Ahsoka Review - This Is Fine 

You bastard...

Well that got me, hook line and sinker.

Crap. You got me. 😂

Sir that was well done.

God damnit 😅

They're creatively bankrupt

You either die a star wars fan, or live long enough to realize how dumb it is.

i agree so hard with this

but at least there wasnt a giant planet killing laserbase for a fourth time tho

@@mccallosone4903wait for season two, that's what's in the boxes.

I think that's what annoys me the most with nearly every Disney project in the last 7 years. They go out of their way to get creative talent and do ideas fans have been waiting for only to get cold feet and cram everything back into the formula. Not even just Marvel or Star Wars. Lightyear should have been the easiest slam dunk in the world and just adapt the cartoon, but they couldn't even get that right.

​@@Kango234 nah, the easy layup was Kenobi. They had Ewan Mcgregor, ffs!

Perfectly sums it up

to be fair they took a risk with the last jedi and looked how that turned out

Dave Filoni not Disney. Disney gives Lucasfilm a quota on expected profits and Lucasfilm greenlights and hires productions and productions have a lot of creative freedom.

Well, I don't know about the "plot" and "acting", but yeah it kinda was a show.

Plot was crayoned, actors were present, dialogue was spoken.

Ive spotted a wild ancient meme

no one can deny, out of all the shows that exist, this for sure is one of them 👍

@@steakcrust558 What is dead may never die

Tonally it's too different to what has gone before.

Love it! They should even throw in a new Sheriff ala Roscoe P Coltrane. Maybe Carson Tiva can waste tons of hours chasing them around the galaxy through asteroid belts. I'm trying to think of what would be the space equivalent of jumping one's ship off of something and over something else.

Just the Admiral Thrawn Never meaning no harm Beats all you ever saw Been acting like the law Just to cause tax fraud Making his wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy The way he decides how That's just a little bit more than the Empire allows Just the Admiral Thrawn Never meaning no harm Cheating the system in a galaxy far far away

I’d watch this

I want this

I do love how the Empire just went back to droids, what if there was an army of canon fodder that don't need to eat, be paid, just need to be built and shipped to fight oh wait we did that.

They went from shambling around aimlessly... to shambling around aimlessly 🙄

Plus, what's the point of zombies with helmets on? Don't zombies bite people then they turn into zombies?

In this case we don’t know if these zombies act that way. I know in D&D and similar settings magic zombies don’t act that way. Which is more in line with the original folk lore.

Ye.. I already thought the idea was fun but the execution was a waste.. But putting it like that really nails the issue.... There is no difference between 20 zombie stormtroopers who keep coming back and 300 stormtroopers who rush in 20 at a time

Because the Disney Plus executives have good reason to believe they couldn't get a Game of Thrones summer home in the Hamptons with just an animated series. To get a Game of Thrones summer home you need gritty realism that subverts expectations.

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Gritty realism in this case being, to just drain all the color and life out of the scenes, and subverting expectations is to just back paddle whenever the story gets anywhere close to doing something actually new or interesting

why do you need to think of another reason when youve just said the reason in the first half of your sentence?

Reminds me of the Disney live action remakes. You lose so much of the imagery and style that made the original characters cool when you just make them normal people or a regular ass fish or whatever. I've never seen the show but the thrawn TV character has that weird head butt thing and he looks kind of menacing and in this he's just blue Elon musk. It's just so lame lol

@@Cherokeechuck9 I havn't seen any of this, didn't watch the show, nothing. When I saw the thumbnail I thought it WAS a photoshopped blue Elon Musk. I clicked the video thinking it would be about how Elon Musk is somehow related to that character, lol. Don't ask me why that made me click, 😂

Like you would assume something really dangerous is out there even if it's just a misunderstood entity that just attacks if provoked. But no.

Part of the problem was, and hear me out, the contact lenses. Stiff acting is one thing but it becomes uncanny when something almost inpreceptible but fundamental to human emotion is missing. Our pupils dilate and contract based on emotion (and just lighting conditions). This is true even of many forms of blindness, where light fails to cause dilation or contraction but emotion still does. While yes we can still perceive emotion without it, such as with people who are missing their eyes entirely, for people who do have eyes, it can appear uncanny and odd seeing them interact with fixed dilation.

@plushie946 this has bothered me forever, sfx have gotta figure out a better alternative to contacts, they always look terrible. eyes have depth, the iris and pupil are beneath all the jelly but lenses just sit on the outside. not that you don't know all this i'm just ranting bc i hate them

I don't want to spend any more time in the weird sexless universe that Disney thinks is Star Wars.

it made me so mad, like when Ashoka and Sabine got left behind they didn't even look that upset, like that's the point where'd you scream and cry, you are lost and stranded with no hope of seeing anyone again. They just look minorly inconvenienced.

Not everybody, I thought it was dope.

@@joshuacollins9316 same

I watched rebels and I was bored to tears waiting 6 episodes for them to get to Ezra. I have no idea how they would consider this watchable for anyone who didn't see rebels.

I feel like it was too much fan service, and didn't fit the narrative of the video.

Nah mate, that’s the spirit of fan-service. Just show a thing I know, I love that

Cranky Knife release happy chem-chem in think gland.

At first I was like "I don't like this knife, it's stupid". And then it showed up again and I was like "yeah!! I recognize that reference and therefore it is very cool".

CRANKY KNIFE! CRANKY KNIFE!

Cloning, dark science... secrets only the Thrawn knew

Now if only she show was good

all of these shows are extended commercials for disney adults to buy funko pops

I mean for $4.99 that's not a bad price

"It's ok buddy, just stay down for a second"

Holy shit I never even noticed

It's the worst of Dave Filoni's style (sans the awful humor, thankfully) boiled down into eight episodes. Ten Glup Shittos acting profound while chipping away at the fundamentals of the SW universe because it thinks it can do better; I'm thankful for it existing because it's a great thing to point at and explain why TCW and Rebels don't work and are as bad as they are.

​@@TheOwneroftheICThis show being bad in no way shows the other good shows are also bad

What's a Glup Shitto?

@@TheOwneroftheIC To be fair to clone wars it's a pretty good show, it just has weak moments. Similarly Rebels is weaker than TWC but also is fairly even with some really weak moments. The thing people forget is that Filoni wasn't a writer or creative in either show. He was a continuity/ ideas person on TWC since Lucas wanted someone who loved star wars on the project and a producer/ additional voices actor on rebels. He gets the credit for both because he was basically became the mascot for the production teams. He's really good at getting fans excited but he's not the best at telling a cohesive story. He gets why people like Thrawn, for example, but doesn't understand how to write him in such a way. I think Asoka is the most Dave Filoni project and the people who like it really just like Filoni's style. At the same time I think it would be incorrect to just say that anything he touched is bad solely because of this show. I think Zack Snyder's Justice League is a way too long, overhyped, and overindulgent show of excess, the most Zach Snyder film to date that shows all of his worst tendencies but I can also admit that I think 300 is a really fun movie to just sit in awe and watch. It's similar to why people universally love Avatar the last air bender but there is such a heated divide on Legend of Korra. Same show runner, entirely different team supporting said show runners with different levels of scrutiny of their work cause after all, they proved successful once. That last point is more of a problem with the film and movie industry than anything else though.

@@orpheusthepoet3149 Filoni doesn't love Star Wars, it was an avenue to success for him. All his praise of George is pretty surface level brown-nosery, but it's what George thought he needed to hear in the aftermath of the Prequels. Korra was also missing the most important showrunner from ATLA, people give Bryke too much credit.

It's his meds. He's getting up there in years.

we stan a dad bod intergalactic drug dealer

​@@plushie946the boxes are full of those Dad sneakers with the N on them

Didn't they say that it was the bodies of their dead people? Like all the corpses of the dathomiri people? I could've sworn they said that

@@seansluder4806their first stop after getting back to The Galaxy is Dathomir, so yeah it’s probably the original Dathomir witch/warrior race, with Thrawn using them as the backbone of his new army. Or something. Or it’s special zombie clones.

Hera is supposed to be a general and action-based bad-ass character and she basically just stands around in every scene and the DOESN'T give Ezra a hug when he appears without warning 10 years after disappearing ... its her soulmate's apprentice and she's like "hey what's up?" ... are these characters even people anymore ?!?!?!

When you say "as a whole" i hope you just mean the disney plus shows (except for andor)

yeah, its mainly an issue with the live action shows with Andor being the main exception. Contrast Sabine learning to use the Dark saber in Rebels to Sabine now and it's like she's on tranqs.@@hefoughtabear118

it was bad, nothing happened the entire time, just nostalgia bait and empty without previous knowledge, a show should NEVER be required to do homework beforehand of other works which one needs for this there's a obvious reason to the mindset of stoicism : social politics, everyone "gruff" cause they think that makes them "strong and empowered", obviously it does not but they live in a echo chamber and did it anywya

​@@marcusclark1339The prequels were also criticized for stoic and wooden behavior. The wooden emotions come from the screenwriters not knowing how to make serious characters in serious situations act like human beings, not social politics or whatever.

Did he even die in the first season?

He survived so thats good

That's the guy from the Expanse right, he's the one wearing that special mask?

In The Expanse he played a character who felt immediately like they'd just be a side-kick, a glorified bruiser, a character whose just there for when the show needs a bad guy roughed up. But he plays it so well (and The Expanse is written so well) that almost immediately that character becomes complicated, interesting, with his own motivations and character, it's really fantastic.

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatagreed. Amos should be seen as a sociopathic bad guy but you end up going omg, I want to have a drink with this guy. Also if you become his person, he will die defending you. He's incredibly loyal (until you show that you're corrupt). Loved him.

yikes

What? He died? Oh no :(

Lol exactly what I felt when I was watching this show..

He died before the show came out too, so he never got to see how much fans loved his performance. RIP ray, you were fucking awesome

@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr SIlver lining, he never gets to see how garbage the show is either.

Zeb wasn't in Ahsoka because he was in the space loony bin 😢

Old man got the space madness 😔

Yeah it’s gotta be a budget thing, none of these shows have looked good except Andor. Unfortunately without the volume these shows probably wouldn’t exist at all so it’s a necessary evil in some ways.

The volume is really useful for specific shots but they use it for absolutely everything and it looks terrible

I have to agree that this is a weird middle ground. These shows are reminding me of the anime OVA boom of the 80s and 90s (where productions are going to have a certain budget, but the longer the series gets, the more stretched out that budget becomes). Sometimes it works, but other times it looks like low budget cosplay. While the casting itself was really good and I think everyone played the parts well, no one really looked the part. It was like a higher budget version of the Grand Inquisitor from Kenobi but with the same effect. I don't know if it's necessarily a "go animated or completely lean into it" situation, but it certain is one of needing to commit to something instead of just kind of funding it.

I agree, but I think it's the writing that's the most egregious. The writing was what made the biggest difference in Andor. That and the directing allowed everyone else to shine too. Hopefully they'll make more stuff like that in the future.

I agree animation would have removed a lot of the hurdles they had to try to overcome, but this show has also made me realize that there are a lot of adult Star Wars fans that can’t get over the whole “cartoons are for children” mentality. So many people are missing out on great Star Wars content because they refuse to watch anything that isn’t live action.

Glup Shitto? 😂😂 no way that’s a real characters name! I love it lmao

FACTS

Also, since Luke is still around, wouldn't he most likely get involved with stopping the return of the Empire? I know he most likely won't, but... come on, at this point in his life, ignored behind-the-scenes stuff, he really should, since he has basically the same motivations as Ahsoka.

titular character not being the main character? that's normal in disney plus

Kind of like how Kenobi seemed to have focused more on Reva than, you know, KENOBI.

Star Wars fans when other characters appear in a show :O

lol it's just a kids stories calm down

Would have been so much better. It's horribly awkward in live action.

@@nutyyyy Honestely, it would've still sucked.

Maybe Ashoka and Ezra werent paying their membership dues to keep up their certifications.

That's the entire point of this show... to remind you of things you've liked in the past. Not to create anything new and exciting for you to resonate with. Without the nostalgia this show would be a snooze fest to everyone

Right? Instead of killing everyone when he had the chance he just let everyone go. What a character!

I mean apparently Thrawn had magical psychics and a spaceship and his one nemesis was so close a person could look for him and find him ON FOOT within an afternoon and he never did anything for more than a decade.

@@rubaiyat300 he was too busy studying the art of his enemies because somehow that makes him unstoppable! Am I ever sick of hearing YT people talk about the "he studies art" thing like it makes sense. Imagine thinking an admiral could defeat the US Navy because he looked at a few Norman Rockwell paintings and read some Edgar Allen Poe. 😉

book thrawn is a bit smarter than disney thrawn@@andrewshandle

This is why it's hard to be hyped about the character. In order to write him well, the writer has to be thoughtful about tactics. Rare for Star Wars. Without that, Thrawn is pretty generic.

its the first thing that shows up when you search mandalorian tie in a gif or stock footage website. how is that any effort?

These editors are consistently amazing, very few can add as much value as they do.

Except they still couldn't show them getting dismembered and couldn't show decapitation in Star Wars Jedi Survivor recently either. Disney obviously has some strange rules in place about how lightsabers can be shown.

@@Elfenlied8675309which is silly, because the first time we see a lightsaber used on someone, they lose an arm.

Same.

Ahsoka will always be remembered as "oh yeah, they made that one too, didn't they?"

Nah they just let any ship land to see who it is. Rebel ship, imperial ship, whatever. It's gonna be a real issue when someone figures out you can just put a bomb inside

Dude I couldn't even bring myself to go watch the Obi-Wan series

⁠​⁠@@felipeaguena5289it was good. Enjoyed watching with my boyfriend. Then watched again with my mom. I like to share things I’m into with her like Star Wars and Marvel knowing she’d never watch on her own. I’ve skipped some things like Book of Boba Fett (except the last couple episodes) and not sure if I’ll watch Mando season 3 with her. But she had fun watching Obi-Wan and loved little Leia. I wish Ahsoka had a stronger end… I did enjoy the rest quite a bit. My best friend who is ultra into Star Wars absolutely loved it all and was extremely happy with the end. I haven’t really watched the animated stuff though so only got in from him. But enjoyed what I saw

Yes, yes, young zoomer, let the hate flow through you.

You're not alone.

I know how you feel, but you have to watch Andor (if you haven't already)

For real, I think I've seen fanfics that had better ideas where Ezra and Thrawn have to reluctantly work together to survive in some unknown galaxy and planet. Resources are scarce and there are extremely dangerous creatures on the planet they find themselves on, so they *have* to work together otherwise everyone dies. And Ezra doesn't want to die just yet because he has some hope either he'll be rescued or he can return home someday, and Thrawn doesn't want to die because, well...he's the villain with an evil agenda and wants to return to wreak havoc. It would have been so much more interesting if Sabine and Ahsoka show up on Peridea and find out it's only Ezra and Thrawn left alive, and only because they worked together to survive. Now the real conflict starts.

nah Liev Schreiber would be better

@@mccallosone4903 I saw someone do a photoshop mock-up of Liev as Baylan, and he definitely looks the part

Thats fair but i just cant see him replacing Ray@@mccallosone4903

I usually hate this meme, but it actually fits pretty well here

It was definitely a show I watched and am going to remember for how forgettable it was

It was hot garbage, luckily andor s2 is incoming.

Crikey another ancient meme. But dont be fooled, this one is very common and easy to find in the wild

@@steakcrust558 This your first time watching a meme go stale? I remember Peanut Butter Jelly Time, I was alive for Peanut Butter Jelly Time. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was peanut butter jelly time.

Yeah I think that's a very simple point that is going over people's heads. Thrawn said he was defeated by a lone jedi (one of the 3 coming after him right now), and his only priority is to get off the planet. If you send everything away to try and deal with that threat... you aren't spending that time leaving. He doesn't want to fight, so he's using the least resources possible while still escaping. He was never trying to hunt down Jedi in this galaxy. He wanted to leave. Zombie stormtroopers? Just doubled the size of that battalion while losing half the troops. They even volunteered to do it, in order to give everyone else more time to escape. That is my only real gripe with their criticisms here. If i'm trying to leave the galaxy, i'm not putting that effort on hold to maybe kill 3 people. Particularly when 1 of those 3 people sent you to narnia for 10 years. I'd settle for just...leaving. However, I believe the show tried to get this all across without using flashbacks to Lothal. They may have needed to, because the subtext is getting lost

I'm more pissed that Dave Filoni can't help but rip off material that was done in Legends 30 years ago. The zombie Stormtroopers were ripped straight from "Star Wars: Deathtroopers" where Han and Chewie fight zombie imperials on an abandoned research base and they are actual brain eating, like mutilated zombies. Actual zombies, without thoughts or motivations. They just kill.

I think so too. The Fog in the loading scene could be from cold temperatures to keep them from decaying.

Whatever it is, you can be rest assured that by the time the show ends it'll all disappear without a trace, never to be even mentioned just in time for The Force Awakens to come along.

I thought the same. They literally took them from the catacombs on Peridea

I just finish watching Mando season 3 and I thought it was great. So, what made it bad for you?

@@IMR95 poor character writing and almost no good character development Over abundance of stupid moments and bad plot writing Way too much filler, terrible pacing Plot resolves too quickly Very repetitive structure and not in a good way Flat, static, lifeless blocking and direction Poor action sequences No stakes Noticeable downgrade in cinematography compared especially to season one It was genuinely awful. I can only understand people liking it through sunk cost and not enough exposure to other, better shows. Star Wars has no excuse for mediocrity.

@@maximilliannewcombe1719 well said

@@maximilliannewcombe1719 lol

I feel like they should have picked an actor that could have done the light saber fights. Hayden was amazing and really highlighted that issue for me

What about him not being able to find Ezra? So he gives Sabine her weapons back and transportation to go find him instead? He should've just killed her

Thats a symptom of the underlying issue with a lot of these shows; Nothing is thought through and no depth is communicated to the audience. They want us to think Thrawn is a clever villlain so they have him smugly say things like "that thing that just happned fits right into my plan".. But you are never shown him actually planning something and it working as he intended to it.. Nor are you ever told the time needed move all the boxes in a way the informs how view the situation.. Its just all surface level action with no grounding in character or understanding. Like, why did sabine decide to crash their ship into 2 tie fighters? Why did she think could hit them, lot alone survive the crash? Why arent her companions horrified at seeing their friend apparently killing herself like that.. Why is she just shown walking away from the crash without the reality of the situation benig recognised?

Hmm interesting viewpoint - maybe that's what was intended, but it does seem the majority of people knew it was Ezra.

@@griegomasif that was intended I highly doubt they would’ve shown Ezra dragging a stormtrooper body to put on his uniform in an earlier scene

I thought the same. It seemed it was going to be some announcement or negotiations for a second. Then I realised what was happening and was actually a little disappointed.

ahhhaha thanks m8!

I thought they were gonna have zombie Freddy prinz under the Helmet. Yeah just doing darth Vader over again, but at least tht woulldve been juicy.

Yes… yes their was

@@BumbleCrumble1072 thought there was.

I was thoroughly entertained for the vast majority of it

How!? It's so bad lol but I guess bad can be entertaining

​@@PixlPlayerthat's.... pathetic. The second u get passed the fan service there is NO redeeming qualities to this show, and if you r able to just ignore the plot holes and remain "entertained" then ur the problem not the solution 🙄

It’s a 4 episode show that was dragged out into 8 episodes

Why do you feel shame for liking something. Not everything you like has to be a critically acclaimed masterpiece

Knowledge was his treasure/force plan!

I think there is a subset of the fandom that is _way_ more fired up in their 40s about SW than they were in their 20s, and they're very vocal and generally very unhappy people.

All they do is wine 🍷

Thats really dumb fan fiction from filoni

Clearly Canadian is a beverage lol

Considering Vader’s voice is now artificially generated in a similar way as in-universe, it’d be hilarious to just listen to Hayden speak and watch as the computer shifts his accent 3000 km to the east over the mid-Atlantic in real-time.

Yeah except that doesn't happen with Pokemon. The next gen designs never become "Nostalgic." Nobody is nostalgic for a Pokemon that is a literal garbage bag or a chandelier or an icecream cone. Nobody. That has never happened. Pokemon went so creatively bankrupt they started making inanimate objects like lamps and actual bags of garbage into Pokemon by throwing a pair of cartoon eyes onto an object.

cheers king!

I feel exactly the same way. 4,5 and 6 are amazing and every other episode is terrible

😂 cheers so much from a fellow Brit! Jaffa Cakes on me

The star destroyers are meant to be different models? I thought the long necks were just a funny quirk of the art style in Rebels.

I assume it's because his ship had to be entirely rebuilt following the Purrgil attack. Wookieepedia lists the Chimaera as a "Heavily modified" Imperial Class 1. Fun fact: The Chimaera in Legends continuity was an Imperial Class 2 (And was also painted purple). I would assume someone who worked on the show remembered it being a class 2 from Legends and rolled with it, unaware that Rebels had changed it to a class 1.

@@EditedAF987 the proportions is a cartoon thing. Imp I and Imp II class are distinguished by different antanes and other instruments on the top of the conning tower. in the original trilogy, ANH has Imp I class, ESB has a mix of both, and ROTJ has Imp II class. in rogue one, they correctly used Imp I class in all scenes, as that takes place before ANH, so Disney does have the correct CG models to use.

@@Elfenlied8675309 considering it still has giant holes all over it and missing engines, there's no way he had the resources for a retrofit, nor would he have the schematics as he was kidnapped by whales several years before the imp II was introduced

The ISD I and II have numerous differences, the least of which is the linear com array on the bridge tower. The baffles on the main engines are different, with the ones shown on the Chimera definitely putting it in the I subclass. Not that any ISD can have a unique weapons and equipment load out or anything.

This is true to Thrawn from "Heir to the Empire". He's like a chess master, there's the grand strategy he's always angling for but along the way he has to adapt to setbacks and failures, which he does and that's what set him apart as a villain. He overcame his failures every single time and was only undone by the consequences of his rotten political ideology. The difference is Thrawn in the books is shown winning battles left and right and the protagonists were scurrying in the shadows out of sight as they tried to beat him. In Ahsoka there are no redshirts for him to beat and the heroes running straight at him with plot armor makes him look more feckless than he actually is.

They needed to arrive at the temple and have Thrawn already be gone, or something of similar impact. If the heroes are all going to be indestructible, they have to do something more than what they did to prove Thrawns effectiveness. He did not come off as tactically brilliant.

​@@forrestpenrod2294don't even compare this abomination to the real thrawn This thing just copes everytime he makes a retarded decision, I'm a better admiral than this version

I think people dislike Ahsoka having a stoic and low emotion personality because what they really want is Ashley Eckstein to be playing Ahsoka. They want something closer to what she was in Rebels. Alec Guinnes acted like that because he was entirely disinterested in Star Wars as a whole and didn't even really like being in it. I think Rosario Dawson is acting emotionless and blank because that is what they are telling her to act like and that's a big difference. Luke became monotone, stoic, and weird suddenly in Return of the Jedi as well. I think that's the idea of what "Jedi Master's" are supposed to be. Controlled and leveled but it always comes off as robotic and bored.

@@Elfenlied8675309grow up

Alec was actually fun to watch and didn't deliver every single line as flatly as possible

But animation is an inferiority medium made for kids. That’s why they keep bringing back characters from Clone Wars and Rebels because everyone hates them.

I thought the fights, the duels specifically, were some of the best we've ever had in Star Wars, to be completely honest. They went full on samurai cinema with the duels, and I'm all here for it.

​@@arturbb100% agree, do people want the fights to be like the wonky sped up prequel shit?

oh come one, you don't even believe that yourself, fanboy. the duels were awful, slow, unathletic, badly scored and devoid of any emotion@@arturbb

sped up?@@mirkecWii prequel duels were 100x better than this crap