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Mtashed made a video about yours! He cites you and all :] but to be fair the algorhythm also blessed you haha, you were in my recommended yesterday. Keep up the great content! Loved this video c: and thank you for sharing
hey kokkygachas I would like to mention that havoc dreadmane is the best elite class to farm pity for elites as I think they spawn infinitely? I could be wrong but I've killed a lot of them already and never seem to ran out of them
Hey Kokky, I noticed something while farming echoes with your 50/50 method and wanted to tell you in case you wanted to check it out. At level 17 where the rate becomes 50/50 it seems like the echoes that drop alternate in 3/4s so basically from the bosses it's 3 purples in a row, sometimes 4 then 3 Golds in a row, this seemed to happen quite frequently as I farmed all day yesterday, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to test this
This video: - straight to the point and less than 10 mins - contains actual useful info - backed up by numbers I just got my first usable electro dmg heron thanks to this. subbed!
Refreshing to have new information to add to the discussion rather than the same info posted 10 times by the same 10 creators. No shade to them, you do what you gotta for the algorithm, but very nice work regardless.
Its good info, but practically speaking actually not so crazy and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want, since you can absolutely can get 2 echoes of Monster A back to back, as well as when you go to build pity on Monster B, and it's not a strict 1 every 4 kills. For boss monsters, I suppose this would be somewhat faster, but also more tedious, as instead of doing something else like farming other echoes while the boss is respawning, you have to teleport somewhere else, and spend effort fighting a boss that gives you nothing, then come back. During my testing I found that by the time I was done killing the 2nd boss and teleport back to the first, the first hadn't respawned yet, so I still had to wait. This plus the fact that you can also get 2 boss echoes in a row on the same boss (first try is a legit 20%), makes you wonder if it's worth going back and forth. The 2nd boss can also ruin your "pity". It is useful if you hate coop.
@@michaelblue4619 no no there are ways to exploit it : First for overlord and calamity boss it basically means that the drop rate isn't 20% but between 40 and 50% which is HUGELY better as for elite class, there are mobs that are worse to farm than other, but you still wanna farm the less worth it ones, for instance : Let's say i'm building an Encore team and a Havoc Rover team, then i need fusion and havoc mobs, there's the havoc dreadmane which can drop both, so what i can do is farm any Havoc or fusion elite mob, and whenever i see that i missed 3 in a row, i focus an havoc dreadmane.
@@michaelblue4619 wait you're right this is kinda useless lmao for both 3 and 4 cost actually. It would be useful if the mobs werent infinite with coop but you can just kill the same mob instead of building pity which is a risk + the 4 cost are easy enough to get
@@michaelblue4619 I would actually say the elite drop pity more useful in a lot of circumstances. For example, currently I am farming two havoc sets for Havoc Rover and Danjin. What's been happening the past couple of days is that I have pretty much cleared the entire map of havoc drops and yet havent gotten anything useful. So, in this case, I can go kill elites that I'm not specifically targeting but wouldnt mind getting in between my targeted elites. For example, on my way over to the roseshrooms I'll kill a couple of monkey along the way. Sure, there will be times that your "pity" is ruined but this still doesn't lower the drop rates for the Havoc set. Especially since the drop rates outside of pity is fairly low at 20%, I think the strategy of killing just two elites after a drop before going back to your targeted elite can make farming much more streamlined. Takes a much longer time, yes, but if you're limited by the number of mobs that you are trying to farm this pity manipulation is a godsend. Edit: with coop its a lot less useful, but that said I think strategically killing elites when you are traveling from pack to pack will definitely help a fair bit still. For bosses, this also is useful since right now we can optimize boss kill times to be so fast you can go kill another boss and come back before the first boss respawns. So, I could kill lampy, if he drops an echo I go kill monkey before he lampy respawns and hopefully monkey doesn't drop echo. If monkey doesn't drop echo, my next lampy is guaranteed. If monkey does drop echo, nothing lost anyway since I would be waiting for lampy to respawn regardless.
@@nenrikido2903 For overlord and calamity boss, knowing pity exists wont change anything because you will still get the same number in a farming session. I guess the benefit is you can feel better and not scared of farming knowing it's not 20% haha. For Elite class, why farm something you don't want first? If you have infinite time in a day I suppose you can farm all the not important ones instead of the important ones first, but you can also coop and farm dreadmane alone all day. Farming one monster to extinction already takes quite some time daily.
@@syllanchan4528 Yes, but every class has their own pity count, so basically just disconnected. There are commons (with pity 8), there are elites (with pity 4), there are overlords (with pity 2, those are your normal field bosses like crownless) and calamities (with pity 2, those are your weekly bosses like dreamless). For bosses, basically everytime you don't get a drop, you are guranteed one next time.
@@suony450920% drop rate --> 50/50 chance to drop gold at DB 18 --> right main stat --> having enough exp (Goodluck with that) --> rolling the right substats are a whole different story : D
If this is true, then this will completely change how popularised rng gear systems works in gacha games, players now would expect a sort of pity in gear system I certainly wouldn't wanna play a gacha game without a pity for its gear system in the future.
noticed the same thing today farming bosses, crazy how there's not more people talking about it yet haha. love the 3 cost tech of using pity on the ones you're after! also i've seen people discuss a potential bug with the 15 pity a week, making your drops guaranteed on certain bosses but now i believe its just this mechanic doing its thing and not a bug after all?
The 15 pity isnt a bug at all lmao, its a exhanced drop rate for bosses you get every week, the first 15 bosses have an increased drop rate of 80% instead of 20% if you are databank level 18, if you are databank level 20 then its 100% instead. This information is in the databank level up screen
came from the link on someone's vid covering your discovery to say amazing work noticing it and properly testing it before making a video about it, so thanks for the hard work!
Hey I just noticed something too! When farming the Hoochief for my Jiyan, I kept getting the sets alternating. Like for the 5 stars it's usually Aero, Healing, Aero, Healing. Tho I cannot completely confirm it, I think it's worth testing too!
@@haruyanto8085 i will love kuro games if there's actually a pity system in this echoes, it makes me want to farm more due to the fact that i will get my desired sets lmao
I can actually check the sets i got based on the time i got the echo. Will report back if i get the time to do that Edit: I didn't notice any pattern as I gotten duped sets in consecutive drops but it might be a bigger pattern though I think it might not be as meaningful as the main roll is still the main stat roll
It's actually not that great and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want.
@@michaelblue4619 It's actually a scientific approach to echo farming. Since he waa able to show us data and probability, it's more efficient than going around the map to hunt and not getting yung desired 3cost echo.
@@michaelblue4619Yeah but you don't use up the limited 3 cost echoes that you ACTUALLY want and actually get more chance to roll for better main stat and echo set. Its not useless
@@michaelblue4619 the idea is that you want to guarantee you get the echo you want. even if monster B drops u dont want to take that chance on the echos you do want. you build the pity and make sure u 100 percent of the time get the echo u want. I believe this method does take longer but it removes the rng of farming a specific echo. plus you can use monster B echo into crafting other echos or even pick a monster that you dont mind getting but do not prefer it over the monster A.
@@whyvern6817 But most of the time when you farm echoes, you wont make it to the 4 pity. Just try it yourself. The probability of getting at least one echo from 3 units is around 50%. You could also get 3 echoes from 3 units. You just end up spending alot of time farming echoes you don't really want. Alternatively you can just join coop and farm the one you actually want all day. I guess it's just the amount of time you have to play a day versus the limit of monsters (that can be removed if you coop).
@@OkSear Dreamless boss isn't on a respawn timer and she's instanced. This means you can set her level to easy (40?), enter her instance, kill her, and port out. Repeat without waiting on the standard 3 minute boss respawn timer and she's significantly easier being able to adjust her level but maintain the same echo system.
This was sooooo informative and is going to be so useful for echo farming moving forward. Thank you so much for your research, and I'm almost 100% certain your work will have a big impact on the community in the next few days!!
From what I understood (for those who dont understand): Say you want a 3 star echo A. You will have to fight other 3 star echoes B, C, D and hope they don't drop and come to A again in the fourth time. That way you have a guarenteed echo drop on A. If B, C or D drops then you have to fight 2 other 3 star echoes and hope they don't drop and then return to A. For example, you want A. You fight B and don't get a drop. However, you fight C and get a drop. So now you have to fight D, E, F and hope to not get a drop and then return to A. That way you get a guarenteed drop on A.
this would be inefficient though, because it'll always have a chance to drop before the 4th one, so just keep farming the one you need. if you kill the one you need 3x, just make sure you dont waste the guaranteed echo drop with a random on your 4th kill
Just wonder, why not just keep farming A? What's the difference of keep farming A vs farm B, C, D, E, F to camp pity then fight A? Afterall it's possible to get A consecutively too right? In that case if I want A, might as well keep farming A?
@@888lkw no bc first of all, the 3 star echoes are only limited and resets after a day so basically if you wanted to keep on farming on A echoes then all of them would be gone before you can even get all their echoes, so by this pity system, farming B, C, D, E, and F, you'd have 100% chance on getting the echoes from A, and no you can't get A's consecutively, at least what the data says
Does it apply to the boss section? Bosses like Crownless, Dreamless, Turtle and so on? I did not get the boss part and your explanation is very simple and understandable. Thanks
hey man, just wanted to say i appreciate your video. it's short, informative, is actually tested to certain extent, goes straight to the points and doesn't drag on and on and on and ends up getting sidetracked, like most other videos. im not throwing shades, its fun sometimes but there are times where you just one strictly info only, and this is one of those moments. thanks again man
Dude this info is a god send! You single handedly just saved so much time for everyone who plays the game farming for echos. We will remember you well!
Really great find, especially knowing you can manipulate the 3* ones since they don't respawn every minute like the bosses do, gonna make target farming much easier. Great video!
crazy how the last video I saw of you was your farewell video on Ragnarok Origin Global. Very helpful discovery that would absolutely help everyone who watches your video!
I love how in every game, players use good ol' SCIENCE to figure out the mechanics and optimal results for their games. This is good data and very useful information for that hardcore minmaxing echo grinding. Concise and well explained. Thank you for all your time; this is truly an incredible contribution to the community.
Thank you for this information mr Kokky. I know about the overlord monster one but didn't know about the Elites. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING (true to some extent)
This is funny because it made me think my game was bugged at one point. I did a rotation of turtle>monkey>heron. The heron would barely ever drop, I went 10 rotations with no drop on heron. Then when I did Heron twice in a row it dropped.
TBH I had discovered this yesterday with a friend. we ran Feilian/Heron/BeBo and it was always 50/50 for Bebo wich makes sense and Feilian NEVER dropped for me but my friend and then Heron the exact oposite. It was so strange. We ran our circle the other way and it fricking flipped.
I had a similar experience on all overload bosses besides specifically crownless, maybe because u need to summon crownless, idk but crownless always felt like 10-30% drop rate.
Soft pity starts at 65 and ramps up from there, by 70, it's probably around if not more than 25% chance of winning, there's also a soft pity for every 10 pulls, starting at 7, the closer to 10, the higher the chance of being 4 star or above
This is great information to know and I think it explains why it took me 3 hours to get a purple whiff whaff... I was fighting everything I ran across in between running to whiff whaffs
I noticed the 50% pattern of bosses when I was farming Dreamless, but I just assumed it was a bug (considering all the other bugs atm that made sense to me), but I never thought it could be a pity system and work on all mobs as well. Really nice video!
I don't know if this is pure coincidence or bug but, I get more gold echo when I absorb them with the MC. It doesn't matter who kill the monster, as long as you swap to MC and absorb, the chance to get gold is higher.
Oh this is explains why wind monke kept dropping echoes but I couldn't for the life of me get any impermanence heron drops, I was alternating between the two lol.
Thank you, this confirm my suspicion. I was farming Rider>Bell>Heron in that Order, and malding because Rider never drop stuff, meanwhile Heron keep dropping gold, and the turtle keep dropping me Purple once in a while. At first I thought the pattern is No drop>Purple>Gold, turn out there is a pattern but different for each class, and I somehow got lucky with my 7 Gold Heron
Welp that's just crazy, I just used the method you mentioned for farming my 1 cost echos and got the stats I needed for my complete Spectro Rover build 💀😂 It hurts because I was farming them for 8 hrs and I pull the 2 ,1 cost stats I needed in 10 mins 😭😭😭
this indeed helps narrow down the farming a lot , but then i cant really lvl them up cause of materials, but i guess this indeed can help with Reroll process a lot more !
SO I WAS RIGHT??? I mean I thought it was a coincidence at first, but I kept farming the Crownless but then I only always get the echo on the even numbered (2,4,6,8,10...) kill. Though I didn't know the 3-star echo also had a system.
I noticed this pattern when I was farming for Dreamless and Bell-Borne. I thought someone must have discovered this long ago but I'm not too sure. It did expedited my Echo farming on both bosses, lol. Also, glad you mentioned the class difference since when I switched from Dreamless (Calamity) - Bell-Born (Calamity) to Dreamless (Calamity) - Ghost Rider (Overlord), it didn't work, lol.