@@Leon_S._Kennedywoah, does it mean you didnt play Remake? How does it feel following the story? As someone who play Remake, I'm interested to know if someone who didnt play Remake can enjoy the story.
You skipped the whole 2yrs in between where he was living happily with Tifa and the kids 😭 starting a business together and telling Tifa he wants to "start a new life" with her and how "I have you this time". He left 2 weeks before the start of AC due to geostigma, and that's when the survivor guilt kicked in and he didn't want to be a burden to his family.
@@jinnimooNot even. As soon as Cloud got the request to deliver a bouquet from Elmyra to the Forgotten City, he left your precious on page 51 Nojima’s OtWtaS. Six months he was gone according to Denzel searching through Cloud’s MISSED CALLS from 7th Heaven in AC full version. Why would he leave because of Geostigma only to leave Denzel behind with Tifa and Marlene who had Geostigma? To sleep in Aerith’s church of all places and not looking for a cure. Explain why Cloud is with Tifa in WoFF and leaves everyone to go on a hunt for Sephiroth? How Terra calls him out on his LOVE FOR AERITH? You can find Cloud in the Ancients library at the end of that game- not in Nibelheim. Why did Cloud opt to leave the present time to go to the future in Mobius FF if he’s so happy with Tifa??? Cloud is miserable without Aerith. Spare me the non-English, poorly translated Bentstuff Ultimanias speech.
@@jinnimoo Cloud didn't suddenly fall into depression because he randomly contracted geostigma. It's the other way around. He caught it BECAUSE he was struggling. It's all but said that geostigma affects those who are at the brink of despair and thinking of suicide. Yes, Cloud was *trying* to start a new life with Tifa, Marlene, and Barrett and considers them his family. But to say he was just fine and dandy then went all emo boy for the plot is disingenuous. He already felt this way but was trying to make things work.
@SugarOBunny "Cloud got a peaceful life that he had never experienced, and on the contrary, he became anxious. Meanwhile, he faced death due to Geostigma and ran away, thinking he couldn't protect his precious one." - Nojima, AC prologue "Through many twists and turns, the two of them drew closer. In AC, four of them live together in Edge, including Barrett's daughter Marlene and a boy named Denzel. After that, when Cloud developed Geostigma, they were separated for a time, but in the end, they had a heart-to-heart and started living together again." [CCFF7 Complete Guide] "The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud…" -10th AU Cloud’s profile
@@jinnimoo The first quote strengthens my point. That's basically what I said. The immediate danger was gone and Cloud and the others tried to move on in that time of peace. Despite this, as PTSD usually does, Cloud's trauma haunted him. When he was triggered by Elmyra's (misdirected but understandable) resentment of him, he spiraled. It worsened to the point that he became infected with Geostigma, and he isolated himself to misguidedly "protect" his loved ones. And what's your point of the second quote? I never said he didn't move on at the end of AC, I said that the two years between OG and AC weren't as happy as you implied. In fact, Cloud and Tifa's communicative dysfunction in AC and the healthy outcome at the end is one of my favorite parts of the movie. It's only after forgiving himself for Aerith and Zack that he can be capable of focusing on loving his current family instead of the should haves and might have beens that he's hung up on between OG and AC. i.e, "Which is it? Us? Or...a memory?" edited to add: The third quote you edited in is still not an argument against me. I agree that he wants to be happy with Tifa and the others. Yet he ultimately cannot be because these things are haunting him. No amount of dodgy, decontextualized quotes are going to change the narrative that Cloud struggled mentally throughout the 8 years between Crisis Core and Advent Children. His struggles are literally the point of his character arc, the main idea of FFVII. Also, admittedly this is just a nitpick, but can we acknowledge that the business was actually Barrett's idea and Marlene is literally HIS daughter, please. Stop acting like Tifa and Cloud and the kids are the only ones involved here. 🙄
@@tonebalone9203 there is still chance for part 3, i mean he defied fate and created an alternative timeline where she lives, she probably will return, the question is if it will be a permanently or not(probably not but still)
I'm convinced that this is some kind of dreamtime battle between Sephiroth and Aerith. The original story is happening but there's a whole meta story happening too where time and space are being manipulated from beyond the grave by these two who have become more powerful than ever now that they're one with the lifestream. They are both deeply unsatisfied with how they're lives played out and are desperately trying to change things.
This makes absolutely sense. I am an og fan i am 37* now. This is what it is. It came to my mind about Sephiroth also being a victim in a way and trying to change his fate. And Areith as well this so sad and awesome😢
Agreed. I feel like the 2 whispers hide the OG and truth from cloud. Dark ones kinda torture him while the light ones make him happy to keep his psyche
I think so. Sephiroth tries to stop Aerith from giving white materia to Cloud, but to save the planet Aerith thinks that white materia has to be in Cloud's hand no matter what even if it costs her own life. Unfortunately Cloud doesnt seem to understand, the only thing he wants is not being a failure, his mom, village, Zack, it only makes sense he went crazy to fail again.
Her living would be the same as Jack living at the end of Titanic. A happy ending? Maybe. But the beauty of the story is in their deaths. Her living would be a disrespect to the original story. I have a feeling they may "bring her back" later in the 3rd game, and I wouldn't actually mind that (Rebirth). But just keeping her alive would just destroy everything.
@@melissafigueiraferreira5794thw problem is i feel like they’re gonna bring her back through the other timeline where zack is… and atm that timeline looks like the end if the world.
The point is (this time around) that all possibilities happen. She is both dead and alive, and the whole fighting is about who gets to decide what will be when the timelines become one.
People forget Zack was only a small part of the OG and she states he was her first boyfriend but she only liked him, CC came around and changed it now he was her first love and she only likes cloud.
@@TeHNyboRnot really. Nojima said to think of things of Ultimania as supplement to the story. And that novel came directly from that. Though I wpuld agree there seems to be a retcon with Zack.
@@LodyPolskieNarodoweNot according to every official source and ultimania 😂 where to this day STILL doesn't confirm Cloud's feelings for Aerith being romantic in nature, unlike with Tifa where its confirmed mutual.
@@jinnimoo You again huh? After we have debunked you so many times, you still dare to come here and spam random cloti things? Ok tell me, where is it stated Cloud has feelings for her? Even if he does and I still doubt it, they NEVER became a couple. Maybe the ultimania doesn't confirm it, but the game does.
Ship wars are so weird to me lmao. I don’t understand why what some other person thinks about 2 fictional characters blushing at each other weighs so heavily on their minds. Don’t even get me started on “canon couple” debates
Dead Girl: I like you. Don’t blame yourself for what’ll happen. Hugs. Takes all the initiative. Dedicates him a whole ballad number in a full theater. Uses other timelines to support him in battle and distress. Cloud: Just listens with jaw dropped. No concrete response ever. Not even about liking Tifa better. Stays cold and flatlined with her until she’s ‘bout to be stabbed and bleeds out. Talks to her ghost more candidly than he ever did when she was alive.
@@Step43099...except Uematsu said that it was a love song. The singer said that in singing the song, she had to understand Cloud and Aerith's relationship, and the words are clearly about Cloud. The only person she met on the cobblestone streets was Cloud. You have to really be in denial to say that it wasn't about him.
@@divinearia1601 …except Nojima, the person who actually wrote the song, said exactly what it’s about. It’s not about Cloud, it’s not even about Zack or any specific person. I could try to quote his words but I’ll just link the full video of Nojima, Uematsu, and Nomura discussing many things about the game, one section of which is the making of NPTK Edit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-okZYq0KjXvg.htmlsi=Hh-WKc663CLQELUa Here ya go. Around 32 minutes in is when they talk about NPTK. Didn’t mean to be rude to you by the way.
Aerith literally telling cloud she really likes him… as well as telling him she wants to be with him during their date in the gold saucer… Zack and Tifa fans: “NaH sHe LikeS zAcK” “He LiKeS tIfA” 🙄
She never said she wanted to be with him during the date, she said she wanted to know the real him. Also right before she says this line he friendzoned her (it’s more blatant in Japanese and the other translations) so there’s no room for interpretation. They ain’t happening, she’s reuniting with Zack, he’s getting with Tifa.
@@venomactual73won’t change the fact he friendzoned her lol. If he really wanted her he would’ve kissed her like he did Tifa…or almost kiss her in Gongaga…like he did with Tifa lol. Cope 😂
Honestly I kind of feel like this scene is very undermined by the ending of this game. And even the first game suffers from this problem. And it's not that aerith was "killed" my issue is I don't think this game works as a trilogy of games. I mean so far both games have been amazing and work amazingly but it was a mistake to devide these 3 games up. However I do I understand why it had to be done that way and the word mistake is a harsh way to put it. As I said I feel like we got something amazing but I feel like sacrifices had to be made( like the undermining of this touching emotional scene for example) and for the record on its own it's still emotional and touching but something feels lost having to have devided up the 3 games and I feel like had the devs waited until the tech was able to combine all 3 games into one we could have had one of the most amazing video game experiences ever made. Because I will admit I don't think we are there yet but I think we are getting there.
It was always canon, that's the whole point of a love triangle. Both girls like Cloud romantically _and_ as his friends. Notice how they didn't have her say she loves him? And toys with the concepy of what "liking" means. They are deliberatly letting the player interpret whatever path they want to (Tifa or Aerith, both or none).
@@tranquocviet5348 That it considered "true" in the story. Like games can have several different endings etc but only "one" ending is considered the "true" ending.
@@Mukation Well to me this game just focuses on Aerith and Cloud first, then Tifa and Cloud second. I think they did a terrible job of a 'love triangle'. They literally just made Tifa look second best in this game. It just focuses on Aerith and Cloud's forbidden romance.
It’s a different Aerith which is how she can express her feelings for him the other Aerith told him in remake not to fall in love with her. The glitches between timelines. When Sephiroth stabs her we see different versions. One with no blood then the glitch then with blood. Tifa sees the same thing. The timelines will come together. There’s still one Aerith alive in Zack’s timeline. How they bring it all together I can’t wait to see.
As someone who is waiting for the PC release to play Rebirth, I’m wondering how the heck they got back to the slums church. In the original, you couldn’t get back into the sims until after the point of no return for Aeris being in your party. (Don’t spoil it for me, I’ll figure it out eventually. Hopefully next month. Stupid exclusivity nonsense)
Loving Aerith since OG and the perfect casted voice actress threw her into overdrive in remake/rebirth.. To bad they ruined the (spoilers) scene with showing clouds perspective. I think on 3 they will show what really happened just to crush what's left of our hearts..
Why did she have to go!? I'd rather not know Aerith's character than to know her. It kinda messes with me. As if I actually lost a real person. It's a shitty feelin.
Japanese writing is so silly.... They dance around w their words so much. Just say what the hell's on ur mind already! Quit being so afraid to say things! Lol.
The true villain of Final Fantasy 7. The adjective game. Don’t ever be direct and straightforward simply allude to or dance around the statement that you wanna say
@@Step43099 Lol pretty much. A good drinking game would be to take a shot every time someone stops talking mid sentence... You'd die of Alcohol poisoning before the first Chapter ends 😅
They did such a terrible job of a 'love triangle' in this. They made Tifa look second best all the way through in this game and the film AC. Cloud focuses wayyyyy too much on Aerith. They can say its because of guilt etc but in real life, if a guy acted this way, you know there's something more between him and said girl. It's like a forbidden romance. They also make Aerith more likable than Tifa in the way that she understands Cloud better, she's funny, sweet, etc.
Nah, Tifa is very reserved around Cloud because she knows he is not himself, because she _knows_ him. Aerith doesn't and treats him as such, now Aerith does realise, due to being Cetra, that he is not himself, but she does not know how Cloud is when he is "himself", Tifa does. That's why she treads carefully, she noticed his PTSD headaches and those things will be further explored in the third game when she helps Cloud heal his mind. Knowing the second game would end with Aeriths death, of course she'd get more emotional pay off in the end, but what about Tifas entire arch in the lifestream reliving her childhood with Cloud? Or how the game starts with the emotional tension between Tifa and Cloud? And how they _almost_ kissed until Yuffie interupted them? I think they did a marvelous job at bringing all characters to life.
@@MukationEven tifa doesn’t actually know cloud. All she knows about cloud is on a surface level of how he was in his childhood and didn’t knew about him personally at all cause they weren’t friends not that long ago and didn’t spend enough time to know each other well. So to conclude it all she just knows enough to tell when he’s acting weird or out of place cause that’s not how he was with her
i hated that part of the game, because the game punch you in the face with many multiple choice moment and when you choose the game shove something we didn't want anyway, it's like telling us, no matter what you do, no matter what you choose you can't change fate... it was at this moment i knew she was destined to die... 😢
Hand holding is a theme between Cloud and Aerith, it becomes very clear when rewatching the cutscenes. It even shows up in their respective songs (Hollow & No Promises to Keep). I see the appeal behind Tifa, but not necessarily with Tifa × Cloud. That couple just doesn't come across as interesting. That's why Aerith and Cloud's relationship drives the plot (events and respective character development), and not the other way around. *Spoilers* Tifa and Cloud are thought to be childhood friends, but they're really not. Tifa didn't even care about Cloud until he left to try to become a SOLDIER. He wanted a relationship with her so that the other kids would accept him. She never acknowledged him until he tried to change. Aerith immediately accepts Cloud, including his childish ways (Tifa wants a "Hero" version of Cloud, her knight, if you will. Aerith never asks Cloud to put her over himself). Aerith accepts him sooner than any other character in the game, lol. And Cloud compliments her because Aerith (who is generally portrayed as very strong, wise and at times mysterious) is more vulnerable around him. He also refuses to abandon her, which is a core fear she has (abandonment). Tifa is a cool character and I think her character growth is best showcased in that she hasn't needed Cloud the whole time he's been gone, and she still doesn't need him. At least, not like Aerith does.
@@corcoroli2974if we’re going by what the developers have set up as the canon of the story as of rn 2024; Cloud and Tifa were really close as kids up until Tifas mom died and the Mt. Nibel incident happened. That’s when Cloud started being more distant from Tifa and her friends even though she didn’t know why. It wasn’t till a few years later when Cloud asked her to meet him at the water tower and told her he was leaving to join Soldier that her feelings became real for him. Which obviously affects the choices she makes when they meet again. Also I’m pretty sure No Promises to Keep was recently said not to be about any particular character by design. I’d have to rewatch that interview and make sure I’m thinking of the right song but I’m pretty sure I am. PS this isn’t an invitation to start a ship war I was just offering some additional information that you may or may not have known. You seem like an intelligent and well spoken individual
@@LeocaprioDinardo what do you mean?!! Drop hints I need I’ve played the original So I know what they’ll vaguely add with of course some differences for rebirth But I honestly dont see square settling cloud to officially be with someone feel like its gonna be open ended on the relationship side …it’s square this is what they do 🫠
@@LeocaprioDinardolmao the devs have said from day one, the story isn't changing 😂 Go read Nomura's interview for rebirth, he pretty much confirms all the new added elements are just there to add mystery and surprises for og players. The lifestream sequence is one of the most iconic part of the og where Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for eachother. It's baffling you think after that AND the highwind, you'll still get a clerith ending lol.
They shoehorned Zack so people like you would post nonsense. That's literally the only reason, Aerith was canon until Crisis Core. Now they like to pretend the others have a chance. Then they release scenes like this one lmao
@@slayer1156 what in the world are u saying lmao. Zack has always been the end game for aerith? ITS ALWAYS BEEN ZACK AND AERITH. It's been like up till now, U can literally check the gameplay, there's massive difference when it comes to Tifa vs Aerith's route. In addition, square enix planned everything out in a very detailed way. Crisis core is a pivotal part in ff7, it completes the circle, giving the fans a more understanding to why everything is the way it is in ff7, and fans who played from ps1 up till psp knows that.
All the little time of her left, Aerith spent it to a last date with Cloud. She not even meet direct with Zack once in the hold game, and you still dont know who she loves more? Time to wake up to see the true meaning of the story my boy
@@vuphan4003 bro in the remake, it is PRESUMED THAT ZACK is DEAD. How will can she spend time with someone who she assumes to be dead already? Aerith said that she "loved" him, this doesn't mean she stopped loving him, its only simply because hes gone.
@@vuphan4003 If you deny that Aerith and Zack were serious, it detracts from Aerith's initial attraction and interactions with Cloud. Was she really chasing a random guy that fell in her church because he reminded her of a guy that didn't care about her in a relationship that wasn't serious? I don't think that was ever Nojima's intention.
It’s weird that people just ignore that that was the intent of the relationship to begin with. Not meant to be. Whether he really felt the same way or not doesn’t matter because she’s gone and they have to continue on without her
Even if you don't ship it, how anyone can say this is her rejecting cloud is beyond me. What kind of person goes "im glad to know where we stand." only to then go "i dont like you that way"? That's not what's happening here
People usually say the opposite although I think it’s a bit more complicated than just that. Aerith clearly knows this is likely the last if not one of the times she’ll be able to have a peaceful time with Cloud and decides to open up her feelings to him. Clouds response and the Aerith looks at least TO ME; I have to stress this part a lot because shippers get so crazy about it. TO ME their feelings in this moment don’t align whether it be because Cloud doesn’t feel the same way or maybe he does and doesn’t fully understand it or maybe he just brushes it off as typical Aerith behavior and asks why she’s been weird all day. Either way I don’t see this as a rejection from either of them and I doubt Cloud could even answer how he feels about Aerith at the moment anyway. That’s just my response to that as someone that likes Cloud and Tifa together and also NOT a shipper
In how many other languages does she need to speak for you guys to realize she's over Zack? It's embarrassing to think that Aerith believes that Cloud is like Zack when he's the complete opposite. It's not that hard to understand the storyline!
Everyone calm down! I beat the game and got my date with her. She literally says in the date, “You’re NOT Zack! But that’s ok!” Clearly she has strong feelings for Zack but she’ll settle for Cloud. No man ever wants to be the “Transition Guy.” Cloud is literally just filler for Aerith right now! Can you imagine if a woman told you, I really wanted to be with guy X, but he’s dead, so I’ll just settle for you. Talk about emotional damage. You can see that Cloud knows he’s not the man of her dreams but he caves in to alleviate her pain and longing for her lost love. Zack was the love of her life! She literally says this too.
Well… dilly dally shilly shally. This is a wishy washy way to say I really“like” you, s a friend. Hope it’s plenty clear enough fer the folks who really needta know
@@LeocaprioDinardo Right… I err. This is definitely how gals tell guys that she’s very into him & she’s ready to go into a romantic relationship wit him
There are usually boundaries and body languages that indicate when someone isnt interested in you and vice versa, if you pay attention to even half of the game youd know shes not friendzoning him lol.
What I see is Cloud being friendzoned. When they tell you I like you BUT there are mant ways of liking, and then hug you without kiss, is that you have been chained in the Friendzone. Besines ,this Aerith is the one of OG/97, not the one that is close to her death in his world.
