Ableton: M2 Max vs M3 Max & Fan Noise? (REAL Projects)

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Two REAL Ableton Live projects showing the performance of the M3 Max MacBook Pro 16 Core. 48GB. In Ableton Live. Comparing one part with the M2 Max as well.
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-- Timeline --
0:00 - M2 Max VS M3 MAX in Ableton Live
1:39 - MacBook Pro M2 MAX Ableton Test START
2:28 - MacBook Pro M2 MAX Ableton Test Discussion
4:05 - MacBook Pro M3 MAX Ableton Test START
6:38 - MacBook Pro M3 MAX Ableton Test Discussion
6:58 - Ableton CRASH
8:29 - Diva & Multicore
9:23 - Diva Test Multicore: OFF
9:58 - Fan / Noise Discussion and Test
14:05 - Second Ableton Live Project Test START
16:52 - 8 Entire projects duplicated TEST
17:49 - MacBook Pro M3 Max: Good for Music Production?
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@Ganesh-op6wc 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this! Really helpful.

@Screaming-Trees 7 месяцев назад

Also, how much RAM do these big projects tend to use? That would be a useful thing to know.

@JudgeFredd Месяц назад

Interesting results !

@YangombiUmpakati 4 месяца назад

this is very helpful video, thanks. also cool music.

@bjornark 4 месяца назад

Thanks!

@tranceemerson8325 7 месяцев назад

also I really love your style man, your music ROCKS

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks man! Appreciate it. :)

@MrMukundas 7 месяцев назад

nice!!! thank you! this is exactly what i wanted to know) i noticed that ableton live is poorly optimized daw for mac as well as for pc also) it would be very interesting to know how m3 max operates using studio one daw. thank you!

@HomeStudioWannabe 7 месяцев назад

Great video! Thanks for making this one! I appreciate you testing out the fan noise. I ordered the 16 inch 14cpu 30 GPU core M3 Max MacBook. Im hoping it’s going to be a great mix of performance and “quiet” for music production in Logic Pro.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

You are welcome, good choice. I am sure you will be happy with it!

@mrbeats7434 7 месяцев назад

Thanks brother

@amos7458 7 месяцев назад

I’d be interested in seeing these tests in Live 12 when it comes out. Apparently it’s not crashing as much for people who are in the beta and I wonder if that means there’s other performance enhancements with the update. I know for myself upgrading to 11 from 10 was a huge step back in performance.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

I have it on pre-order so it will be interesting to see

@wasabi333 7 месяцев назад

I love and hate ableton. It’s so freaking slow. I’m learning Reaper. Might move to logic also.

@furiobisotti8150 7 месяцев назад

Useful test. I guess all synth tracks are left in MIDI. I saw pros translating everything in audio before mixing and mastering. Reason is obvious... Did you ever try?

@drowzzworks 7 месяцев назад

Will the 14” MBP M3 Max 14 core CPU 36gb Ram be sufficient? I know you have the 16 core CPU 48gb Ram. Just wondering should I order the same configuration you have as I will be keeping this laptop for 5-10 years. Coming from a 2013 MBP so it’ll be a great upgrade.

@Frankie_G_ 7 месяцев назад

thank you

@sid5537 7 месяцев назад

Awesome job again. I am curious how your project will do with 32 samples please

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! It did not work at all in 32 samples. 128, almost but a alot of crackling. 256, crackling here and there. 512 = ok.

@tronam 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for taking the time to do some proper audio production testing with the new M3 chips. What audio buffer size were you using in Ableton Live for these tests?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Forgot to mention that, sorry. Its on 512, lower buffer and it would barely work in this case.

@tronam 7 месяцев назад

@@bjornark That's interesting. For some reason on both my M1 and M2 Macs, Ableton Live seems to use more CPU at larger buffers and less at smaller ones, which seems contradictory. I can't explain it.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Yeah it says so on Abletons documentation as well. On Apple sillicon it works better at lower buffer sizes unless you have so much stuff you NEED to up the buffer.

@hombredelfuturo_888 7 месяцев назад

the problem could bring when recording with a condenser microphone and a slight fan noise

@DojoOfCool 7 месяцев назад

Have you tried the test without the performance monitor running and the screen capture app. From my past as a SysAdmin doing performance tuning and troubleshoot in servers we saw how performance monitor chewed up quite a bit of CPU too. The screen capture is probably chewing up CPU cycles too.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, its not taking up that much actually since OBS (screenrecording) is using hardware (GPU) to encode the video. Still its stealing some CPU cycles but not a lot.

@phantom_him 7 месяцев назад

Hey, thanks for the video. Which buffer size were you using on the M2?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

512 in this case

@MadelnMachines 7 месяцев назад

Great thanks for doing the comparison test. I didn't manage to see the M3 Macbook Max CPU meter % and the Ableton CPU % Meter - Do you have some numbers for this on the most intensive part of the song? On the M2 Max the audio buffer seemed to fail at 100% and on the M3 Max it seemed to hit a 74% maximum. Assuming the M3 max would also fail at 100% you're getting only 26% more performance? It was all at 32 samples wasn't it?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

The project ran at 512 samples. It did not work at all in 32 samples. 128, almost but a alot of crackling. 256, crackling here and there. 512 = ok.

@prcption8636 7 месяцев назад

I’m going for the 14inch M3 Max - 14core, coming from an 2018 MBP Intel Quad core but I’m very worried about the fans being an issue here. Can you offer some info on how much does it take to get the fans to kick on?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Yes, see my mixing video where I test this.

@Andrea.Zechmeister 7 месяцев назад

I have the samer time sometime, no worry i think sometime look low sounding Layers, I love more Sylenth1 its the best old low Keybords layers!

@davidcotton6999 6 месяцев назад

Track sounds great !!!

@bjornark 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@_kaeyos 2 дня назад

Thank you for your video! So after seeing it, I felt a bit of regret cause I literally bought an M2 max but the specs are 12-core CPU 38-Core 96gb, 2tb. Do you think that’ll be enough to handle big projects and plugins?

@Screaming-Trees 7 месяцев назад

How many Divas and other synths do you have running in that first project?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

9 - Diva 1 - OB-Xd 2 - Sylenth1 1 - Spire

@schuylerocean 7 месяцев назад

This is really helpful to see. I have my 2019 16” i9 MPB which kicks on its obnoxious fan when I open one instance of Omnisphere inside of logic with very few other things going on. I’m definitely considering moving to a 14” MBP, just trying to figure out which one to get. I do a lot of dance music production but also a decent amount of film focused composition, so a decent mix of sample libraries and software synths. Originally was thinking m3 pro, but after seeing your content I see what the top tier m3 max is capable of. This machine seems crazy capable.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! Remember that if you only do music production you might get more for your money getting a used 12-Core M2 Pro. It has more performance cores. If you want the most performance cores on the M3 you need to get the M3 Max.

@psysword 6 месяцев назад

Are you still going for the 14 inch model? I'm also tempted to do so.

@schuylerocean 6 месяцев назад

@@psysword leaning towards the M3 Pro. Want more battery life. The fans seem to be more prevalent on max. I don’t really think I’ll ever need Max. I think I’ll be happy w 12 core m3

@Teluric2 4 месяца назад

The i9 mac was hot in 2019.

@_yuuzo 2 месяца назад

Came for the fan noise, stayed for the music :)

@bjornark 2 месяца назад

❤️

@kaitracid3168 7 месяцев назад

Waiting for my 14 core M3max to arrive , will be interesting if it is lower in fan noise then the 16 core one. And how much less the power in a real project is.

@snubdawg1386 7 месяцев назад

please report here

@adl0815 7 месяцев назад

Getting that one as well, seems like a sweet spot regarding price vs. power. 💪

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

I am sure you will be satisfied with it. A solid choice.

@LucasCreativeTech 7 месяцев назад

I did a test on the 14 core. On high power Cinebench was 1360 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jfWsIqxQNK8.html

@lllCiTYlll 6 месяцев назад

Well, how is it ?

@josepuente8852 6 месяцев назад

Were you running Ableton Live in Rosetta or strictly Apple Silicon native?

@bjornark 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching. It was running in Apple Sillicon native.

@olleyollet 7 месяцев назад

beautiful beautiful song!

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thank you! 😊

@psysword 7 месяцев назад

More cores are always going to be a benefit. For ultimate music productions get as many cores as you can. GPU will not help as much as CPUs. Im also getting the 16/40/128gb 14 inch MacBook m3 max. Endgame for me till the end of time as far as I can see. Im also getting a 1055 apple trade in so it's something to sweeten the deal. thanks man. Great practical video and really helpful for sound designers.

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching, and I agree with the cores part. Especially if you have large projects.

@psysword 7 месяцев назад

tak!@@bjornark

@tranceemerson8325 7 месяцев назад

I imagine you left the buffer size the same, am I right?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Yes, it should be 512.

@Wainster 7 месяцев назад

I'm guessing that if your DAW of choice was Logic, you'd be completely fine with the performance from the M2 Pro, from all the results I've seen. But your M3 Max is certainly very impressive. Better for you to have too much power, compared to too little ;) Gr8 insight as always!!

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! Yes, maybe i will try to Mix in logic, export stems from Ableton and finish it in Logic :)

@Wainster 7 месяцев назад

@@bjornark :)

@D0x1511af 7 месяцев назад

beautiful melodic trance....

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks 😊😊

@FrediBach 7 месяцев назад

Just a side note, the M3 Ultra will not(!!!) double the performance. On the M1 and M2, the Ultra only added about 50% more performance. The interconnect just isn't able to scale performance linearly. The big advantage of the Ultra in the Mac Studio is fan noise, even on crazy projects, you wont hear it. (completely irrelevant on normal projects or if you produce with headphones)

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Ah, I stand corrected.

@AaronFigFront 7 месяцев назад

Depending on the tasks, M2 Ultra is more than 50%, it can be at best 70% better than the max version. M2 fixed some micro-architecture design flaws that M1 family had so that M2 can utilize resources much better.

@yashj8238 7 месяцев назад

So is m3 ultra laptop around the corner? I might postpone buying m2 max then

@ZhuJo99 7 месяцев назад

Great I found this! Although I'm absolutely stupid regarding audio and I work as web developer (and 3D as my hobby) this is a perfect real life example. Planning to get M3 Max 14" (14/30). I think it might become louder when GPU is used by with my use it wouldn't be an issue. This is a REAL testing, not those „reviewers“ running crazy benchmarks which have only one goal, to tax whole system to maximum. Which is out of touch with reality. I saw previous video of one guy in real Final Cut project and he has to do quite a lot to make fans spinning loudly, too. But FCP is mainly heavy on GPU

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

You have to push theese machines to 100% for an extended time until the fans kick on. Benchmarks have their place, but real tests are probably more interesting. Yes. Thanks for watching. 😊👍

@yashj8238 7 месяцев назад

Hey, I am also considering m3 max with my primary use case being programming. I absolutely hate any kind of ambient noise whatso, so will this be a good choice?

@yashj8238 7 месяцев назад

So unless you are throwing full on load to the system, the laptop would run absolutely silent, I mean dead silent?@@bjornark

@LetLifeLive517 6 месяцев назад

is it the M3 Max fan noise that can be heard in the back ground of the video while you speak?:)

@bjornark 5 месяцев назад

Hmmm, when? :D

@LetLifeLive517 5 месяцев назад

@@bjornark7:13 but so think it is just background noise, but would still like to know:) I have actually ordered a M3 Max, partly from watching your videos. I am upgrading from a MacBook Pro 2018 intel, so I am really excited and nervous to see how it handles Ableton Live and fan noise(2018 intel is so noisy)😊

@jomarcardoza95 4 месяца назад

I have Apple M3 Pro never dealt with fan issues, but am dealing with crashes and lag for small projects

@aaronlinsdaudesign4070 5 месяцев назад

For a fan noise test, putting the microphone to the computer to listen to the fan noise would be nice so we can actually hear it.

@gaweyn 3 месяца назад

he linked the video "MacBook Pro M3 Max: Mixing Workflow Performance (Ableton, Logic, Bitwig, Reaper)" go to 4:36 of that video

@gaweyn 3 месяца назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xDEDLBR_2Ss.html

@bjornark 3 месяца назад

@gaweyn Thank you for your service! 🫡

@givezaid 5 месяцев назад

Can I save the extra money and run these projects comfortably on M3 pro unbinned version?

@bjornark 4 месяца назад

Sorry, not quite following

@givezaid 4 месяца назад

@@bjornark I meant to ask.... Since these tests are unreal and you're showcasing how hard the laptop can be pushed. M3 pro should be more than enough for these projects to run smoothly?

@jomarcardoza95 4 месяца назад

As someone who is using Apple M3 Pro, i think theres a problem on Abletons side, I am running into alot of idling as in ableton will just stop and load if i just want to move a track around, zoom in/out, and also dealing with crashes. Keep in mind im not pushing ableton nearly as high as he is in this video, running a few tracks with no plugins at a higher buffer size is still causing these issues. Looks like we just have to wait until ableton releases some sort of fix for adaptability for newer M chips @@givezaid

@piangpiang8382 7 месяцев назад

kontakt？Can it be used?

@MadelnMachines 7 месяцев назад

I was also wondering kind of RAM usage are you seeing in your big audio projects? I'm not sure if 16gb is enough or whether it's wise to get at least 32gb.

@psysword 7 месяцев назад

I'm going 128 for endgame

@weirdcityboi 7 месяцев назад

What buffer settings?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Its on 512, lower and it wont work in this case.

@LBCAndrew 6 месяцев назад

So basically Apple is more worried about fan noise than the longevity of the very expensive computer you bought. I've spent the past 25 years building and repairing both PC's and MAC and i don't care what the company tells you, anything over 90'c is very hard on the hardware and 100'c is unthinkable. The hottest my Intel 16 core CPU gets is 65-70'c, but mine has a custom loop water (mostly glycol actually) cooling system.

@bjornark 5 месяцев назад

Yeah Apple have always been running ther sillicon near max TDP. Technically the CPU should work this way. But I agree with you, its too hot. However, Apple have gotten better in this regard compared to the 16-Inch Intel i9 fiasco for example.

@Teluric2 4 месяца назад

The thing here is just what techie said. If you put a capable cooler the mac wont look nice and they prefer to make the think good looking If you use a thermometer it will show 7 celsius colder because the metal case will insulate some degrees. Apple would be glad to see your mac gets fried. The fact that the fans are spinnkng doesnt mean they dont need to be cooled.

@jozedubre8446 7 месяцев назад

Good music

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! :)

@jozedubre8446 7 месяцев назад

@@bjornark Where are you from in Norway? I sometimes go to Bergen for work, doing web development for industry.

@trayoibry8246 7 месяцев назад

well this is how you test a processing power...tell somebody lonleyrocker how to...he tends to get offend by the comments on his Mac Studio Test video because his test didn't made sens but why stay objective when you can be a unforgiving crybaby ...well done dude

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Thanks, its not easy to test music production. A lot of different settings, a lot of different workflows out there. Thanks for watching! :)

@honeywine3330 7 месяцев назад

First

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Second :D

@kaitracid3168 7 месяцев назад

U-he said long time ago: Our multi core feature is optimized for Intel processors. Although it works on the M1 processors, it's currently not as efficient as on Intel machines. So far we found that there are only very few scenarios in which multi core would be needed on an M1. One scenario would be if you run at very high sample rates with very small buffer sizes, use high quality settings in Diva and play all available voices with long release times. In such a scenario, it can still be beneficial to overall performance to activate Diva's multi core button for this particular instance of Diva. The general rule for the multi core button on Apple's awesome Silicon machines is: No need for the multi core button in most situations, as host and system can handle the load easily. Only activate it selectively for particular, CPU intense instances that play lots of voices with high quality settings.

@snubdawg1386 7 месяцев назад

@@kaitracid3168 what about amd processors?

@bjornark 7 месяцев назад

Yes, this is what I mostly based my statements on in earlier videos. However it seems like: "Only activate it selectively for particular, CPU intense instances that play lots of voices with high quality settings." was the correct case of the first track in this video. Maybe when I did the benchmark videos the patch used on diva in the benchmark test was too simple so that the multicore button did not have any effect.