@@MikMoen*(& @JackIsMe1993, & others) --* Both Jack Quad (Bradward Boimler) and Tawny Newsome (Beckett Mariner) made a point to review ST:LD episodes in order to work on translating their animated-characters into live-action. Ironically enough, the LD-animators did the same, in reverse, for ST:LD; studying facial expressions and movements for the LD-cast, but exaggerating them to animated-comedic levels. Thus why it was very easy for both Quaid and Newsome to step into their live-roles. And this applies to Mariner as well. It is easy to see live-Boimler's exaggerated movements, but if you watch Newsome, she moves with Mariner's characteristic swagger.
I mean, with future technology it wouldn't be difficult to create a pinup poster of someone without their knowledge or consent using archived footage. We can do that with current AI sooooooo... that sentence has some dark implications all of a sudden.
I love how Number One gets offended at the thought of it being a "pinup poster" given Rebecca Romijn's early career as a model. Feels very meta there (also wonderful acting on Rebecca's part). Speaking of meta, having her husband playing Jack Ransom with him making lewd comments about her on the poster, def great meta! I will say though, the moment she learns she's become the poster-woman for Starfleet has become one of my favorite trek moments. From the drama she experienced with her court case and almost being kicked out of Starfleet for being an Illyrian, I imagine she was struggling with her relationship with Starfleet. So knowing that she was recognized to represent the ideals and best of Starfleet to recruit new officers is insanely validating for her, and it came at a time right when she needed it most.
"Ad Astra Per Aspera" is also the state motto of the state of Kansas in the United States. Kansas fought a long struggle against pro-slavery forces from neighboring Missouri during the period leading up to the Civil War (and during the Civil War) including several terrorist attacks by groups like Quantrell's Raiders. So the motto symbolizes reaching "the stars" (a higher place, a better life, our better selves) through "difficulties" that included directly fighting the forces that wanted to drag us down into fear, greed, evil, and the degradation of the human spirit. It's a very appropriate recruitment slogan for Star Fleet.
It is also funny that as the state with the motto "Ad Astra Per Aspera", Kansas is also home to the Cosmosphere, a Smithsonian associated Space Museum, in Hutchinson (NW of Wichita). It's the home of the Mercury Program's Liberty Bell 7, Gemini 10, and Apollo 13 CM Odyssey. It also exhibits authentic WWII German rocketry and various Soviet Space exhibits. It is an INCREDIBLE museum of space artifacts and is definitely worth a visit.
Finding out that you become the inspiration for your organisation generation's in the future has to br a humbling thing, but she still shows her appreciation to both Mariner and Boimler. That's why this is the greatest crossover in ST history!
It's the more than that, after all of the tribulations of almost losing her career over being an augment, to know that over a century later she's made such an impact that Starfleet utilizes her to inspire the Next Generation of Starfleet officers. All her struggles end up being worth it. That's gotta be a hell of a feeling.
@@3Rayfire but see the problem is, augments are still illegal by the 24th century as shown in DS9. Bashir almost loses his career over it. So unless the ban was removed in between DS9 and Lower Decks, Una is being used as token by Starfleet while all the other genetically modified individuals are still discriminated against. Without having that resolution of genuine systemic change, we're left with a hallow victory that doesn't actually do anything to change the system for the better.
@@augustwyllt2421or, perhaps, they have selectively removed the ban for Illyrians specifically so as to not discriminate against them for their particular history with genetic augmentation? I mean, we don't know, but SNW treated it as a manifestation of racism against a species with a very different history with the technology to the human experience with it, so progress that doesn't eliminate the ban entirely would still be progress.
@@augustwyllt2421so it seems that in the 24th, 25th, and 31st century settings they have quietly dropped the no augments thing. Eventually they will probably do an episode where the federation finally gets rid of an outdated law based on 1 member worlds bad experience with genetic augmentation
It was a beautiful moment for no.1's character. She struggled so hard to make a place for herself in starfleet, wracked by imposter syndrome and guilty about hiding her genetic modification. Then she discovers that a century later she is the literal poster girl for Starfleet, and in that moment she got everything she'd ever wanted
@@Synthonym but see the problem is, augments are still illegal by the 24th century as shown in DS9. Bashir almost loses his career over it. So unless the ban was removed in between DS9 and Lower Decks, Una is being used as token by Starfleet while all the other genetically modified individuals are still discriminated against. Without having that resolution of genuine systemic change, we're left with a hallow victory that doesn't actually do anything to change the system for the better.
@@augustwyllt2421 It more like that Starfleet makes special exceptions on a case-by-case basis. It's cleared from Una's trial that Starfleet doesn't want to lift the ban completely but establishes the precedent that augments can serve in Starfleet if it can be proved that they can be suitable candidates.
In The Ready Room for this episode Jack Quaid talks about how he watched a bunch of Lower Decks episodes and worked to get a lot of Boimler's mannerisms in, including the run, the Section 31 power walk, and of course the Boimler scream.
@@hmmmmm6056 In the animation, he just does that. It's how the animators show him whenever he's doing more than walking. It amazes me that Jack Quaid made such a point to study his animated self to get the mannerisms down. There's other things he's doing. Very subtle. In the face for example. He really sells the idea that even tho we see him IRL instead of as a cartoon character? It's still the same guy. Magnificently done. Not many actors could get that down so well.
*@swatbaker --* Both Jack Quad (Bradward Boimler) and Tawny Newsome (Beckett Mariner) made a point to review ST:LD episodes in order to work on translating their animated-characters into live-action. Ironically enough, the LD-animators did the same, but in reverse, for ST:LD. The animators studied the facial expressions and movements for the LD-cast actors, but exaggerating them to visibly (animated) comedic levels. Thus why it was very easy for both Quaid and Newsome to step into their live-roles. And this applies to Mariner as well. It is easy to see live-Boimler's exaggerated movements, but if you watch Newsome, she moves with Mariner's characteristic swagger.
I love Rebecca Romjin as "Number One" so much. This scene really makes me love the character of Una so much. She spent her entire life having to hide her true self...who she really was, for fear of being mistreated and not having a career. To go from being from a race of people who were shunned and ostracized, to fighting for her place in Starfleet...to finding out she's the literal poster girl (er, poster woman, thanks Boimler) used for Starfleet recruitment was just so touching...seeing it register to her...knowing she will touch the lives of so many in the future (not just for Illyrians, but all people) really made me tear-up. I love SNW so much (and Lower Decks).
Rebecca Romijn was a very famous swimsuit model in the 90s before she transitioned into acting. She was on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, and stuff like that.
@@503leafyMultiple times. They really amped it at the end, with Ransom seeing the poster and commenting on how hot Una is. Ransom is voiced by Rebecca's husband Jerry O'Connell.
It’s also hilarious, that these characters have already become so well beloved that we can ignore the fact that Tawny Newsome is 5‘10“ and Jack Quaid is 6’1”; totally out of proportions of their 2D character animations.
I find it funny that Mariner, someone who doesn't exactly shy away from discussing sexual and vulgar topics would be confused by the idea of a pin-up poster. Let's be honest, if she could get one of Jennifer, she would.
I interpreted it as, the phrase "pin-up" doesn't exist in her time. It's like when I say "keep on truckin'" and young people have no idea what I'm referring to.
its one thing to discuss sexual and vulgar topics -- its another to meet a man who has a poster of you near his bunk and you think he masturbates to that poster
If you didn't know Ransom is her irl husband. Met him while waiting to meet una and chapel. He just popped out of nowhere and hung out with the needs. Genuinely wanted to meet everyone and visit. Was so nice.😂 I didn't realize he was the fat kid in "stand by me"
That was the first of a "double whammie" Boimler recieved in that scene. He also got a "Live Long and Prosper" from Mr. Spock before transporting down to the planet.
I never knew that they drew Lower Decks characters in the image of their voices. I am far too used to seeing the character and the voice being visually different.
From what I heard it wasn't actually intentional, it just kinda was. To be honest, most of us wouldn't have cared anyway. Animation is only meant to vaguely mirror reality.
For those who don't know, Spock's pet sehlat features heavily in Ep 3 of 'Star Trek: the animated series', in which Spock is sent back in time through a mysterious portal.....
They seemed to have done very little with Number One in season 1 just to give us that great cliffhanger. And then they followed that up with 2 great episodes. Very well done! 🤩
It really says something that a show that started as just a comedy Star Trek show ... can pull out some of the finest and most real Star Trek moments out of the entire franchise. You have a gag running through the episode about the poster ... and then the reveal twist that Una is in fact the *literal* recruiting poster of Starfleet. That the Federation acknowledged her struggle for equality and how poorly she was treated by them in the future by pointing to said struggle as the core of what Starfleet is at its best. Probably thirty seconds of dialogue explaining it and Una being utterly stunned and beyond touched that her struggle in the present has been recognized by the future iteration of Starfleet in such a way... The idea that you could have a crossover between Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds and that it would have THAT impactful a moment ... these writers GET it. They really, really get it.
Funny how morality changed in 150 years. Number 1 knows the meaning "Pin-Up" as something different than Mariner. Like today the meaning of "being gay".
Heck, considering how loyal Mariner is to her buddies while also giving them crap, I could even see her playfully teasing Boimler about spankin’ it to the Una poster (whether he actually does or not). But if Una or someone else asks about it, she’d entirely play dumb about the meaning.
Now that i saw Mariner and Boimler back in the past, on the Enterprise, i kinda wish to see Pike and Spock in the future on Cerritos 😂 The crew would've fainted 🤣 Carol would loose her sh*t after she learnt that Mariner already know Pike and Spock 🤣 Same goes for Tendi and Rutherford 🤣
If they decide to do a reverse crossover (SNW to LD) I hope they include Lt. Ortegas going to the future. From this episode I feel she'd be right at home on the Cerritos as a lower decker.
I have an old Sports Illustrated Swimsuit poster of Rebecca. Yah. She was a pin up. And still is.😄😄😄 Update July 1 2024. I now have both posters of Una, animated and live action. Both are very nice.
Love that Starfleets motto is the same as the RAF The motto of the RAF, Per Ardua ad Astra (Through Adversity to the Stars), sums up the Air Force spirit. After its formation in 1918,
What cracks me up is that she implies Starfleet has 'Temporal Protocols', and thus that this is still not the FIRST time that time travel has happened to Starfleet members.
I wonder how I'd feel if it was me and a young Majell Barrett gave me that wink. Don't get me wrong, Mrs O'Connell is mighty sweet, but there's nothing like the original #1 even though she only appeared in the pilot...
J Q & R R playing at S U comics on a S T N G series. They DO need better writers, the displays are kewl, but the jagged ideals need quite the imporvements. so sayth a baby boomer watching an un paralled odd exchange tween series buffers.
The fact she's upset over the idea of being on a poster is just too funny because it's easy to forget she used to be a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue cover model too.
"You're the literal postergirl slash woman for Starfleet." This wasn't just important after Una's trial, as in character development. This was important for the character as she fit into the franchise. Number One being omitted from Star Trek because of the corporate executives' demands was a travesty of the times, and even after "The Menagerie" aired and, following that, "The Cage" came out, very little grift was given to her as a character. Coming back and working her to being the very image of Starfleet was a testament to how important the character should have been in the history of Star Trek.
