. We aren't justified to lead people astray just because we are confused and society praises our confusion.

Great conversation. Thank you 🙏

Thanks for covering this subject,and for posting the video. It was Ann eye opener.

Great discussion on a highly sensitive subject. Thank you for sharing.

I will never insult God as to call His creation anything other than what they were created as. Nor would I disrespect Him by bowing to the world which in turn is by default me saying that He was the one that was wrong.

What a great conversation

Brilliant dialogue. Thank you!

Hey Dr. McDowell, I’m so appreciative of your work, you are one of the 4-5 Christian apologists that got me into apologetics and eventually into full time ministry a decade ago; this is off topic but I would like to read the ancient myths that people claim the Christians copied, like Horus, Osiris, etc. Is there an easy way to do this?

Such an important work you do, Sean!! Thank you for all the great material and discussion provided by this channel. I can relate to all moving testimonies, we live and work with men and women who struggle with LGBT-issues, mostly based on several serious biographical experiences and very deep wounds in their core identity. There is so much hidden under the surface of sexual pleasures and narratives, we should learn to deal with the hidden issues in counselling and pastoral care. There is so much to learn for all of us, also about the ambivalencies of the human mind and soul/psyche. It horrifes me how naively evangelical Christians recently adopted ideological frameworks for their own theology and exegesis, just because they believe it to be "scientifical". No it is not, on the contrary: science and analysis/exegesis becomes more and more politicalised by ideologically focused activists. It is very unwise for Christians to take those claims simply for granted. In long term, it will HARM those who struggle with insecure sexual identity and impulses. Affirmation of the person - as person, as creature and child of God - is important, but not all affirmations of what a person believes ir thinks about themselves will lead a man or a woman into personal growth and maturation. I read the biblical stories as an encouragement NOT to stay with what you believe about yourself but to move into a new understanding of yourself. God himself is always provoking his creatures to leave behind their own concepts of their lives and to be open for God's perspective. It is also not by accident that the monotheistic concept of God, the world and man differs in sa many regards from all cultures's concepts surrounding Israel, and THEREFORE very clearly discerns between all, diverse, pansexual and queer heathen concepts of man, sex and gender and the one that is linked narrowly to the beleif in ONE creator God who is Spirit and in whose image man as body-soul-spirit unity is created.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33 📖

15 mins in and there's been a whole lot of nothing being said. There's a lot being said but nothing's progressing the conversation forward.

I don't always agree with Sean Mcdowell, but I respect his spirit, intellectual curiosity, and integrity.

I don't agree with all your assertions and there were others you've possibly not considered, but this is one of the fairest, most thoughtful discussions I've seen regarding this issue and touches many difficult key points. Thank you for tackling this topic, its a difficult one for both sides. The Talmud discusses this topic at length just fyi, if you'd like an in depth thought process of how people from Jesus' time viewed gender and social roles. Sefaria has an article called 6 Sexes and Gender Expression, for reference..

thank you

Will Jesus use your preferred pronouns?

Thank you

Thank you for covering this topic. I understand your opinions, some I agree with, some I differ. I do believe that God loves us all, and calls us to love one another, and that can be difficult at times, especially those whom we don’t agree with. I don’t believe Shannon or any transgender person is truly the opposite sex from the sex they were born with, and therefore I don’t think we should address them as such. I believe that you should treat everyone with love and compassion, just as Christ did, but not perpetuate the lie that they can change their gender. I also am appalled by the vulgarity that this gender ideology is pushing on children and young adults. It is not healthy to allow children to make a life-altering decision to “transition”and mutilate their body, where they are permanently scarred both physically and psychologically. We have to do better to protect our kids, and as Christian’s, we have to stand up and speak the truth in love.

With pronouns, and you're having a conversation with one person (or about one person) I might be able to take the 'meeting where they're at' approach , but as soon as other family members, friends and colleagues are part of the group you're talking to or about it can become an extremely confusing conversation!

Doesn't the bible say that Christians are only supposed to judge the people that claim to be Christians? And that God will take care of the world? So if those two statements are true shouldn't we as Christians talk to them in love and stop trying to interfere with their lives but coax them like the light and spread the gospel instead of the hate and fear mongering that a lot of Evangelical Christians do to these people

Thank you, Sean and Scott! I appreciate how all of your conversations are very thoughtful and respectful and grounded in a high view of Scripture. I could listen to you two all day!

In Shannon’s book we’re reading one side of the story. I’d like to hear from her family members before judging them or her church too harshly. In working with people I’ve found there are always 2 sides. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

I always find these conversations fascinating because it takes me back to my youth struggling with my gender and sexuality. It ultimately lead me to leaving the church because the scriptures ran contrary to my conscience but how Christians think is interesting to me

1But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come: 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

Tell me you’re woke without telling me your woke--calling people who agree with the Bible’s definition of sex and gender as “biased.”

RU-vids 1st commandment : thou shalt not misgender ....

Truth is love.

The trick is to love without compromise. Love the sinner but we are all sinners and need to live for Jesus first. If we are not heading in a direction toward God but still our own “god”, then we need to humble ourselves and obey the One that loves His Creation. We need to be in the world but not of the world.

This guy keeps calling the woman a he….

I was stewarding at the Greenbelt festival near Kettering in England. (It used to be called a Christian festival, but now is even more "diversity friendly" perhaps) I'm glad however it still has a communal communion service. They have some very good Christian speakers, but also allowed Richard Dawkins to express his evolutionary inclusive views from the main stage. I decided, not so much to protest, but to politely and silently stand to the side and hold up a placard saying "Test every thing" which the audience could easily see for the 10 minutes I held it up. The talk organiser asked me to not hold it up, after I had been there for about 5 minutes (which I refused to) , siting freedom of speech as a defense. Ironically I had to go on duty 4 minutes later, so my slight distraction was over. I thought your discussion was very positive, caring and wise, allowing your "Richard Dawkins" to speak but asking your audience to kindly question her>his assertions and opinions. 🙂

I enjoyed this discussion. I think it would’ve liked just a little bit more about how the author biblically justifies their position.

Then how do I get rid of the monthly curse forever I rater die then get that

I have a request. Could you do a program that is intended to give real tools using biblical guidelines for Christian parents with transgender children. Or could you suggest a resource. Not just defining the issues, but exploring real practical answers to moral dilemmas. For example, if a child who is 18 and now a legal adult wants to pursue transition through hormones and surgery, even though it is the adult child's decision, is it wrong to let them live at home or use your car to get hormone injections? Is it wrong to let your insurance cover it? Is it wrong to pay for their college education when you know they are going to a college where they can get hormone injections? One may say, well just tell them they can't or that they can only go to a Christian school. It's not that easy. If your child has rejected Christ and if they know you are against these things, but they still want a relationship with you and you still want to support them in their endeavor to receive an education. Are you held accountable for their decisions in what they choose to do with the benefits you work hard to give them? Where is the line drawn. I want to please God and not people. But does pleasing God mean that I cut off financial and educational support to my kid? Or does it mean paying for healthy things even if I have the full knowledge that that kid will use the benefits towards something I am opposed to? I want to do the God pleasing thing. Also what if you are not on the same page as your spouse? What if spouse wants you to compromise what you sense the Lord is calling you to. Do you comply for the sake of the marriage? Or do you separate and tear the family apart. Also, any resources such as books or articles in the matter would be much appreciated. This is the road I am traveling.

Reaching out to all humans is important and we shouldn't let rigid thinking get in the way of that. Churches should be reaching out, not rejecting people. It is the strong reaction against what we don't understand that creates a gap. People get confused on this subject but proper guidance & patience is still needed.

If someone has lived as the opposite gender for years, paid thousands of dollars to change, been forced to see therapists, lived in fear, and been humiliated by society at large and you refuse to show a small amout of respect for who they fought to be.....you are absolutely making it more difficult to witness to them. If they disrespect you right off the bat and speak to you any way they please, the conversation won't go far. You are called to speak with patience and kindness. The pronouns carry a sense of self. If you start the conversation with condemnation, you've already built a wall.

Generally that is not the case, most societies have the same standard of masculinity. Men hunt and women gather.

We are all sinners but we can’t accept our sin. We have to turn away from it. I feel that if someone who had those same sex attractions and chose to turn away from those feelings they would be a hero. It’s not easy but all Christians battle with it. Even with same sex attractions we shouldn’t be sleeping or lusting after people out of marriage. It is very hard but that is what we are called to do.

What has me so upset with this whole sex changing fiasco is finding a way to explain it to a child. This is something we shouldn't have to be doing with our children. The affect of their choice has affected our family in many ways.

What do you mean that we should read the scriptures from someone of a different culture? Do you mean hear an interpretation from those of a different culture? Otherwise it doesn't matter who reads scripture...that doesn't change the meaning.

JESUS' SAID IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP THE 10 COMANDMENTS

Sean McDowell is nothing if not a class act, lol. A preacher for our times. Intellect and compassion are a great combination. A great American voice for our troubled times. Is this guy an angel? Lol. Deep topic here. Nice to hear a thoughtful, sincere, empathetic, Christian like Sean tackle these sensitive matters. God bless you Sean McDowell, I think you have huge heart. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone, lol. I have dark beginnings as well as a colorful past. Some times God wants those of us from dark oppression to be a part of His kingdom. God's mercy is profound. My guilt and shame nearly killed me. I had both addiction and promiscuity, classic symptoms of adult survivors. God finally got it through my thick skull that He wants me here for a reason. I feel less like an outsider looking in, for the first time in my life. God can go anywhere and nothing escapes His notice. Ruth was an outsider from a wicked nation and is forever our hero in the very blood line of Christ. Like Rahab she says of God, He doess what He wants for His purposes weather we understand or not. The cross trumps all. The most wicked act in history is the most beautiful act in history all at once in the cross of Jesus. Only God could do that. Profound. There is nothing God can't do. And clearly the cross says there is nothing God won't do to save every last man and woman on the planet. Even guys like me. Much love.

The idea that gender bending is a new phenomenon is positively ludicrous.

Regarding preferred pronouns, do you think Jesus would ever say something that is untrue?

The general ethos here seems to be how can WE get as many people saved as possible. When we know that GOD does the saving we are less likely make all kinds of exceptions for a convert’s repentance. But Abraham bargained with God too.

Sean- 100% right approach to understand and listen to others who identify as transgender before casting judgement on them.

If someone disrespected my preferred pronouns, I would walk away from them immediately and permanently. I could similarly refer to them by the wrong pronoun, but that would be emotionally immature on my part. After one warning and they continue to disrespect...see ya.

this poor guy over here is trying so hard to not say he or she and keeps saying Shannon. What a messed up world we live in. Why not just say "it".

Male is make female is female and that cannot be changed! The expression of personality traits, interest and mannerisms we associate with gender have different gender based means. There is great overlap and that is absolutely OK. Being at the tail end of the overlap does NOT indicate a body mind misalignment. As fathers we have a responsibility to teach boy how to become and behave like respectful young men. Including how to appropriately interact with women. When you tag them non-binary and let them decide you are dooming them to becoming deviant, maladjusted, and at risk to being taught by tik tok, reddit, and groomers online. It is that simple.

Your host has blessed you with wisdom and profound insights on the subject of discussion. I hope you heed them. Remember that Jesus reached out to the marginalized to change and to save them but not be himself morphed by them.

My neighbors happen to be trans. I am a 60 year old Christian woman and they are 19 year old females. I will NEVER use their preferred pronouns. We exchange letters,gifts and food with each other and I refer to them as girls. They know where I stand and they have not shut me off because I don't use their preferred pronouns. I think God expects us to be truthful and leave their response up to Him. Compromising is a wrong means to an end. That's why churches are woke and seeker friendly and inclusive. They think they have to be to have any chance of reaching people for Christ. My Trans neighbors and I disagree totally on LGBT issues and Christians. I've seen their Facebook pages! But they've always shown me respect outwardly and I respect them. I put Noah's rainbow on my door during pride month while they go to their marches. Do not compromise or think you need to 'help' God out because you think the truth is too offensive. My neighbors told me they are going to college in August and that they will miss me when they leave. I'll miss them too.

It's all about how does one identify. My identity isn't in my job, biology, sexuality, or anything else. My identity is in Christ. The kingdom is for those who have the mark of YHWH.

On using other's preferred pronouns, I think I come down to this; I would tell a person where I'm coming from on not using them, how I view using them to be against my deepest-held convictions about the world and God and who I am and who God wants me to be (a person with the belt of TRUTH strapped around my waist at all times). I would tell them that I desire a relationship with them, and I do not hinge that desire on who they are, how they refer to themselves, how much or how little we agree about, or anything else. I am willing to engage with them honestly and with respect and not demand they change anything about themselves in order to have that relationship. I would then ask them if they would extend me the same courtesy, of having a relationship with me without demanding that I change, ignore, or compromise who I am and my deeply held beliefs. If they refuse, frankly to me that proves that they are unchanged in their heart. As Frank Turek says, they are not on a truth quest, they are on a happiness quest. They are not willing to have a relationship with me, they are only willing to have a relationship with a caricature of me that makes them comfortable and is a part of their echo chamber. My whole worldview as a Christian is to "speak the truth in love" and they are asking me to forgo the truth part. I cannot do that. I do not believe Jesus, Paul, Peter, John etc. would have done that, either. I think we can think too much of ourselves sometimes; "if I don't capitulate, I can't be in their lives, and if I can't be in their lives, I can't win them to Jesus!" No. God is in control, every moment, thought, movement, roll of the dice, atom in the universe. Speak the truth in love. If the other person's heart is hardened, pray for them and leave it to God's will. The Spirit can break the heart of stone when God's timing is right. Maybe you steadfastly standing for both truth and love will be a seed planted that will later bear fruit.

As a Christian, I have used preferred pronouns and attended gay weddings to maintain a relationship with nonbelievers. What happens if you share Jesus with someone and they want to accept Jesus but then they don’t want to change the way they live. Should we be upfront and honest with people whenever we’re sharing Jesus that their lifestyle, maybe incongruent with Christianity?

Let me just add that my comment earlier was specific to a confused Christian. I am in no way implying disrespect for a trans-identifying person. I know only two nonbinary persons and they have not identified as Christians. I treat them with respect. Within Christianity, we must be biblical while doing our best to be loving. Jesus was full of truth and grace. Unfortunately, humans will most likely err either in too much grace or too much truth. God bless those who struggle but I cannot confirm biblical error knowingly.

I would never use incorrect pronouns period.

Thank you so very much😊!!

I worry that using the pronouns and playing the game in the name of "respect" is much like accepting people and bringing them to Christ is a dangerous route to take. I think that it is likely to lead to a similar situation as to what the church is dealing with in the area of gay/lesbians (or anyone who is living a sinful lifestyle). We cannot play into their games and hope to win people to Christ anymore than we should have church services that appeal to the unsaved at the jeopardy of the souls of the regular members. We need to call out sin and lies. To give into the pronouns just gives into the lie, into the delusion, and into a mental health issue. It is more loving to be honest. And if pronouns are an issue, just use their name. I personally have less of an issue of someone wanting to be called a different name than I do with changing pronouns. There is just too much weirdness that is going on due to people just trying to be loving and accepting. We cannot ally ourselves with people who refuse to abandon their sinful nature and turn to Jesus. We cannot hate them. We need to love them, pray for them, and be kind to them. But we cannot be allies. Everytime the Kingdom of Judah tried to ally with the Kingdom of Israel, destruction occurred to Judah because they were pulled from following God. Jesus accepted people, BUT despite what has been preached recently, Jesus did not want them to stay the sinners that they were. They were to change their bad practices, give their own desires up, and then follow him. Never perfectly. Perfection will not come until Heaven. But we have to turn away from the sin. We cannot affirm. Cannot.

This is wonderful…yes, demanding conformity to cultural gender stereotypes is legalism. In the same way a legalist thinks that works make one holy, they also think that wearing blue makes one a man. When in truth, holiness is already within the believer as defined/justified by God just as manhood (womanhood) is already within the man (woman) as defined by their Creator.

As I'm reading through these comments I'm very much disheartened by the Christians actually. It is our job as Christians to love our neighbors. There is no way we could ever lead anybody to Christ by passing hardcore judgment on people and telling them everything that they're doing is wrong. Yes, homosexuality is wrong The Bible says it. But instead of condemning people we need to love them. To bring people to Christ, we need to show them the love of Christ. And let the Holy Spirit do the convicting not us trying to do the convincing. We must love the people and pray for them. And what I have read and talked with people about in regards to their gender is that a lot of people have gender dysphoria. And the reason for the gender dysphoria is because they've had very bad things happen to them as a child and/or have had their loved ones such as a parent or whomever raised them basically condemn/ridicule that person because they don't fit into the gender norm. And because of this they don't know what they're supposed to be. And I don't see Sean cuddling people during this discussion what I see is his compassion and his love toward people. And what people tend to forget is that Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7 Don't judge people and point out your fellow humans flaw because while you're doing that you're ignoring the stick poking out of your own eye. And I also read in the comments that someone had pointed out the book of Romans on how to judge people but, the book of Romans was written to the Christians not to the sinners.

I don't think the verse in Deuteronomy is relevant. Christians don't follow the Torah, Christ fulfilled the law. I'd also like to add that I find it strange that there's this presumption that transgenderism gets rid of the binary of gender and sex. You transition from one gender to the other. There's still only two, man and woman. I don't understand how transitioning is against the binary set up in Genesis. To me, that's reading a presumption into the text. I feel there's a reason the Bible is silent on transgender but outspoken about homosexuality.

To love the aloes our God and to love others perfectly means telling the truth. We MUST not use personal pronouns against the biological gender. De-transitioners have done back to the relationships they had with parents who never waivered on calling them who they really are.

I don't think we should be indulging this kind of sin. You can see how the enemy is laughing at the way he is manipulating everyone with this sinful tactic of getting us all concerned about using pronouns. It's pathetic. Did Isaiah indulge his audience? Did Jeremiah? NO! They said, repent! Sean, would you have talked with the Canaanites about their feelings on idolatry? Some of this is so ridiculous. And it's a slippery slope. If we concede to the pronoun dysfunction, what do we concede to next? Additionally, the suicide threat is another manipulative tactic. Sadly, I was in a relationship with someone who claimed if I left him or did this or that, he would take his life. Eventually, I left him, and now it's 27 years later, and he's still living. He used that tactic to control.

every religion every belief system is a compiled context of stories that came from previous religions and belief systems. Christianity predated by Judaism, Judaism by Norse, Greek, etc. predated on and on till you get to animism. the world's oldest known belief system the belief that everything had a spirit. from there going forward we started with everything had a spirit, from everything having a spirit the spirits became gods and demi gods,( it's my thought only here that having so many gods and demi gods was to confusing to people to keep up with who's the god of what) the next evolving stage went from polytheism to monotheism the belief in only one true god so it was easier for people to follow both educated and uneducated alike so there was more common grounds for all to be equal. Just like everything else in life though you get some that take it the way it should be followed and that for peace love and prosperity, and you have others that try to find things in it that's not there and is used for fear, hate and a tool to run over people.

As far as pronouns go, I will use whatever naturally comes out. Some trans people present so well as the other gender that it takes intention to use their born pronouns. Pronouns are to make language flow and give our brain a bit of a break. Using they/them or neopronouns, if it’s someone I am in relationship, I will try my best to use them, but I will inform them that they do not come naturally and so I am likely to slip up often, but I will try out of respect for them.

I’m sure you have a video on this already but…. Should Christian’s use pronouns that go alone with a person’s transition or who they were created as..??

Ohhhhhh ask someone - anyone - in sub-Saharan Africa how they feel about "gender expression." Do it. I **want** you to do it.

Dr S has gone down in my estimation..

In the back of my head I want to detransition for God but I'm scared of the monthly curse I don't want it I hate it I dispise it it's disgusting it's scary it's useless

Would you consider lovingly stating that while we see a person as their biological sex as the truth, but will call them by their preferred pronoun to maintain a gracious relationship. ? Is that valid ?

Oh my goodness talk about fuzzy wuzzy faith. They both sound like the almost affirm it. Understand compassion but this is so syrupy you could eat it with a spoon 😮

Have you invited Shannon to come on your show? Better to hear his conversation rather than two apologists who think transgenderism is an aberrant existence.

The compassion evident is good - but the squishy coddling is not. A firm Christian perspective is needed. The hosts jere are afraid of being cancelled or demonetized

Scott: There is so much confusion on this issue we have to be very careful in how we discuss it in Christian thinking. It is late at night when I'm listening to your podcast. But I think I understand that Shannon is a biological female. If that is correct, why do you use he/him pronouns? I would not choose to do that even in Shannon's presence at her request. Affirming gender confusion is denying biblical creation, is it not? Can't we love Shannon without affirming her confusion? I may need to come back to listen further. But, now, I'm too tired to try to keep up. Good night.

I appreciate the respectful discussion but I strongly disagree with Scott's position on pro-noun usage. I understand the desire to want to maintain relationships for the sake of sharing the gospel, but I believe this position is naive and foolish, even if held with good intentions. I would recommend searching "Rosaria Butterfield Why I No Longer Use Transgender Pronouns" for a thorough explanation of why she repents for using preferred pronouns and publicly advocating (like Scott) that others do the same. She writes, "Does any real Christian believe crafting a relationship on falsehood will give the gospel a better hearing? And is that how people are converted? By meeting God on sin’s terms and hearing nice things about themselves?" Scott clearly believes that transgender ideology is false and harmful to both people and society. So at which point is he going to tell a person that? When you use a preferred pronoun it goes beyond mere politeness. You are affirming their delusion about themselves, one that is spiritual harmful in denying the design of their Creator and could be physically harmful depending on the ways they pursue physical transition. It is also harmful to the people around them. Are you going to use preferred pronouns with the father who is now pretending to be a woman and abdicating his responsibility to his wife and children? I also do not think Scott would be consistent in this position about trying to maintain a relationship for the sake of the gospel. If a gay person asks him about his thoughts on gay marriage, is he going to lie to try to maintain the relationship. Fortunately, this question doesn't come up in every interaction you have with a gay friend, but if you choose to use preferred pronouns you are choosing to lie to a "friend" every time you interact with them. Jesus promises that people will end their relationships with us when we stand for Biblical truth. I actually think we should not use preferred pronouns for the sake of the gospel. First, there are many stories of people who have come out of transgenderism and the people/churches that they trusted were the ones who did not use preferred pronouns because they had the courage and conviction to not just tell them what they wanted to hear. If I was struggling with gender dysphoria and confusion and came out of it, I would not trust Scott. Why should I trust that he has my best interest at heart when he shares the gospel if he wasn't willing to tell me that my belief in the proposition that I could become the opposite gender was harmful to me? Also, the rest of the world is watching. I firmly believe that there are many non-believers who are not comfortable with the rapid ascent of gender ideology and will take notice if Christians are the ones who are willing to courageous stand for truth and refuse to live by the lies of preferred pronouns. Scott, don't you think our choice to not use preferred pronouns might make them more open to what we have to share about truth, our worldview, and the gospel? Furthermore, this is not just happening in the vacuum of personal relationships. I am a teacher and I can attest that elementary aged children are being forced to give their pronouns and recognize preferred pronouns. This is causing confusion that will lead to great harm. Scott cannot divorce the use of preferred pronouns in personal relationships from this crazy cultural trends. Using preferred pronouns affirms the central premise of transgender ideology: that transgender men are truly men and transgender women are truly women. This is leading biological men to be put in women's prisons, biological men being given access to women's locker rooms, and children being led into sterility and body mutilation in rapidly increasing rates. Sorry Scott, you can't divorce your use of pronouns in personal contexts from what is happening in the rest of society. Language is being use intentionally to change long-held beliefs and norms and to make acceptable what would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. Finally, transgenderism is a false God. Using preferred pronouns takes away the glory of the Creator and gives it to the autonomous self. That is idolatry. Christians cannot engage this. I'd also like to point out that Scott used "he" to refer to Shannon throughout the conversation. Since I don't think Scott has a personal relationship with Shannon, I am not sure the reasoning here. Sean was able to avoid pronoun use Shannon's first and last name throughout the conversation without any problem. We can do the same thing in our interactions with transgender people. If we are having a conversation with them we refer to them as "you." If we are in a group, we use their name to refer to them. I believe that Scott is causing confusion on this issue. Scott, if you do read this comment, I hope that you will consider these concerns.

Sean is the type of Christian apologist I want to be

This was painful to watch and disappointing. I would describe it as “theological” Cirque du Soleil and for what purpose? So, let’s “think Biblically.” Everybody has a “story” to tell these days and most are writing books about their stories-their stories about (fill in the blank). The paralytic at the pool had a story, didn’t he. Yet it was a simple question asked of him, “Do you want to be healed?” Instead, he defaulted to the telling of "his story.” And what did Jesus do? The woman at the well had a story that Jesus completed without equivocation. And what happened there? The stories coming out of the LGBTQai+ ideological worldview and other places are being used as a cudgel to cause the good people of faith, imperfect as we are, to throw the Church off balance, create chaos and worse the abandonment of telling God’s story. It comes in many forms, the earliest being, “Did God really say…?” And there the slide begins. In my early days of my Christian faith, we used to tell stories about how we were saved, how Jesus rescued us from ourselves, the repentance that came as we saw the harm we were causing in our downward spiral into the pit of ooze and slime and old decay. For the most part, the Church doesn’t make time for those stories anymore and I must ask why. I’m not impugning your faith or devotion to our Lord and Savior. God has blessed you and us by your ministry. But we must be careful in what story we are advancing and the hand-wringing that accompanies it. Yes, Jesus was a friend to sinners, thank God for that, but by virtual of the fact of being in Jesus’ presence, we sinners, are being transformed into his likeness. Where the old has passed away and all things have become new. Now that is a story worth the telling. Praise be to God!

Shannon is a she 😢

Why no transgender in first century?

It's not biblical to use their pronouns and pander to them. You can better love them by not indulging them in their delusion. Speak truth in love, don't adapt to the lie they are telling themselves.

You guys ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah? HE didn't rain down cupcakes and gum drops it's clear what's thought of unrepentant sexual immorality. There's a way and that's repentance and turning away from sin

I wouldn't say they were "infirtile" there are many men that are sterile or unfertrile that have high sex drives. I would say more or less they were impotent or possibly hypogonadal and had no testosterone.

I like dusty pink (not 4 my TShirts), I guarantee u I’m an Alpha male😂

Using a wrong pronoun is affirmation for THEM.

The person, although being brought up in the Christian religion, was never born again of the Spirit of God. There is no evidence that she has been born again since. So, she still has a form of godliness but is denying the actual power of it. The upshot is that she is not a new creature in Christ, but retains a form of the Christian religion without knowing God Himself.

Using a persons preferred pronouns for the purpose of being able to converse...they know you don't believe a person can change their sex. So, it's like you're not being honest in the way you relate to them to "save them from hell." That's worse than not using their preferred pronouns...in my humble opinion.

Just call sin what it is....yes, we all have sin and the Bible tells us if we deny that we are lying. Transgenderism and homosexuality and pedophilia and all of that is clearly SIN. Yes, we should love the person and hate the sin...I get that. But it seems like I'm hearing the tiny Tim song playing in the background "tip toe through the tulips with me", as you guys are tip toeing through this conversation.....can't take it seriously when there is no black and white...no lines, no boundaries....👋

God dosn't make mistakes there is male and female. Take every thought captive and MAKE IT OBEDIENT to the Word of God. God says he new you before He knitted you in your mother's womb. Everything else is a lie from the devil. If I say I am a car it doesn't mean I'm a car. If I really believe it and other people agree with me, it still doesn't make me a car. If I cut my arms and legs off and get wheels put on, it still doesn't make me a car. All it means is I have a mental health issues, and that always goes back to demonic influences working in my life. Sin is sin the only answer to sin is Jesus.

Shannon is not a “he”

Love is not always going to feel good.. not to the person required to give it nor for the recipient.

#1-transgender is not culture like the difference between the culture of one country and another or another people’s group … #2- Wish Sean had corrected the pronouns used by the other guy😢

I don’t agree with the use of preferred pronouns. God is a God of truth and those who follow Him should reflect that. Also, we have no problem disagreeing with someone who has anorexia nervosa when they believe they are fat. Why can we not speak the truth in love with this issue? It is a similar split between the mind and reality. They need truth spoken in a loving way.

I don’t know what world you guys are living in but currently in the mainstream western world the differences between the sexes on a cultural level are as close to non existent as has ever been. If that’s all there was to this Shannons situation once she became an adult there would have been no reason to be concerned male/female stereotypes. There has to be more to it for her.

Don’t you think God would be much more clear about this stuff and do it in a way that doesn’t require these cross cultural analysis and less than exact instructions and information? It’s almost as if the Bible is just a book written by ancient people who were trying to understand the world just like us today.

First Corinthians chapter 6 talks about sexual immorality and why is not allowed in the church it is metaphysical homosexuality transgender ism or marriage outside of Christ can never be in Christ that is like saying that the church would allow demons to live within the body of Christ that isIs like saying let’s tie up our Lord and have demons in defile creatures molest him that happened once for our salvation it will never happen again