Bud, I just want to say thank you for the help on this. I just learned my 5900x is a golden sample with no crashes at -30 offset on all cores. 4.95 to 5.05Ghz single core.
I cannot express enough how thorough and detailed your videos are. And since I happen to have a very similar system, I can’t wait to follow along. Your explanations of Ryzen Master, Radeon Software, PPT, TTC & EDC is the best I’ve come across
I couldn't find anything that was as helpful as this video. Most of the "guides" I looked at just said "set EDC (or whatever) from x to y depending on your cpu" without explaining what the heck that was for. Thanks for this.
What an incredible wealth of information these videos have been, thank you! I am curious though about your process for dialing in single-core performance, because at least on my 5900X the CineBench work load bounces back and forth between two of my cores, the two Windows-preferred cores. So it's basically impossible to get a good reading of my average clock speed.
The way you provide the information is so clear and understandable, I've watched all of your Red Star videos. Thank you for providing this information for free 👍👍👍
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Best video yet for explaining PPT etc using Ryzen Master. Got a nice tune with my 5900x and Asus x570-f gaming. 4.5Ghz on all core on CB R20 getting 8778 compared to 8250. Nice boost. I'm also using curve optimisation for individual cores. I settled with 185 / 125 /150 with max temp at 85°C.
Followed this to the tee. Found near zero advantage to the MHz during the CR23 runs. And the score was going down! But your tuning got the max V below 1.40 and the temps down, so I was already impressed. Then I ran PCMark and saw boost speeds AND durations that were brand new. Score improved by over 5%. Thanks! R5 3600x, ROG B450 Gaming II, GTX 1060 6GB
Thank you so much! I increase my multicore speed from 4.2 to 4.3ghz following your guide. Single core 4.85ghz and max temp only at 59c. You made it so ez to understand compare to other videos and guides. You deserve millions of subs!
Did you make any bios adjustments before running this? I ask because your soc is much higher than mine (18 vs 7.5 on mine) and my cpu is boosting less at about 3.89 to 3.915 even though my temps are 10C colder than yours (same 5950x)
this video doesn't fully explain how to change the test parameters, for instance at 6:36 i'm already at the max ppc/tdc/edc values, so i can't raise it, is that caused by a setting in the bios? is pbo supposed to be enabled in the bios for this test? etc.
PBO does need to be enabled in the BIOS. If you are already at max, record those numbers and then apply the default values and record those results. You incrementally increase PPT, TDC, EDC while running CB Multi Core to see what happens when you change the values. I have an updated video here which hopefully is more clear and to the point. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F205IDSXoMk.html
@@TheGrayingTech thx for the info, i'm checking that video out, appreciate your help, this stuff is pretty complex despite me having a tech background :-)
With my 5950x, when doing single-core Cinebench, it's not one of the cores boosting up to ~4.9 like you have, instead it's two cores jumping between 2.7 all the way to 3.2.
Likely running into a thermal issue where the scheduler is swapping more frequently. Make sure you have the AMD chipset installed and the Ryzen power profile.
I have kind off the same problem. One core is constantly jumping between 4.5 and 4.9, then at some point it drops to 3.1 and other core has around 1.5 ghz. Then single core goes back to 4.5 to 4.9 and story repeats. There are no more ryzen profiles in power plan. AMD chipset is installed. Any other hints?
@@ErnestoRivera86 Do you have a solution to this yet? I am having the same problem where my Core 2 is a gold star is being out shined by my core 8 which is at silver star running at 5 ghz but switches with core 2 every few seconds.
@@xrhupwnx sorry but no bro. I sent the mobo and processor back. Im happy with my 9700k intel. Xmp profile loaded in seconds with no problems and no need to tweak anything else.
I know Iam kinda late but letting the CPU have almost 90° while gaming is not pleasant at all. With no AC and these settings you would kill the cpu during the summer. I got a 5900x recently really cheap and Iam still looking for the best settings. Iam using the stock PBO settings (higher ones are not giving really much performance, just heat) adjusted curve optimizer (Iam still at it, core cycler takes forever to test each core), boost clock override +200 and Iam hitting aroumd 22k multicore and 1,7k single core. Max temp in cinebench 65° and 74/75° while stress testing with core cycler. Cooler: Liquid Freezer II 360. Is this it? Or am I missing something.
HI! Congratulations on your collection of evidence. I know a lot of time has passed, but I wanted to ask you something: those three values, 395watt, 255A and 200A, I understand that they were the maximum that was in Ryzen Master, but where do they come from?
Great job, my friend! I have an ASUS ROG 450F gaming and, except the single test, the 5900x enter in throtle mode from time to time. But I worked in Ryzen to llower my temp, since I am quite satisfied with performance.
The best guide I've seen on PBO, just ran into little problem on Single core I see my max freq just keeps jumping 3.6Ghz 3.7, BTW its 5600x and I got 4.6Ghz on all core before single core.
Nice video and explanations ! The best I've seen so far. Thank you :) 6:49 On my system (B550 / 5600X) TDC and EDC max are the same the default values 60 & 90. Why can't I go over this ? PPT, it gives me a weird 1000 as max .... that is non sense.
I tried to play around with PBO using Your guide but there is a problem: I have 3700x so my default values are PPT-88W, TDC-60A, EDC-90A, when I go into PBO it shows these max values: PPT:1000, TDC-114, EDC-168. TDC and EDC are fine and change accordingly but PPT doesn't go above 88W, no matter what value is set in PBO. Going lower than 88W works fine.
If I follow your tutorial to the letter, I get the same values in default as in max in some cases. How do you acquire these default values? I'm obviously missing something here. Forgive the stupid question but I'm entirely new to overclocking. The video seems very clear but as I said, I'm missing something.
Thank you for this series. I am running a AMD for the first time and I was lost on the amd setups. What Bios setting do you set before running Ryzen master?
Hello! I am totaly new to Ryzen master and overklocking and stuff. I need to ask, in this video your say that a Ryzen 5600 default values are PPT: 88, TDC: 60, EDC: 90 On my 5600 in Ryzen Master it say PPT: 76, TDC: 60, EDC: 90 So the diffrence is the PPT 88 vs 76 Now I got a 5600X version, maybe that is diffrent than a 5600? I just wonder if my numbers are correct from the Ryzen Master? :)
Background/Question: I bought a Digital Storm Aventum X w/ the HydroLux cooling (cpu&gpu) roughly 1000MM worth of radiators and reservoir: CPU: 5950X. GPU: Asus Tuf 3090. Gskill 3600 cl16, Raid 0: 980 Pro's, MB: Asus Hero VIII WIFI, Bios: 3204. Im looking for Basic BIOS recommended settings as when I upgraded to 3204 bios it reset all my bios settings, Could you link me your specific videos? or suggest some settings any advice :) Alittle OC or better utilization settings, I'm wondering if the defaults settings are under-utilizing/slowing my system down? Thank You again :)
My PBT with max Settings gets the same results as the standard Profile for my AMD Ryzen 3600. Is this one maybe stock OC? I remember Amd Ryzen Master to look different, do I have an old OC Profile from the older software somewhere lurking around?
Thank you for your video's. They are by far the easiest to follow. I only made it to here because my PPT max was 1000 in RM? I'm not sure why so I stopped. The whole time I was wondering what should my bios settings be prior to attempting RM. I rebooted and was not able to access windows until I reset the bios, boot into safe mode, remove ryzen master. Not sure what I did wrong. Have you ever seen this happen?
Every time I try to apply different ppt values ryzen master wants me to reboot to apply the change instead of just applying while CBR23 is running. Please help
there's a setting in ryzen master that says something about writing to bios, turn it off, it's automatically setting a permanent change any time you apply the changes
@@DariusEldritch Does it literally say "Write to BIOS"? I checked the settings and I don't see anything that relates to that. Would you be able to tell me/us which in the settings that has to be turned off?
not sure if its because ryzen master had an update but everytime i try to apply to change PPT TTC and EDC i have to restart for it to apply was there a way to change that?
What is your bios settings?? Also mine is jumping around a lot in my preferred single core number 2. how do I fix that it's hard to gage the frequency when it keeps going to sleep while cinebench is running
Attempted this in August 2022. B550 aorus pro, 5900x. Installed ryzen master, PPT graph showed 720W, TDC 420A and EDC 360A. System is not overclocked. On cinebench r23 running iteration 12, ryzen master gauges went to -1 max. I closed the program, shut down cinebench, restarted RM and RM said program unstable, please uninstall. So still a very buggy program. On water running 12 cores @4.7MHz, core and CCD temps peaked at 69°C.
Thanks for the useful video, people like you make the PC community what it is. My 5950x is not getting anywhere near your results despite using an EK 360mm AIO (and an MSI X570 Meg Unify), even with my case completely open (all panels removed for maximum airflow). I've repasted, i've checked mounting tightness, and i just can't get my CPU to get close to your first set of results in this video (ignoring part 4). I hover around 4335MHz. The other odd thing is that when i went into my BIOS and set the PPT/TDC/EDC limits, when i booted back into Ryzen Master, my limits were now dramatically lower than they were prior to the reboot (i.e., whereas PPT was showing 100% in RM, now it's only showing 75%). Either way, at 86˚C, my maximum observed boost seems to be 4335MHz and it seems like i lost the silicon lottery :(
That sucks!!!! Sorry!!! You have the right components, so that’s not it. Maybe try using the PBO settings I found for my Asus board: 200 PPT / 145 EDC / 145 TDC Curve Optimizer: -20 to -25 I think MSIs default values run higher than needed. So lowering them might help to see if you can get the boost right. you did remove the sticker right?
@TheGrayingTech Thank you for the reply man! I've just subbed. Re your whisper, you got me paranoid so i disassembled my waterblock and re-pasted and ensured that there are no obstructions or plastic covers lol. I've just punched in your results and i'm at 78C under sustained Cinebench R23 load with a max all core boost of 4255~. I just rebooted, set curve to -15 (at -25 i become unstable while at idle despite doing a 30 minute R23 run), and my results were this: (213PPT/TDC155/EDC145). i.imgur.com/opWOWVE.png As you can see my EDC is at 106%, however when i increase my EDC to deal with the fact that it's "over", my all core boost goes DOWN and my temperatures increase.
@@Bacender EDC is fickle to say the least. Leave it at the value where you got the 106% (145) and you should be good to go. Numbers in the screenshot look good to me.
Hi man, great stuff on your channel, i must for someone like me that is facing for the first time the AMD CPU. Let me ask you something: 1) I've set my CO for ALL CORES a negative value of 30, but in Cinebench R23 both in multicore and in single core test Cinebench returns one error: which is the best way to approach the issue? For example, (let's talk about single core bench) looking in Ryzen Master which is the most used core during the test and try to lower the CO value just for that core from 30 to 25 or maybe 20? Or should i increase the power to the CPU (TDC - EDC)? 2) Differently from your CPU, my 5800X in single core bench splits the workload between 2 or more cores. In your video the full load is just on a single core, in my case i rarely reach the top core speed and the load splits between 2 (or 3 cores). Why?
Okay, so I understand that there are GREAT chips and then those that are "just passable", and everything in between, but I am getting numbers so far off the "baseline" here that I am wondering if I truly got a lemon of a 5950x? My default freq is 3.77 and that goes down to 3.74 with the maxed out numbers (mine are 720, 420, and 480). Using the same "semi-optimized" numbers as a point of reference (210, 150, 150) I am only getting 66-70% utilization of the 210 PPT, and about 70% of the TDC, but 100% of the EDC...and again my freq is hovering right around 3.81. I can get the clock just over 4ghz for a short duration using the sampled numbers...but nothing sustained. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
I set PPT, TDC & EDC to their max but for some reason EDC is showing 0A and 0% even though I set it to 190. Would that be some kind of bug? Also with all this tweaking of settings, I've not seen any real changes in MHz single/multi-core or in the temps. I had been manually setting Curve Optimizer settings and testing. Not sure if that should be disabled for these tests you're going over. My CO settings are C0 -27, C1 -19, C2 -30, C3 -28, C4 -21, C5 -30, C6 -20, C7 -16. Got any tips on why RyzenMaster is acting weird for me or why I'm not seeing any differences in MHz or Temps +/-?
So am i supposed to lower values of ppt tdc edc until all of them reach 100% usage? I've heard that ppt edc and tdc should never go 100% ..99% but never hundred i am newbie so idk it would be great if you can explain me this....
Doesnt this affect L3 Cache speeds? On my Ryzen 7 5800x lowering EDC to 150 read/write speeds of the L3 cache is @480gb/s but at 300 EDC for example L3 cache speeds are +700gb/s.(Aida64)
Watching your videos with great interest. Only starting out with a X470 and a 2400G. Question: why does my Ryzen Master look different? I don’t have any of the fancy green bars or gauges etc? Is there a setting I’ve missed?
I updated my testing a bit later to also include 3dMark. Really useful to have multiple benchmark utilities to compare. Same method. Hopefully this is helpful!
@@TheGrayingTech Great video and thanks for making it! One question, when I'm testing the single core on Cinebench R23 core 2 and 5 are jumping back and forth and sometimes sharing the load. You said this was not good, how do I fix this?
Are there any specific tweaks you would recommend for better performance with DAW's? Namely, cores sleeping, I was wondering if that can affect high resolution (96-192K) audio recording and production.
Is it normal for all of my cores to drop to 3.8Ghz or less when running a benchmark like R20? It seems like the more load on the CPU the slower it gets. I have a 5950X, ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero, Corsair AX1200 PSU, Elite Capellix H150i with a 320mm radiator and excellent airflow from multiple fans through the case so it's not a thermal issue. My max temps under 100% all core load is 72C. My thermal limit in PBO is 90C. PPT\TDC\EDC are 250\160\160. Two best cores in CO are -12, the rest of CCD1 are -16, and CCD2 are all -20. I have preferred cores\CPPC enabled.
Sweet video! So i prefer to play only escape from tarkov... I need to figure out best numbers in ryzen master for single core scores and dial em in to bios :) ?
I don't get the same results. PPT is not 88. On my 5600x PPT = 76W TDC = 60A EDC = 90A. Moving over to PBO, PPT is set to 1000 which is max and I wonder if it really is correct? I can see it's using 10% of PPT which would be 100. So it wants 100W and max clock is 4649Mhz on all cores it seems. It's like there is a limit there.
I got to the point after downloading cinebench and hitting apply to default and my pc freezes. Restarted and tried again and same thing. Is there a setting in the BIOS I am missing?
Please help. With Ryzen Master My 5600x at default is PTT 76, TDC 60A, EDC 90A Temp 49c. I followed the steps in the vid but it will only overclock to 4.5ghz with temp at 62c. If I don't used Ryzen Master and use curve optimizer set at -20 and take CPU to +150 I run 4.8ghz and this was only my second attempt in bios maybe I can push even further. Why is this happening?
Interesting video, great content. Do you think running the CPU at the max of 90C over a long period of time to be safe? Wouldn't this cause early degradation and reduce performance?
90c is when I hit the limit of what the system will allow. I wouldn't run that high for a long period of time but degradation normally occurs due to high current & voltage not heat. Heat might cause your paste to fail faster but shouldn't damage the silicon.
@@TheGrayingTech Thanks for actually answering. I guess I am asking because I'd like to get max performance out especially since I do some 3d design and Rendering. So would running at 90C for a 15-20 min render be bad? Also would it be ok to just use Ryzen Master and set it to Precision Boost Overdrive mode? without changing other PTT TDC EDC?
@@bchen1226 If you run you Ryzen at 90C, i would bet it's already thermal-throttling. Try to start HWinfo64 and look for Thermal Throttling status. And even if it's not thermal throttling, you won't get the best performance of Ryzen at 90C because of how the Boosting algorithm works - more temps = less boost = less performance. And i would recommend tuning PBO in BIOS instead of RM. And yes, you can enable PBO with PPT, EDC and TDC limits set to either Auto or Motherboard.
For anyone coming along later, this "degradation" has proven to be mostly a myth that internet randos who purport to know things keep spreading. People think that because they can rattle off all the technical things they've read before that they're knowledgeable. Do they even know about Shockley's equations? Nah.
is it safe to go over 100% EDC usage? i managed to get 20+ more hz 105% more edc usage and keeps climbing as i drop the EDC value even lower to 113% usage. 135A EDC @100%, 130a @103% +20-30hz, 120a @113% +5-10hz. Was wondering what kind of effects would happen if i stayed over the 101% mark
Hi, Im having issues with my 5600x. I am getting the whea logger error event id 18. It only happens when pc load is low to idle such as watching youtube videos, never when under full load. asus x570 f gaming 16gb 3600mhz cl18 ram 2070 super 650w evga 80+ gold psu
What does this do? You could have explained the working principle of this function? Too me it just looks like that you are imposing limits so the motherboard wont blow up if the cpu fails? How is this impacting boost behaviour?
@@TheGrayingTech The Curve Optimzer & PBO 2 tech is 5000 series exclusive, and of course the older PB / PBO ( v1 ? ) works pretty good with my R9 3900X processor - I also like to experiment with the EDC=1 bug and BCLK overclocking to squeeze more performance from my release day bronze sample bad silicon...
Bro my EDC is at 90 but my ryzen master is showing its using 115% my cores are getting 4.4 to 4.5 but when I go up for like 100 it goes down to 4.2 - 4.3 what should i do??
Thank you so much for this video series. My computer is not using the best core for the single core test. Is there a way I can get the computer to use the better core?
Mine bounced a lot until I brought Curve Optimizer into the mix. It effectively lowers the standard voltage curve that the motherboard has and it helps keep the scheduler from bouncing all over the place.
My R9 5900x 10 ,11 and 12th cores are running at a third or lower of the 4,500 range. Core 11 fluctuates between sleep and about 1,300. The maximumTDC is only 160. EDC 190 ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Pro with the latest BIOS
My first run of Cinebench and my CCD 0 and CCD! values are 3.5, Temp 62, Peak 3.58, PPT 91, CPU PWR 99.5, SOC Telemetry PWR 8.3, TDC100, EDC 100, CPU Telemetry Vltg 1.45, SOC Telemetry Vltg 0.975 Ryzen 9 5950x, I am coming way under your numbers. Could this be the silicon lottery then. I am redoing video 3 again just to verify.
In Singlecore test my 5800X bounces between the two best cores. A Frequenz reading is nearly imposilble because of that. In the time the switch is happening the cores are only at around 4,3-4,4Ghz. Every minute or so the best core goes up to round about 4,85. Why is this core switching happening?
When I try to bench default values, my pot, cpu power soc power, tdc, edc are all under 60% and the temps are around 75%. I don’t understand what that means. If default is not able to utilize the full range, will imcreasing them in PBO have any effect?
What happens when you set them to the max? The default values are normally so low that it doesn't fully utilize the chip. Also, make sure your BIOS is setup to take advantage of PBO.
@@TheGrayingTech that’s what I was hoping, that the default values are limiting the chip so I tried PBO manual, all values maxed, individual cores set to 4300mhz(ryzen 3600x) and even though it gets close to that frequency, the chip is not utilizing the available cpu power
Some issues for me: I have the 5600G (I meant to buy the X but accidentally bought the G). I don't have the two CCX monitors, only one. I also don't see ANY difference between Default and PBO. I get the same exact speeds, same temps, same voltages, nothing moves at all except the maximum limit of the chip. The actual performance itself does NOT change. I don't know if I'm missing a step that I need to set up in BIOS or what is going on, but as detailed as this guide series is, nothing is changing at all for me.
Same. Had to abandon this as nothing seems to change performance wise. Also my PPT goes from 88w to 1000w when turning on PBO, like wtf? Its just too different from this tutorial for me to want to risk messing with it.
I have a 2700X. I maxed all my settings and the PPT and TDC usage ended up being lower than default (PPT:141/138.25, TDC:95/94.35, EDC:140/142.8), WHILE hwinfo reported no thermal throttling. I don't get it...
Please help! On my msi meg unify x570 when the bios E7C35AMS.A82 at settings PPT 205, TDC 145, EDC 145 processor AMD Ryzen 5950x all cores are running at 4.5 mhz, but as soon as I install the new version of the bios, which in fact should increase and optimize - then all the cores on the processor are running at 4.2 mhz. Please help me adjust the settings correctly in the bios
I think I found a good photo here: www.anandtech.com/show/14603/the-msi-meg-x570-ace-motherboard-review/8 So BIOS > OC Menu > Advanced CPU Configuration > Precision Boost Overdrive See if you can set that to Manual and populate the PPT, TDC, and EDC values.
Every time I press apply it wants to restart the pc (following configuration requested requires ryzen master to restart windows auto overclocking) anyone know why?
On the first PBO test with 395, 255, and 200 my temps are between 77 and 79 C, they never get to 90. But, I can't raise the PPT, TDC, and EDC any higher in the PBO profile. How do I find my max then?
That's a GREAT problem to have. :) Go ahead and start evaluating the best settings. Seems like you are already running well, so I'd expect to see some good gains.
I have a 3600x processor. In PBO when I enter the max values, nothing maxes out regarding the PPT, TDC, or EDC. The % used of each of those values just lowers and I essentially get no improvement on my clock speed. I'm assumining it's the core voltage that is preventing any of the % used values from going higher. My temperature goes down a half a degree.
Not sure what has changed wiht Ryzen Master but I cannot disable the write to bios options in settings. When i disable the Write PBO to bios or CO to bios option and hit OK it restarts my system and fails to save the setting changes. As soon as i try to apply a change like setting my PTT/TDC/EDC to make it triggers a restart of my system.
I have a 5900x and I can't put it over 4.0 without the temp getting to 90 and above.. Voltage is around 1.1 any higher temps go crazy as well. I have a water cooling system and there is plenty of ventilation. What could be my issue?
Something is definitely off. What is it running with the default settings? Check to see if any one particular core is running hotter than another. If yes, it could be a gap in the paste. If everything checks out, try setting voltage to auto and use curve optimizer to see if you can get the temps under control first.
@@TheGrayingTech So i reset the bios and the cmos and things improved somewhat. I also added new thermal paste...I set voltage to auto and use curve optimizer and it does run better but no where near 4.7 actually the highest I got it to float around is just under 4.2.... I have another question when i use cinebench r23 i notice the ghz never gets really high but If i hit apply and test in ryzen master i do see those higher ghz Ive seen up to 4,6. I also see higher frequencys with other benchmark programs bur cinebench the ghz go high
Also that under 4.2 ghz that i get from cinebench happens when my ppt around is 100 and edc and tdc around 75... Just adding this information in case it tells you anything
Question. You say that the default PPT is 88 for 5600. Then why is my default at 76!!?!?!?!? Shown on screen at 4:57. The other settings are like yours....
The default is often set by the Motherboard Manufacture. There is an AMD spec, but the MoBo can override it. It's ok to have a lower PPT by default. The goal is to incrementally increase it to ensure you get a good balance between power and temps.
