Adobe updates the Terms of Service, but... 

What’s a good alternative for adobe? I don’t mind learning new software if it means adobe won’t be looking at my stuff anymore.

@@Savage_D_777 Affinity - buy, own and currently half price

@@Savage_D_777 I think Affinity and DxO PhotoLab are the main alternatives.

@@Savage_D_777pixelmator pro is ok

@@i_dont_want_a_handle Luminar is also pretty cool.

I also use Affinity but I'm also a little concerned with Affinity as well. They were bought out by Canva. So because the original ppl are no longer in charge and out of the picture, Affinity products will most likely gear themselves toward the subscription-based model over time. Canva is also subscription-based. Canva also uses a cloud.

@@repeataftermeme75 It is the trend, if not the norm now. The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they are equally scamming us. Any company that gains traction opposing them gets taken over, one way or another. If the governments cause too much trouble... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.'

@@repeataftermeme75 It is the trend, if not the norm now. The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they are equally sca mming us. Any company that gains traction opposing them gets taken over, one way or another. If the gover nments cause too much trouble... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.' Sorry for the spaces but my comment keeps getting deleted.

@@repeataftermeme75 The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they their own agenda. Any company that gains traction competing with them gets taken over, one way or another. Next step... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.'

Why not just use the apple software on your Mac?

Yes but also the people being photographed like he said in the video.

no company today can ever be fully trusted.

Except that he's not. He's just fighting against the wind. Adobe is a private organization who's going to do what they're going to do. And as long as you sign the TOS that's on you. Y'all shouldn't have let them turn Photoshop and illustrator into a service when it isn't one. What service do you think you're paying for? Their stock image service. This was always the goal. When you pay every month for Photoshop or illustrator you're paying for them to steal your intellectual property and put it on their image service. You're paying for them to steal from you and you always were.

@@MamaMOB There are two possible outcomes that I can see: Either - scams are outlawed, hunted down and punished severely, Or - they are legitimized and protected as lawful business activity. I think we know the direction we are going...

2012 apparently. I remember that too. You could buy a license for Photoshop and the following month they tell you to go screw yourself.

Or if you ever stop paying..

God bless piratebay

I stopped using Adobe when they thought they could charge me every month for software. As a graphic designer I didn't need any services from them I just needed the software. That's all I wanted. And I refuse to pay for one product over and over and over and over again.

What ever year CS6 was. That's what I use now, because I refuse to pay the vampires.

Bingo!

That will become as common as NO MSG at Chinese restaurants - were "Non-Adobe compliant"🤣

Or Adobe Non Compliant may be more correct.

That is what all tyrants do. It is always about the children.....then they piggyback on that to deny you other rights that have nothing to do with children. If only we could save one child...........insert crazy new law here.....

Jup! It’s called “virtue signalling” and you mostly encounter it in the politic sphere.

To..."reclassify 'concerning' behavior into the 'public health catcher’s mitt'” It's part of a broader, countrywide spying operation. Homeland security and other agencies gather intelligence via this kind of long established data collection. (Recently come to light. See Brennan-Clapper - DHS Committee).

Bingo! like all the other Heroes "helping us".

Wait for every other company to put that excuse up as well. It's a pretext to access everyone's create output for overall AI training.

Yep, those are the kinds of photos that are going to get flagged 99.99999% of the time. There will be a dude whose job it is to stare at those sent his all day.

What do your clients think that 3rd parties like Adobe can see these images?

Affinity Photo no sub.

@@vidworxsfx I will definitely check it out

@@vidworxsfx Ok, gonna explore..

Capture One is an excellent RAW editor.

Ps > GIMP, Ilustrator > Inkscape, and love DaVinci for Pr replacement.

So much for artistic nudity….

I guess customers all individually paying them hundreds of dollars a year isn't enough to get them to actually advocate for us.

It's not a professional service provider. It's a software manufacturer. I think it's customers who need to realign with its function as a software manufacturer.

​@@user-ed7dy1mq9uand why are you paying them hundreds of dollars a year for software? Software is not a service. Adobe is not a service. It's software. You guys got taken for a ride once, twice, and now you're complaining when it's the third time?

Honestly ever since Pantone picked up their Ball, and went off back Home, with it. What reason is there to actually use Adobe? More to a point why haven't Pantone released any packages for other providers, looking at you Canva, (Affinity), and Skylum (Luminar). As for Illustrator, there is Inkskape, and Affinity Designer for Premier, we have Resolve. Not sure what could replace After Effects though.

they don't need to do that. they know the creative industry is effectively finished at this point. dall-e, et al, are their competition

What do you use? What do you recommend?

What do you use now?

It won’t allow us to respond and say what we are using. Comments keep getting deleted.

@@TigaWould is adobe in kahoots with RU-vid?

​@@TigaWouldThat happens to me. I can't mention any website or product or anything without RU-vid deleting my comment.

😃

As Melanie sang it all those years ago, "A thing is a phallic symbol if it's longer than it's wide!"

Pickles and a Dildo is hard to tell apart.

😂

Mine is. 😉

Especially if that person is an easily offended blue-haired activist.

Yep, imagine they false flag you and report you to police that starts an investigation. Even if you are lucky and in the end, after a costly, and time and personal energy consuming legal battle, turn out innocent as you are, you will have that investigation on your record.

And guess what - they'll say it's so offensive that they can't tell you what triggered the flag.

What would you recommend we use besides adobe? Up until this week I thought the only alternative was MS Paint.

@@Savage_D_777Affinity Photo/Designer/Publisher, Darktable, Capture One, DaVinci Reslove, Blender, Clip Studio Paint, Krita, Inscape, Left Angle Autograph, Kdenlive, etc

@@Savage_D_777I posted a bunch, but RU-vid’s ai moderator deleted it

De-identified health information neither identifies nor provides a reasonable basis to identify an individual. HHS hasn't adopted standards for Adobe, or cloud storage in general.

There is no such thing as truly anonymized data. You effectively have so many unique “properties” with which you end up in an “anonymous group” with exactly one member.

lol good point. In 10 years there will be news that a huge CSAM provider was discovered at Adobe and everyone will be surprised how that could happen.

Have Bill Clinton and other Epstein Island alumni bought large stakes in Adobe?

This is also true!

How is the learning curve? I'm seriously considering switching. It looks like it can do everything CS6 can do.

Dumped Adobe over a year ago myself, went to ON1

Exploring alternatives.

@@TruthAndMoreTruth After more than a decade with PS, I found it hard to go to Affinity. But that pain is long-forgotten and I am more glad than ever to be Adobe-free.

50% sale ongoing now!

i agree, subscription will be the death of companies who abuse it like adobe. watch what you subscribe to. they're coming for all of us

I'm looking for a LR/PS replacement. What did you move to?

@@iandavis1355 Years ago when I made the switch, a photographer that I follow was big on Capture One and I jumped on board but nowadays I use it with Affinity Photo. I don't know if you do video, I rarely do, but I love DaVinci Resolve and they have a free version.

I just don't like the option of paying indefinitely for a product when I've been totally happy with CS6 as an individual designer for freelance and private use. It's scary how people have so quickly complied to the subscription model and all it entails

@@iandavis1355 I'm pretty sure I responded to your message but I come back and it's not here🤨. So when I stopped using Lightroom and Photoshop all those years ago, I transitioned to Aurora HDR (Now Luminar Neo I believe) and then eventually migrated to CaptureOne and still currently use that in conjunction with Affinity Photo. For video I tried Sony Vegas Pro when it was still owned by Sony and other programs before finally settling on DaVinci Resolve which is in my opinion better than Premiere Pro and actually still free.

Saying we don't understand their legalese, when their legalese is purposefully vague.

It was extremely condescending and intended to suggest that there's something obviously wrong with us and not them.

not a nice way to talk to the supposed to be their customers, indeed trying to put pressure on us to actually accept the "facts" they spit to us, perhaps

She's the impersonation of how hell is paved with good intentions. It's absolutely shameful that Adobe use child abuse to get what they want.

I can't help but think they thought...let's make sure we don't use a man in a suit and tie. Let's get away from the stereotypic lawyer look and make people more comfortable with our policy by using a young woman casually dressed.

I'm enjoying DxO PhotoLab. They've got a special going, 20% off. They have a library of camera body and lens profiles, and they use them to automatically render color and sharpness. You hardly have to do anything, other than crop, and tweak exposure. You CAN play with colors, but unless you're going for funky colors, the defaults are pretty damn good. For stuff where I need layer-based editing, Affinity Photo 2 works well, for me. Together, the two cost about what a year of Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom do, and that's for lifetime licenses. No subscription.

that is the crux of it all, isn’t it?! Finding companies that are not into selling data or stealing your work, is getting harder and harder.

Affinity is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but using windows is about to be the same as this adobe situation. Windows will be taking a screenshot of your desktop every second for this new service called recall. It's time to move to apple or linux. I chose Linux.

@@agentofthewild684 Keep an eye on Steve Gibson's web site. He is planning on releasing a "recall recall" app that will disable it when and if it is activated... Steve is fantastic!

For everyone. Premier and After Effects = Davinci Resolve. PhotoShop = Affinity or any bitmap program that has layers. Illustrator = Inkscape, which has artboards and layers. Adobe Animate aka Flash or Character Animator = Procreate Art and ToonSquid. Anything 3d = Blender. Now that you have options - if you stay you agree with Adobe. It's not like you don't have the knowledge.

There are plenty of alternatives out there. Quit bitching and do your own research if you're looking for alternatives.

That's what I'm saying - videos on alternatives please.

Neo, Affinity, Devinci..

@@neostephens8980Alternatives that will use my Lightroom catalog with the information I have saved for my 179K photos and that work just as fast and well as Adobe?

@@Motivatedlightmedia CaptureOne also a good one

But they now can.

@@Neil-Aspinall Why would anyone trust them, after this fiasco?

That’s discriminatory. What if it was a “gal at Adobe”, Tony?

Went to Affinity some 5 years ago. Never looked back. I am Adobe free.

Until Affinity introduce AI features too. And it's coming.

@@darmok072 Let's hope they watched this video and take some recommendations into account like a private mode so your family photo's aren't accidentally shared with some unknown potentially super creepy reviewer at some company that is not under any scrutiny that anyone knows of.

Or get photoshop portable. Very useful and no cloud features. Think it’s for cs5

I also use Capture One + Affinity Photo. A great combination for work flow.

That’s my workflow. I have recipes send images immediately to affinity. It’s actually very fast for me

Neo, Affinity, Devinci..

They are

I paused the sync option because I NEVER wanted to use the cloud. And never activated the sync. Same with Apple, I never wanted any sort of cloud service, yet they did it any way. Fuckers.

Stop using their service. You know it's a crime origanization yet you keep financing them...

This was good 😂

Yes, me too. Every company wants a subscription model, but it's generally unsustainable for the public.

You: In that case, yes. We always continue to use your products, Adobe.

For some of us who make a living using Adobe products like I do, we need time to make the switch. I have thousands of client files from nearly 14 years working full time as a freelance graphic designer. I can't just cancel without having a good plan in place. It's been a slow process to convert all of my Adobe InDesign files (page layout program). I have purchased the Affinity suite of apps to replace the 3 main Adobe apps I use every day. Luckily, I don't have to convert any PSD or Native Adobe Illustrator files. Those I can open it AF Publisher & AF Designer. I just need to replace Adobe's Acrobat Pro and XD apps. I'm looking forward to canceling Adobe in January when my subscription renews. I believe the remaining files that I need to covert will be done by late November or Early December at the latest. So the timing works really good for me (for once).

I went through three months of trying to cancel Adobe Stock. When I blocked them from debiting my checking account they charged me on a credit card I had removed from the account months earlier. Adobe are straight up dirt bags.

This happened to me once. I was looking at my bill and I noticed I was being charged twice for more than a year. Adobe did refund me everything though.

just tell the bank.

Im getting charged twice and their chat doesn't work is so frustrating

There used to be Aperture...back in the days when Adobe was still a player in a competitive marketplace.

@@johnharvey7913 DXO and Capture One, On1 lots of good choices.

CaptureONe?

So what are you using?

Underrated comment. 'Government: Hey you can't do what we do, thats illegal.' XD

We need videos on this!

Neo, Affinity, Devinci..

I take it back. You can't batch rename in Neo and exporting something like a portrait session takes 3 days.. So close.

Neo, Affinity, Devinci..

Yes, but Affinity was bought out by Canva which is subscription and cloud-based. So it will most likely only be a matter of time before Affinity falls victim.

Another Photoshop alternative is *Krita*. While its text seems more limited than Photoshop's, it supports basically all of the Layer Styles and can open/save PSD files.

What a difference punctuation makes: "Keep the pressure on, Tony! Thank you."

Adobe should have had both their lawyer and a consumer rights lawyer who specializes in IP to address the issue. That would generate a lot more good will.

Satanic

@@joshuaa3075 human

You can cancel. You just need to wait until the end of your subscription year.

@Tugela60 problem is LrC. There is absolutely nothing to replace that. Ditch it, and your catalog of hundreds of thousands of photos and millions of edits ...is lost. Nothing exists to migrate to. LrC is the best catalog, photo management, and editing program in existence. Unfortunate the company that provides it has chosen a path leading to them killing the businesses of their customers. It's a horrible situation.

​@@jjaylad Have You ever heard off or tried out "Darktable"? Made by photographers for photographers and with the same possibilities as Lightroom.

Yes, I agree with Alltomhusbilen that NAS (Network attached storage) can work as a private cloud. You can access it from anywhere in the world. You will have to pay approximatelyt at least $1,000 up front for a reliable NAS system + hard drives. That’s not including the setup fee it you don’t know how to set it up yourself. However, this system will last a long time. In the long run, it will be much cheaper than cloud storage fee that you pay the cloud companies. The greatest benefit is your data Won't Be HELD HOSTAGE by the cloud companies.