It has some flaws, but Rebirth personifies exactly what it means when people say a game can be "magical" in my opinion. There were so many jaw dropping moments for me, like just walking around Cosmo Canyon and breathing in the atmosphere and music was a moment I'll never forget
I agree, my only issue was the multiverse, different timelines none sense. I mean with Remake ending, I thought it was gonna be minor changes… or atkeast things would happen in a different way. But they went straight for certain decisions characters may or may not make would create another new timeline. An I was left just confused as fuk at the end. Everything else was gold tho 💯 gameplay open world mini games it was just when near the end when it got convoluted.
I never played the OG but I can only imagine what it must feel like to play this as a kid, and then get to experience it like this in adulthood. Especially the environmental changes must be a real treat and incredibly nostalgic
I often wonder while playing how good the experience is if you didnt play the original. This game has endless subtle nods to the ps1 game in the form of OST, sidequests, npc interactions etc. I think if I didn't have experience with the OG game it could seem a bit meh. But maybe that's because this format of open world game has been over-done since the mid 2010's for someone who has played games that entire time, such as myself
It’s been a while since a single player game caught my attention like this, I bought it expecting to play a little bit then go back to helldivers 2 before really getting into rebirth and damn…I can’t stop playing it lol
I find it hilarious that you got the doods for your date sequence. For the Trials in Temple of the Ancients. I was expecting a boss fight for each character. I was gratefully surprised at what they did instead. What they did is so much better than what I was expecting!
Having finally finished the game. This is one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. It took me 100 hours to finish the story and regions and I never felt myself getting burnt out. It is genuinely staggering the amount of content in this game, and it’s of such high quality too in terms of music and presentation. It makes Remake feel like the tutorial level.
As a near-40 year old man, I have to say I really like what they're doing with this Re Trilogy. If I can sum it up it's basically "same destination, different journey", and I find that fascinating. I love FFVII, it's my favorite, and I have faith in Part 3 after seeing this. It's not nearly as convoluted as people think (people also misunderstood Remake for the most part), just going unnecessarily hard into the whole narrative of FFVII. It's a love letter to FFVII basically, made for the fans, and to me, that's super awesome. They made me like these characters and this world even more than I already have. Not a replacement for the original, but a compliment to it basically.
Actually this portion answered a lot of questions for me. Which makes me want to get to the final game. I assume will be in 2027 for the 30th anniversary
hahaha same dude i just think after that hard boss fight im gonna be to old for the real shit in 4-5 years probalby need to play it on easy then hahahaha
It’s totally a love letter to original fans. So many little moments that stick out and just make happy. Like when cloud does that dolphin ride to get up on the platform and you see him crack a little smile when he gets up there - like he secretly had fun with it. In the original at those parts I always just imagined cloud being grumpy and ‘not interested’ - but I feel like how they show those little moments in the remakes really adds to these characters and their personalities. You can tell Square really made this a passion project/love letter.
About the shinra Villa bit, there is a section where you must find the code to open the door. As a 1990 ff7 veterinary with like 17 finished 100% runs (outside of materia grinding thanks to knights of the round) I tryed the og code on the door, imagine my surprise and laughter of pure joy wen it actually worked.
i thought that it was a homage to old fans but it turns out that they simply used the same code and you could find the code in shinra villa itself behind some boxes, feelsbadman
@@namo2403why isn’t it both? Reusing the old code is clearly an homage and fun wink towards old fans, but what, new players aren’t allowed to progress because they didn’t know the code from OG? I guess I’m not understanding why you’re disappointed by this.
@@namo2403 i know where you're coming from, they could have made 2 separate codes, a new one people had to find, and the OG one as well but with a smale suprise.
Having never played either version of this game, hearing about and seeing snippets of these adventures in these diverse locations, it sounds really epic and magical.
Yeah. Of all the attempts Hollywood has made to nostalgia bate everyone. It pales in comparison to this. There is nothing else like it, but ff7 was my 1 game I completed fully in my life. So it especially hits hard for me. 😊
I like that you're making this comparison in-depth videos between classic games and remasters/remakes, you should think about doing a series about this, it's good.
This is actually pretty easy to undertand, thanks to your summary. I haven't played the OG, so most of the time, I'm just going with the flow. With that being said, I still got hit pretty hard during that Aerith scene, and her looking at the Bronco flying away. I think they really did a good job with the characterization of the whole group, especially Aerith and Tifa, that it just hurts to see Tifa's reactions towards the end. And then there's Cloud. Completely mentally broken imo, and tbh, I really fear for the safety of the group with him in this condition. I have grown to love this cast of characters and I can't wait how it'll all turn out.
@@patrolaclipagens Sorry if my comment triggered your lack of understanding and unwillingness to understand something you don't really care about. Maybe use your brain in the future and not buy games that might require thinking, because you know, games are traditionally required to use brain power? Lastly, you don't have to comment that someone else is joking that they understand something you yourself didn't put an effort into. Sorry if this was too much for your brain Have a good day. :)
@@erinacchi9122 lol calm down bro it's just a videogame, go watch some animes and eat cheetos or sum lol or even open a book so you can understand a videogame 😂😂😂
As a now 33 year-old who first played this "original" at 9 years old...i felt like this game did justice to the emotions i never thought a 9 year old could experience so early in life. I remember how i felt when i left midgar, when i reached the ranch, when i reached junon, when i crossed the ocean, and when i realized this game was more than any game i had ever played in my entire life (albeit 9 years). This reimaging brings many of the same feelings i felt as that 9 year old. I've been telling many people who have their understandable beef with this game that i view the original as a novel, and we are just experiencing new adaptations. If i want to play a full version of the original, then it's right there for me in thanks to the remastered version (my ps1 and ps2 broke when it came to playing cd-roms in high school. All i wanted was the ability to play the original) This is a wonderful adaptation to an even better overall story. Yes, i have my issues with the tone at times in rebirth, but overal, i love this game, I love this series, and i love the final fantasy IP. i do have my issues here and there, but to act as though the square brand needs to cater to me is selfish. Im an older fan now...make room for the new ones. I can only hope they feel the same magic I felt as a child.
i am 3 years younger than ff7. the first ff i played was 9 when i was around 14 or so, and it was my favorite for a looonnng time; I played 7 but knowing most of the plot beats ahead of time i saw it as a great game but a tad overrated. however, the ad from japan that says ff7 is the memories you have with it is totally true. in the leadup to remake in 2020 it was on my radar but not a big deal since i didn't have a ps4, but a buddy at college who did was looking forward to it even though he had never played the original. when school locked down because of the pandemic and i went home, i convinced him to get the original on steam and stream it to the boys over discord where we could all watch together. eventually he beat it (getting bodied by a tonberry along the way) and when remake dropped I pulled up to his crib and we played the game on the couch. I remember being stunned by the attention to detail with the presentation of the game, down to the music and the way the cutscenes used the same camera angles as the original. it absolutely captivated my imagination in a way the original just didn't, and the ending had my brain whirring to see what would happen next. I have been waiting for rebirth ever since. fast forward to now and I bought a ps5 to play this game. because of some stuff in my personal life the themes about grief and memories have really resonated with me in a new way and I was every bit as captivated as it seems like people were in 1997 when this story was first told. the magic is most definitely still alive
Chicken side quest. That is the real divider between the fans, not the fluffs. For real though, the side quests are the real gem of this game. I think it would be amiss to not mention the Gilgamesh quest line. But all other side quests are worth it, just Cloud having bonding time with his friends.
It's clear how much better than remake rebirth is when you look at what people are complaining about tbh...... In remake, the biggest complaints are entire chapters like the claw arm segment of chapter 8, the first and second sewer visit, the drum, etc. All long chapter problems. In rebirth the biggest complaints I'm seeing are a couple skippable bad apples in the bunch of amazing side quests. Cloud not getting wet in water is one I saw a lot too. Rebirth is so amazing that the biggest most noticeable flaws are tiny unimportant things.... Of course people will complain about the story no matter what happens, but these are gameplay things.
I'm on team "the chicken sidequest is the best quest" lol. You have to realise that the devs knew it was going to frustrate the fuck out of us, trolled us with that last chicken, then gave us that hilarious ending as pay off to appreciate it.
I was really enjoying the video up until I got to the halfway point. I had to stop watching right where I am in the main scenario quests and will have to return later to see the rest. Great video! (I think?) 😂
One part I found interesting about the Final Fight was the way the First Phase with Jenova Lifebringer plays out. You start the fight with the sad theme playing and only 2 allies fighting with you, reminiscent to the OG fight where you could only have 3 people fight. However, no matter how fast you might take down Jenova's HP, she will always knock out your 2 allies from the fight. When Jenova fires her lasers and rips a rift into the shadow your party rejoins you however their attitude doesn't match with how they should be feeling, they act more upbeat and jovial for a group who just saw one of their allies die. With that in mind, I think when the team comes back into the fight Cloud is actually fighting with the group where Aerith lived, hence they are fighting as if she is still alive. Then when that phase ends Cloud disappears and I think he becomes the only one aware of the "Aerith Alive" reality, when we come back to Cloud's group later on I think that's the group from the Aerith's dead reality considering what Barret says at the start of the fight. It was just an interesting observation I made when I was rewatching the scene, I don't think the fight is happening in a linear fashion, it is definitely switching between realities but I'm pretty sure we're also seeing our allies fight from 2 different realities. There is also that strange disconnect when Cloud is with the group and Aerith wakes up, for some reason he's the only one left in the reality, which makes me wonder if during the 2nd phase of the Jenova Lifebringer fight, when the world is crumbling and they are jumping from platform to platform, the rest of the group ended up dying there. . . and Cloud was the only one to come out alive because he was the only one to go into the rift to save her, in which he's sent to fight Sephiroth but only awoken when Zack touches him. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how they plan to roll things out when they start releasing teasers but man, 3-4 yrs before that is going to be such a pain.
Man, I'm gonna have to rewatch this to check out some of what you're saying. Some people will hate it, but I will be absolutely floored if they manage to make it so "If you do x and y and z just right, you can rez Aerith" because that is such an old school rumor that absolutely haunted the community for so many years and if they Suikoden all 108 stars that shit I will be ecstatic.
I DONT think Cloud is seeing a spirit form of Aerith. I think he actually created a new timeline where she didn't die. If you go back and rewatch the moments after sephiroth's descending stab attack, it shows you his sword in the ground. Then it flashes quickly to another shot where you see the blood emerge. If you actually compare those two shots, they're 2 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. The sword is stuck in a different place in the ground AND at a completely different angle. To me that looks like they were showing us the 2 completely different outcomes of that event. It also explains why Cloud can see the tear in the sky but the others can't. If that's what they're doing, it does seem like something which will naturally fit into Cloud's whole identity crisis that will happen quite soon into the third part.
@@rexwest4532 That part makes sense in both theories though. We'd already seen examples of both Cloud and Aerith sensing Zack in the other timeline in different ways.
I feel like the answer is that Cloud saved her in a new timeline but she still died in the Prime one that we play. Cloud knows this and will want it thus making him succumb to Sephiroth's will ("Let us defy Destiny together.") but he will ultimately have to accept that in his world Aerith died. I think we are going to go through the five stages of grief - right now Cloud is in denial so he repressed certain parts of Aerith's death that we didn't see yet. The Sephiroth clones will lead him to anger but Sephiroth's plan will lead to bargaining. Falling for Sephiroth's tricks will lead to depression along with knowing that Sephiroth's plan will probably bring Aerith to an end in every world (as she's a thorn in his side) which will be part of him being comatose. Tifa helping him bring his mind back in the Lifestream will probably go further by helping him deal with all of his regrets and lead him to acceptance that the Aerith of his world is dead and they'll keep the timelines separated. Aerith will probably go to other timelines and attempt to get stronger to stop Meteor where she will most likely reunite with Zack and some Cetra thing will teach her Great Gospel that she will use on Cloud for the final fight at the Edge of Creation that leads to Cloud using Omnislash (as Cloud is invincible in that moment - an effect Great Gospel has).
Everyone is thinking this has something to do with different timelines but they're all wrong. What is one of the overall themes of ff7 and its media? The fallibility of memory. At the end of Advent Children Sephiroth says "I will never be JUST a memory". What is the LifeStream? According to Remake it is the collective memory of the planet. The ancients could communicate with that and the arbiters of fate ensured that the memory (lifestream is everything that was and is and will be) stayed accurate. Sephiroths "remnant" is attempting to rewrite the planets memory for some reason (presumably his final victory over cloud) after the party defeats the arbiter which appears to be trying to contain sephiroth meddling (he appears to have some measure of control over them) and after his defeat he explodes into a mass of them. If you get the cutscene with Aerith in remake she tells cloud not to fall in love with her because "it isnt real". What i am trying to say is that the entire remake trilogy is taking place IN the lifestream. Its the memory of the planet itself being corrupted and changed by sephiroth thats why aerith who is part ancient is partially aware of whats going on. Its also why the "other timelines" exist because its the plants memory fucking up from the changes being made after the arbiter is destroyed. @@writer_man5318
@@writer_man5318 interesting theory there. I think its Aerith is still around to help Cloud from falling apart. In Niebleheim, Cloud is concerned about his solder cells degrading and Tifa and Aerith are telling him that it won't happening. You see in Advent Children Cloud is living with the guilt of Aerith`s death. Aerith is still around to help Cloud and Tifa will help Cloud like she did in the OG. Where he accepts his real memories.
Played the PS1 version as a kid and loved remake and rebirth. There are definitely reasons I can see for people not liking the changes, but I know as a kid the death scene hit me hard, and with these multiverse changes I thought I knew the whole game to just expect the death, then for a moment they got me and I believed it had changed just to have it ripped away again and it hit me in the feelings again. I personally am a fan of time/multiverse shenanigans in stories, so the changes are something I love assuming things tie up in the end. too many loose ends could hurt the third game, but I'm hoping there is a vision in place to tie it all together. Given how much I felt like a 9 year old again exploring the world and seeing some of my favorite characters fleshed out, I'm willing to wait and see and just enjoy what we have now without worrying about future execution.
The game does a lot of weird stuff, especially towards the end, but overall I’d say it was very solid and greatly expanded on the characters, which I’d say is one of the best things they could do. It won’t be everyone’s thing, but I’m totally for it
@@captainpep3That's the same approach for KH story, the fans are mostly just waiting how crazier they can make the lore while being more hyped for the gameplay and i really don't like that this is what they made with FF7. I like FF7R but at the same time i consider it inferior to the original since they really undermined what made it special (the themes, atmosphere and certain bits of the story that were worse on Remake due to the more Hollywood/Average Anime/KH approach they did on certain things) which is a shame since Remake is mostly better on everything, especially when it comes to the characters interactions and Gameplay, i really wish they never added the Whispers things and kept Sephiroth the way he was on the original only adding a *few* more than they did so far, or at very least, introduced him on Rebirth. A 1:1 Story Remake with the gameplay changes could've easily been one of the best games of all time.
@@stampoulisrafael5262It's my opinion, 1997 FF7 is in my opinion a better game because i like the narrative and visuals of it more, if it wasn't for the Remake's questionable choices when dealing with Sephiroth's character, Whispers and the endings, it would've been better than the original for me, unfortunately Rebirth's ending made me see the original as better unless on Part 3 they pull up a extremely well thought and incredible story which i really doubt, with that said, Gameplay wise and obviously graphics wise, Remake is way better than the original.
Rebirth is such a massive game it’s hard to keep up with certain parts and set pieces they’ve given a glow up or changed around from the original, especially if you haven’t played the original in a while like me. I do respect you for calling out some filler parts as Remake had filler parts too such as making you go through the Midgar Sewers a second time, but all that aside I’m glad you were able to make this a decent length video for a huge game like Rebirth and explaining all the changes and comparisons.
frfr. i heard a bunch of good stuff about xenoblade chronicles so i gave 2 a try but 5 hrs in it just wasnt cutting it for me, so i sold it to a buddy for a couple bucks and bought edibles lmao. later on bro tells me about the ending and im just like ????? lmaoooo
I am glad they were faithful to the original with one main element and that is my biggest memory from the original not being Knights of the Round Mimic or getting the Black chocobo and that fun racing mini game to do all the hard end game sidequests but actually one thing i loved even more was that snake in the marsh desert you have to use the chocobo because he is too hard to kill part at the very beginning of D2 TY for this great video comparison nice job sir!! I really hope they do justice to what made the original so amazing to me and the reason i played it like 7 times all the stuff done and that is the addictive nature of the final few side quests to get the best materia yellow and red mostly
oh, I remember there was a set of videos that had the OG camera angles comparing FF VII Remake to the OG FF VII. Good stuff. Also shows what amazing attention to detail the SquareEnix devs had for recreating the new environments.
Loved the original; one of my favorite games of all time. Loved Remake and Rebirth, also one of my favorite games of all time! I’m here for the ride and to see where we end up. We will always have the original so I’m glad they are taking liberties with the remake. The wait for the third part in the remake will be brutal!
Hey Flandrew this is a shot in the dark but I watched all your videos multiple times and that your voice is soothing thank you so much I hope you have a good week
This is the first video I've seen where someone finally seems to have understood that Aerith died, other videos I've seen people don't understand or believe that he is seeing Aerith from another dimension, maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me, it seemed clear that Aerith actually died, but Cloud, who never had the sanest mind in the world, did not accept her death and believes that he managed to save her.
My man Cloud covered the trauma of Zack dying by erasing his death from memory and thinking he is him, I’m pretty sure having another huge trauma of Aerith dying would make him severely in denial and likewise erase any memory of her dying and thinking she just left the group at the end of the game
I loved how you recapped the OG in this :) I'd love a video of what happens next in the OG, since I can't remember and it's been 20+ years since I played. That would get me excited for the next game. Feel free to guess how they'll reinterpret this in the next remake title.
If Aerith is your date in chapter 7 … which gets interrupted … will she the date in chapter 12? Aerith was my goal because I view her as a much better character than Tifa.
@@BakesBread001Well twelve days later lol but no it can change depending on the bond level. I'm pretty sure the date that gets interrupted can only be with Aerith or Tifa however the actual date can be between any party member except Cait Sith, if for whatever reason your relationship is low with everyone you get a different scene though imo it's not worth going for all the one on one's are better.
@@CrazyxEnigma yes I progressed to the date scene just today in chapter 12 and I kept Aerith. It was a nice scene. But in hindsight, it doesn’t matter who you get.
As a game it’s absolutely a blast, best final fantasy in a long long time, handsdown. Despite some annoying flaws and performance issues. I dont say its a bad game at all because of those flaws. But As a reimagining of the og i have to say i had mixed feelings. Some things they changed a little too much, no boss battle theme from the og, and the very complicated ending tbat confuses people. Still a masterpiece tho
Love it, thank you for this video. FF7 was my first FF game. I was 16 years old. At first I wished the remakes were more like the original, but in order to make three seperate games with an ending story line to each, I think the developers came to the absolutely best conclusion so far. At least they can stick to the story line in the final game while still making sense of the two previous installments.
I personally don't like multiverse stories when the different universes/timelines intersects and stuff. I feel it usually takes away the gravity and stake of any situation in the story because you get the feeling there's always a copout or solution in "another" timeline or universe. I still like the game. It's fun and the side minigames really brought me back to the good old days of JRPGs in the early 2000s where the side stuff were fun. And I think the FF7 story is told much better in Rebirth than OG. But I feel the alternate timeline thing did not add anything to the story at all. It's so much more relatable when it's just a delusion in Cloud's head.
I honestly love how they are doing everything. Like the ending has me so curious. Like does cloud even realize wtf is going on with him or is he so mentally shattered hes just going through the motions? The OG will always be there and i still have fond memories from when i was a 6 year old experiencing it all for the first time. I am 100% on board with whatever comes next with this trilogy cause its just so new that its giving me the same dopamine i had playing as a child!
That’s the one part I love how Rebirth closed out showing to the audience and players in Chapter 13 how out of it and psychotic Cloud was becoming in the ancient temple and slowly and slowly not trusting himself which closes out good to question the players on him and his behavior especially at the credits scene with him putting the black materia in the buster sword making people wonder, hopefully they open it well towards the beginning of part 3 and accurate how Cloud tells the party and gang how he doesn’t trust himself and talks of Sephiroth controlling him and advising that he should hand over the black materia to either Barret or nanaki, it could play out so well
There are still alot of questions left at the end of Rebirth but who knows, maybe most of them will be answered in part 3 when it eventually gets the Remake make over. I mean we were confused about the Zack and Biggs ending in the Remake until Rebirth answered that with the introduction of a newly created multiverse. Maybe it’ll all come together in the final part.
Only played the original after finishing Remake, wanted to know where the story would be going. It was fun to see the differences, like some sort of reverse nostalgia. I've had a blast with Rebirth, but I do find the ending a bit confusing. I hope it'll all make sense in the 3rd game, with a satisfying conclusion.
Being able to experience the world and story like this was one of the most amazing video game experiences in my life. I never would have imagined that I'd see such a thing like this happen. Nearly everything was just how i would have wanted it to be. My only true complaint was everything that happened after the trials in the Temple. Things just carried on for too long and got weird. Aerith's death scene was a big miss for me, it was just taken over by Whsipers and then an overwhelming series of battles and multiverse stuff that by the time it's done it's just like, "oh yeah, Aerith died". She didn't even get to have the iconic funeral. We also didn't get to explore the Forgotten Capital. Nearly everything else in the game was fantastic, so it's hard to be too disappointed. The game took me 131 hours to finish and I had the best time seeing so many familiar places brought into a new life. This game really brought joy back into my life that I haven't felt in ages.
Just wanna say its *not* impossible to cross the swamp without a chocobo, its just stupidly hard and requires a lot of precision and luck lol Will also say, I personally loved the ending, I got a lil confused with the reality jump at the end but I figured it out by the credits XD
It sucks how Fort Condor is blocked from the game. It’s supposed to be happen between Junon and the Yuffie hunt. It sucks how you don’t to have let Yuffie tag along after the boss fight for her, because that’s completely removed! And Yuffie herself shows up in Junon.
Max Mittleman, Red XIII’s voice actor, just has range. On one hand, you have the old and wise voice that we got used to for Red. On the other hand, when you reach Cosmo Canyon, you have Red turn into Ryuji Sakamoto from Persona 5.
Having played the OG back when i was a kid and this now, i genuinely don't get why would some of these "fans" trash ff7R like it's some worthless piece of sh1t... for me it's so great to see my childhood expanded, with a lot of the characters interactions and scenes added and the vast open world reimagine. Yes there may be some flaws like world exploration intel or mini game thing being too tedious for some, but other than that it's a very enjoyable journey thus far since i don't focus too much on those side stuffs now, not to mention the music itself, it's just so good
And compare it to some other $70 games released recently. FF7 rebirth is a very good game. Beautiful and playable from day one. Unlike Starfield, Saints Row, forspoken, Justice league, etc.
I was quite simply blown away by this game and had soooo much fun with it, the only part I was not as impressed with was the final hour or so where it did have me rolling my eyes at how many phases I had to beat of a character I didn’t feel like I should be fighting yet.
I personally am enjoying the whole thing of being generally the same as the original but also expanded with some differences. I think the divergence from the original is a large part of why i was legitimately surprised at aeriths cetra alter scene in rebirth. FF 7 wasnt a part of my childhood but having played the original, crisis core reunion, remake and rebirth all for the first time as a 23 year old i think this is a good way to do a remake when the original is a completly different gameplay genre and is also equally (or honestly more) available other than pricing debates. It also does a lot to in my eyes make it look like final fantasy is celebrating its past but not stuck and dragged down by it.
I think the marsh Zolom moment in the og game was one of the most memorable moment in the entire game It served 3 important purposes, 1st it was the game’s way to tell us ok now you are out in the open world, shit is wild and you may stumble onto ennemies much stronger than you so be careful where you step into 2nd, it was also a testimony of Sephiroth’s strength (which we still didn’t know much about at this point in the og game) We’ve been warned about this extremely dangerous and powerful snake, and when we see it for the 1st time, it’s been completely annihilated by Sephiroth, seemingly effortlessly , which really made you feel how strong and terrifying Sephiroth was And finally, later in the game after dozens of hours when you came back to the marshes and finally fought the snake, you actually wiped it out like it was nothing, and it really made you feel like so much had happened since you first were here, and you could really feel how strong you got and how long the journey has been, which really was a powerful feeling Unfortunately the Rebirth sequence does none of that, and make it look and feel like your average action packed boss fight (I loved the game though)
Yep however given the party has already fought Sephiroth in the Remake timeline the way of building up Sephiroth into a threat the original did is pointless to repeat. However they could've done a better job with what ended up happening imo.
@@CrazyxEnigma Sure, but that was not my point I did not advocate for Rebirth to redo the same sequence, I just pointed out that what an iconic scene in the og game was now a fairly average scene in Rebirth, that’s not the same thing
I disagree. In the original, the snake was a threat because you'd lose if you tried to fight it. In Rebirth, you fight it... and the party loses. You can't beat it. Like, Cloud is actually going to die. So it still does that. Point 2 you mention seeing the snake completely annihilated by Sephiroth effortlessly - again, that happens in Rebirth and you literally see how effortless it is for him. So it still does that. The only thing the game doesn't do is let you go back and fight it later, but it's entirely possible they'll put that in part 3. So it still does 2/3 of the purposes you mention, and might do the third later.
I'm fully convinced that the whole alternate timeline, whispers subplot, is just a really convoluted way to force in a happy ending towards the finale of the third game while still "retelling" the og plot.
Honestly I think thats where it's going too, and it's trying to sell you more on wanting that by making you relate to Aerith A LOT more. And I don't mind it too much.
I think the fact I haven't played the original game since I was a kid makes me much more open to all this. I remember more midgar, and the third disk stuff than anything lol@@christianlopez707
ending was confusing af but its nomura so its expected 😅 the way they integrated cid i thought was genius though, have him show up and join the team but keep all of his story stuff til the next game loved it open world filler i got sick of 3 assassins creeds ago but the world itself was beautifully done honestly not really any issues with this game it was done really well and made me super excited gor part 3 hopefully wont take as long to come put as rebirth
Idk, I don’t see a lot of people who have a problem with this game other than the performance mode being blurry, but at the same time they can very small but vocal to the point where they act like they know how to develop a game or that they know what is best for a brand they didn’t even make. My point is that they did such an excellent job with rebirth and I would go as far as to say that this the best final fantasy game/also JRPG ever, and a lot of other people agree. I would just hate to see false or unnecessary criticism being sent to the developers and not having the next game be as large in scale because of the small but very vocal problems people may have about the open world or story. I’ve seen this happen where unnecessary criticism was being provided and so by the next game they scrap everything good and fun all together. I’m not saying the game is perfect because there’s always room for improvement, nor am I worshipping them as if they can do nothing wrong. I just love how they made this game is all and don’t want the next game to be downgraded from rebirth. The problems I have aren’t criticisms, they are just nitpicks that I have with the game because it’s just me being me 💀. Nitpicking in my opinion, isn’t criticism. I know I’m probably going to get grilled regardless.
Honestly if you wanna hear some genuine criticism from someone who still loved the game I got one word for you: Chadley 💀 like I'm sorry but I liked him so much more when he was just a lil side thing for materia and had some goofy one off lines that were actually kinda funny sometimes, but on hear just think about how many lines he has where they coulda had the party interacting more instead, like I don't wanna hear chadley yapping about 32 lifesprings or towers when we could have things in the open world that call for more interaction and banter between the cast we actually care about, I loved all the sidequests cus they're exactly that, but I really hope we can get less chadley in the next one, especially if the world is gonna be in a doomsday event after a certain point I don't wanna hear his little goofy music in every town when I run past and have him being all cheery and silly about world intel, they can keep him around but please tone it down yknow 💀
I have a relatively low tolerance for overly complex twists upon twists that are kind of standard fare in JRPGs. I think FFVII is a powerful story that is kind of archetypal and I don't know that it is enhanced by all of this extra. That said, its beautiful and obviously done with a lot of love.
I think whats most important at the end of the day is despite how much insane shit happened in the last hour or whatever even, we still end in the same place, dunno what the eventual end result will be of all the multiple worlds stuff, and how they'll even find time to explore all of it while also staying on the main normal path of things, but regardless of any changes or flashes to other outcomes and possibilities, we will still start part 3 in a world where aerith is gone for us, even if there's a version of the events and a world where she did get to live, its not the one we will live in, I think they just did all that just to show people that in someway shape or form in another life, she lived
Man, I love these games so goddamn much. I really hope Part 3 of the Remake won't take more than 3 years to release, it's so close at getting completed.
It would be so sick if they can do 7/7/27 but I doubt just a little over 3 years is enough, as much as I wanna say they can reuse a lotta the same maps, I don't think most of it will be 1-1 anyways, even if some town layouts should and will stay the same, cus especially if they have to make the highwind be playable, there's gonna need to be some serious tweaking to how the areas really connect, and I doubt we can just land it anywhere flat so there will be dedicated landing pads or something
As someone who played the OG as a kid, I love these new games. I will say I did get incredibly annoyed in sections of Rebirth (and remake) that were clearly there just to pad out game time. I would rather get the point, and have a shorter game, than do nonsense task that feel like a chore. But what makes me love the game is the story and camaraderie with you and your friends. It's easy to immerse yourself in this world and get attached to the characters, just like you do with people in reality. I found myself making certain choices with game characters just because I wanted the best outcome for them (just like I would with real friends). I kept reminding myself that how I treated people in game didn't actually matter because these are not real people haha. All in all I had a great time minus the filler tasks, and I am really looking forward to part 3. For those of you upset about the story changes, I would say you just need to look at this as a different game. Think of it as a "what if" game. If you still don't enjoy the game after separating this from the og, then you just don't like the game and that's ok!
"No promises await at journey's end" is pretty fitting for the ending of part 2. Part 1 and now even part 2 have made it clear we don't want to tell the old classic we will reimagine it. Nothing will be safe or sure. Aerith literally died at the end, yet she also didn't die. Zack died in 1 more reality, while he's taking his fate in his hand in the other reality and again in another reality he meets Sephiroth In front of the church, while Aerith is pushing cloud through the rift. Aerith will live in Part 3, but probably won't be in the main universe we're playing and maybe all universes will have a reunion with the outcome of all characters surviving or even all characters dying. Zack also shouts to Cloud to save Aerith which would make no sense, if they just killed her off for good right afterwards.
Yeah, they have been butchering a classic for two parts now and it will probably get even worse in the third part. It is such a shame and waste of potential.
@@loto7197 Bad writing has turned away a lot of players, so I wouldn't say it is engaging. Square should have taken inspiration from Capcom. The remakes of the Resident Evil games are great, they change some of the events but do it with respect, they expand the world and add new story elements to it, yet they serve the story well and fit in. Unfortunately what they have done with FF7 remakes is the complete opposite.
All this shows is they’ve turned FF7 into a theme park with nostalgia bait rides in between the story bits. It’s not impossible to adapt a story with new ideas and new directions, just look at the differences between Lynch and Villeneuve’s Dune films. The problem is I think Square Enix feels like they know better, like how modern Disney feels like their films are more profound than they really are. Doing something new is fine, but after a point it feels more like the original is being mocked or parodied rather than adapted.
One of the most disappointing things about Remake/Rebirth was that they couldn't leave quiet moments as just that; they always had to turn everything into some grandiose event. I'm also pissed they cut Bone Village completely and didn't let you explore Forgotten Capital.
They might still add it in part 3. I'm pretty sure we should've been able to go to Wutai aswell, and they confirmed we'd be able to in part 3 instead. Iirc
@@Klearith You talking about Bone Village or Forgotten Capital? In the original game you go back to Forgotten Capital with Bugenhagen to use the Key to the Ancients so I'm not sure how they're going to do that with it being destroyed. As far as Bone Village goes, I'm hoping they use it as a means of getting into the Ancient Forest at least
i personally liked the ending but it def could have been fleshed out a little bit. wasn't a huge fan of constantly flipping between is aerith dead or alive but it also kinda makes sense why they did it. it seemed like it was showing the point when cloud can start seeing multiple worlds thanks to both aerith and sephiroths influence. also i am so glad i switched to the buster sword for the final fight, seeing zack and cloud both use it was cool af!
I'm one of those people who liked the ending. But my interpretation of it is different, I haven't watched any explanation videos yet. (SPOILERS AHEAD) In that scene where he explains things he mentions that when fate is changed realities are split. His plan was to converge those realities to one. But then it became a question on if saving aerith or letting her die was good for the planet or not. I'm gonna say saving her would have helped. But letting her die would have aligned the realities and given sephiroth a chance to try things again and succeed completely with all the parameters familiar. But instead it seems like cloud succeeded in saving aerith, so in the end there's no convergence of the realities. There's a reality where he fails, which is what we see mainly and it seems like what sephiroth intended for after he fails is still happening (which is why he's acting weird, and has the black materia), and a reality where he succeeded, and zack is alive cause it's not fixed. In short, sephiroth (or maybe Aerith) is fucking with fate, and it's causing a lot of fuckery. And cloud managing to save aerith at least in one reality means the fuckery is not over.
So you traded a poignant and emotional character-moment for a theory-crafting session. Whoop-de-doo, is SE's Marketing Department going to Love Yoouuu.
@@Flopdoodle Nothing was traded, the OG was a masterpiece for its time and still holds up well. The "Remake" made it clear that they will reimagine the story and not just retell it, so nothing is safe. And honestly I love that approach, the original doesn't run away and the Remake trilogy is finally telling a new story which makes the games way more worth imo. It's way better straight up saying that they change a lot instead of just getting hate and complaints because a scene wasn't as truthful to the original as it could be.
Thats the thing though, if you play the game it makes a concentrated effort to make you relate to Aerith a lot more. The game knows you know she's going to die and hell even tells you out right multiple times. And that's probably one of the most significant story beats to people outside the ending itself. It IS an emotional moment, it all has a lot of build up. It's a lot less okay that she dies. And that mentality is echoed in the conclusion of this. I don't know where they're going to take it, but it's a plot thats not trying to sell you on surprises you already know. And I enjoy that a lot. @@Flopdoodle
IMO I probably wouldn't enjoy the game as much if i knew exactly everything that was going to happen. I bought crisis core and skipped it cause it's just the same game but zack's VA doesn't fit near as well lmao. I can just enjoy myself having this be so unique.@@natsudragniel7466
For a next video can I suggest comparing versions of Sims 2? I know they also created different games for each console, and I particularly the NDS version being known because it was really strange and had a mysterious vibe
The swamp isn't impossible to cross. Not only can Zolom be defeated at lower levels than intended but if you time it right you can run right past it without a chocobo
The OG FF7 has a very straight forward story and I think that’s part of the reason why it did better than most final fantasy. We’re not here for multiverses, back to the future or avengers. Overall, it’s still better than none.
@@oldsaddad7274 yup terrorist tree huggers fight a corporation to save planet, encountered a real planet threat, Seperoth cause he’s literally gonna destroy the planet with meteor. Party stops Seperoth saves the day. Planet lives as red 13 runs with his kids 500 years later planet filled with lush and life. Yup straight forward. No multivers, no multiple time line, no multiple clouds, no multiple white and black materias. Don’t need 20 ending interpretation videos on social media.
Rebirth (and Remake) are way more faithful than people give them credit for. Many of the "changes" are just expansions on the original that only add, not contradict. The few changes that are actual changes seem to mostly affect just an alternate reality. The overall plot and events of both remake games are still mostly identical to the original, just with huge over-the-top endings stitched on to make them feel like full games.
True though, and however it ends up being in the end of all things, I think the multiple worlds angle is just to give people who want to see certain characters alive a way to be able to SEE that in canon, while also having the main timeline still hit all the same beats, there's something to be said about how much budget is being used for that stuff that could be used elsewhere, but still lol
they're not just cause they go to the same location doesn't mean they're faithful, that's just nostalgia baiting the reality is they are not even faithful in the slightest due to all the changes story is completely different, pacing of events is scattered, the open areas are meaningless and better off gone open world padding changes to resolution of character arcs (more to Barret's friend than anything) devaluing the moment entirely - from a somber goodbye to a needless "sacrifice" that was never needed stop eating up slop
Thats why they shouldnt have split it into 3 games. They could have still fleshed out and expanded on things that matter without adding all the unecessary filler if it was just one game. This way they have to force fillers to make the games articifially longer
I beat the original FF7 and still had no idea what was going on in Rebirth. It’s amazing how such a beautiful, well-made game can have the worst, most unfollowable story in gaming.
@@popeyeschicken3535it's not hard to understand but it's just a bad FanFiction throw into the original's good story, most of the "changes" end up on the same place as the original or are red herrings with extra fluff.
I really like what they've done with the "remake" in giving us a fan service filled pseudo-sequel. They were never going to recapture the exact magic and vibe that OG FF7 had when it first came out, and having recently replayed it for the first time in over 20yr it really is far too simplistic to have gotten away with just a graphical upgrade. The only sad thing is newcomers to the game are still missing out on that. Maybe once Part 3 is released they might give us a true remake since all the assets will have been made already. I'd be surprised if modders don't at least give it a go.
I loved rebirth. But I have rarely been so pissed off in my life than when I saw the ending: the original scene was a master class, the rebirth ending is just... WTF? I only felt anger, frustration and being completly lost. she alive! no she's dead, oh wait she's alive! no she's dead... WTF is going on?!?!?! They completly lost the emotional impact of the original, and made it way too complecated than it needed to be.
I agree, I absolutely loved this game but the Aerith's fate was not handled well, and I see what they were going for, they just made it confusing by making her seem alive multiple times as she was dying, which is a shame but at the end of the day this game is still just so good.
I think that's to deliberately leave you guessing and anticipate the third game. Can't really judge the story or game properly until you've played through the series.
Here's the difference. OG ff7 was deigned specifically to try to introduce jrpgs to western culture just like Final fantasy mystic quest (which failed). In order to appeal to as many people as possible, the story had to be as simple and easy as possible (a.k.a final fantasy for dummies 2.0) so that anyone could finish the game. This is why they added bonus content like knights of the round and ruby/emerald weapons. Rebirth didn't have to the same job as the original, so why make it the same?
In the end of the game, we're shown 5 different timelines. Most of which aren't really that important, but are shown more so as an example of what Sepheroth is talking about when he explains timelines branching apart and eventually converging. Each timeline is distinct by it's breed of dog the Shinra propaganda dog is. The timelines we see are as follows. *Beagle Stamp* - The prime timeline that the main party exist in. *Terrier Stamp* - The timeline where Zack is displaced into the end of Remake and rescues Aerith and Cloud. This Zack ultimately goes up Shinra tower. *Pug Stamp* - Instead of going up Shinra tower, Zack goes to see Biggs at Reactor 6. *Shiba Stamp* - Zack is indecisive and instead goes to the church where he encounters Sephiroth. This is the Zack who tumbles into the lifestream and finds his way into the prime timeline to fight alongside Cloud. *Collie Stamp* - A version of Zack's timeline where Aerith and Cloud from the prime timeline manifest and go on a date in Sector 6. 5 timelines in total. But ultimately the Zack we fight alongside is the Shiba timeline version.
I didn't hate the ending and still don't understand what they're doing exactly lol. It seems to me they're keeping it vague on purpose to get people talking and theorizing about it which if that's the goal they succeeded. Me personally I read it as Cloud being more fragile than he was in the original game has wiped the memory of her dieing from his mind in order to cope and now she's a mental figment of his imagination but given all the different timeline stuff going on maybe I'm wrong🤷 won't know for sure until part 3.
I was born in 1997 and my uncle played this while I watch in early 2000s. Playstation played a huge part in my child and I'm playing this again as a 26 yr old working adult, child at heart
