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AAD, DDD - Digital snobbery in the 1980s 

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The Compact Disc appeared in 1982, and at a time when anything “digital” was the future, was marketed as the ultimate in sound quality. So, to help sell “pure digital” CDs, the Society of Professional Audio Recording Services, or SPARS for short, came up with a lettering system to show how “analogue” or “digital” were a CD’s contents.
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@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Erratum: Some streaming services have greater than CD quality, such as Tidal or Apple Music.
@chainswordcs
@chainswordcs Год назад
But also, for perfectionists like me, audio streaming services use Lossy Compression formats like MP3, M4A, OPUS, etc. Don't get me wrong, when done decently it's difficult or practically impossible to distinguish between that and Lossless digital audio (like FLAC, from a CD) but it still drives me a little nuts on just the principle. Like that's one of the reasons I avoid Bluetooth audio too.
@DrLoverLover
@DrLoverLover Год назад
@@chainswordcs perfectionist...
@unicodefox
@unicodefox 9 месяцев назад
@@chainswordcs Given he was talking about Tidal and Apple Music, who both have greater than CD quality lossless audio, I don't see how that's relevant. For example, Apple Music can do up-to 192,000 samples per second at 24 bits per sample (raw data rate 1,152kb/s at 2ch), which is over 6.5x more data than the CD's 44.1khz/16bit 176.4kb/s. Not that it's humanly possible to hear anything above CD quality anyways...
@cjay2
@cjay2 7 месяцев назад
The reason no one in their right mind will tolerate most digital recordings is simply the corporation's destruction of the dynamic range of the recordings, starting around 1995 and continuing through the present. People seek vinyl because the original dynamic range preserves the excitement and feeling of the music, and they will tolerate the pops and clicks, which, if you have time, can be removed.
@judenihal
@judenihal 7 месяцев назад
I can't trust lossless audio via streaming period we need to know where the sound is coming from they can easily stream out a bogus quality version of the song for the sake of saving bandwidth
@_B.M_
@_B.M_ Год назад
I was one of those geeky teens who looked for DDD on CDs. Good times.
@philippkemptner4604
@philippkemptner4604 Год назад
Me too, we didn't know better
@cjmq1970
@cjmq1970 Год назад
Actually, for me the AAD label meant a precious CD I must buy. I noticed in during the first decade of this century that those CDs were sold or traded in sites like ebay to a much higher price, especially the likes of The Beatles catalog from 1987.
@michaelturner4457
@michaelturner4457 4 месяца назад
Of course any of the recent remixed Beatles releases I'm sure thay'd be ADD.
@give_me_my_nick_back
@give_me_my_nick_back Год назад
Oh wow that's unexpected but welcome, you broke the techmoan's monopoly of being the only Britton talking about media quirks no one ever heard about :D
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Fight the power! 😂
@freeman10000
@freeman10000 Год назад
I remember back in the day looking for those oh-so precious DDD 🤣
@IntyMichael
@IntyMichael Год назад
Next week Techmoan is starting with car reviews. ;)
@ditroia2777
@ditroia2777 Год назад
@@IntyMichael he did review his smart car.
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel Год назад
@@freeman10000 oh how foolish and kool-aid drinking we were. :D
@maxdamiann
@maxdamiann Год назад
The vast majority of my CDs are in AAD format. I go out of my way to find them. I'm thoroughly convinced they sound better...
@thanosb.5403
@thanosb.5403 Год назад
Not owning CDs anymore? Nooooo! I never understood why people could get rid of media that contained music!!!! Started my cassette collection in '89, my vinyl one in '90 and my CD collection in '93. Still own every single one of them, some 35 years later!!! Yes, AAD CDs do sound better than DDD ones because they also do not suffer from the loudness levels that later CDs did. And yes, everyone now knows that even cassettes can sound a hell of a lot awesome when recorded on proper equipment and being well cared of. Long Live Analogue!!!
@alliejr
@alliejr Год назад
As I recall, our first CD was "The Nightfly" by Donald Fagan precisely because it was "DDD" and also because it was one of only a handful of CD releases. I say "we" because my (weathy) college roommate had the actual CD player with matching expensive stereo kit. I supplied the physical media music.
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 Год назад
My favourite album - although I have it on vinyl!
@PimpinBassie2
@PimpinBassie2 Год назад
Yes, and according to Fagen the digital mixing was a Nightmare 😱
@axelvetter
@axelvetter Год назад
Oh yes! In the early days I had to buy my CDs in a hifi store where they sold quality gear only. Here I could also listen to a CD before I bought it which other shops didn't allow as you had to tear open the shrink-wrap. One of my first CDs was The Nightfly which I still have. I purchased it because of the music, didn't even know it was DDD.
@johnnytoobad7785
@johnnytoobad7785 Год назад
Also have that CD..
@Sean-me4fv
@Sean-me4fv Год назад
I only like one song from that album, the rest seem frightfully boring. But that one song is incredible. The future looks bright!
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. Год назад
That's nuts. Why would I get rid of my CDs just because they're not the latest and greatest technology now?
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 Год назад
They sound loads better than any streaming service, and they’re physical copies! Plus, a well-mastered CD sounds better than most new LP releases!
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. Год назад
@@5roundsrapid263: They may sound better than streaming because they're less compressed. But the streaming services' copies are physical copies too; just not that we have our own of (discrete). And those that _don't have "loudness war" mastering_ sound better than ANY vinyl release.
@ConsumerDV
@ConsumerDV Год назад
The third letter may be always "D" for compact disc, after all digital discs were copied off a digital master, but digital masters were also used for analog recordings like cassettes, so the third letter did not always have to be "A" for analog media. "DDD" audio cassettes were a thing despite that the final product was an analog recording. See more here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-t9Xe4V75z_Y.html I have a couple of dozen cassettes from The Masterpiece Collection with classical music recordings, most of them are marked with "DDD".
@appleinfl
@appleinfl Год назад
My Dad was one of the six people in the US that was into Super Audio CD or SACD. He built a full 5.1 surround system around it for the living room. Loved The Nightfly and Dark Side. Both sounded amazing, that high bitrate with good mastering made an unrivaled listening experience in the early 2000s.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 9 месяцев назад
SACD annoys me. It uses a really weird audio encoding which seems to have no advantage over plain PCM, but is incompatible with every other digital audio tool and component ever created.
@Coneman3
@Coneman3 8 месяцев назад
I have a hi end DAC which converts PCM to DSD.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 8 месяцев назад
@@Coneman3 But... why?
@vwestlife
@vwestlife Год назад
Part of the reason why the SPARS codes were abandoned (at least temporarily) is that unscrupulous record companies would simply lie and emblazon old analog recordings with the "DDD" logo, and there was no enforcement to crack down on this misleading advertising. This was especially true with the large, inexpensive collections of classical music on CDs that started appearing in the late '80s, which also often lied about which orchestras actually recorded the music on them. These discs claimed to be "DDD" even though some of the tracks were even copied from old records, and you could hear the pops and clicks! And nowadays the opposite has happened, with Mobile Fidelity (MoFi) producing "100% analog" vinyl records for over a decade that were actually made from digital recordings. But even the golden-ears, digital-hating audiophiles couldn't tell the difference!
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra Год назад
Great to find you here, your take on whatever it's being commented is always insightful.
@defiraphi
@defiraphi Год назад
Somehow the same can be said with 4K DVD's many of them aren't even 4K . Many Blurays are poor VHS transfers etc... Also the many promises that a DVD offered was all lies at the end only to sell the product better and fool people .
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra Год назад
@@defiraphi "Many Blurays are poor VHS transfers" Did I really read that? I mean, it's so ludicrous you must have been drunk or on dope when writing that.
@defiraphi
@defiraphi Год назад
@@BilisNegra I said many not all when the blurays were new they didn't did any efforts to digitalise the content similar to the DVD's many of the older movies were only VHS transfers too with no bonusses and a poor selection menu . Not to forgot how the side marketing who sold illegal DVD's and Blurays ( Netherlands, China to name a few countries ) to get a quick buck without quality . Seems some people has forgotten the start of how easy it was to copy movies there weren't those enforced copyright laws and anti-piracy on a DVD or Bluray .
@nickhirst999
@nickhirst999 Год назад
@@defiraphi I've never had Bluray but the number of DVDs I've got that have some kind of flaw in them is remarkable. My pet hates include jerky movements from the wrong frame rate and warbling in the audio or out of sync audio even from things which are claiming to be the ultimate remastered versions!
@McMillanScottish
@McMillanScottish Год назад
“Music was an event, rather than that something you put on while you’re doing something else.” I couldn’t agree more. Good music isn’t the paper on a room’s walls - it is the room itself.
@stephenjones9246
@stephenjones9246 Год назад
Nice video, thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's interesting that, according to blind listening tests, most people could not hear the difference between SACD standard audio CD. It seems that the Red Book standard, and probably stereo records had already approached or exceed the limits of human hearing back in the 1970's, all good for music collectors until the 'loudness war' ruined the sound quality of most pop and rock CDs from the late 1990's, those early silver discs are often worth significantly more.
@user-yg4kj2mf1p
@user-yg4kj2mf1p Год назад
Sssshhh... you are ruining the marketing ploy to make people believe that sample rates higher than 16-bit/44.1Khz are worth it. Even DVD's minimum rate (16-bit/48Khz) is overkill. The only real advantage of SACD was surround sound, but there is a big debate about whether people even want surround music. Also, sending SACD surround sound to home cinemas was problematic (the SACD player had to convert it to Dolby Digital, which most SACD players didn't).
@thomasfrohlich9208
@thomasfrohlich9208 Год назад
I have some sacd and dvd-audio from 2000 - 2009.
@EphemeralTao
@EphemeralTao Год назад
Yeah, SACD was definitely overkill. The only reason for recording at higher bit/sample rates than standard redbook CDs was to allow for more manipulation of the sound during mixing and mastering without introducing audible artifacts.
@BMags1
@BMags1 Год назад
Can someone briefly explain the technical aspects of the “loudness” characteristic that is ruining the quality of digital music recordings? Much appreciated.
@EphemeralTao
@EphemeralTao Год назад
@@BMags1 In a word, Compression. This may need a bit more explanation than I think you were looking for. Compression is a production technique that reduces the dynamic range of a sound, the difference between the loudest parts and the softest parts. Normally, compressing a sound makes the louder parts softer, and the soft parts louder. This was commonly used to make certain instruments or vocals stand out more in the mix, or to make the sound "fit" on a particular medium, like vinyl, without distortion or dropouts. The first step in getting someone to buy your music, is to make them notice it. The easiest way to get someone to notice it (especially when it's being played in a noisy public place like a bar or club) is to make it louder. The easiest way to make it louder is to turn up the volume; but there's a limit to how high a volume ordinary speakers can handle. That's where compression comes in. Instead of the normal way of using compression, producers started using it to just make the softer parts louder, and keep the loudest parts as loud as they could. This made the whole piece of music "feel" louder overall, and made it more attention-grabbing. Pretty soon, everyone was trying to make their music "louder" to catch the attention of listeners more; and that was how the "Loudness War" started. Music recordings kept getting louder and louder. The problem with just pumping up the loudness like that is that eventually you stop being able to hear the music clearly. It starts to all mush together and sound muddy, nothing stands out, and it becomes very tiring and unpleasant for the human ear to listen to. It's like having someone constantly shouting into your ears, instead of talking normally. So the loudness became more attention-grabbing, but the music started sounding really terrible.
@jameslaidler2152
@jameslaidler2152 Год назад
The Hunt for Red October is one of a few DAD discs I saw, and it sounds fantastic.
@inthefade
@inthefade Год назад
I want to get my digital music mixed on an analog console just so I can put DAD on the CD.
@rijjhb9467
@rijjhb9467 Год назад
@@inthefade If you're a Dark Souls fan you may want it recorded with giant analog equipment (get it, get it? ... OK, I'm pointing down at myself).
@pfcompany885
@pfcompany885 Год назад
Never seen
@RomeoG39
@RomeoG39 Год назад
nice job! This brings back memories! The whole analog vs digital thing lasted a long time. And like you pointed out, it's ironic that now most audio people listen to, lossy compressed digital audio, is arguably lesser quality than a CD.
@NewFalconerRecords
@NewFalconerRecords Год назад
Not arguably, definitely lesser quality audio.
@nuznikas
@nuznikas Год назад
Yes ironic true
@rosiefay7283
@rosiefay7283 Год назад
But not lesser quality than vinyl played on an analogue system.
@rijjhb9467
@rijjhb9467 Год назад
@@rosiefay7283 Exactly, and the fact that many audiophiles nowadays prefer analog is even more ironic.
@Mike_Connor
@Mike_Connor Год назад
Feels like this should be a Techmoan video! Interesting departure from your usual 4 wheels based vids, but informative and entertaining as always :)
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Well, I do watch a lot of his videos!
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Год назад
Releasing modern day music on vinyl is insane! All new recordings are digitally recorded and mixed. And then it's pressed on an analog medium because somehow some people believe it sounds "better" than the original recording... It's like saying listening to someone singing in front of you sounds worse than recording them onto tape and listening to it afterwards.
@FixItAgainToni
@FixItAgainToni Год назад
Actually I buy the vinyl version of new albums because it‘s the only physical way to get to hear the music with more than 5-7 dB dynamic range. Would this damn loudness war on CDs just finally put to an end, I would happily just buy the cheaper CD versions again.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Год назад
@@FixItAgainToni I get your point. Just received the Deluxe Edition of Ultravox' Rage in Eden on CD and it's mastered great. Things are going in the right direction again.
@FixItAgainToni
@FixItAgainToni Год назад
@@Ni5ei In terms of Remasters, yes, I agree, but new albums usually still are way too loud. But I also noticed a slightly positive trend during the last couple years.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Год назад
@@FixItAgainToni I really hope we're getting to the point where CD mastering sounds great again. Let them release terrible sounding streaming audio for teens with phones and lousy earbuds but please, make CDs sound like they're supposed to sound...
@FixItAgainToni
@FixItAgainToni Год назад
@@Ni5ei The big joke is: It's actually the other way around: For example the new Mylène Farmer record (which hit #1 in France) was released on CD and double vinyl - CD: dynamic range 6; vinyl: dynamic range 10 - but Tidal got a master with dynamic range 11. So, basically nowadays some major releases get the best sound out there on streaming. It's not a huge difference of course, but this shows, that the engineers actually know, what sounds good - but they want the CD to die.
@NLBassist
@NLBassist Год назад
I am a car guy and a music guy. I worked in car business and now in music business. So great to see this. Also that it started with a Dutch CD, as it is a Dutch invention. I knew a bit about this. but you taught me some new stuff! I knew we always searched for DDD or at least ADD, and now I'm this old school tube amp bass player....
@gotham61
@gotham61 Год назад
CD was a joint project of Sony and Philips, so half Dutch.
@Rudolf_Edward
@Rudolf_Edward Год назад
It was a Dutch invention.
@gotham61
@gotham61 Год назад
@@Rudolf_Edward Similar but competing systems were being developed by both Philips and Sony at the same time in the 1970s. In 1979 the two teams agreed to cooperate, and set up a joint task force. They published the CD Red Book in 1980 which defined the format. I guess it's tempting from a Dutch perspective to think that the Dutch invented it all, but that wouldn't be accurate.
@mikethespike7579
@mikethespike7579 Год назад
@@Rudolf_Edward I remember clearly that it was a collaboration between Philips and Sony. Also, the technology would never have had enough market presence to become standard without Sony's backing. There was another competing development in this technology that was just as good, but didn't make it because it didn't have enough backing.
@_Scintill8tor
@_Scintill8tor Год назад
@@gotham61 Got to agree here. Even being Dutch ;-) , I know first hand it was a joint development and simultaneous lab work done in Japan and in Eindhoven. I worked in the NatLab in '93 and got to see some folks that developed the things and also got a tour around the (defunct) labs as they kept it as kinda "museum". I feel very fortunate to have seen that, as now everything is gone.
@TheDamo100
@TheDamo100 Год назад
Always informative. I learnt something today. Cheers
@b00m3rh4nd_sol
@b00m3rh4nd_sol Год назад
Love the content. Fell in love with digital when I bought my first Realistic CD-1600 Compact Disc Player. :) Today I continue to be blown away by digital playback with awesome new R2R DACs and supercut 10MHz master clocks.
@oleo007
@oleo007 Год назад
Excellent video,I'm a huge fan of your other channel !!!!!Obsolete formats and details are always interesting!!!!
@murattanyel1029
@murattanyel1029 Год назад
I remember the times I used to pay attention to AAD, ADD, or DDD. When I want to buy new music, I search for the CD version, I do not have a streaming device connected to real speakers, I don't even know what they would be called.
@robertwestinghouse4098
@robertwestinghouse4098 Год назад
Adding a little left field content - great. As an old bastard, I remember records...but now I embrace hi res flac files. Records all sold, CD's ripped to flac files and yes no magic in the event - but the music should be what we want....but I do know audiophile junkies who listen to the equipment rather than the music - takes all types.
@BlackBuck777
@BlackBuck777 Год назад
While I was looking for a good CD player at the time I used a DDD compilation disc to compare players. Think it was a Naxos title, lots of orchestral, classical music. My first DDD CD - and still a superb album - Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. 1985.
@MirkoC407
@MirkoC407 Год назад
Now I really had to "get a grip" in my CD rack and check the AAA label.
@patricksadler3587
@patricksadler3587 Год назад
Excellent video more of these please 🙏
@mrjsv4935
@mrjsv4935 Год назад
Very interesting, never noticed those letters before :) Just quickly checked my CD's and found Samantha Fox - Touch Me CD from 1986 with ADD marking and couple of Synthesizer Hits & Digital Melodies CD's from late 80's with DDD markings on them :)
@gyoergypecsi
@gyoergypecsi Год назад
Hey, I enjoyed! Please, make more content like this. Thanks!
@Turrican
@Turrican Год назад
I used to hunt out DDD CDs. One of the best was Introspective by the Pet Shop Boys. One of my favourite albums to this day!
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 9 месяцев назад
Cameo's "Word up!" is also a DDD Compact Disc :)
@signwaveslandmarks
@signwaveslandmarks Год назад
Amazing, two of my biggest interests combined! Thank you very much. And OMG, what a beautiful pressing of Equinoxe!
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Jean-Michel Jarre rocks!
@ondrovaquero1372
@ondrovaquero1372 Год назад
@@LittleCar yeah he does!!!
@simonrussell4986
@simonrussell4986 Год назад
Remember when the family got the first CD player, my mum pointing out the letters saying they're looking for DDD CDs. As an annoying 10 year old I recall saying that the stuff they buy had already been recorded in analogue anyhow. You've only got to listen to "True Love Ways" on "From the Original Master Tapes" CD by Buddy Holly to realise that a recording from '58 can pretty much outperform "all-digital" recordings when recorded and mastered properly (I remember being given a demo of this against a Jamiroquai song - both of which were really good, but head to head the production quality was day and night. Proper studio gear has been ahead of consumer stuff for years, but it all depends on what you're playing and who was twiddling the knobs where.
@geoffreykeane4072
@geoffreykeane4072 Год назад
Spot on!
@KariKauree
@KariKauree Год назад
How does comparing Buddy Holly to Jamiroquai even make sense?
@simonrussell4986
@simonrussell4986 Год назад
@@KariKauree it was a demo of audio equipment, where you'd often have a selection of tracks to showcase stuff. This particular demo was also to highlight that when a track was recorded didn't necessarily matter. If the equipment and know how was good, it's fine. It wasn't comparing the output of the artists, just the production, if that makes sense
@KariKauree
@KariKauree Год назад
@@simonrussell4986 "Head to head the production quality was day and night" as you yourself said... of course it makes a difference whether a pop track was recorded in 1958 or 1998, in multiple ways. I don't understand what you're trying to say 🤔
@simonrussell4986
@simonrussell4986 Год назад
@@KariKauree I'm saying that the earlier recording sounded much better. That it was possible to record to a very high quality back then, if you knew what you were doing
@stephenc6648
@stephenc6648 Год назад
I remember these markings from my first CDs and hadn't really noticed that they'd fallen into disuse. I started buying CDs in the late 80s. I had been put off by the high price but was finally persuaded when Deutsche Gtammophon (part of PolyGram) announced that their new releases wouldn't be in any other format and I assumed that others would follow suit. At the time, DDD often was a badge of quality, at least in sound quality, because it meant a recent recording, mastered using modern methods. Many labels were reiussing their back catalogues on mid-priced CDs and weren't always taking much care in doing it. AAD or ADD discs were often excellent but there were some with badly compressed sound and the original tape hiss audible. This was very obvious, even on my very basic Sony Discman. If you collected classical CDs, the Penguin Guide was an absolute must as it covered these issues. I still have all my CDs but rarely play them now. I refuse to get nostalgic about LPs or cassettes but do miss the way that spending money on a physical format led me to value my music more.
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. Год назад
Wow, it's hard to believe that CDs came out already four decades ago, right when the Commodore 64 did! It's also hard to believe that we already had this reasonably high-resolution audio quality at a time right when the Sound Interface Device (SID) chip of that same computer was so much less capable than this! But it seems to me like most people didn't really get a hold of CDs until about 4 years later.
@jari2018
@jari2018 Год назад
Commodore also became a video cd player at its end and could play mp1 and cc64 games but was way behind nintento and sega . Philips DCC compact cassete player had the sae didtal format - Nothing that wold be bad even today with the invention of lossless mp3 and efunct mpc like mp3 pro which were pulled of the market by - buy them and kill the format
@rtel123
@rtel123 Год назад
Had the vinyl "jazz at the pawnshop" famous recording from Sweden recorded live 1976. Later got the new release on CD, which was wonderful. Years later, they remastered the digital release from the original analog tapes, but while the new digital mastering technology was better, the analog master tapes had deteriorated, so no real net gain of quality. Then in 1996, they remastered with very advanced technology that seemed to correct the analog master deterioration, and actually improved the product dramatically.
@hisownfool1
@hisownfool1 Год назад
Jazz at the Pawnshop! Brings back memories, 😀
@Coneman3
@Coneman3 8 месяцев назад
Probably better than porn at the jizz club 😂
@djsmeguk
@djsmeguk Год назад
I remember the big fuss that dire straits made, because the brothers in arms album was supposedly the first DDD album made.
@technics-n-thuiast8346
@technics-n-thuiast8346 Год назад
I think we shall see the comeback of CD's soon just like vinyl did several years ago. It blows my mind how CD's ( let alone SACD's ) sound so much better than nowadays streaming services ( some are up to the CD standard tho...almost that is ). I must admit that i still do listen and buy music on CD's. However, it is very difficult to find new artists on CD's. I'd also like to add here how even old CD players, vintage audio in general, sounds better than most of the new stuff, even from the big names like Yamaha, Pioneer,....who even cheeped out in quality :(. Lucky are the ones who still own some of the high quality components ( Yamaha Centennial Edition, Pioneer ELITE (Urushi design), Sony ES (ESPRIT), Technics G-Series, Onkyo Grande Integra,...are just some to mention here. Rarely today you see such a built quality using high quality materials such as Titanium, Copper, Molybdenum, Wood, Gold, Ceramic,..just to name some. Today, to get some of that quality in built and sound, you need to explore some ultra expensive High-End brands that are just unobtainable to the most of us.
@xorsyst1
@xorsyst1 Год назад
I'm not so sure CDs will come back - you can buy downloadable CD-quality files identical to the CD, without having to wait or take up shelf space. I do still buy CDs for "important" albums where I want the sleeve notes, lyrics, etc - mostly prog. But general stuff I get 16-bit or even 24-bit flac downloads.
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep Год назад
@@xorsyst1 Downloading files and keeping them organised or safe is something for clever people. Dummies want to buy a piece of something they can grasp in their hands and stuff into a box or on a shelf to know it's still there.
@pyeltd.5457
@pyeltd.5457 Год назад
New artist or any mainstream crap like Ed Sheeran is on CD all the time. You buy it on the internet using Amazon or you go to a shop like a retailer like HMV or a charity shop or music shops. No technology or equipment have ever been made out of Gold apart from Trumps loo.
@technics-n-thuiast8346
@technics-n-thuiast8346 Год назад
@@Leo_ofRedKeep i Guess I’m a dummy 😬… there’s always different optics and opinions, how would you call people that buy something they’ve never seen, touched and therefore had in their possession? All the files that one has on some cloud are not really his/hers, they are just allowed to use them, not have them. I too use all the media and files just prefer to own physical media.
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep Год назад
@@technics-n-thuiast8346 Files are yours the same way a CD is. You have them on some support as a CD on a shelf. You may not duplicate and distribute either.
@SamiJumppanen
@SamiJumppanen Год назад
Interesting topic, thank you! I've learned as an electronic music producer that analog or hybrid mastering is the best thing today.
@knockshinnoch1950
@knockshinnoch1950 Год назад
The Record Labels used the introduction of the CD to make a killing from their massive back catalogues. Cashing in by releasing "classic" iconic albums on CD and charging a premium price that quite frankly was almost 100% profit. CDs were the new Golden Goose. Like lemmings loads of folks run and jumped over the cliff Taking the headfirst plunge into the digital CD world, ditching their prized vinyl collections at knockdown prices as they fully embraced CDs and made snide comments about the uncool people who clung to vinyl. FFW to the 2000s and we see the same thing happening with many of those same people who offloaded their CD collections and embraced streaming or returned to vinyl. Personally I have always embraced the new formats- CD, Mini Disc, SACD, Streaming. I never offloaded my vinyl and never offloaded my CDs. I just don't understand why some people have to be all in on a single format while dissing everyone who doesn't follow suit. Each format has pros and cons. I live happily in a multi format universe.
@giulianomarco
@giulianomarco Год назад
Surely modern LPs must be DDA (as there can be very few if any analogue recording & mixing studios left) which makes a nonsense of their supposed "warmer" sound?
@alexanderwalter2253
@alexanderwalter2253 Год назад
Thanks for the nostalgia on this long forgotten taxonomy. I still got a classical CD with a big red warning label on it, saying that it only should be played on high end stereo equipment, otherwise the hifi will be destroyed. Guess what happend to my low end stereo? Nothing! 😂
@NiGHTSaturn
@NiGHTSaturn Год назад
2:05 Peter Gabriel did it before the code was widely used in 84. For his 4th Self-titled album (or “Security” in North America), released in 1982, a lot of the releases had a sticker mentioning “Full Digital Recording” or marketed as Digitally Mixed and Mastered.
@althejazzman
@althejazzman Год назад
I have a few 80's jazz vinyl records that proudly display "Digital Master" on the cover, as if that made the vinyl less analogue!
@foreignparticle1320
@foreignparticle1320 Год назад
I was into Classical music as a teenager, and I remember being disappointed when I discovered the audible difference between AAD and DDD - that of the background hiss. Thereafter, I would opt for DDD recordings over the AAD/ADD. I appreciated the utter purity of sound in a good digital recording; with a good pair of headphones or speakers, it was as close to being in a room with the orchestra/performers as you could get. It was only later that I learned to appreciate older albums for the performance, rather than just the sonic purity, and so many "A"s found their way into my collection, in all genres. Great bit of nostalgia... thanks mate!
@thomasfrohlich9208
@thomasfrohlich9208 Год назад
I have one CD with DAD. Simple minds. Street fighting years. Release from 1989
@Autonomous1969
@Autonomous1969 Год назад
My first DDD disc was Sting - Nothing Like The Sun.
@tstahler5420
@tstahler5420 Год назад
I'm old enough to have had 8 track, LP, cassette and CDs of a lot bands. I purchased my 1st CD player in '87 and was absolutely flabbergasted by the quality of the sound. The music was so clean there was music in songs I'd never heard before. Jump ahead 11 years and I purchased my 1st DVD, Hell Freezes Over, by The Eagles. Again I was absolutely flabbergasted but by the visual quality along with the audio quality. I have never heard of these AAD or DDD standards before, never looked for them, I just listened to the music and judged for myself. Thanks for the video, I learned something today.
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Hearing a CD for the first time was a revelation for me too. It's hard for younger people to understand just how much better it was.
@RobDucharme
@RobDucharme Год назад
I remember the Vancouver band (artist?) Delerium feeding the audio of one of their albums through some sort of tape process to "warm" up the sound. Not sure which album that was, but it was sometime around 15-20 years ago now.
@NewFalconerRecords
@NewFalconerRecords Год назад
It's a fairly common practice even today. There are loads of digital plugins that emulate tape saturation.
@matthewmcree1992
@matthewmcree1992 Год назад
Some of the best trance tracks ever produced were remixes of Delerium IMO. The Svenson and Gielen Remix of "After All" is particularly good if you're into that kind of thing, but it's music for partying hard.
@RobDucharme
@RobDucharme Год назад
@Matthew McRee I attempted a remix of that song back in 2003. It was the first time I got to hear the isolated bassline and I learned a lot from it..
@stevenholt1867
@stevenholt1867 День назад
Dire Straits Brothers In Arms Compact Disc had to be DDD.
@dmd7472
@dmd7472 Год назад
I watch so many similarly themed videos Rasta but none have given me something new and surprising like this. Considerable value added star
@primotimes9991
@primotimes9991 Год назад
Great seeing you move sideways on a techno-mechanical segment. I guess you could argue that cd's can be played in recent model autos, so therefore you are still good-to-go with the whole subject. Well done my friend!
@levivasquez
@levivasquez Год назад
It took me 30 years to finally own a digital recorder, mixer, and mastering hardware in my own hobby studio! Only the other day I was like, ahem, finally I can boast DDD, lol. Great channel Little Car
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
Well done!
@IntyMichael
@IntyMichael Год назад
Yes, this was a big thing back then. Brothers In Arms by Dire Straits was the show off Album back then. And the Digital albums definitely sounded better back then because the analog albums were often mastered from mastering tapes that had some generations on their back. After a while new releases of iconic analog albums were made from their their master tape and sounded so much better.
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 Год назад
Brothers in Arms was actually DAD. It was mixed on a custom Neve 8078 analog console.
@IntyMichael
@IntyMichael Год назад
@@5roundsrapid263 So, the CD cover lies? it says DDD. I want my money back!
@JayJamsSpams
@JayJamsSpams Год назад
Does the middle letter refer to the summing/mixing process (i.e. the mixing desk) or the storage of that mix (2-track analogue tape or binary data) ?
@spooley
@spooley Год назад
Brothers was the only DDD in my circle, still own it if it's worth a few quid.
@NewFalconerRecords
@NewFalconerRecords Год назад
I have heard CDs played through a friend's custom made valve amplifier hi-fi. You want warm? He's played music to me that I would never listen to usually (stuff like 1990s acts such as Savage Garden and George Michael) and it sounds impeccable. Gorgeous low bass tones and crisp treble. No harshness at all. Most people listen with their eyes when it comes to vinyl being the be all and end all. But true, the 12" x 12" artwork of albums is the best.
@rusticpartyeditz
@rusticpartyeditz Год назад
Nothing wrong with Savage Garden. I have seen Darren Hayes live a few times and he has an amazing voice.
@NewFalconerRecords
@NewFalconerRecords Год назад
@@rusticpartyeditz True. Savage Garden's debut album was full of top quality pop songs. It just isn't the sort of music that I would choose to listen to at home. I certainly don't dislike them, and yes, Darren Hayes' voice is superb.
@Crazy_Borg
@Crazy_Borg Год назад
Sadly, this is missing a DAD joke...
@tentringer4065
@tentringer4065 Год назад
He really needs to ADD one.
@robbiecox
@robbiecox 25 дней назад
Dark Side of the Moon with AAD on the label is by far the best CD version. It's just a direct re-master into digital, with no one messing around with the mix. That goes for all pre digital recordings. AAD everytime. I also have a huge LP collection starting from the 60s. I do not have pops or scratches on my records as I looked after them, and now own an ultrasonic cleaner. I enjoyed your video, I'm not trying to be nasty.
@synthoelectro
@synthoelectro Год назад
This is what inspired me to make my album - ATD - back in 2014.
@arthurwatts1680
@arthurwatts1680 Год назад
Vids like this really put a lump in my anorak.
@gerasimger15
@gerasimger15 Год назад
Wasn't expecting this from a car channel lol
@jackiechan8840
@jackiechan8840 Год назад
Never knew this!!! Thanks
@mauritsvw
@mauritsvw Год назад
My AR speakers bought in 1988 still proudly proclaim "Digital Monitoring System" on their fronts, whatever that means. It is just ordinary two way speakers.
@mackjay1777
@mackjay1777 Год назад
Great video! I was working in record retail when the CD appeared and there was immediately a craze for DDD. So many customers passed on great recordings of the past on CD in favor of new digital recordings. It was frustrating for those of us who knew that the older recording often sound very good on CD and they were now minus clicks and pops of the LP era. Another thing inf favor of AAD or ADD CDs is that they tended to be less expensive that full digital CDs, so those of us who were upgrading our LP collections to CD had a great time. I still think CD is the way to go for music. CDs I bought in the 80s almost always still work and sound fantastic.
@widicamdotnet
@widicamdotnet Год назад
Pondering analog vs. digital, as well as, say, flash vs. magnetic media within a digital workflow, I'd been thinking about these exact markings from the 80s for the last couple of days - so I knew about them, but the video popping up now was a nice coincidence :)
@jasonschubert6828
@jasonschubert6828 Год назад
Ha, my copy of "Get a Grip" is labeled as AAA! Never noticed before.
@albinnibla
@albinnibla Год назад
Working in a record store at that time, I experienced this ridiculous snobbery first hand!
@fluffycritter
@fluffycritter Год назад
I remember these markings and a little brochure that came with my family’s first CD player (a big deal back then!) that explained them. Also some other now-forgotten features of CDs, including index marks, which I saw used exactly once.
@JakobMusick
@JakobMusick Год назад
What are index marks?
@purpleghost4083
@purpleghost4083 Год назад
@@JakobMusick Each track on a CD can have up to 99 index marks or points within it. Mainly used for classical music.
@JakobMusick
@JakobMusick Год назад
@@purpleghost4083 Are they physical marks on the disc or readable marks digitally like 'chapters' in a DVD?
@purpleghost4083
@purpleghost4083 Год назад
@@JakobMusick Readable digital marks, yes like chapters in a DVD. For CDs that don't use this feature, the CD player's display (if it shows index numbers) probably would show the index number as being 1. Same thing for the other tracks. There could be some players that show a blank space or a 0 (zero) instead of a 1, but I don't remember.
@JakobMusick
@JakobMusick Год назад
@@purpleghost4083 Thank you for this information!
@martinhinge1462
@martinhinge1462 9 месяцев назад
Nice little video. If you decide to more videos on audiophile topics I might even subscribe til Little Car as well. Judging from your CD collection you have what it takes. 🎶🙂💿👍
@mchenrynick
@mchenrynick Год назад
The biggest major problem with current (steaming) music is that the vast majority is so heavily "dynamically compressed." This lowers the level of extremities within the sound. The reason for this is that it makes it play louder and louder tracks are streamed over quieter ones. Oh yeah, and even if you pony up the money to get it on CD, the CD's audio will be just as dynamically compressed, so don't expect something great there either :(
@maciejcegowski657
@maciejcegowski657 Год назад
Interesting video! Looks like you might say much interesting stories about A(/V) also. Some people repeat opinion that 1st digital recordings sounded poor due to not matured A/D converters
@Aquatarkus96
@Aquatarkus96 Год назад
That was partly what drove Sony to develop the underlying technology behind SACD. Also, recording or mixing digitally is a different sort of "game" compared to analog methods, I'd imagine there were some growing pains with recording and mixing engineers getting used to the different way one has to work in the digital domain.
@TadanoHitohito
@TadanoHitohito Год назад
Personally I think there's a place for both analog and digital in high end audio in 2023. I've listened to modern vinyl records on modern turntables, as well as 24-bit 192kHz FLACs on high end DACs, both sound great.
@CorporalClegg1000
@CorporalClegg1000 Год назад
I recommend listening to the quadraphonic and 5.1 stuff.
@artmanjohn2
@artmanjohn2 Год назад
Hey, I saw on your video a CD I own of "Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe" that was also put out by MFSL on an Ultra Disc remastered 24 KT Gold plated CD. It was also an AAD recording! I am a believer in good, fun audio. As they use to say, "Don't though out the baby with the bath water". I love both mediums basically, Vinyl LPs and CDs both, I use and still collect both. In fact just last year I set up my turntable again after laying dormant covered in a cabinet for almost 30 years. This is because, at the time, I moved on to CDs, as I did with 8 tracks and cassettes earlier. I also got tons of Vinyl LPs I started collecting in the very early 80s, MFSL was my go to for sound quality. Then MFSL came out with the Gold Ultra Disk 24KT gold plated CD, most are AAD unless they are from a digital master. I'm am an Audiophile person and I now listen these days to both mediums as I feel they both got something unique to offer on their own. I enjoy Vinyl LPs, one main reason is that they are just so much fun to play, handle and physically admire, forgot how much fun this was. I also later added a DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD player. Of these two last mediums, I've found the sound quality on the DVD-Audio player has the best sound I've ever heard for music quality and sound. Unfortunately, it's hard to find music for these two mediums at all these days, especially the DVD-Audio. Now the Super Audio CD player is not as consistent in sound quality it seems, I found that if an album is poorly remastered to begin with, putting it on a Super Audio CD doesn't make it sound any better, in fact the poor mastering can make the poor mastering more apparent, because you can hear all the mistakes they made. An example of this is "The Dark Sound Of the Moon" by Pink Floyd, the Super Audio CD sounds of this album sounds inferior to my other versions, the CDs and even some of the LPs I possess. It is just what it is! Great Video, keep it going, enjoyed your video.
@paulupton5557
@paulupton5557 Год назад
Dark side not sound!
@MicrobyteAlan
@MicrobyteAlan Год назад
Good explanation thanks. Being a computer engineer for 50 years, I guess I'm Digital Equipment
@commodorenut
@commodorenut Год назад
As a schoolboy in the 80s I remember clearly the bragging rights I had with Dire Straits Brothers in Arms being a full DDD recording. My first CD was actually Jimmy Page, Outrider. It was AAD or ADD from memory. Initially I had Brothers in Arms on cassette, and got the CD a couple of years later when we bought a CD player. I remember my neighbours and my brother all gathering around as we compared the CD quality to the cassette, which was quite dramatic in the quiet parts of songs. We also tried to compare the DDD disc to AAD discs. Mainly looking for the “noise floor” like we did with the cassette comparison. Some thought they could hear the difference, but I never could….. we also compared INXS The Swing, which was AAD, and had a lot of sudden quiet spots in the songs, and again, I could never tell. But that still didn’t stop the bragging rights about DDD discs! I always wondered why modern releases of old CDs didn’t carry those codes anymore.
@ingarchris
@ingarchris Год назад
:^)
@xapaga1
@xapaga1 Год назад
0:07 Wow! That's Bernard Haitink conducting Concertgebouworkest Amsterdam (now called Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra in English or Koninklijk Concertgebouworkest) in 1985 & '86 (released in 1987), playing Beethoven's Symphonies 5 & 7. One of my all time favourite Philips discs. Thank you for your very mention.
@ml.2770
@ml.2770 Год назад
I remember looking for a DDD cd back in the day. The first one I had was Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms. I couldn't tell the difference and most of my favourites were AAD.
@mankepoot9440
@mankepoot9440 Год назад
Dire Straits were the poster boys for CD's and digital recording. Nowadays you see comments on how the vinyl reissues are the real sound the listener is looking for. They probably weren't around in the eightys.
@DrLoverLover
@DrLoverLover Год назад
@@mankepoot9440 Maybe they have ears for it while older people don't
@sjones1017
@sjones1017 Год назад
Must admit that for decades, that third “D” did appear redundant, so it was fascinating to learn that plans existed to use it for analog mastering as well. From what I recall, hardcore audiophiles (and my musician roommate who hated audiophiles) pretty much opposed digital right from the start. Part of the problem was that relatively affordable CD players ($300-$400) in the mid-1980s did sound bright, but as DAC technology improved, much of this tinny sound was alleviated…vinyl lovers will probably still say “nope”. I think a couple things hurt SACD and similar media, with one notable factor being the youth market’s demonstrable apathy. In the late 1990s, downloaded mpegs allowed kids to start putting their whole (cheap but illegal) Zeppelin catalogue on one CD ROM despite what most anyone would consider blatantly poor-quality sound. When iTunes came out, bit rates were still inferior to that of CDs but better than what folks were downloading from Napster and certainly sufficient for most humans. However, aside from any “hipster” influence, the resurgence of vinyl was due, in part, to its perceived superior sound compared with compressed digital, which in turn possibly prompted the streaming/downloading industry to review digital quality, hence, streaming at 20 billion bits/ 200 trillion kHz. Another problem that plagued SACD & DVD Audio was the continual cost prohibitive nature of compatible CD players, never mind the media itself being initially pricey. Anyway, one thing to consider is that older CDs escaped the “loudness wars” of the past 20 years. So despite all of the technological advances in mastering, digital equipment, experience, and such, Japan’s early 1983 CD version of Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon” is arguably the best of the lot, irrespective of bit and sampling rate. In terms of the general consumer, audio quality is just one of those highly subjective things that doesn’t have the draw of the visual, which in terms of movies, has gone from VHS to DVD to Blu Ray to 4K in the past four decades. Meanwhile, for physical media (hard copy), 16/44 CDs and vinyl are still the primary options.
@ingarchris
@ingarchris Год назад
Michael Jackson Thriller (CD [35・8P-11] Japanese Edidion 1983), best of the best in sound.
@OfficialRainsynth
@OfficialRainsynth 9 месяцев назад
I didn't even know this marking was a thing and I was a kid in the 90's, when this was used. But that's probably we still had more cassettes back then than CDs. And when we had CDs, it was already 2000's and vast majority of those were discs with burned MP3s.
@BubbafromSapperton
@BubbafromSapperton Год назад
I remember in the 70's they recorded direct to vinyl disc master, all these years later all I bother with is Spotify, sounds good-enough to me!
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra Год назад
5:40 That caption was so much on point. My exact thoughts. It's all the more absurd these days with vinyl releases of new albums, virtually all of them recorded and mixed in a DAW running on macOS or Windows. Oh, and a dedicated mastering for vinyl maybe, yes. But done on the same gear, only with different settings!
@chickenfizz
@chickenfizz Год назад
not only that but almost all record cutting lathes employ a digital delay, so nearly all sound on vinyl has been through a A/D D/A process and it's been this way since the early 80s. Prior to that they used tape delay but the machines were expensive, large and maintenance heavy which led to them being replaced.
@SamiJumppanen
@SamiJumppanen Год назад
Rec & mix yes usually digital, but it seems the most valued mastering these days is analog or hybrid. This is my experience as an electronic music producer (producer here means: not mastering engineer but everything before it).
@shaunw9270
@shaunw9270 Год назад
Interesting. I know the crackles, pops and hiss you're talking about. Usually because the general music buyer didn't look after their records or equipment properly. I still own all my vinyl , cassette and CD collections but never coveted DDD recordings . In the 90's most of the well known bands (proper musicians with guitars , real bass & drums etc) recorded their best selling albums on analogue machines, so either AAD or ADD is what was the norm. Maybe classical music fans that bought CDs preferred DDD but I don't remember that , in fact my friend that was into classical and prog rock preferred vinyl as it was 😊
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan Год назад
I’d forgotten all about that! Didn’t there use to be ‘chapters’ on CDs as well? (I don’t mean the tracks, I mean sub-divisions within the tracks).
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
There still are. Very few discs used them.
@KarlHamilton
@KarlHamilton Год назад
Hold on. What? Been researching that online and can't find a single mention of chapters. Are we sure this is a thing?
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan Год назад
@@KarlHamilton - Absolutely. Chapters were more of a thing on classical CDs where the tracks themselves were longer. However my early Jarre Oxygene and Equinox CDs definitely have chapter points within the tracks. My early CD players such as the Phillips 840/850 had Next/Previous chapter buttons on the remote controls. I don’t know when manufacturers stopped putting these buttons on the remotes.
@KarlHamilton
@KarlHamilton Год назад
@@AtheistOrphan Cheers for the info. Mind blown 🤯
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan Год назад
@@KarlHamilton - You’re welcome Karl. Incidentally the buttons on the Philips CD player remote controls for accessing the chapters within tracks were marked as ‘Index’.
@rome0610
@rome0610 Год назад
Another reminder of getting old! 😂 But never mind, I didn't care much about AAD or DDD. Most of the CDs I bought where analog recorded anyways.
@DaVince21
@DaVince21 Год назад
Well, I never knew I was recorded in analog but mixed and mastered digitally, but here we are.
@Solitaire001
@Solitaire001 2 дня назад
I'd like to see a return of use of the SPARS code on all recordings (including downloads) with one addition: The adoption of the letter "M" (meaning "Mixed Analog and Digital") to the code. "M" would indicate that an album contains both analog and digital recordings and/or mixes since an album can contain both. The track list could use a marker (such as an *) to indicate which tracks are digital and which are analog.
@Umski
@Umski 9 месяцев назад
Wow, never ever spotted this even though I’m still a fan of using CDs - but then I only really got started in the mid-90s 😮
@ilyatsukanov8707
@ilyatsukanov8707 Год назад
This got me curious as to whether Eastern Bloc countries also got in the digital craze. Sure enough - my Klassische Trompetenkonzerte CD from East Germany reads "Digital - Aufnahme, Digital Recording, Enregistrement numerique", while my Czechoslovak Mendelssohn CD reads "Stereo ADD" and the Soviet Alexander Sitkovetsky - Zello reads "ADD".
@JoFreddieRevDr
@JoFreddieRevDr Год назад
Streaming has less quality than the CD? Free spotify maybe, but a platform like Qobuz that goes up to 24bit 192kHz is NOT less quality than 16 bit 44.1 kHz
@danielpirone8028
@danielpirone8028 Год назад
Oh man - I remember all this!!!
@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
I was a musician and audiophile since 1969. It did not matter the route of the recording process for the most part. CD was superior for one simple reason; the 1000 play was as good as the first. PERIOD. Digitizing from reel-to-reel tape to CD was still infinitely better than vinyl, yes there was a noise floor of the tape, but eliminating the needle grinding away vinyl and all the noise and dirt pops from this antique process was always a winner. i played my first CD in 1986 after 13 years of high end stereos playing vinyl, and I never played a record again.
@jeffreyrainey1015
@jeffreyrainey1015 Год назад
Very interesting story. We face this same question today, with material being released on vinyl, but the source is digital. Also. As someone who was born in the 90s, it's interesting to see how production techniques changed, almost instantly, as 1989 turned into 1990. Sure there was the occasional hangover, but by in large it was as if the world was saying, "that was stupid, what were we thinking?"
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
I think that vinyl album that put "AAA" on the back was trying to show that it was all analogue (i.e. better than digital). Quite ironic if you think about it.
@igorR061
@igorR061 Год назад
For analogue lovers Third Man Live still does AAA "...a band can record a live set direct-to-acetate or one-inch 8-track tape in front of a live audience. These 100% analog recordings are never transferred to a digital signal before being pressed onto vinyl at Third Man Pressing.". Very ironic, indeed, in the 90s DDD is better, nowadays AAA :D
@Ce0ammer
@Ce0ammer Год назад
@@LittleCar Tidal is a streaming service with equal or better sound quality than CD. Look up Tidal HiFi.
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
@@Ce0ammer Fair point.
@Ce0ammer
@Ce0ammer Год назад
@@LittleCar Perhaps you can make a note in the description?
@lumabi25
@lumabi25 Год назад
All but one of my CDs was AAD. The DDD disc was Flaunt It by Sigue Sigue Sputnik from 1986. One of my AAD discs clearly demonstrated it was sourced from analogue tape. It had bad print-through.
@Westcork-ul1ww
@Westcork-ul1ww Год назад
I made it a point to purchase a DDD as my very first CD in 1986. It was Beethoven's 9th on EMI. My 2nd and 3rd CDs were Dark Side of the Moon and Zeppelin 4. It's hard for me to imagine the appeal of vinyl today. Vinyl is not "warm" at all.
@Grimwriggler
@Grimwriggler Год назад
there are many single vowel adjectives to describe vinyl, rich, open clear , but not warm
@ozzyp97
@ozzyp97 Год назад
@@Grimwriggler There's a lot that goes into how a record actually ends up sounding, from cartridges and styli to the phono stage and how all that interacts with the tonearm. By "warm" people usually mean rolled off with a degree if distortion, and vinyl is certainly conducive to that especially if the various components are chosen to encourage it. I only have have a pretty basic setup built around a vintage turntable, but I don't think it sounds bad at all next to my CDs as long as the record is in shape. I'm not in any way a vinyl snob either, to me the appeal is mostly tactility of the medium. It makes the experience a bit more substantial, encourages you to sit down to listen the entire album, and it's a nice way to support a few of my favourite artists.
@chrisweddle2577
@chrisweddle2577 Год назад
I remember Dr. Barry Cooper. He was professor in my home town of Aberdeen. That whole Beethoven's 10th symphony business was highly spurious in my opinion.
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
I thought it was so cool when it launched. Like musical archeology. Looking back on it, there's so much that's been made up. I remember it being a big thing on the news at the time. Still a nice piece of music though.
@stephenc6648
@stephenc6648 Год назад
To be fair, he wasn't pretending the completion to be anything it wasn't. The CD has a talk explaining how it was done. A few years later, Anthony Payne did something similar for Elgar's Third. I went to a concert which was preceded by a talk by Payne. One confession he made was that he worked from photocopies of Elgar's sketches. Unfortunately, some pencil marks weren't visible on the copies and it's possible that the results would have been different if Payne had known about them.
@stanleycostello9610
@stanleycostello9610 Год назад
It's like Tchaikovsky's 7th symphony.
@chrisweddle2577
@chrisweddle2577 Год назад
@@LittleCar Having looked it up, it seems that there is a consensus among musicologists that it was constructed from sketches intended for a symphony. My recollection of it is that it sounds very much like an existing piece by Beethoven. Hence my scepticism.
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
@@stephenc6648 The marketing men got a little carried away with the front of the disc then!
@nathanielenochs1843
@nathanielenochs1843 Год назад
Since late last year I have decided to go back to buying Music on Physical Media for better quality and actually have the Albums, EPs, and Singles in my collection and not have the risk of them getting removed from my library
@drewsterwa
@drewsterwa 9 месяцев назад
Vinyl is king, and is now back to being the best selling music medium
@chrispenn715
@chrispenn715 Год назад
hahahaha - yes I fell for DDD too! My son is now an AAA nerd, with an expensive record deck and new pressings of obscure LPs - where did I go wrong? 😂
@LittleCar
@LittleCar Год назад
IMHO it's all a bit "Emperor's new clothes". Music on CD sounds awesome, especially with a nice amp & speakers. I can't hear any improvement from anything else.
@chrispenn715
@chrispenn715 Год назад
@@LittleCar Yes - especially for me now I'm older and my ears aren't as sharp as they were 🙂
@dingo137
@dingo137 Год назад
Are you sure it's you that's gone wrong? I don't get this modern vinyl thing. Collecting old records or old record players, fine. But making new ones? It's like making a new car with points and a carburettor.
@Dazlidorne
@Dazlidorne Год назад
I consume music in nearly all it's formats. I stream when I want to hear random music. My entire CD collection is ripped and stored on both my computer and my phone. I still buy CDs from my favorite artists and bands. Finally, for the really special albums, I buy them on vinyl. People should consume music how they want, not just because the majority of people do it a certain way. You are right though, it's more of an event and experience when you listen to vinyl records. I feel the same way about books. I have a Kindle, but for my favorite books, I buy the hardback edition and keep in on a bookshelf.
@WUStLBear82
@WUStLBear82 Год назад
I don't think it was entirely snobbery; for the first several years CDs were a lot more expensive than LPs, and most people already had turntables with the best specs and styluses they could afford. At first there wasn't much advantage to analogue recordings on CD media, so why pay a lot more money for them? It made more sense to selectively spend on DDD recordings until they eventually became standard, by which time A/D conversion had also improved.
@jamesmanon3000
@jamesmanon3000 Год назад
As I recall McCartney in 1982 released his album Tug of War. It.was a digital recording.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 Год назад
I find it sad that the 3 letter indicator is not really being used much anymore, just like the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo... because i personally always found it interesting as it made the whole disc mastering a lot more transparent. And i always tried listening for some subtle differences between these various mixes. And i realized.... DDD CDs did not sound better per se. They were just a LOT more dynamic with a much much lower noisefloor. But i did (and still do) love the sound of ADD and AAD discs. Especially AAD since you can be sure it's basically an old original mix put on CD without any changes.
@lookoutleo
@lookoutleo Год назад
Interesting and you remember it that way, I remember it being the analogue was more "real" than digital recording . Strange how much it all changed then
@zhrob1
@zhrob1 Год назад
There is a fullness sound that I believe the ears can pick up on and I guess it comes down to listening to a quality analog or digital media systems. Opinions aside, we all hear differently, and although the supply chain do indeed play a role in influencing what you buy, if you find an analog or digital system that works for you and your happy, then stick with it and do not let others convince you of being discontent. I like both mediums.
@lookoutleo
@lookoutleo Год назад
@@zhrob1 I was talking about the 80s, I remember getting my first cd player in 84 and it was so clear the sound but I never replaced any of my vinyl as loved the clicks and pops , I do remember their being an attitude of cd is better because it's clearer and no clicks althou we were sold CDs as being ever lasting , I remember on TV watching them giving a baby a cd to bang on their table , then the organisers wiped it and played to show them being indistructable
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