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AirVenture 2023: New Cessna Interiors 

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Whether it's a flight school or private owner, today's aircraft buyers demand modern interior styling, but it also has to be durable and maintenance friendly. That's what Textron Aviation is trying to accomplish with completely redesigned interiors for its single-engine Cessna piston models. It was showing off a new interior in a 172 Skyhawk at AirVenture 2023 and Aviation Consumer Editor Larry Anglisano climbed in for a look.

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@YiChi457
@YiChi457 Год назад
That new finish level competes with a $12k car from the 80s. For a half million dollars product, some would be right expecting way better than that.
@suspicionofdeceit
@suspicionofdeceit Год назад
Truth, looks terrible.
@kmg501
@kmg501 Год назад
It might look cheesy but for aviation school and commercial use I think they are definitely going in the right direction. It isn't much different than what you would find in a work truck and that is okay.
@mafp22w
@mafp22w Год назад
I wish at Tesla would build an airplane. They could probably build one for $100,000.
@desertpoj
@desertpoj Год назад
Exactly
@josh3771
@josh3771 Год назад
The landing gear may fall off due to a Tesla technician not installing the bolt or it been substituted for one from the hardware store. Also won’t be certified as certification is anti business
@motionlessmerc8936
@motionlessmerc8936 Год назад
Not going to lie, that just looks like a city bus interior
@WhEE443
@WhEE443 Год назад
I think you nailed it.
@pilotmattincanada
@pilotmattincanada Год назад
At the price of this aircraft is we shouldn’t be seeing primer in between the cracks of the interior. Come on Cessna I love my 1965, but the quality of the newer versions needs to pick up a bit.
@tylernack9170
@tylernack9170 Год назад
Agree. Honestly not that impressed. Kind of embarrassed for them that they did a promotional video on some USB-C power plugs and Allen head bolts. Most of price is in the glass panel probably. Not much else has changed in the last decade.
@herkloader34
@herkloader34 Год назад
I use to rent brand new '97 and '98 Skyhawks back then and those interiors looked far superior. Hard to believe that was almost 30 years ago.
@Metalgearmadness
@Metalgearmadness 11 месяцев назад
imagine paying 500k for an aircraft and its got an interior put together like a geo metro
@darthheretic129
@darthheretic129 7 месяцев назад
Lol
@MikeCris
@MikeCris Год назад
I'd like to see Cessna introduce a split cowl that can be opened for inspection before each flight.
@thefireman2854
@thefireman2854 Год назад
Maybe the "customer feedback panel" will suggest that for the 2032 upgrade. For now? cup holders won out. LOL!
@user-kq6xf4om3l
@user-kq6xf4om3l Год назад
It's available for an extra 100k. But hey, it's certified!
@mecee4516
@mecee4516 11 месяцев назад
At 3:04 I see the headset jacks / USB ports will preclude placing anything tall in the cupholders. That's a HUGE design oversight.
@manuelschaub5080
@manuelschaub5080 11 месяцев назад
sooo, to compete with cirrus or Diamond you used new screws? and a cupholder? I have to admit, this is brave.
@SlackActionBumble
@SlackActionBumble Год назад
Did they get the doors to close properly yet
@Factory400
@Factory400 Год назад
I doubt it.
@pchansen100
@pchansen100 Год назад
I would like to see the non-flight school version of their new interior. This one is making me not feel too bad about the interior of my 1977 210. Also, the black panel is still out for deliberation. Boeing grey would have been a great choice too.
@BrianOgilvie79
@BrianOgilvie79 Год назад
Tryng to compete with Cirrus. The white interior is stunning, but would be a massive pain to keep clean. Avgas, oil and stains from use, pens, markers, lipstick, you name it...good thing i dont need to worry about those problems..
@jonathanwelter
@jonathanwelter Год назад
I think the word you’re looking for is utilitarian. I would hope there is an upgraded package that has a more refined look and feel along with the ease of maintenance fr the prices you sell those thing off the line.
@BonanzaPilot
@BonanzaPilot Год назад
These are great videos! thank you for bringing Airventure to us that can't be there
@TheReadBaron91
@TheReadBaron91 Год назад
Not that they will be torqued very high, but I really love when aircraft manufacturers use a fastener that is almost a circle, but not quite. Really helps when they strip out… mostly Diamond I’d rather use torx
@suspicionofdeceit
@suspicionofdeceit Год назад
Torx is definitely superior to every thing out there currently,Philips and flat should be banished to the annals of time.
@kmg501
@kmg501 Год назад
Fortunately that is a very easy swap to make, at least it would be in other sectors. I'm not in aviation so there is a chance that there is something I don't know about aviation that would make this a problem but I'll be darned if that is true. I definitely support the call for using Torx.
@MikeCris
@MikeCris Год назад
Panel screws are low torque...they'll be fine.
@TheReadBaron91
@TheReadBaron91 Год назад
@@MikeCris yep, just as I stated, but they are also unappealing, to me anyways.
@p1pem
@p1pem Год назад
It struck me, at 3:04, whether having a water bottle or similar in the cup holder would interfere with the leads coming out from the headset and USB charging ports that are co-located. I wonder whether they’ve done usage and ergonomics testing on those. Similarly the upper eyeball air vents seemed from the quick glimpse to be slightly obscured by the sun visor up front. Maybe not, I guess it could just be camera angles. I have to agree with the majority of folks who comment on the it looking a little utilitarian, perhaps a bit ‘cheap’. I don’t think I’d want to spend 500k as an owner operator to get this interior, though I sense they’re still going to sell well to schools/rental operators; it’s definitely skewed toward that demographic, and if so durability and maintenance are going to be the big draws. Just hope it’s tested for high cycle, low-care use. Interesting to see how they dress up the 182 and up to aim more at the Owner Operator.
@grj512
@grj512 11 месяцев назад
That cupholder in front of the plugs caught my attention also. While I understand realestate is limited in a small aircraft like this, it seems like a lot of these designers are not pilots and not using the product.
@Sometungsten
@Sometungsten Год назад
We did not see much fit and finish detail. I am confused about the allen head screws vs torx or any other new format drives. Am I missing something?
@kmg501
@kmg501 Год назад
I also vote for Torx.
@SamLeHardy
@SamLeHardy Год назад
Looks like the Pontiac Aztek of the sky. Didn’t anyone warn Textron about design by committee?
@tow.JanWinnicki
@tow.JanWinnicki Год назад
These Allen head screws look really bad. Also they strip rather easily and protrude too much. A button head with torx would be much better. In black.
@JustSayN2O
@JustSayN2O 11 месяцев назад
It's 2023 and new Cessna piston singles still have a 1953 microphone at the bottom of the center stack. But hey, the seats now have modern contoured stitching.
@PilotDaveAviation
@PilotDaveAviation 11 месяцев назад
Wow ! It looks amazing... where is the shop based out of ?
@AshleyWincer
@AshleyWincer Год назад
I would love to see the old Retro Cessna paint schemes be brought back to the modern fleet..
@LivingWaterEternal
@LivingWaterEternal 11 месяцев назад
You would think that at least the could have used black anodized metal to blend the metal with other black knobs, and matching lighter anodization for lighter panels. Why not use simple slotted 1/4 twist allen panel screw covers to hide the alen screws for ease of cleaning. Also hopefully the overhead light has a red LED option with white light and would be nice to have a separate function for high brightness when on the ground to use in the cockpit. Would be great to have a floor pedal light option and I would assume the USB receptacles would have led. Just thoughts to make a great plane greater.
@BLAMBERRY
@BLAMBERRY Год назад
Textron/Cessna is screwed when the new LSA MOSAiC changes go into effect. Noone needs a $500k 172 when most LSA manufacturers have or will have a better product with more features for less than half the price of a 172.
@bsaleem97
@bsaleem97 Год назад
Most local/private flight schools probably aren't buying a new 172, so I'm guessing the highlights in this video are appealing to the university level places with a Cessna fleet, like ERAU, UND etc. For anyone dropping $500k on a new 172 for personal use, I would imagine this interior isn't appealing (as we can see from some of the comments). Hope they have a separate interior design choice for those customers 😂 Lucky for Textron, they already positioned themselves to compete in the LSA space by buying out Pipistrel last year
@tropicthndr
@tropicthndr 11 месяцев назад
They have been lobbying congress with millions for years trying to delay this inevitable change. That’s why none of their planes have improved, all the money went to pockets in DC instead of aircraft development, especially the piston line. All they have done is barrow technology from other people like Garmin to make their garbage look better.
@AJpro88
@AJpro88 Год назад
I think they missed the memo about carbon fiber. For how much these birds cost, it should be dripping with it.. and it actually makes sense for weight savings.
@galactictomato1434
@galactictomato1434 Год назад
No reason that cheap light plastic panels need to be made of carbon fiber. Get real.
@wingloading
@wingloading Год назад
A new interior is always very pleasing to see, but I'm not quite sure how well this aesthetic will age. And a "durable" yet white interior is an oxymoron.
@jamesmcmasters9392
@jamesmcmasters9392 Год назад
172 are legendary work horse's very fun too fly and cross country 😊😊
@mitchellfamily3899
@mitchellfamily3899 5 месяцев назад
So did they fix the seat rails and associated AD?
@jeffr6280
@jeffr6280 Год назад
I mean, I know my eyes are a little older, but those panel gaps and hard plastics look pretty much the same as they did in the 80's. The seats look nicer, as they should in a $600k Skyhawk.
@jasonburns6411
@jasonburns6411 Год назад
“Modern stitching” That’s rich
@pj61114
@pj61114 Год назад
USB ports look too close together. Sometimes the plugs can be a little to wide. Wires from the same look like they run into the drink cup area. Looks very nice.
@2011blueman
@2011blueman 11 месяцев назад
Is the price point going to come down with this new interior because the hard plastic parts and generic bolts that stick out everywhere have to be cheaper to manufacture/source.
@planespeaking
@planespeaking Год назад
A new diamond da40 is half a million dollars like this. Arguably a better trainer that flies well, is cheap to run, and is safer in an incident.
@Craneman4100w
@Craneman4100w Год назад
Anything on the new Bonanzas?
@StrikerSG
@StrikerSG Год назад
It's about time cessna upgrade their line-up, just look ate cirrus and diamond and you can see the brutal difference...
@terrancestodolka4829
@terrancestodolka4829 17 дней назад
About time... NICE..AIRPLANE...
@wayneschenk5512
@wayneschenk5512 Год назад
To me it just seems revised plastics but things get heavy fast so I suppose they had those constraints.
@peterweinberg4504
@peterweinberg4504 Год назад
Just as well the interior looks good because you certainly cannot see out once you are inside
@bill832
@bill832 Год назад
What is “modern stitching”? Will it include the cigarette lighter in the center console? Must have at this price point.
@GT47179
@GT47179 Год назад
Very nice
@MrShamus07
@MrShamus07 11 месяцев назад
NICE... if their intent was to capture the economy car interior feel of a mid-1960s VW Beetle. So they designed it for the mechanics and not for the consumer. Brilliant.
@DISOPtv
@DISOPtv Год назад
Wow, very nice!
@drvaleriejuliebrousseau9607
@drvaleriejuliebrousseau9607 7 месяцев назад
PUtting the plugs (USB and headset jacks) in front of the goblet holders just renders either one of them unusable: can’t use them at the same time because of the rigid input shafts and plastic heads: please check the usability of your design in the back!
@whitemailprivilege2830
@whitemailprivilege2830 5 месяцев назад
What are “pissed on aircraft”?
@expataviator7107
@expataviator7107 Год назад
Looks awful. You can make it rugged without it looking like cheap plastic.
@PatrickMichalina
@PatrickMichalina Год назад
Yup. This manufacturer's days are behind it. Cirrus, Diamond, and etc are the future.
@expataviator7107
@expataviator7107 Год назад
@@PatrickMichalina what a shame
@zachansen8293
@zachansen8293 11 месяцев назад
So now that you've replaced the insides, replace the outsides, and you'll have a nice plane.
@czwhat328
@czwhat328 Год назад
The interior looks very cheap for a half million bucks. Also why don't you give us a better, cheaper, and faster airplane?
@8BitRip
@8BitRip Год назад
An improvement of looks as well as an increase of rugged. Adding serviceability really makes this a smart redesign
@ryanmcgowan3061
@ryanmcgowan3061 Год назад
This is loooooonng overdue.
@marijnjc
@marijnjc Год назад
One way to deal with inflation.....
@Guevorkyan
@Guevorkyan Год назад
Ok, 100K more to the base price then?
@cameronh5442
@cameronh5442 11 месяцев назад
The seats look nice, but they should be more concerned with building and selling a 172 for less than $100k. If you could do that, I bet the flight schools wouldn't care if the seats were made out of recycled burlap sacks and old bus seats.
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
Sooo... No rich Corinthian Leather?
@TOB-uk2xy
@TOB-uk2xy 9 месяцев назад
I suggest a new committee. Cup holders and usb? Come on….Update the panel.
@jppalm3944
@jppalm3944 11 месяцев назад
Functional! Whoopee. I'm 80. My first used car had more style. You could make it convenient to service and MAKE IT COOL FOR A LITTLE MONEY. THEY BROUGHT IN MECHANICS. .THEY WANTED A ZIPPER TO OPEN EVERYTHING
@salibaray
@salibaray 8 месяцев назад
It's about time Cessna upgraded it's interiors to modern standards. Well done, nicely done!
@walterrawdanik8077
@walterrawdanik8077 11 месяцев назад
That’s like putting new interior on a 1965 car …
@rlevitta
@rlevitta 11 месяцев назад
That's $500,000.00...for a 172. I'll keep my 1978 N model.
@Screets170
@Screets170 11 месяцев назад
How is textron even staying afloat selling these new for 450k, who’s even buying at that price
@achimbassler
@achimbassler 11 месяцев назад
Flight schools. Huge demand for pilots post covid retirements. Number of students at my local school has tripled in size in the last 5 years.
@a-fl-man640
@a-fl-man640 Год назад
430K for a 172? it better have nice seats. Recaro maybe.
@johnp9020
@johnp9020 9 месяцев назад
What’s the point
@robinj.9329
@robinj.9329 7 месяцев назад
Nothing but computer screens on the panel? I hate that! Sure, give me some of the latest, greatest technology. BUT I still want my basic, tried and true, RELIABLE dial instruments! I'm not flying at my gaming station in the Family Room at home!!!!!
@chrismurnane6389
@chrismurnane6389 8 месяцев назад
A bit reflective and shows grime quickly. Just saying?.
@Cmoredebris
@Cmoredebris 11 месяцев назад
1960s Royalite for $500,000
@jbj27406
@jbj27406 Год назад
$432,000.00?
@swarajsandhu
@swarajsandhu Год назад
Its not 500 thousand nice
@Factory400
@Factory400 Год назад
Chris - Cessna needs new airplanes, not interiors. Anyone can by a 30 year old airplane and do an interior for a LOT less money. Give us something new. FADEC, composite, faster, farther, etc. etc. Please.
@karlhab1009
@karlhab1009 Год назад
It was supposed to be the Cessna NGP
@tropicthndr
@tropicthndr 11 месяцев назад
@@karlhab1009 yea, awesome idea that would have made the Bonanza look really bad. So then they would have had to upgrade that line of acft also. All that money went to congress to delay mosaic as long as possible.
@AlphaEchoFoxtrot
@AlphaEchoFoxtrot Год назад
Cessna cutting corners and trying to cheaply become Cirrus 😂
@alk672
@alk672 11 месяцев назад
I understand that Cessna has lost all capacity for innovation approximately 50 years ago, but you would think they'd be able to design a decent looking interior, at least for a demo aircraft. Nope.
@sigbauer9782
@sigbauer9782 Год назад
182nd... see what I did there?
@gumbyshrimp2606
@gumbyshrimp2606 Год назад
Why not build an airplane that looks like it’s from 2023?
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
Have at it. You'll make millions.
@fabiocf3708
@fabiocf3708 Год назад
Cirrus does it
@TheGoomba102IsOnYouTube
@TheGoomba102IsOnYouTube 11 месяцев назад
The plastic on the interior of this $500,000 skyhawk makes it look like a car, not really a fan whatsoever. Seems like it may be the beginning of “they dont make them like they used to” (as far as the interior goes) and not for the better
@mikeadams1647
@mikeadams1647 Год назад
Unbelievable the lack of innovation in the airframe and power plant. They should be embarrassed with the lack of progress. How can that guy do the video with a straight face?? Seriously, after half a century all they can do is spiff up the interior??
@eksemos
@eksemos 3 месяца назад
It's a serious problem at Cessna. Their main competitors (piston & jet aircraft) are innovative, bold, and modern in terms of their design and use of cutting edge technologies. Cessna is refreshing their interiors while some of their competitors have introduced clean sheet designs and advanced cockpit & engine technologies to raise the bar in the 21st century. For example, Pilatus added auto-throttles to their PC-24 from the start, they introduced an engine system that essentially can double as an APU, learned some important lessons about interior design and quality and applied that knowledge and experience to their latest models, and continue to innovate and plan for the future. These are just a few of the aspects that give them an edge in the market. Embraer brought clean sheet designs to market in the form of their Phenom 100 and 300, and had to deal with some teething issues, but they kept on innovating and improving their product in ways Cessna could only dream of doing in the light jet market. Cessna did a Gen2 interior refresh of their light jets and called it innovative. I don't think they know the meaning of the word. I'm not saying that their light jets are bad per se, I'm saying they're old designs in a market where their competitors are not standing still.. they're innovating and moving forward fast. Cessna's larger jets are clean sheet designs, but their entry level jets and piston aircraft can't compete with the quality of the competition (i.e. Diamond, Tecnam, Pilatus, Embraer), especially when it comes to modern design and innovation. It's sad.
@pvdgucht
@pvdgucht Год назад
Not a fan! It looks cheap and has like a hint of cyberpunk. It just doesn’t fit with the airplane’s character. It should have modern upgrade like to USB C (not A) and still have a luxury look like cognac brown leather. Idk if it looked more like a porche than that would be an upgrade but this is like a stripped down tesla cybertruck Its just terrible in my opinion. Also white seats for flights schools?? I mean blue jeans alone will f those up.
@wtafda
@wtafda 11 месяцев назад
Reminds me of the New Suburban interior - plastic, plastic and fake leather - for half a mil Tex/Cessna should do better - a lot better
@alk672
@alk672 11 месяцев назад
As terrible as this interior looks - it's not the problem. The problem is that the aircraft from 1970 now costs $500k because it has 2 LED displays installed. That is... well, the problem.
@markor2476
@markor2476 Год назад
That's great but the plane is too expensive for anyone but ATOs.. And even then only the richest of ATOs. Instead fancy seats, how about you make a plane half the price?
@user-pd3ue3ip9t
@user-pd3ue3ip9t 6 месяцев назад
🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Cessna team please
@daszieher
@daszieher Год назад
Half a million dollars for an aircraft that looks like a teenager's rendition of a cheap sports car. Why in earth did they have to try to make it look sporty? What exactly is sporty about the Cessna singles?
@darthmelbius
@darthmelbius Год назад
And for we'll charge you $50k more.
@kaefermichaify
@kaefermichaify 4 месяца назад
This video is hilarious. In Germany we would call it "unfreiwillig komisch" - unintentionally hilarious. At 1:30 I can see right through between the plug panel and the (cheap) sidewall. My parents 1984 VW Passat from my childhood had a better finish. I fly C172s. Our Club has 3 of them, 1997 to 2001 models. I really like cessna. But the way they sell this totally embarassing interior (not to mention the outdated engine) for HALF A MILLION dollars - its beyond belief. I understand why - but this must stop.
@whit10mm72
@whit10mm72 22 дня назад
Sorry it looks like a cheap seat. Paying this much for a plane I would expect more. Old seats looked much better in sight and quality
@ravanos4472
@ravanos4472 Год назад
the 172 needs to go away. the plane hasnt changed very much since it was originally launched. the only updates to it is the avionics which they had no hand in developing, but people still want to pay over $500K for a 66 year old design, with all but the same engine offering. It would be like Ford coming out with 2024 Mustang the was the same body as the 1969, slightly different engine but based off the same engine from 1969 with a digital dash and a new interior for 100k.
@Dan-xt8ki
@Dan-xt8ki 8 месяцев назад
I'd buy it! The new 69 Mustang, that is.
@DanFrederiksen
@DanFrederiksen 11 месяцев назад
I think the seats are nice but the visibility and the plane at large is still an awful tractor. That dash design is a war crime. It's like looking over a fence or in a bunker. Why are you spending a lot of redesign effort on an awful plane? Crush all 172s in front of all employees and look at Risen and Lancair IV-P and do better. I know you tried with the Columbia but you managed to mess that up, made it mediocre and grotesquely expensive. A 4 seater sleek like the Risen, maybe not pressurized, single piece composite fuselage optimized for simple fast construction, maybe a rotax 915 or that new jetA burning piston if they can be talked down to letting you have many for 25k instead of their nonsense 60k. Glide ratio like the Risen, always think actually good engineering, not awful tractor like you are used to and if the price is over 200k you have failed. There is maybe 6k$ worth of quality carbon fiber in such a plane if you do it right so it should not cost 800k. If Garmin isn't willing to lower their prices for the 1990s computers, develop your own with at least 20" screens, all in one unit including "navigation" and radio. Uncluttered synthetic vision display as close to MS flight sim quality as possible, no bs compass rose or speed tape. Get all that stupid clutter off those screens. Powerful electronics and displays are dirt cheap today. Don't indulge Garmin's 50k$ bs. If they don't play ball, replace them. Same goes for the engine producers. One obvious good way to replace them all is to make a 15kg turbofan engine with single piece turbines. Jet can be quite simple and the natural twin engine config, the speed and the lightness are potent competitive parameters. Such a 4 seater plane should weigh no more than 200kg empty. Any more and you are doing it wrong. And Garmin is helping you.
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 Год назад
These silly car inspired head rests are only weight. Nobodies head touches them and there are no rear end collisions 😂🎉😢😮😅
@akgunduz1
@akgunduz1 Год назад
Nooo, production quality is so bad
@TomCook1993
@TomCook1993 Год назад
Looks cheap and penny pinching
@user-kq6xf4om3l
@user-kq6xf4om3l Год назад
Totally out of touch. Half a million for a trainer.
@Pilotc180
@Pilotc180 Год назад
Wow, more ugly plastic in a Cessna for only $700,000; what a bargain
@anthonycyr9657
@anthonycyr9657 Год назад
Fit and finish is horrible for a half million dollar aircraft, not impressed at all..
@qsikbk1
@qsikbk1 8 месяцев назад
This looks terrible.
@bogdanivchenko3723
@bogdanivchenko3723 Год назад
2:18 I'm sorry, but this is garabage. How could you be designing something, and do such a bad job making the one prototype. Middle school kids could have done a better job.
@jennibgmailcom
@jennibgmailcom Год назад
at 1:54 the cup holder looks like the cup would interfere with headset and USB plugs. Might just be the angle.
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