Alan Moore's brief, but compelling, description of anarchism. Learn more at www.anarchistfaq.org Alan Moore was the writer of such graphic novels as V for Vendetta, Watchmen, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and Swamp Thing.
The ideology this righteous dude is talking about is not merely a concept, but has been put into action. I recommend people look up anarcho syndicalist Catalonia in the Spanish civil war. Money is not a necessity to society, it's an inhibitor on its growth
Or any current functioning anarchist society today: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities Also, anarchism can only work, as it does in already existing societies, if it is inclusive and not run by whiteness.
@@reneelucero2923I mean they're a little different in that they don't consider themselves anarchist but they have a lot of anarchism in their organizational structure and anarchists can learn a lot from them.
But how do you solve the Hobbes's problem of war of all against all in free human society? It is not so easy to do that as it seems. Without government or bosses.
@@MS4View That's Hobbes' messed up view of humanity. His problem lies in his mindset, and the mindset of the cultures he inspired. It's not Hobbes' war of all against all, nor is it the naïve paradise of Rosseau. It's a false dichotomy. I can highly recommend The Dawn of Everything by Graeber and Wengrove, it begins on this exact issue. For a taste, check out the excerpt of the book titled "The Dawn of Everything Is Not a Book About the Origins of Inequality".
@@ximono I've heard about this book but didn't have an opportunity to read it yet. Anyway I am a firm adherent of free society of peoples without any authority on the principles of mutually beneficial cooperation between the members. But I have reasonable doubts how exactly to achieve this goal.
@@MS4View Yeah, it is difficult to achieve, and then to uphold. I'm not sure how it can be done myself, I think one has to be cautious and not too idealistic. But I'm optimistic that it can be done. I think the key is to prevent the accumulation of power, even when it's in the name of the good. And to somehow subdue the greedy/selfish aspect of the human psyche, which now dominates. Even view it as a sickness of the mind when excessive, which it is. Some is always necessary, it's about finding a balance. That requires self-awareness, introspection, maturity. Basically a much more advanced culture than ours. Not governed by rules, but guided by principles. The question is if we're mature enough as a species or if we're still adolescents. I don't think we're ready yet, but we have to try and fail in order to learn and grow.
"abolish money! Yeah! So we trade things directly." Ok, so I have a lot of apples and I might need dental surgery in a few years. How do I trade those apples for dental work? Well, the dentist doesn't need 3 tonnes of apples, and those apples are perishable, so what I need is an "IOU" of some kind, so I can trade those apples with that guy who I need to fix my fence, and for that TV I want, and they can give me IOUs for them apples, and then I can pass those IOUs onto the dentist when I pay him. Never know when I need to trade for the dentistry, or maybe a doctor or surgeon. Maybe a plumber. Maybe I can use gold or some other non perishable, finite, and easily carriable token? Maybe just a bit of paper with a promise to trade written on it and agreed upon by everyone? So long as everyone agrees... Oh hang on, I just invented money! Derp.
Agreed. If you want a great example of it checkout a documentary called "Commune" released in 2005. Or on a larger scale you can always look into the Spanish revolution. These are both practical and direct applications of Anarchy in the modern world.
what kind of guitar do you play? and what kind of metal does your band play? I like the bands that do crazy or esoteric things it keeps things interesting, if you like gothic metalcore, I recommend the band motionless in white
a few of my friends write music but we mostly just play covers of classic and thrash metal bands like i mentioned (priest, sabbath, metallica, pantera, motorhead). we also play a lot of classic rock, hard rock, and alternative stuff. most of my friends who like rock are more into hard rock and alternative than straight metal...what kind of guitar do you play? do have a fav band, song, album, etc?
Money is just a universal bartering good. It's value in a free society derives from it's availability and from the variety and quantity of goods you can acquire from it and it's ease of use. It really is the lubricant of economies. It is a technology, and like any technology, can be used to further moral or immoral goals.
I subscribe to freedom; both political and economic. I don't see either in any form of capitalism. As Karl Poylani conceptualized there are both good and bad freedoms. A bad freedom is the freedom to oppress, and that is what any form of capitalism, from the neoliberal to the laissez-faire, creates.
Here in britain I took part in my first ever general election and after voting i felt like it was a waste of my time and seeing it unravel before my eyes now with this Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition I was thinking 'why the heck do these people want to regulate and control my life?' And over the last 24 hours i've been thinking over this and anarchism is describing my current viewpoint perfectly.
I listen to volbeat, did you listen to their new album? im also a trivium fan, I seen them live twice, do you listen to symphonic metal? or folk metal? I don't listen to glam metal either but I do like nu-metal for its hip hop influences do you listen to reggae metal? the band skindred I play electric guitar and im not in a band hbu
yeah, I noticed how if your introduced to a certain sub-genres first you tend to stick around similar sub-genres, I got introduced to metal via nu-metal so I like the stuff that has clean mixed in with harsh vocals in it
@Gt5OOkr If that were the case, why is there still murder going on? Why is it that statistics demonstrate that states that use the death penalty show higher murder rates?
what color is ur guitar? and my fav band is metallica. maybe if you're one of those metal purist crazies you think they're sellouts but their first 5 albums kill. they're kinda docile now but back in the 80's they were nuts. i love watching old concert footage. their instrumentals are glorious too. id say black sabbath is a close second. who are your favorite guitarists?
A question about Moore: what kind of accent he has? He speaks in some kind of British manner, but I would like to know (by an English person preferably) how is called his kind of accent, his manner of speech. I don't think its just plain English accent, am I right? Is it close to Cockney??
@Insaneagram The understanding of Anarchism is not just that the individual ought to be in control of their own fate, it is also coupled with the recognition that the individual is very much an active part of society. Human beings are social creatures, but we are also unique individuals. To deny either aspect of our nature limits our full potential. (A) is about individual liberty as well as co-operation and mutual aid. You're right, groups are very important.
You know in a study, it's been said that people (mostly youth) attend political groups or groups in general without even knowing what it is, but supporting it because of a social reason. Like a group or club.
@DontEatEggs666 I don't think that your interpreted what I was saying as I intended it. I didn't assert that Anarchy is structureless, I asserted that we can't intentionally design structure society. I wouldn't be so strict about what Anarchism is, isn't, or should be, every Anarchist has a different concept of Anarchy.
I think everybody is capable of having their own sense of what's right or wrong. There's no need for anyone to tell people that. As long as people volunteer and really get along with this way of thinking before joining an hypothetical anarchist society, it's gonna work.
@newperve My understanding of the Spanish Civil War is based on the books I've read about it, which include Homage to Catalonia, Durruti in the Spanish Civil War and Sabate as well as the documentary Living Utopia. and a TON of other minor articles and research papers. The Stalinists DID in deed force the Anarchists into formal hierarchal militaries, which was counter to their ethics. That isn't even a disputed fact. And joining the government was contentious to say the least.
Because the day will eventually come when I finally die. And when that time comes around, I will look back at everything. I will ponder my childhood, consider the unexplored possibilities of my adolescence, reflect upon my career and ultimately wonder what lies beyond. And when I do so, will I come to rest on the understanding that it was a good life? A bad one? One where I did what I could to ease the ones around me, or on the other hand do nothing but feed my ego?
Any system consist of parts, these which are capable of answering to some effects. Even an electron is capable of answering to many stuations in different ways by changing velocity-orbit-current etc. and any group of things will create a system-unwillingly. Because any "thing" exists in specific situations, has ways to realise its environment, therefore nothing is seperated from its surroundings. Thing-surrounding-border?
@reapfreak i never admitted that. you took what i said completely out of context. i was arguing that in an anarchist society, even if the vast majority of people cared for others, how many would avenge them if they were hurt?
I'm aware of the term mutualism, I sparingly use it to define my attitude towards economics. Keep in mind that we attribute whatever meaning we want to these terms. It's arbitrary. My point was that, conditions in reality will always defy our models of how things should be. In the absence of the state I see a whole spectrum of economic structures, from capitalism, to mutualism, to communism.
He has said in other interviews that he is an "anarcho-syndicalist." If you read about anarcho-syndicalism, you'll have a better idea of what kind of "administration" he's referring to.
I find Anarchism and Marxism very attractive. However, i just can't picture in detail the economic and social system in them. What would society look like, say in Anarchism? Is it really achievable or realistic for individuals in Anarchism to share work? My work today is to pick up garbage for two weeks then after that I'm an accountant for the next two weeks? Is Anarchism achievable in industrial society like ours?
i agree with that assessment 100%. its difficult to go to from one end of the spectrum to the complete opposite. do you like any thrash or classical metal bands or are you pretty much just a metalcore guy?
he says it's the only way and most moral. maybe most moral, but to have a functional anarchy you have to have enormous trust in everyone, and that everyone will have a very strong sense of ethics, contentiousness, respect, love, empathy, critical thought... which would be very good qualities to have abundantly in a society, but for the moment, unlikely to hold throughout the masses... only a handful of people are like that... you need education, stable families and society, it's a hard thing...
Yep, I made a comment referring to that. and it's JUST as closed minded to ASSUME that someone is joining for a social reason though. 1. don't believe in ANYTHING just "for social reasons" 2. at the same time, do not ASSUME that someone else who believes in something, MUST believe in it "for social beliefs".
Same here. Alan moore understands what Anarchism is, he gets it. Real anarchist a peaceful poeple who Protestant sensibly, no violence and no agression thats a real anarchist march. And its something Alan is.
Hey, I'm just stating my own take on things, no need for YOU to be so negative about it. Also, I never mentioned anything about moral decay or the possibilities for man to improve (which exist). However, judging from the last - oh, I don't know - 2000 years, I'd say that chances of that happening are pretty slim. I know that there ARE genuinely 'good' people.
"Anarchism is the great liberator of man from the phantoms that have held him captive; it is the arbiter and pacifier of the two forces for individual and social harmony." ~ Emma Goldman
the thing is: it's hard for us to concieve a way of behaving that is not based on selfishness. people have been living for centuries under a logic of "protect what's yours from others". The building of an anarchist system would require the change on this way of thinking/feeling/seeing the world. And that means it wouldn't be expected thiefs/murderers/social enemies to exist. That's my point of view.
@SecessioPlebis of course, it is also possible to be fuelled by things other than anger and laziness - idealism and compassion is a good start. But these are incredibly high standards that I wouldn't expect most people to meet, and which they generally do not, as far as I can see.
Regarding the video editorial bubble: The bankers are part of the problem because, antithetical to anarchist ideals, bankers represent concentrated wealth and power.
@GuyFawkes501 In Somalia, after the state fell, they reverted to Xeer law and market forces to deal with criminality. The best example is the way credit scores, product/service rating organizations and private dispute firms work. It's also a moral question as to the way a criminal should be dealt with, I myself don't believe in physical harm or imprisonment, so the last thing I want is my money stolen and used to harm somone I feel deserves no harm.
@YurChuck23 There are several examples of functioning anarchist societies, the best -known probably being Freetown Christiana and Catalonia, Spain in the early 1930's. There are also several schools of anarchy, if you want to read a little more about anarchist philosophy, I suggest reading some Noam Chomsky or Daniel Guerin.
@DuffmanIRL From Merriam Webster online: "Anarchism - a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups." Anarchism, strictly speaking, only has to do with systems of governance. Economics is a different topic, whether you like it or not. Hence anarcho-capitalist vs anarcho-socialist vs anarcho-syndicalist, etc.
Hi, I'm an anarchist, maybe I can answer some of your questions. "Laws" as arbitrary rules created by states wouldn't exist or be enforced. "Laws" as social norms would be enforced by peer pressure. But the most emphasis would be placed on the protection of the individuals (all individuals) integrity, rights, dignity, solidarity, property (unless it's anarcho-communism).
>>"For one, there is reciprocity." Okay, that's a good ideal. But here's a new scenario. An organized gang is threatening a nearby neighborhood/commune. They are not really armed or prepared to take care of this gang alone. Do you go to help defend this neighborhood? Will your entire community go to help? Some in your community don't want to help. What should you do about them? Should you punish them? Do you train to take care of this gang? Does anyone lead your militia?
@DontEatEggs666 I'd suspect that to be a correlation not a causation relationship. For instance, the abuse of drugs might be a psychological problem with the same root as the violence behavior. I don't see a way that drugs themselves could cause crime, there has at least got to be some kind of catalyst of factors for crime.
@newperve I think, if you really want to look into it, though they weren't perfect human beings, the Anarchist militias where FAAAARRRR less prone to the kinds of abuses that the formally militarized militias often committed. Also, by the time the Anarchists were forced into the government, the war was basically lost. I don't know what books you've read (since I'm sure you weren't there) But I've never heard mention of a ban on smoking, Orwell smokes through out Homage.
Not in anarcho-capitalism although its categorization as a form of anarchism is disputed by other schools of anarchism-that being said, it depends what you mean by "private property" few if any anarchists want to abolish personal possessions, ie your house, your car, everything in etc. The anti-propertarian forms of anarchism that do exist only seek to abolish large-scale ownership of land or industry that they argue is dependent on government privilege to maintain.
Also the perceived contradiction between freedom and equality is a red herring. To quote Noam Chomsky "human talents vary considerably, within a fixed framework that is characteristic of the species and that permits ample scope for creative work, including the appreciation of the creative achievements of others. This should be a matter of delight rather than a condition to be abhorred.
there would be all different kind of laws for the same town/state, some contracts would allow you to do stuff and others wont and that would make it confusing as hell and unorganized
@GtheMVP If you've ever played Saints Row 2, it is easy to see how corporate society has supreme power in a given area. In the game, there is a company called Ultor, which happens to have its own police force that roams the streets. This is basically displaying dominance over the people in its realm, which occurs with real world corporations. A free market is just simple trading with a fancy name. But of course, people don't really realize much about the world around them anymore.
