Accident Case Study: VFR into IMC 

Don't forget about the Delta crew that also tried to help. This pilot that died had a death wish attitude.

He was clearly determined to kill himself, wasn’t he? At least he didn’t take his family and friends with him-unlike most of these accident case studies where the pilot’s poor judgment costs...well, everything. Everything.

Indeed! Compared to the other ATC from this series, we really can't point the finger at anyone here. They tried to get the guy to give up several times. And he was already more than illegal when flying 300 feet above. I don't understand this one!

@@LeantoPeak he was rolling the dice. People do it. What i hate is when people see behavior they don't understand, their knee-jerk reaction is to create some law.

@@ivanabcdefg9375 well he was way past illegal on this one, not sure how more laws could have helped him. May he RIP.

lol

So sad too, because no one needs to lose their life this way.

That was funny but had relevancy for the situation. Love the Migs part.

ATC: “There is actually 2 hurricanes converging along your flight path, wind variable at 150G200KT..... also reports of softball size hail. There is heavy volcanic ash and a solar eclipse over you path, it will be dark for 2 min.” Pilot: “I can still see the road here, let me just fly over and check it out, maybe I’ll turn around if it looks too bad.”

LOL!

I keep watching these horrifying tales expecting that outcome but no, it's always a date with the dirt at 200mph. Oh the humanity.

It's great to point this out, because as much as you think that people would understand this, clearly some reminders are needed.

😢

If only . . .

Some people just don’t get it, and roll the dice throughout their lives. Some live, some die. But they will consider only the stories of the ones who live. They’ve adopted the “It always happens to someone else” attitude and the sad thing is, they don’t even realize they’re doing it. RIP.

That quote will stick with me for a good long while, great story

sounds like a hollow life

I'm a sailor with tens of thousands of miles and decades under my keel. I love the "Shall we leave this to more expereinced pilots" quote! Seems like I'm always trying to talk new sailors on the dock out of putting to sea in dicey conditions. They simply don't understand the power and fury the sea is capable of unleashing, even with a GOOD forecast. The only times I'll take on such conditions is if A) I'm sea-trialing / shaking down my boat for a long passage after making numerous upgrades that require testing in strong conditions, or B) I'm caught out in them unexpectedly. Prudent seamen avoid bad weather when possible. Fools charge out into it thinking they are invincible. Sooner or later, they get their asses handed to them by the sea. I watch these air-accident videos because I figure I still have a lot to learn about safety, and especially the mindset and preparation that creates it.

@@TheWilliamHoganExperience My advice from my true story : I lived in a Port town when Hurricane Bob showed up. My friend's 40 foot wooden sailboat was on a mooring a short drive from the Bar that I lived above. It stayed open, got busy that night and my friend and his friend were there, called me to join them then wanted my help "to check the boat". I found that a bit odd but trusted them. The protected Harbor was rather calm but dark. The boat looked fine except we saw just one side. Now these clowns "want help" paddling to it to check the other side. Still trusting what they said, I joined them. Next we boarded the boat but now these 2 clowns slip the mooring and put out. When I ask what they're doing he tells me that they're going to take it out. I looked at them like they're idiots and reminded them that a Hurricane has come to town and they only think that they are smarter than meteorologists. We just clear the Jetty and you can see a Coast Guard vessel at the mouth of the nearby river apparently assisting a larger ship. We're now in 8 to 10 foot swells in a wooden sailboat with a diesel that had a history of stalling and not restarting for a long while... and both of them had experienced that several times. Having lived near the sea, it turned out to be less rough than I thought it would be but the 2 guys who tricked me into all of this began to panic. We got back okay because they kept their heads but I was pretty angry that after ignoring me, they decided the sea, in a hurricame, was too rough. My advice for you when you pick a crew or are picked for a crew is this : The "don't worry" crowd is not a group to rely on. They are not prepared. It was a surprise for me given that the engine of that 40 ft sailboat had quit on a different trip, just offshore from some rocks. It started and ran again after all their efforts either worked or the flooded carburetor had enough time to drain. Either way the results were; no panic, no outside help and we resumed the trip. Those 2 guys were the same people with me for Hurricane Bob and I lost a lot of respect for both of them being so deliberately foolish and then suddenly; more worried than me. That's where they seem to match this Pilot in this video. My guess is that previous trips to the same destination had worked before and so, no more prepared than perhaps previous flights, this guy tried again and he was remarkably close to his destination yet along the way, the option he kept talking about (turning around) ended as he began following the interstate through the valley. When finallly, he turned back he had zero visibility, he lacked visual references and was surrounded by rising terrain, dropping ceiling and precipitation/likely icing conditions. Too late for anything but a landing on the Interstate where there was hopefully no overpass. All along his route he ignored the advice of more experienced people (with regard to the weather). He finally changed his mind far later than the 2 idiots I went unintentionally sailing with. But they (and I) lived.

@@TheWilliamHoganExperience Well its it the old saying, isn't it? "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots".

And that's their #1 job. Relay as much information as possible to the pilot and let them make the decision. They even went above and beyond advising him FOUR separate times not to fly VFR into Provo/Spanish Fork but he just wanted to "take a peek" and "slide back out" if there's trouble. Arrogance cost him his life.

Absolutey! Hope for many more..

I want more

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conqururfear I meant to tag you and @djchemical above

The suspense if my favorite part.

I do ilt I like tturtles

he could have landed on one. in 1991 over Lewiston, ME, i got trapped on top in IMC. Found a hole and landed safely on a farmers grass field.

Or, "I follow railroads." I soloed in 1968 and heard both of them.

“Ignoring flight rules”.

pity he didnt set down on one, but his mind was set on getting there it seems

He took a peak alright

You should tone down the arrogance, simmer. This man’s death gave you the gift of thinking that his ADM mistake was “obvious.”

@@banjo2019 You should tone down the arrogance, actually... He was told before he ever took off that his flight was not advised, and how many different controllers, flight service, and other aircraft, told him that he was making a fatal mistake attempting what he attempted? He showed his arrogance in other facets as well, if you take a wider look at it -- he attained his commercial and was not a low-time pilot, but apparently didn't think he needed his instrument rating, because he could just "pick his way along" mere hundreds of feet above the ground, in mountainous terrain? This man's death gave a crystal clear look of why VFR pilots should never fly anywhere near IMC, if the fact that VFR into IMC has been and will likely remain the #1 killer in aviation didn't make that completely obvious.

One of my favorite kills. This guy ticks me off with his arrogance and stupid phrases like "pick my way along" and "slide in there and take a peek" all with his cowboy accent. His best contribution to society is his death account.

Where did you get the METAR?

LOL, yes, that's one of my favourites. Along with Santa plastered on the nose of a 747 with one pilot asking the other how they're going to explain this to their kids.

Mine is the helo pilot looking down on the castaway where part of the letter "P" has been lost, and the pilot radios, "No, cancel that; I guess it says 'HELF'"

@@WendelltheSongwriter What does that mean?

JW K exactly

lol this gave me flash backs

Or that he didn't crash on the highway, leading to more innocent lives being lost. Dangerous fool.

​@@canadianroot Came here after Kobe accident.

@@nofurtherwest3474 this is an almost identical situation as the Kobe crash, except that in this case the pilot was trying to avoid IMC all the way till he crashed, whereas in the Kobe case, the pilot, most likely, knowing that he was instrument rated, tried to climb into the clouds to avoid the terrain, but still crashed because he became spatially disoriented and lost control of the craft. In the end, it was the same result! Also, In the accident involving Kobe, even though the pilot was instrument rated, he was most likely not instrument *_current._* Instrument skills are highly perishable, and that is why one needs to be practice them on a regular basis, and there are Instrument currency rules as to how often that needs to be done! Besides that, the sudden transition from VFR to IFR, when faced with IMC, very likely caught him off guard, causing him to be disoriented!

@@747-pilot I see, thanks. I wonder in this case, why didn't the pilot just emergency land on the freeway? I know it would not have been ideal, maybe would have caused an accident, but wouldn't that have been his best option?

Average intelligence is quite stupid, and this clown was very average. What a shame to destroy a perfectly good airplane.

rofl

@@mattscrapper9938 “Sir! You are going to die!” “Wont we all” The stone will say: He died doing what he liked, sadly...

"Yeah I think I'll just slide on in there and check that out"

I seriously wonder if this pilot was suicidal. His nonchalance towards so many warnings about bad conditions is worrying.

"I'll just pick my way along, and if I get close to dying I'll slip right out of death."

I was about to say the same thing. So many people tried to save his life, but he wasn't having any of that.

Picking his way along

I've actually done something similar. I and some of my collogues spent a few weeks trying to help somebody get himself out of a hole. He didn't listen. On the up side, he didn't die, he just got himself kicked out of the Navy. I still wish he would have listened to us.

Suicidal ??

monster truck

Or make an emergency landing...

Or landed on the highway and followed the posted speed limit until he got to his destination.

@@phapnui Can you imagine the poor cop that has to pull him over, scratching his head and thinking, "What's the statute on this?"

@@Tindometari "shit, he got the weed card, can't do much."

Nothing fit the controllers to feel bad about. This idiot basically committed suicide.

Yeah, why do we allow people who don’t have instrument ratings to fly airplanes? In this case, no one else got injured, so I don’t care, but there’s numerous cases where they’ve crashed in the houses on the ground and killed people on the ground. What is the FAA thinking?

Dumb comment. People make bad mistakes, didn't you know Robert?

@@johnkuipers7829 Then there are a lot of 'dumb comments' on here. There are bad mistakes and there are fatal mistakes that could have been easily avoided had you just listened.

That really might help! Had a discussion with a pilot about deicing the plane or not. When the flight was ready for departure, I said: "Bye for now, see you at the end of the Runway!" - The aircraft got deicing...

Excellent comment. Thks guy is my favorite AOPA kill.

@@johnkuipers7829 Robert's comment was not dumb. The pilot was told FOUR TIMES to not do what he was doing (and I believe by 3 different parties). This pilot clearly knew more than everyone else...turns out he was just plain dead wrong...pun intended.

Sadly i have several times and each time they end the same as this tragedy.😜

I have. A non ifr pilot CHOSE to fly his helicopter into ifr while the chopper was on the ground. Waiting it out inside the helicopter was the perfect choice. Two dead, one seriously injured.

If there's much left of him to bury

@@RobertJamesChinneryH EMS,and other responders "picked up pieces of him along the way"

Here lies N1254Z He picked his way along"

He asked that the pick be buried along with him.

Either that or "He slid in but he didn't slide back out"!

a lot of advising, but not much controlling land of the free stuff I suppose, who are they to tell the pilot not to kill himself?

@@yarpos At the end of the day, ATC aren't the ones flying the aircraft. They can't force him to do anything, just strongly advise against it.

It’s called “VFR flight following” and is a service available to all pilots just for the asking. Thing is, after watching this slow-motion train-wreck-in-the-air unfold, I will be damned if I can figure out why he ever bothered to request it. All he did was needlessly waste precious ATC and pilot resources and traumatize all involved in trying to help him. smh

@@leilanirocks hell even vfr flight following was useless due to his low altitude effecting the receiver. thats why he was unreachable at a certain point of the flight. even needing to daisy link the message to another flight that could reach him. they wouldnt be able to do vfr flight follow is the point

Good one

😁 oh gosh

Pete Kuhns - I just took medical retirement from a long term employer that operated in such a wreckless manner, resulting in numerous OTJ injuries, some deaths and a bizarre property damage rate. The 'get'er done' mindset was/is so extreme I felt it be a corporate 'mental illness'. On top of a declining personal income due to are best paying work being increasingly farmed out, we had to put up with a bit of 'social engineering' in regard to sexual orientation, political and race issues. Those of us who wanted common sense practices and corporate accountability were/are nothing more than 'haters', 'probable nazis', 'homophobes', 'Trump Supporters' (my favorite!) and the usual labels typically used in attempts to intimidate. My health suffered greatly; attorneys were brought in and the state labor board ruled in my favor. Came away with a bit of cash, SSDI and looking at early retirement in less than 6 months. Forgive me for writing a book but I see (and have lived through) these situations all too often, especially in aviation accidents.

I have been a clear wx pilot for years...if I see a cloud within 20 miles...I stay on the ground... (: kidding aside,this guy should have known better to do this.

Pete Kuhns your overuse of hyphens is mildly annoying

Pete Kuhns It wasn’t his lack of IFR ability or currency that finished his flight, it was his lack of VFR ABILITY. Leaving aside questions of legality for a moment, it was probably reasonably possible for him to continue VFR and make it by putting about 20* of flaps down-- for better forward visibility, and lower stall speed. Then descend as much as necessary to merely keep the road in sight while in slow flight-- say 50’ above it ( to avoid any semis’ on it). Wires are another matter, if any, but he’s hanging it out here anyway. If the road was closed there’d be no traffic , so he could have just taxied on after landing ( as another commenter mentioned!) No , just kidding! But continuing , seriously for a moment, as long as he had the road in sight and continued in COORDINATED FLIGHT with an airspeed that gave him reasonable protection against gusts, he’d probably have made it. If he’d slipped the turns he would slip onto the road- - If he skidded them he would skid into the trees or canyon walls or whatever the lateral obstacles were at the time.I doubt icing was a problem for him, because the precip seemed to be already frozen.

@@davidwhite8633 You are suffering from the same kind of thought process that killed this pilot. You are replacing the fact that sometimes zero visibility can reach to ground level with your desire to have some visibility above ground level that would allow flight to continue.

Erik Wagner • Not to mention icing.

I thought the same.

Erik Wagner yes try to land on the road worry about the consequences later at least you'll still be alive

That was his last out, yes. But he had plenty before - starting from not even taking this journey with those weather reports to landing at Evanston (9:37) where he already was flying way low to stay VFR, but could've made the airport no problem...

His arrogance wouldn't allow him to do that.

or you could have been direct instead of asking a trick question

@@amandam1137 It's not enough to just know the correct answer. You need to know WHY it's the correct answer, and what can/will happen as a result of those decisions.

@@Username-2 Correct, it’s real-world Scenario-Based training, which is commendable. Very good instruction.

@@amandam1137 This was not not a trick question... he was picking his student's brain about the his thought process that needs to go into the ADM process... This is an excellent real world situation and I'm sure the student learned from that. Putting all of the individual rules and safety practices into play with a real world flight is the best kind of learning moment from new students.

"Hold my beer! Watch this!"

@@Brian-kl1zu Your the pilot, why should someone have to hold your beer? Does your personal , private aircraft not come with cup holders?

@@jamesm3471 🙄

ATC should have told him Harrison Ford was flying towards him, he'd have gotten the hell outta there.

yeah that's exactly it...that line means there's something wrong with his aviation philosophy. it's sad to see that kind of stubborness, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

"If there's any trouble I'll slide right out of it." gary bulwinkle my thought was drugs or money but you may be right too. There is an illicit reason behind his madness.

@@knowsmebyname I wonder if they found anything illicit in the wreckage of that aircraft? Or was he going to Spanish Fork to pick up something illicit?

Dying to get to work, eh?

Yeah. Give him a shovel to go with that pick.

@@knowsmebyname The full NTSB report does not mention any "illicit reason" by any wording in its report, neither did The Billings Gazette, which reported on the accident and named the victim and his surviving wife and kids. It's a good theory but not borne out by the investigators. EDIT 25 Jan 20: @Lerxstification I quoted your words to an inmate in our local women's jail, as she sat there picking scabs resulting from her meth use. "I guess you'll just pick your way along to the grave."

some guys wanna not be alone or something... it definitely was his choice the whole time

hi old fart

@@douglasdaniels1521 The voice of experience.

I always say, look for reasons NOT to fly, instead of the other way around. It helps.

In a car you might also need to cancel your trip in bad weather. In the conditions mentioned in the article, I would probably not even drive.

Let's say you're not IFR trained. You lose visibility and climb into the clouds. Contact tower. They will vector you out of the IMC right? And even if you're not IFR rated, you should be able get above the terrain and hand fly to the heading given I'm assuming... just wonder why VFR pilots going into IMC don't ask for help...

Probably a pride thing. Im the man i can fly blindfoled with one arm tied behind my back i can handle Zero visibility white out conditons by zigzagging over drivers on a highway only 100 feet above their heads i got this im da man.

@@mikedavis7065 A non- instrument trained pilot won't be able to even keep the plane upright in an extended soup run trying to follow a vector. Most untrained pilots start entering a spiral dive within seconds in true zero vis. The limited instrument time for a private pilot license is really zero help.

I flew with a guy that was sort of like that--although he was an IFR-rated pilot, and (at one time) was a great stick. Then he busted minimums one too many times, and flew into high terrain. He was bold, but didn't grow old.

@@markyashchyshyn2647 Im curious about this, if you stick to your compass and your artificial horizon wouldn't you be able to keep the plane level? or is it that the confusion is too great to let you stick to the instruments only?

What??? You're joking, right?

That would probably have safer than what he did. He could have taxied into a service station and had a hamburger

Thats what I would do, if I see no other way to survive this I would land this fking plane down the highway or ditch it somewhere along the highway, and take my chance rather than flying blind in the snowstorm.

zero00tolerance land on the highway, thus involving innocent third parties in your life decisions. Not exactly Libertarian is it?

@@UncleBoratagain I understand where you going with this, and yes safety of others on the ground is also a must, however this is a small aircraft flying in the snowstorm, all vehicles on the ground are going slow and distanced out, so im pretty sure it will give enough room for the pilot to land safely without hurting anyone. There are plenty of videos of aircraft landing on the highway even the busy ones. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nOdrXJprYCw.html

You hit it on the head there: "previous scud-running experience". We can't know for sure if that was the case, but this WX was so awful and he was so calm and nonchalant about flying in it. The most likely explanation is that he flew like that frequently and was comfortable with it. He also maintained control of the airplane up to the last minute. His Bonanza was a very capable IFR platform so it's plausible he had been teaching himself to use the instruments to aid his scud-running.

The simplest thing he could have done was just set it down on the highway and skid off into the shoulder I'm sure traffic was light enough to get a big space between cars. I have en on that highway before and there are long straightaways with lots of room set it down he would have to admit was was wrong.

thats just what I was thinking, why not land on the hgwy? part of the problem I think is that the more a person does something w/o any problem the more false confidence they have that nothing bad will happen... until it does

This was a desperate man IMO. There is a backstory here of a man up to no good and believing himself to be without options IMO.

Landing on a road could be dangerous. Did he not have the option of increasing altitude into the cloud above the level of the terrain, and heading towards the nearest airport with good enough weather conditions that he could land there?

That's so true. My minimums are very conservative, I'm not taking stupid risks. I only fly into strong winds with an instructor.

@@eldrugoalex That's a reasonable approach (no pun intended). During primary helicopter training in Texas, we were soloed after 10-12 hours of flight time and spent rest of time solo cross country. About 3rd solo cross country, I encountered winds so strong, I was flying backwards trying to reach the heliport. Changing altitude no help, so I ended up tacking like a sailboat to make it back. A few years after that, I finished university degree and burned off rest of GI bill by transitioning into fixed wing. So easy after flying Cobra helicopters, and I was soloed after 2 hours instruction. When I took off the numbers were challenging yet doable. By the time I made my downwind leg, winds picked up. All my landings had been done with full flaps and when I was close to landing, a gust picked me up into a stall and I pushed in the throttle, got some control and called for a go around. As I started the pattern, the tower asked me if I wanted to go to another airport but winds were not much better at the closest one. My instructor called from the tower and advised me to bring it in hot with no flaps and that did the trick.

@G Galilei You would be foolish to stick with a complacent one. Unless you have a death wish. Complacency is the key issue.

@G Galilei You got that wrong on many levels. 2 Northwest Airline pilots had their licenses revoked for complacency in the cockpit, using their ipads for nonessential stuff resulting in overflying their intended airport by 150 miles. And obviously, you never spent time in a cockpit on a long flight. Due to automation, pilots have less to do. You probably think that commercial pilots wake up one day and fly for the airlines. How do you think they build up hours to be hired? I guess you fail to think and that makes you the fool.

It's really scary that not only did the Flight Service warn him about the bad weather conditions, and ATC multiple times through them selves as well as through Delta. Always the best to not go when they recommend against VFR, he could've easily done the flight another day. =(

In a canyon is not a good place to try to execute a 180 degree turn. One does not think about the radius necessary to perform that maneuver at flying speeds. Even if you set it up correctly under good condition, it is a bad flying choice, but when the weather has closed in on you, well, RIP. Somewhat tongue in cheek: If you own an airplane and want to do something stupid like this, do us a favor and sign the plane over to me and stay home. I'll take good care of it for you and you will live another day.

He was actually measured by radar flying just 100 feet AGL.

Laron Woods Just gotta get my proton torpedos in the exhaust port. Then we can blow this thing and head for home.

indeed, the farther in he got, the less able he was to turn around. A chandelle would have been an appropriate 180° maneuver, but he apparently lacked the skills for that and the IMC that would result.

He was flying even closer to the ground, unable to see the highway otherwise. Visibility was probably less than 100 feet. The police mentioned, called it total white-out conditions.

As the USPS drills into you, all accidents are preventable.

If not this flight, this was his destiny

exactly

Thankfully in a way he didnt try- he probably would have killed some innocent motorist(s).

We all know that.

How can this ever seem reasonable in any way whatsoever? I really do not understand the thinking behind that.

@@rogerwilco2 I'm a young private pilot. I get scared when there are some scattered clouds on my altitude, at 10000 ft

SMaze17 • That's precisely the problem. He wasn't.

I also feel that you can not obtain a commercial ticket without having an instrument rating.

That is really weird. A commercial rating without IFR. But what do I know, I'm not a pilot but my two sons are.

numerous professionals aren't instrument rated. aerial applicators (crop dusters) typically go straight for the commercial and add it on later

Hey, I'm on Craigslist, don't say nothin' bad about Craigslist, I'm hot and horny. And that's not an Adam's apple, if that's what you're thinkin.....

who the fuck drinks more to get sober?

Use Martingale betting to get out of losing streaks. In Martingale you bet your total losses. So lets say you lose 10 bucks, you bet 10. You lose that too, now you bet 20. If you lose that too, then you bet 40 and so forth. Idea being that you will recuperate all your losses in one win. Hope you got deep pockets tho.

@@rykehuss3435 I have a better idea. Quit after losing the 10. Radical idea, I know...lol

how about being more assertive , like closed to VFR flight, licence cancellation if continued. Other people risk their necks going out to find these people and get scarred by dealing with the accident site carnage.

@@yarpos ATC is not the sky police. They can't decide anything for a GA pilot.

"Is there any clear path between the poo poo, caca and poopy? If not, can you give me a recommendation on reciprocal course to my origination or direct to origination? I have absolutely no inclination to becoming coexistent with the spacetime below the surface of the earth at the present time" Because, picking one's way along, peak to peak, on VFR and the peaks are IMC is the surest way to become coexistent in spacetime with the earth, digging a very modest gouge on the surface. And while dad may have raised a dummy, he didn't raise no fool. The other chap, not so much at all. And there are just times when, even on foot, it's a wonderful idea to just turn around and run back like the devil's chasing you.

@G Galilei Maybe, if it means a pay raise as well.

@@yarpos ATC can do everything right and people will always ask "why didn't you say this/do this/be more assertive/be less assertive/you scared him so he crashed/you didn't scare her enough so she crashed." There is only so much ATC can do. You chose to get in the plane and fly.

Señor Baldwinez with that weather I wouldn't dare fly IFR into that weather AND the dangerously high terrain in a GA aircraft

If he had been flying IFR he could have climbed to an altitude where icing wasn't present.

@@chuckschillingvideos You mean climb up through the ice, in a non-icing-approved aircraft? Is that what you're saying?

@@bluehornet6752 Gee I'm so sorry I didn't know the icing rating of this aircraft!

chuckschilling General Tip: GA machines such as this aircraft are generally not equipped to climb out of icing, for the most part. Better to turn around...or not go there in the first part.

Or anyone on the ground, for that matter, right?

Wow, never heard that term! What is it? like some sort of fire fighting plane?

So many warnings and opportunities to land... Most pilots try know their limits and that of their airplane and heed warnings like these. Unfortunately there are some that give into hazardous attitudes causing grief for families, friends, and the GA community as a whole.

Well... maybe it helps if I put it into terms for road users: Most people know that it is dangerous to drive fast. Posted speed limits are clearly communicated. Yet many people speed. Why? Over-confidence with oneself and not taking warnings and/or limits given by others seriously just because one can not see the danger immediately is way common in humans. Unfortunately..

@@QemeH Right, that's why half of German driving population dies every year on unrestricted Autobahns because 55MPH is the danger zone threshold.

@@z00h You're confirming @QemeH's point. (Hint: autobahns are incredibly well engineered, German licences are very hard to get, fuel is $7.50 per gallon and insurance costs for under-30's mean you have to be old and wealthy to drive fast like that. And when you change lanes you're expecting someone approaching behind you with 100km/h closing speed)

@@mrgilbe1 "German licences are very hard to get, fuel is $7.50 per gallon and insurance costs for under-30's mean you have to be old and wealthy to drive fast like that." it's been ages since I read something as stupid as this. And I'm talking from first hand experience counting in decades now.

He had a date with destiny, and he made sure to keep it.

More like slide into a mountain

Words of a dead fool. Listening to him reminded me of another fool I know. Sounded exactly the same. Funny how those arrogant dumbasses sound alike

I'm not even a pilot and that got to me too. A doomed feeling, in too deep, can't get out. You can't stop and wait it out under a bridge when you have to keep your airspeed up.

I would not have flown that route IFR... sliding between mountains in anything less than solid vfr is not for me... Over the top or not at all.

Some people like to push their luck

most likely those people don't want to stuck in the middle of nowhere but It's settled the moment that they decided to continue the flight or failed to recognize the issue

Agreed. 99% of the time it worked for him probably.

Lehmann Peters I didn't think of that!

I dont understand why more GA pilots dont get IFR rated. If I was a GA pilot, I sure as hell would. Its my life on the line, and the instruments could save your life if you make a mistake or get unlucky.

He had a wonderful wife and five loving grandkids. And because his decisions were so outrageous, it’s possible insurance wouldn’t pay.

Whitpusmc just like railway, rule book written in blood!

Because it sounds cool to say "I'm a commercial pilot". Did you think it was any more complex than that?

Britman I think it should be required too. I think PPL should include basic VFR, just how to fly an ILS and how to follow a vector from ATC without any visibility. For emergencies.

Avery Kucan. I'm an instrument rated pilot. I used to think the same thing but that's why VFR has rules to stay clear of clouds. So for an emergency to shoot an ILS would never become a reason. Sure knowledge is power to know how to fly IFR buy not be rated is nice but so is learning to SCUBA dive but live in a desert. You won't need to use SCUBA unless you jump in the water. Pilots choose to fly into the clouds makes it a choice not an emergency. If you want the option to choose to fly in the clouds then you must rate yourself to be instrument to give yourself that aforementioned choice. May I add another assimilation. All car drivers must learn how to drive Semi just incase we have to drive one. No, when the time to need to drive a Semi, you'd get the proper licensing to do so before getting on the highway in said semi. It's about choices.

No, not at all. An instrument rating will give you the knowledge and the confidence to trust and use your instruments regardless of what your "body" is telling you. This rating expands your skill set as a pilot.

I think there have been two IFR days all year where I live in AZ, and both cleared after a couple hours. Commercial without IFR is nice for us out here. The more important training, in this neck of the woods, is learning to fly the mountains and hot, turbulent, high DA days we have especially in summer.