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Advantages and Challenges of a Cold Cut Chopsaw - Kevin Caron 

Kevin Caron, Artist
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Artist Kevin Caron explains why he uses a cold cut chopsaw when creating his sculptures ...
Caron got a lot of questions from his last how-to video about his chopsaw - a lot of guys hadn't seen that kind of cold cut saw. Most people are familiar with an abrasive blade. The problem with abrasive blades is that, if you push too hard when cutting with them, they flex, which can cause a curve in your cut instead of the perfectly straight cut you want. His chopsaw, which is sometimes called a "cold cut saw" or "dry cut saw," has a metal blade. He shows the teeth on a metal blade that just came back from the saw sharpener (it still has the protective wax coating on it). They put a little different pitch on the blade - a little different angle on the top and on the sides to help cut the metal better. The blade he is holding in his hand is a 102-tooth blade, while the one on the chopsaw is a 79-tooth blade. The one with 102 teeth is for harder metals, while the 79-tooth blade is for softer metals like aluminum. These metal blades cut much cleaner and straighter than the abrasive blades, but the blades run from $80 to more than $200. But you can sharpen each blade many times, and saw sharpening companies can actually weld new teeth onto a blade if you hit something hard or break off a tooth. With the abrasive blades, you have to just throw them away, although Caron uses them on his 7" and 4-1/2" angle grinders until they're too small to use. The saws themselves are different, too. The chopsaw that uses metal blades has a much bigger but slower motor. So you can't buy an abrasive blade chopsaw and put a metal blade on it, because it won't turn slowly enough [NOTE: NOT "FAST ENOUGH" AS IN THE VIDEO] - you'll just burn up the motor. Caron has already used his square to check the chopsaw's backstop to make sure it is 90 degrees to the blade. The saw doesn't have a very accurate way to line up the blade, so you can get a few degrees of variation, but using the square can compensate for that. Next, Caron clamps the pipe down. You want to just snug it up, then give it a 1/8 turn or so. If you over-torque it, you can push the backstop up away from the table and bend the table so your backstop is at an angle. Again, there goes your straight cut. Then Caron puts on his safety glasses and ear protection and cuts off the end of the pipe. He points out that he just used the weight of his hand to guide the chopsaw down - he wasn't pushing hard or applying much downward pressure it at all. If you see too many sparks, you know you are putting too much pressure on the blade, which just dulls it - or indicates it is dull. Using the cold cut chopsaw correctly, you get a smooth, clean cut on both sides. They're so clean, you could put the two pieces back together and weld them (some pieces you want to chamfer, or bevel, though). The metal-blade saw is a little slower and probably a little louder than the abrasive-blade saw, but it's a much cleaner, straighter cut. The kerf of the cut is about the same, but the cleaner cut is well worth it. For more how-to videos and to see Caron's sculpture, visit www.kevincaron.com

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@CosmasBauer
@CosmasBauer 10 лет назад
I got one of those and it is amazing how well it works!
@62chevrolet
@62chevrolet 6 лет назад
As a headphone user, the "this is going to get loud" warning was a blessing!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
I've watched the video when you got it, that's a very nice machine. Thanks for the reply it's much appreciated
@retiredguy9743
@retiredguy9743 9 лет назад
Hi Kevin, thank you so much for this review. I just got mine today and i can't believe how much better this is from my old one. its a pleasure to operate and much safer . again thanks,
@SupaNautica
@SupaNautica 8 лет назад
Answers a few questions, thanks. I never thought to use the abrasive on the grinder, cheers.
@stevebigler
@stevebigler 4 года назад
However he did not address the arbor... most 14" choppers have a 1" arbor... so hole too large for basic grinders.
@distinctridesbydavy9353
@distinctridesbydavy9353 10 лет назад
Keep up the great videos!!!
@Mark-pp2ty
@Mark-pp2ty 7 лет назад
Thank you very much. Great work
@PBS-nm1uu
@PBS-nm1uu 7 лет назад
thanks a million for this info, i have been looking for this explanation for a long time..
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
Thanks for watching!
@AircraftEd
@AircraftEd 8 лет назад
Thanks for the info Kevin, enjoy your videos! very helpful. I use an Ellis band (miter) saw and its a great tool, but this cold saw would be great for smooth, clean cuts.
@ww321
@ww321 9 лет назад
I bought a DeWalt Multi Cutter a long time ago when they came out. I got a factory reconditioned one for I think $250. What a great saw. Thanks for the video :)
@guloguloguy
@guloguloguy 4 года назад
Great review/demo! => A Great tool to have!!! Thanks!!!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
Thanks for watching and posting.
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Thanks for the advice dog, when I can afford a saw of that quality I will definetly go that look into it
@chamilaherath7875
@chamilaherath7875 6 лет назад
Very informative.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Thank you for watching!
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Hi Kevin, I just wanted to let you know I think I finally figured out what was glj g on with the makita saws I had. The first saw I bought blade or cutting head was not square to the base. It was off by about 3 degree's. The second saw I bought was also not square to the base but not as bad as the first one. The blade and head would travel perfectly horizontal but the blade was at an angle so when the blade got into the sides of the tubing the back side of the blade was being pushed against causing the blade to bend ever so slightly causing the gouge marks in the metal and always an unsquare cut. It's kind of like a compound cut on a mitre saw except the blade head is travelling straight up and down and the blade is at an angle.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Awesome! Can you adjust it? Little tap with a hammer and the bolts loose might get it in line. Glad you figured it out.
@jacksonyoung9751
@jacksonyoung9751 5 лет назад
I sure would love one of those. Coupled with my powerplasma cutter that would be an awesome combo.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад
That or a horizontal band saw!
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
If you like it a lot it must be decent, I'll take a look at good look at it. They seem to be quite popular. I'd really like to have a cold saw. 50 rpm sounds like a nice speed to cut steel at and they're built very well from what I read. Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it.
@jz422
@jz422 5 лет назад
We have three of the dewalt saws at work and they work very well. When the fab shop decided they needed the one I had I ended up buying a Fein Slugger, after a few uses I noticed it outperforms the Dewalt and is more accurate, a lot smoother and quieter. Best part is they wanted to take it today and I could tell hands off I paid for it it's mine. He wasn't happy!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад
Have to check one out! Thanks for watching.
@robotmotor
@robotmotor 10 лет назад
Thanks Kevin
@yosedeenriquepenasnieto1596
@yosedeenriquepenasnieto1596 5 лет назад
Good video
@Visigoth_
@Visigoth_ 9 лет назад
Man! your videos are awesome! I've been lurking and thought I'd finally post something... thanks a ton for being so helpful and sharing all this great experience/information!!! I was wondering what you think about a band saw stock cutter? that's the only thing they/we used when I was going to school for welding.
@GaryT1952
@GaryT1952 10 лет назад
Beautiful chop saw stand and station you built. I always admire your shop and have never noticed a horizontal band saw. Do you have one?
@PBS-nm1uu
@PBS-nm1uu 7 лет назад
thanks for the info
@tomfrantz
@tomfrantz 9 лет назад
good job on video
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
I did check the bearing and near as I could tell there isn't any play, I did remove the blade and check the bearing. It looks seated properly but I can't say for sure. I googled reviews on the saw, about 200 or so and found 3 that say they had the same problem I'm having but no reason why. I've watched tour videos and followed your instructions so I don't think it's me. I've made around 30 cuts with it so I'm getting familiar with the saw and it doesn't matter how slow and easy I go it still makes a mess of the cut. The other videos I've watched of the saw the cuts turn out perfect. Given the blade isn't square to the base I can only assume this is part of the problem. Even my level says the blade is off from the base. All I can do is return it. I wish you could of seen the pictures. Thanks very much for your help and your videos, I've learned a lot and will continue to. I look forward to more videos.
@jransomtucker
@jransomtucker 9 лет назад
Hi Kevin, thanks for all your videos as I've learned a lot from them! I have one question... if you wanted to cut a bunch of different random angles using angle, square tube, round tube and 6in x 1/4in flat plate, what saw would you get? I don't want an abrasive saw so I was looking into these cold cut saws as I like that they aren't quite as messy. I was also considering a horizontal band saw and compound mitre saws but have no experience yet with any of them. Just been using the trusty angle grinder up to this point. Thanks!
@jonathanwhalen1041
@jonathanwhalen1041 5 месяцев назад
Thank you.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 5 месяцев назад
You're welcome!
@mcmmetalman
@mcmmetalman 10 лет назад
Hi Kevin, I've been watching your videos for years, from Apache Junction. Can you tell me the best place to get your blades sharpened? I have the Evolution Rage. Tkxxx Bob
@Blainewjones
@Blainewjones 10 лет назад
Kevin- Thanks for the great info- I am in the market for one of these- I like the dewalt brand like you have, but there are cheaper models out there too such as Northern for $290. What are your thoughts on the cheaper units? Is it worth the money up front for a good name? I am of the opinion that you generally get what you pay for, but I have had great luck with my Chinese plasma/tig unit! Thanks, Blaine
@MrBat000
@MrBat000 7 лет назад
thanks
@trading56
@trading56 4 года назад
Thanks
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
No problem
@Mark-pp2ty
@Mark-pp2ty 7 лет назад
hi Kevin, I've decided to get one of these to go with band saw. which do you prefer, Dewalt or evolution and which one. thank you again.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
I like the Evo better than the DeWalt. Go with this one,, www.evolutionpowertools.com/us/steel/evosaw380.php
@PBS-nm1uu
@PBS-nm1uu 7 лет назад
thanks for the info,, my question is which is better to buy 10" or 14" i can't make up my mind thanks for your advice..
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
Go with the 14 inch , larger cut and with more teeth on the blade should last longer..
@user-ii8dz4vu7n
@user-ii8dz4vu7n 7 лет назад
10 inch will have more torque, 14 inch will last longer.
@rywolf01
@rywolf01 7 лет назад
An evolution rage 2 is on sale at Lowes for 209. The Depot had it for 180 but no longer have it. The blades on the evolution I think operate better than the dewilt
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
I agree, like the Evo blade better.
@Rattletrap2
@Rattletrap2 9 лет назад
Kevin,one other thing I thought you were going to point out is that the small piece of pipe you cut off could be picked up with a bare hand. There is little to no heat generated with these saws. Otherwise great job and good info! Oh, and as someone pointed out.....the "voice" is kind of like "Wilson" on the old home improvement show. Full of wisdom, but never seen! lol Glad you have a great partner there!
@Rattletrap2
@Rattletrap2 9 лет назад
Are we talking the saw........ or "the voice"? lol If it's the latter... been going on 38 years for us!
@darrylmansfield7954
@darrylmansfield7954 10 лет назад
Very timely video - I just ordered one, should be here next week. What type of business should I look for that does sharpening and blade repair? Also, do you use abrasion saw much any more? If so why one vs the other? Thanks for posting the video - very informative on how to properly use cold cut saw.
@darrylmansfield7954
@darrylmansfield7954 10 лет назад
***** Thanks, I actually took a double plunge - I know also have a horizontal metal cutting bandsaw in addition. Putting it all together - next up the blade lubrication system, and then a test cut. Thanks for the reply.
@tonybaggett1984
@tonybaggett1984 7 лет назад
I've watched this video a dozen times and it's the most informative one about dry cut saws out there. When you first got started and after all your years of experience, if you could afford only one a dry cut saw or a 4x6 horizontal/ vertical band saw what would you buy?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
I would go with the bandsaw. Bigger cutting area and longer lasting blade. The blades for the bandsaw are also cheaper than the dry cut saw.
@tonybaggett1984
@tonybaggett1984 7 лет назад
Thanks Kevin!
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 2 года назад
I *have* such a bandsaw. It really helps save my too-scarce wheaties.
@unclefrankonap1953
@unclefrankonap1953 9 лет назад
thanks kevin are you happy with the dawalt. Or would you recommend another swa. thank you somuch enjoy video,s.
@unclefrankonap1953
@unclefrankonap1953 9 лет назад
*****
@samrowe2889
@samrowe2889 4 года назад
What model is your dewalt and wat blade did you have on it I'm most positive we have the samn saw and I have been checking and checking to make sure I get the right one
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
Sorry but this saw has been replaced with an Evolution saw. I do use blades from Continental. I get them from the saw shop where I get them sharpened.
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
base on it is cast aluminum and there is no flex at all, it very solid and rigid. Another problem I seem to be having is the blade wants to or appears to be jumping back and forth during the cut and leaving ridges in the metal instead of a smooth finish. I can't determine if this is from blade flex or play in the drive. During the cutting process there will be a steady and consistent sound of metal being cut and then all of a sudden there will be a very loud change in the sound of the blade cutting the metal. It occurs multiple times as I bring the blade down as you can see in the pictures. It makes very little difference how slow I go. I can take 30 seconds to cut a 2" x2"x 1/16 tubing or I can take 3 min, the results are the same. I will return it if you think that's what should happen. I just had nothing to compare it to so that's why I thought I would get your opinion. The square I used in the picture is highly accurate, new and checked for accuracy and is reliable. I did tighten the bolt 2 days ago but it did not tighten much, it is already quite tight and I can't find any play in the neck of the saw. Just in case you were wondering the blade kerf is. 07. The blade I'm using came with the saw and has 60 Teeth. I hope I gave you all the information you will need. I really appreciate your help as I really don't know anything about these saws and am at a loss if it's the saw, me or the blade. I I can't figure out how to get photos on here, im using my cell phone. Greg
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
I would return it! Sounds like you have a bad motor (the bearings or bushings are bad or not installed correctly) causing a wobble in the blade. Did you check to make sure the blade is installed correctly? Try this, with the saw unplugged! Pull the handle down and lock the blade in the storage position. Hold the blade so it can't turn and try lifting the blade and or push or pull the blade backwards and forwards. See if you feel any slop. From what you described there is a bad bearing in the motor.
@nickcleveland4572
@nickcleveland4572 4 года назад
that's all good but I have iron shop and the Dewalt no where near enough saw .if you was cutting 6in square 1/4 wall do they make an abrasive saw to handle that also how long do blades last..I've had that Dewalt saw before and it is way to small hp wise .we have twice as big saw that cuts really fast but don't like all the heat or fire from it
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
Some folk just need a bigger machine for the work they do. Nothing wrong with the DeWalt, just a little small for some.
@nephtalilucero8084
@nephtalilucero8084 6 лет назад
Ive been using the evolutuion metal blades. Where would i get these blades re-sharpened or repaired. What kind of company would be able to sharpen/ repair? Much thanks!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Any sharpening shop should be able to handle them. Just google "saw blade sharpening in your area" You will find a few.
@longllamas
@longllamas 4 года назад
Sorry I was a little confused, where you said that the cold cut saw is bigger motor but much slower, but then you said that if you put a cold saw blade on a abrasive chop saw, it will be too slow. Which one is faster the cold cut or abrasive?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
Sorry, the mouth runs faster than the brain sometimes. The abrasive saw is faster.
@elgayetas
@elgayetas 2 года назад
Hello sir, What is the best chop saw blade combo, to cut metal joist,
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад
I like the Evolution EVOSAW380 and run the blades that come with it. Or get www.championcuttingtool.com/item/RZR-STEEL/Brute-RZR-Cermet-Circular-Saw-Blades which is what I normally use.
@coldion1
@coldion1 7 лет назад
Thank you for the video Kevin. Would you please tell me what brand of blades you recommend? There is a big difference in price for metal cutting blades from different manufactures. As a hobbies I can afford to take a few minutes to file a burr off of a cut peace, if it means saving a few hundred dollars on the cost of a blade. Also, how careful are you with position the peace that you are cutting in the front to back direction? The manual for my Milwaukee saw talks about adjusting the position of the fence depending on the size of the peace but I don't really understand how important it is or how you should position a piece of U channel for example.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
I use Continental blades for the most part, that is what the saw shop carries. You are correct on the price of them, they are really out of the range of most folk. Check on Amazon for some cheaper blades and also call your local saw sharpening shops to see if they have used blades for sale. I get great prices on them here in Phoenix. As to positioning your metal in the vise for cutting, mostly they are talking about just getting a good tight clamp on it before you cut. When the metal comes loose in mid cut it will ruin the blade as well as scare the crap out of you !
@d.slater3958
@d.slater3958 6 лет назад
I'm thinking about buying a cold cut saw. It would complement my powerplasma cutter I think. Thank you for this video.
@user-rs1990
@user-rs1990 8 лет назад
A cold-cut drop saw is also more expensive, but it has the advantage of also being able to cut non-metallic materials e.g. timber or plastic.
@tommachell5948
@tommachell5948 3 года назад
Great Video. How long will blades last before sharpening? How much does sharpening typically cost? How much to replace teeth. How many sharpening will am blade take?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад
I can get several hundred cuts on a blade. Costs about $35 for a resharpen and the teeth are about $65 to replace.
@tommachell5948
@tommachell5948 3 года назад
@@KevincaronSculpture Thanks for the information.
@phillipjordanatd
@phillipjordanatd 8 лет назад
My friend recently bought a cold metal saw (rage) i believe was the name of it. Its a full miter slide saw. He spent a great amount of money on it. I had some previous experience with cold cut saw blades and im not a fan. Its loud theres hot metal chips that fly everywhere and i have to be standing there to do my work. Granted if you had something over 1/4"thick like some tubing this might be the tool you would want. I prefer my 64 1/2" horizontal bandsaw. I set turn it on and walk away. blades seem to last and when they break its only 15.00 bucks
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 8 лет назад
+Phillip Jordan Yeah, mime is a chip spiter also..
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Hello Kevin, I recently switched to a cold cut saw, Milwaukee. I wasn't getting straight cuts vertically so I checked for square between the base of the saw and the blade using my tool makers square accurate to. 00002. And according to the square the blade is out over a 4 inch span 1/32. Have you ever dealt with this and if so what was your solution. I'm trying to build furniture and this is creating some issues. Thank you for your time Greg
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
If it is new and you just got it can you take it back? If not then you need to figure out where the problem is. The DeWalt I had was always off just a little because the bed would bend so the metal was not sitting flat and square. Maybe look where the "tower" attaches to the bed and see if it is loose or maybe not installed right. Send me some photos and maybe I can help.
@CrazyKiwiGee
@CrazyKiwiGee 6 лет назад
For furniture I would be using a cold saw...ravinvic or macc make the best ones...perfect burr free,repeatable cuts everytime...expensive but will last a lifetime and make life easy
@9876543212001
@9876543212001 10 лет назад
Hi, Kevin , Gordon here, I've used wet cut metal cutting saws that cut at a very slow speed why the difference? They are expensive too for the home hobbyist.
@44Celt
@44Celt 9 лет назад
Whats the max thickness of steel bar can you cut with this saw and blade. I chop up a lot of 2" x 1/2" CRS into 3" blocks. Will this saw be efficient?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 9 лет назад
44Celt The biggest piece I have run through this saw was a 4 inch solid round billet. Had to turn it and make a second cut to finish but it cut straight and true. For 2 inch,,, like butter!!!
@WestCoastMods
@WestCoastMods 9 лет назад
Have you ever used a diamond blade on the chop saw....btw what model is it, you forgot to mention that.
@WestCoastMods
@WestCoastMods 9 лет назад
***** Check out the Dewalt Diamond Blade here...I am a Pipefitter and we use these at work for cutting structural steel...very impressed. Cuts through metal like butter www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW8500-14-Inch-1-Inch-Diamond/dp/B004L3X9AU/ref=sr_1_15?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1421779308&sr=1-15&keywords=14+diamond+saw+blade&pebp=1421779312577&peasin=B004L3X9AU
@CharlesStruble
@CharlesStruble 10 лет назад
Very cool tool! (Ya listenin' Santa?) Good questions from The Voice, as usual. Setup: let's see...square twice, cut once...Thanks guys!
@marcomtrujillo1889
@marcomtrujillo1889 4 года назад
In other similar videos they cut alot faster does it depend on the blade?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
Yes, and if they have to pay for the blade or if it it free. I have to pay to have mine sharpened and also buy the blade. They are in the $150 to $200 dollar range. You can find them in the $70 dollar range but they don't last very long.
@aaronwatson6233
@aaronwatson6233 2 года назад
My 14" Evo chop saw blade that I gave $100 for broke 2 teeth within 10 min and 4 cuts in angle iron. Can I still use it?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад
Yes, but it would be better if you got it fixed first.
@Dusk-87
@Dusk-87 8 лет назад
thank you sir but the problem i have is if i want to cut 5 inches my chop more than 5 inches so i get less out of my metal
@ManishKumar-df1zd
@ManishKumar-df1zd 7 лет назад
Can any cold shut cutting machine be used for cutting Tungsten carbide rods? I also dont want to ove heat the material as i need to analyse it under microscope. Can you suggest any way i can cut tungeten carbide material with hardness of around 2000HV hardness
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
Sorry, never played with tungsten carbide. I would think a horizontal bandsaw would do the job but I really don't know for sure.
@coldion1
@coldion1 7 лет назад
I would think an abrasive cutoff disk would be the only common way to cut carbide. The teeth on the cold cut blade are carbide and are not hard enough to cut carbide. You can get diamond abrasive disks on amazon. For thin tungsten carbide rods I often just hold them in a pair of needle nose pliers and twist until they snap. When cutting tungsten carbide it is important to wear a mask. If the dust gets into your lungs i can stay there for a long time.
@chance90064
@chance90064 8 лет назад
Hey Kevin, I think I have the exact same chop saw as you do. I love it! do you ever notice if you're cutting something like one and a half inch square tube, the saw seems to not cut? or as if the saw is very dull? If I chuck up a piece of 1 inch round tube it slices it like butter, but the square tube it will basically take pressure to make it cut, and I don't like that of course. I had to cut some 3 inch square tube for a friend and I basically ruined a saw blade doing that. now I'm just trying to cut one and a quarter inch Square tube and it's feeling the same as when I was cutting his. and I don't want to ruin another hundred dollar blade. does it have something to do with the geometry?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 8 лет назад
+Beach N Wheelchairs Yes it does!! The more you are cutting on a flat side the less pressure you have to put on the handle.. Anything more than just the weight of your hand will burn out the blade and you have to resharpen. When you are cutting something like the 3 inch square add a little piece of 1/4 by 1/4 under one side of the stock. That will keep the blade from having to cut a long flat side and make it cut better and last longer..
@chance90064
@chance90064 8 лет назад
+Kevin Caron, Artist Very smart! I will try that. I probably do need to get this blade sharpened but I don't know any place around here that does it. do you mail yours off or someone local?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 8 лет назад
+Beach N Wheelchairs I use a local saw sharpening shop...
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Hi Kevin, a couple months ago you were trying to help me sort out a problem I had with my makita cold cut saw. I returned it and got another and I still have the same problem, no matter what I try and no matter what I cut I get the same ugly results, I'm at my witts end. I don't have the money to buy the Dewalt or other brands as they are more expensive than the makita. I think I'm just going to go back to a small bandsaw. The blades are cheap, I do t have chips flying all over the place etc. However I would appreciate your opinion on what you think what type of machine I should buy and the brand. Cold cut saw vs bandsaw vs cold saw. Even if I can't afford your suggestion right now I might be able to in the future Thanks Greg
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
The only bandsaw I have experience with is my Ellis 1800.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Just don't understand why you are having trouble with the saw. Maybe go with an Evolution instead of the Makita. It is cheaper but I have that one and like it a lot!
@bobwolf3370
@bobwolf3370 7 лет назад
Can you add a cooling system for the bade?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
Probable rig a fan to blow on it, but it cuts for such a short time.
@artgoat
@artgoat 6 лет назад
Bending the table when you tighten the clamp is only a problem with the DeWalt, because it has a notoriously flimsy stamped deck. It's important to get the clamp tight enough that it's impossible for the work to slip, because a shift can wreck your blade and make your life unhappy in all other kinds of ways.
@nanouk142
@nanouk142 5 лет назад
hello, i got a question for you please, see i have a makita chopsaw with 4000 rpm motor i know this works good for aluminum but i need to cut 2 mm thick pieces of iron would that be reasonable to just buy a metal plate like the one you use and do the job or not; actually i have a doubt i don't know if 400 rpm is enough for iron , i don't want to damage the machine. Thank you.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад
I have been told that the abrasive chop saws run too fast for a toothed blade and you will ruin the blade. The blade you have will work, just go slow and let it cut on its' own. If you push to hard it will give you a bad cut.
@nanouk142
@nanouk142 5 лет назад
@@KevincaronSculpture well i guess i can start :), thanks for the help.
@Jonasinc1
@Jonasinc1 9 лет назад
Is there a chop saw that will cut angles in two dimensions like a miter saw? I've done a lot of research on the Internet. I wasn't able to find one. If not, why aren't they made?
@marklamb9878
@marklamb9878 9 лет назад
Yes. The Evolution Rage 3 sliding compound miter saw uses the same principle, a 10" blade, and does all you're asking and more. It's on par with the Harbor Freight SCMS as far as build quality, and the clamping system leaves a little to be desired, but I've cut hundreds of feet of steel and stainless with mine and couldn't imagine not having it in my shop. It's portable, cuts quickly, and blades are only about $50. The Oshlun brand works very well. We've laid it over to do a 45°x45° cut in .5x2" cold rolled to make a triangular base to securely hold a cube on point. Weld quality fitup with no fuss.
@DarrenBoxhall
@DarrenBoxhall 3 года назад
Is there a slow speed cold cut? I swear I used one when I was younger but can't find one. The blade didn't spin fast at all
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад
Not sure, never heard of one like that.
@metalfab2449
@metalfab2449 2 года назад
The industrial cold saws run pretty slow
@9876543212001
@9876543212001 10 лет назад
Do you know why the difference in speed though ? Just wondering.
@marklamb9878
@marklamb9878 9 лет назад
Roughly 2500 rpms vs. 5000 rpms on a wood cutting miter saw.
@lavenso
@lavenso 7 лет назад
We are using now abrasive saw and make around 150 cuts per day. Do you think switching to cold cut will be more cost effective?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
More cost effective if you can train the guys to not push the saw.. You have to let it cut at it's own speed. The blades are expensive to buy ($70 to $200) but are resharpenable for about 25 times or so. then you just weld on new teeth and go again..
@Okie-Tom
@Okie-Tom 6 лет назад
Kevin Caron, Artist Kevin, you say weld on new teeth. Can you tell me where you get the carbide teeth to put on and what flux and brazing rod you use? Love your videos.
@leonardpearlman4017
@leonardpearlman4017 3 года назад
@@Okie-Tom They're silver-soldered. Carbide Processors has a bunch of information, plus all the fluxes and materials, including little chunks of carbide for this purpose. Also there are videos about how to do this, they have their own. I think the teeth are cheap, but it's skilled work, and then you still have to sharpen it!
@josephlamacchia7364
@josephlamacchia7364 9 лет назад
Kevin - have you used this saw to cut Stainless Steel. I'm looking for the right tool to cut solid SS bar. Any thoughts?
@customhaines2510
@customhaines2510 8 лет назад
There are blade made for stainless. Search Amazon. They cost a little more than mild steel cutting blades.
@Mentorcase
@Mentorcase 4 года назад
Mine worked great till I tried cutting stainless pipe at 45 degrees, the blade did not like it.
@MARTIALCOMBATIVES
@MARTIALCOMBATIVES 7 лет назад
i'm a real pickle , building a 20' long driveway gate , all one section, i've been throwing around getting saw for years, had an abrasive one but it really was just a hacker, now i have to pull the trigger on something, do you know anything about the evolution 380? also, blades say ferrous metal, but i got one slice out of a diablo for a circular saw and it was shot , will these cold cut saws cut cold role and other steels, or just soft stuff? thanks $400 IS A LOT TO SIT ON A SHELF most of my stuff is aluminum and i have a chop saw for that, but steel is a bitch for me. no place to get them sharpened around here, how long would these blades last on cold role steel? thanks
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
I get about 400 cuts out of my saw blades before then need sharpening.. The big trick is to just go slow and let it cut.. You can't force it like an abrasive blade.
@MARTIALCOMBATIVES
@MARTIALCOMBATIVES 7 лет назад
i can always count on a prompt reply thank you i i'm going to do it do yo uthink the evolution is the best or for around 400 another
@user-im8iy9kg5b
@user-im8iy9kg5b 7 лет назад
The absence of laser is considered to be a deficiency؟؟؟
@shawnschmidt2647
@shawnschmidt2647 9 лет назад
enjoyed your video But one thing I have to tell you is the saw is called a drycutter not a coldsaw. coldsawn use a high speed steel blade and coolent. Thanks the Drycutter Guru Shawn.
@marcomtrujillo1889
@marcomtrujillo1889 4 года назад
What's the cost on the sharpening
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
If it is just a sharpening then it's about $45 dollars. If they have to replace a tooth it's $65 per tooth.
@stevebigler
@stevebigler 4 года назад
Kev... have too much stuff, so not buying another saw... that said, for real world guys like me that are going to do it wrong regardless... can you use the 1600-1800 rated metal cutting blades on a 3500-3800 (Milwaukee) chopsaw... for 3/16 - 1/4" max tube cutting? Random cuts... not long thick cuts where things might get hot... Thanks!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
I have been told not to do this! The abrasive chop saws just run too fast for the toothed blades to work for any amount of time. Yes, you can make some cuts but the blade will not last as long as they should.
@lokeswarimalepati867
@lokeswarimalepati867 3 года назад
Can we cut ribbed rebars with this saw?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 3 года назад
All day long!
@lokeswarimalepati867
@lokeswarimalepati867 3 года назад
Thank you
@lavenso
@lavenso 7 лет назад
Finally to what extant is abrasive blade more cost effective if it is?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
Other than the cost of buying one I don't find them cost effective at all. Messy and not very straight cuts.
@lavenso
@lavenso 7 лет назад
What if take in account only price and lifespan of blade? ignoring all other advantages of cold saw. thank you
@KingstonWade88
@KingstonWade88 7 лет назад
Levan Kikacheishvili a metal blade will last 20x longer than an abrasive disc. So if you buy 20 discs at $15 each then that's $300 vs $100-$150 for 1 metal blade. Hope this helps
@lavenso
@lavenso 7 лет назад
Valuable information. Thank you
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Kevin, I put up a video showing how the saw cut if you would like to have a look Greg Austin
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Sure, what's the link?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
found it, check the video for my number.
@goyslop4289
@goyslop4289 7 лет назад
that's a dry cut saw, not a cold cut...cold cut saws turn at lower than 100 rpms, have flood coolant and are always mounted to extremely sturdy bases
@Donorcyclist
@Donorcyclist 4 года назад
Google cold cut saw and see what comes up. Not saying your wrong, but google seems to disagree with you.
@organicvids
@organicvids 2 года назад
333 dont you mean metal blade on abrasive blade chop saw?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад
Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Sometimes my mouth runs faster than my brain. Thanks for watching and posting.
@organicvids
@organicvids 2 года назад
@@KevincaronSculpture looking at an evolution raptor chop saw. Low rpm. I tried using a metal blade on dewalt mitre saw it has 4000 rpm didnt work so good. Diablo blade.
@shexdensmore
@shexdensmore 9 лет назад
What's the thickest solid bar have v you cut?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 9 лет назад
shexdensmore 4 inch round stock. Steel.
@shexdensmore
@shexdensmore 9 лет назад
Kevin Caron, Artist that's solid, not tubular, right?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 9 лет назад
Yes, solid steel round stock.. Had to cut it in to for the lathe piece I was playing with..
@shexdensmore
@shexdensmore 9 лет назад
Ok, so what's the smallest you would cut safely with the 66 toothed blade? I'm thinking of getting a 90 toothed blade for 3/8" square mild steel stock.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 9 лет назад
Had a 72 tooth (I think) on there and it ripped the 1/4 by1/4 stock right out of the vise.. I won't cut anything smaller than 3/8 with this saw.. Use a shear or a cut off wheel on the grinder instead.. My opinion only!
@Al-tl2ov
@Al-tl2ov 9 лет назад
If I understood you right you said you can't put a metal blade on a abrasive saw, if that's what I heard that's incorrect. A abrasive saw turns twice the RPM's as a cold saw, if you put a metal blade on an abrasive saw it will not last long. Again, if I understood you correctly.
@TheKaffeeKlatsch
@TheKaffeeKlatsch 7 лет назад
DW 872
@africanhistory
@africanhistory 6 лет назад
Hey Kevin What you doing?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Just having fun and making sparks!
@gregaustin8320
@gregaustin8320 6 лет назад
Unfortunately Kevin there is absolutely no adjustment, it's frame is different than any other of the saws I looked at. It's pivot point is exactly the same design as say a 4x6 bandsaws and everything is cast aluminum. The fit is so tight there is no play at all. The only thing I could think of doing was machining the flange the blade rests on but I didn't feel confident doing that so I returned it. I'm looking at the evo saw you have but will have to save up a bit for that one. I watched your video on the evo and it does seem to be a very nice saw but the blades seem questionable which is no big deal. Does it cut square on the vertical plane? I don't want to buy one and have the same problem with the sides of the tubing being marked up and need to be ground down smooth and square. I do understand it can be made square horizontally. I'd like to converse with you in a number of things, if your willing I'd like to have your email address, if not I understand
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
I find the Evo works very well. No complaints on the cut. I think it cuts almost as good as the handsaw. Just a much smaller throat for cut size. The blades last about 400 cuts or so before you have to resharpen them.. Feel free to email me at my first name @ my full name .com I am heading back east for a few weeks towards the end of the month so it might take me a few days to get back to you.
@richardgraham65
@richardgraham65 6 лет назад
If you take a look at the big manufacturers, i.e. Makita, Maktec, they all tell you that cold cut carbide blades CANNOT / SHOULD NOT be re-sharpened!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Must be nice to have that much money to spend on blades. I will keep resharpening mine thank you for posting.
@dagbladetkukk
@dagbladetkukk 5 лет назад
You are god😎
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 5 лет назад
Okay, now I am blushing!!
@franciscosalazar8973
@franciscosalazar8973 6 лет назад
No reutilices los discos de sierras en otras de menor diámetro. No están diseñadas para las mismas revoluciones por minuto. A menor diámetro mayores son las RPM y un disco de una maquina mas grande, que no esta diseñado para altas RPM suele estallar. Es peligroso
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Thanks for posting!
@franciscosalazar8973
@franciscosalazar8973 6 лет назад
por cierto, muy buen video!
@KarasCyborg
@KarasCyborg 10 лет назад
The chop saws are a great portable/cheap way of making angled cuts. The chop saws throw sparks, carbon disc powder, and hot metal all over the shop, and makes a mess. Wouldn't take much for a spark to find a flammable liquid or oily rag in most shops...smolder all day and come home to ashes. I don't think those fumes are great for you either. I find the blade warps if you push too hard and can affect your cutting accuracy. Also the noise is terrible, worse than a chain saw. I think a band saw is a much better way to go for accuracy, noise, and low toxicity. A good miter band saw will run about 3k, you can get a cheap Grizzly for around 600 but you will be sorry as you will have to move the vice to do angled cuts, and the hydraulic cylinders are crapola eventually leaking out and rendering the saw useless. Go with Ellis Saw or better.
@totheknee
@totheknee Год назад
Maybe calling it a "cold cut" is a bit iffy considering the real cold saws that exist: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IsLSVWDQcEc.html But at least you also put chopsaw in the title.
@forkitover1
@forkitover1 6 лет назад
Not true, I've been using a metal blade on an "abrasive blade" saw for years and years and it works great and does not burn up the motor.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Good for you.
@juanandrade9553
@juanandrade9553 6 лет назад
What kinda saw do you have? I have a ridged saw.
@Axel-ro7dn
@Axel-ro7dn 8 лет назад
Cold cut ? Don't you mean dry cut ?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 8 лет назад
My mouth running faster than my brain again!
@shexdensmore
@shexdensmore 9 лет назад
So you're just literally resting your arm on it?
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 9 лет назад
shexdensmore More like place my hand on the handle to pull the trigger. Just enough to feel the handle go down..
@MegaDpenner
@MegaDpenner 7 лет назад
can a guy simply put one of these blades on his dewalt miter saw and be able to cut steel with it instead of buying a whole new saw
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 7 лет назад
No, the motor on the wood chop saw runs too fast for the metal cutting blade. You will overheat the blade and dull the teeth very quickly. And the metal cutting chopsaw has a bigger motor. More torque.
@jonathangarzon2798
@jonathangarzon2798 2 года назад
DONT PUSH ON ABRASIVE CUTTERS. They are basically a big grinders,
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 2 года назад
True! And that is why you get an angle cut as well.
@rapunzeleh546
@rapunzeleh546 4 года назад
uh... most guys? even in 2014 that would have been a comment from 1940
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
My bad, should have said "most people". I will beat myself with an extension cord in a few moments.
@scottaero
@scottaero 4 года назад
why aren't you just using the right tool for the job??
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 4 года назад
because sometimes you don't have the "right" tool. You have to get creative and make do.
@mikedelam
@mikedelam 10 лет назад
Sooo, you send your blades to the dentist to get their teeth fixed?
@missismiggins7329
@missismiggins7329 6 лет назад
Kevin, you really should stay away from machinery and fast moving objects after medication or alcohol!
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture 6 лет назад
Never any of that stuff in my studio and I resent the implication.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 2 года назад
Ugh! Radiac Wheels! I *hate* those awful things! Noise, smoke, fumes, more noise, yet more noise, sparks, fire! Awful!
@Airea613
@Airea613 6 лет назад
Get your facts straight ...... could have been a helpful video.
@robertgardner7470
@robertgardner7470 Год назад
THAT IS NOT A COLD CUT SAW. You have a high speed cut off saw that uses an abrasive wheel.
@KevincaronSculpture
@KevincaronSculpture Год назад
No, I have a slow speed cutoff saw that uses a toothed blade.
@robertgardner7470
@robertgardner7470 Год назад
@@KevincaronSculpture OK, thank you for informing me.
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