I don't know if anyone's noticed, but American movie studios haven't been that great at portraying white Americans either! They suck at relating to ANY people anymore.
its because all the writers now are losers who have never been in real life social settings outside their weird social circles so they don't know how to write real life, they are assuming how real ppl act and talk, might as well be aliens trying to write humans
It's not just the writers, why didn't the director or someone else spot these issues?? Everyone has knowledge blind spots, something as collaborative as a TV show or movie should have someone on the payroll who'll notice... The SFX people and props guys don't seem to have called it out either....
Oh wow, she is a native person just like me, oh wow! I am seen now! Thank you, self-aggrandizing Hollywood activists, for giving us this tasteless, boring schlock to honor my people you know nothing about.
Knowing Hollywood, the sarcasm here would go totally over their heads, and they would just give themselves a pat on the back and an academy award for how virtuous they are. 🤣
It's the same as they've done in WandaVision. Wanda held an entire town hostage and mentally tortured them for who knows how long - and the "good guys" let her get away with it. Especially Photon - you know, one of the three leads of "the Marvels"? I wonder why noone would watch that movie, hmm ...
standard West...women aren't evil no matter how many of their babies they murder...its their choice. just hers or other people's... what's the difference
@@GH-ub7qz Echo is a Mary Sue. No man no matter how badass he is can defeat a Mary Sue. An Echo V. Punisher fight would go the same as her fight with Dare Devil. She'd match the Punisher blow for blow making him work extra hard. Eventually he'll distract her and runaway like a coward. Men are not allowed to beat women or appear as superior to them in any way onscreen nowadays. The only things that are allowed are things that make men look like predatory pigs.
I am ashamed that any human being is as stupid and ignorant as those writers. Probably some ignoramus came up with the near-deadly automotive glass, and everyone else was terrified of telling a member of some coddled group or other that she was wrong.
@@zerocool5395 I like to think they were all laughing to themselves as they were setting it up. Then again it's the stupidest little detail in a very stupid show so it's like yet another drop of water in a lake.
I love how Echo in the comics is basically similar to Taskmaster, but the showrunners decided that her powers were "really lame." Protip: If your showrunner thinks the character they are adapting is really lame, don't hire them.
Director : I don't really like Superman's power and weakness, so I have a thought, maybe if we can just ... Marvel : you're hired Director : but Superman is not even Marvel Marvel : still hired
Not to mention her power to copy stuff she sees, ties in well with her being deaf. Idk why they thought it was lame, it's a pretty badass power. Not to mention she'd be pretty skilled at a bunch of stuff. Why wouldn't they want to use that?
They think comics and comic fans are lame. They don't care about entertaining or making a good, profitable show. They want to get paid and they want to browbeat us deplorables into thinking like they do.
I appreciate Alan pointing out that Shang-Chi was focused on Chinese culture and not "Asian" culture. It bugs the hell outta me when media outlets and generic shill reviewers refer it to "the Black Panther for Asians".
Some folks in Hollywood are trying to show sensitivity to other cultures, but they all seem to think the Europe, Africa, and Asia are each a single monolithic culture.
@@saldiven2009 Why would they not? Black people* have enthusiastically bought into "Africans" as a single monolithic culture, to the point where they feel they can fold ethnically and racially distinct groups into their "AMERICAN black" mix. Because they ain't got time for all that tribal rigamarole. I've heard criticism from Africans about this very thing. The support from "black people" for Wakanda is not unanimous. Still, a success in America. But when Chinese-American and Japanese-American wokies try to do the same, it fails completely. Good. Because they HAVE vibrant and unique existing cultures that don't need to be pandered to. I think it would be proper to reject Hollywoods' amorphous "skin color" and "epicanthic fold" defining factors, just as I reject "white people" or even "European" for my own. *-AMERICAN black people. I don't even like "black" as a definition, because it make a binary divide out of a spectrum.
Alan's ranting reminded me of an incident in which an Asian-American actor recounted one audition he went to. After doing the audition, the director asked him to do the lines again but with more of an accent. The actor was so sick of doing another stereotypical "Asian" accent, he redid the lines as requested........but with an Irish/Scottish accent (the director never actually specified which accent he wanted). At first, there was complete silence and then the director laughed out loud hard.
Kingpin kept an ASL interpreter with him to talk with Echo, but in Daredevil they showed Kingpin spoke Mandarin. I don’t know why they couldn’t just have Kingpin know ASL too. He’s a smart character and it would make sense for him to have learned ASL to communicate with Echo over the years. Especially since it’s way easier to learn ASL when compared to Mandarin.
As a Chinese learner, Kingpin’s “Chinese” stabbed pencils in my ears. Given they’re deliberately pandering to deaf people, they can’t afford the same reaction
Yeah, it would have made more sense for Kingpin to know ASL, but unfortunately ASL users don't have their own country with a market share that Disney is thirsting for..
Kingpin was sorta kinda ASL-ing in Hawkeye, so I'm confused. No, not watching this pile of shit just to laugh at it along with all of you. But I'll still laugh with you! 🙂
The goofiest part is, in the comics, not only is Echo much better looking, far more likeable, and just generally a better character, she can also read lips flawlessly and speak with no impairment, because that's her whole thing. She can imitiate anything she can see, including speech. So she has no need for ASL, other than with other deaf people, nor would anyone need to use it for her to understand them.
In the comics, Echo's powers were like Taskmaster: photographic reflexes, the ability to duplicate any move she had seen once. She can also read lips, speak multiple languages, and she's skilled in using exotic weaponry.
So just another derivative replcament? "She's basically taskmaster, but indigenous. And disabled -- double disabled! - And gay." What's her character, though? " I told you everything. She's a hadicapped bipoc lgbt upgrade."
I like how the more "inclusive" they are, the more racist they inadvertently go: "We pay our respects to this culture by insinuating that anything that is not white has to be magical!" :facepalm:
In the comic she was Blackfeet but they changed it for some reason. They were scared of the word Black, Blackfeet are more ''stereotypical'' natives, and they just want a new lore. Sorry, Blackfeet, you're too boring. On the other hand who would want to be represented by that? They changed her powers to be the ''power of the native''. Every time they end up being more racist!
I just came back from my local comic shop picking up my books and we had a debate about this show two people were in there telling us how great the show is and I'd ask them specific questions about what they like but no one had an answers. All they would say is that it's gritty and dark and just like daredevil.
That's something I noticed about fake fans. Their opinions are always vague and never focus on any specific.Like they'll talk about how interesting Maya is as a character, but no examples of why she's interesting or what scene specifically they're talking about. That why the user Rotten Tomato scores musings are so transparent.
@@StratumPress Yeah they were that crowd. I do pity them because I understand that they want to like this stuff. But so do I. Pretending things are okay, is equally as bad as just hating everything
So Echo was basically created to pander to Disney's DEI department and fill checkboxes so that Disney can chest thump and claim 1st woman this and 1st woman that.
As a survivor of a T-Bone car accident, I can confirm the glass shatters in itty bitty pieces. Nobody was in danger of losing a leg to glass. That is stupid. This is what happens when writers with ZERO real world experience or desire to research are allowed to write your shows.
I'm an auto - glazier by trade. Body windows such as side windows, boot windows etc are single glazed and usually tinted as you described. Tiny little pieces, almost square shapes. Front windows are double glazed meaning, it is two windows stuck together with a perspect/laminate in the middle. Making it impossible to shatter.
"You'll hear spoilers." I mean I guess thanks for the heads up, but do you think your FT audience, like me are going to even bother watching this dumpster fire? I don't even intend to pirate this. That is one thing I must say, DEI Hollywood has made pirating uninteresting, since there's really nothing in the sense of morbid curiosity worth stealing. I mean, either way they still don't get the view and money, but at least pirating is down.
You know, funny you say that, it’s struck me for a couple years now how the stuff around isn’t even worth stealing. That’s one way to stop piracy, and paying customers too.
@@c1ph3rpunk RIGHT!!!??? Videogames, nothing. Shows, nothing. Movies and music, NOTHING. Also I do at least do my part and have Spotify, but even Spotify is making it super hard for me to stay legit with them, since they introduced "SMART SHUFFLE", oh hey, we know you TIMED this playlist to PERFECTLY sync with how long it takes you to fall asleep but we'll sneakily turn on smart shuffle and now here's something that's not at all like anything else in your playlist or especially this playlist.
If you want to see a Chinese movie that takes place in America and does American culture, watch "Rumble in the Bronx" with Jackie Chan. The way gangs of New York are portrayed is hilariously good.
The MCU version can "Echo" powers of her ancestors to use when needed, which for some reason are based from alien origins. The Comic version is basically like Taskmaster and can copy any martial arts combat just by seeing it once.
My personal favourite bit of her powers was the "go granny" soooo much cheese, this is just bad in almost every way. People getting shot and no effect, the car window, the slow closing of the door which didn't even go past the door frame and launched biscuits dozens of feet back across the lawn and soo much more.
For a 5 year old, I can see how a massive piece of glass could destroy enough tissue to render the limb impossible to save. The limb is smaller. But it is utterly stupid writing that can be destroyed in seconds, whereas a crush injury is plausible enough that nobody would have noticed.
@@richardmartin8998 Oh yeah I have to admit I didn't even think about the fact that she was 5 years old I was literally imagining the piece of glass in my own thigh But yeah the crushed leg would have been. It's too much simpler
When I was younger I looked up to Dr. Who - He adventures the universe, helping those that need help using his wits and brain power. Also probably also wanted to be like Superman .. able to fly, see through stuff, laser heat vision .. but principled to help people in trouble. And finally like Captain Picard .. refined, erudite, intelligent .. considering the problems and using brain-power and self discipline to lead and to explore the galaxy. To rise to the occasion to help save his planet like Shad from 'Battle beyond the stars'. Or to be brave like Ripley in Aliens .. facing her worst nightmares all to save a small child. Or like Samwise Gamgee .. willing to risk everything for the love of his dear friend. I could name a thousand more heroes, adventures and people of fiction whom I look up to. Echo is .. a psychopathic criminal with resting b*tchface, who goes around causing pain, misery and a woe .. and all for selfish gain. Wow ... what a role model!
So now, superheroes look completely ordinary and have no moral advantage over villains. But they are also not sympathetic so they fail at being either heroes, villains or Everyman.
Echo doesn't start the show as a hero, she's a straight up villian, the plot is the process she goes through to go from that blood thirsty villian into a hero, to go from remorseless killer, to loving merciful hero.
Actress seems to not be strong and empowered boss girl enough to take a staged punch for the sake of being a boss female hero for young girls everywhere. So dance they shall. And what a dance battle it was. Made millions want to blind themselves, those daredevils.
If the writers put something to paper as stupid as the way she loses a leg, there has to be somebody else involved in the production process to say "Hey, glass doesn't work that way, change it." That can't be allowed to make it on screen, change it to metal, she lost her leg to a piece of metal, there, problem solved. This crap is unbelievable, except it's not.
I see Shang-Chi as the progenitor of the MCU's decline. It has all of the worst aspects of the MCU shoved into one movie, but was given a pass due to cultural reasons. This is what makes is one of the worst offenders in all of the MCU in my opinion.
The fact she's missing a leg makes her fights laughably ridiculous. It would be incredibly easy to just take the prosthetic leg and then she's done left to hobble about. Such a dumb character.
The extent of mcu writers to write current superhero powers is to give them "bullsh*t magic powers" like Echo, Gaya, Photon, Miss Marvel, and arguably Carol Danvers have.
1937 is when windshields started being laminated, of course its gotten better through the years but still. It has a layer of plastic between 2 pieces of glass. It doesnt just shatter into a million pieces like the side windows but is held together by the plastic. Just sayin.
It didn't help that he wanted to be an assh*le about it either. I seem to remember him being caught bitching about how it's unfair that all Asians in American cinema are just there for the martial arts. It's like he attended the Peter Dinklage School of F*cking Over People Like You After You've Already Succeeded. Pretty terrible timing to have a meltdown about that when he's supposed to be promoting a movie where he kicks ass using martial arts, but whatever. What's even more sad is that his whole attitude kind of put me off of watching Kim's Convenience, which was freaking hilarious. Unless things went really crazy in later episodes, I don't recall martial arts being part of that show. Also, one of my favorite older movies is "Flower Drum Song", which I don't remember there being a lot of kung fu in. Granted, it's been a while since I watched it, but from what I remember it's a musical about Chinese immigrants in San Francisco.
That ASL sign that Chris did means "bull$hlt." He didn't get it quite right, but he was very close. I'm not fluent in ASL, but I enjoy studying it because languages fascinate me. Idid teach high school physics at a private school for a long time, and my degree is in geophysics. That Echo fight scene definitely flaunts a sad ignorance of the laws of physics. And the glass shattering in the car... Oh my gosh. I think I asked my dad why auto glass shatters that way when I was 9 or 10 years old. My dad knew the exact reason, and explained it to me. Now that I'm an adult, I feel like that's something that 95% of Americans should know (the remaining 5% are either very young children, or somehow mentally disabled.) That's another reason why kids need to grow up with their father in the home. Kids need their dad around because so much knowledge is passed on to kids through simply spending time with their fathers. Here's another example of what I think should be common knowledge, common sense even, to about everyone in the Western world. I'm seeing characters (and by extension, their writers) who don't know this basic fact become more and more prevalent in shows and movies: Modern hotels all around the world do not have windows that open (to prevent people from self-deleting by jumping out their windows. (ESPECIALLY hotels in casinos, where losing your life savings, your kid's college funds, or even your home and/or automobile on a dumb bet could destroy your entire life in a minute). I caught that immediately when I saw The Hangover, and I knew where Doug actually was for about the whole movie. I really thought this was common knowledge to basically everyone. Americans, especially younger Americans from (or still in) the public education system are getting dumber and dumber every year it seems. Watching those Man On the Street videos showcase the complete ignorance and sad lack of basic knowledge among millennials and gen Z'ers. This has forced me to the inevitable conclusion that our country is doomed. It might take another couple of decades for this country to completely dissolve, but it feels like we're basically on autopilot to that. The country I grew up in no longer exists. All the great advantages and opportunities I had as a gen X'er, are no longer available to millennials and gen Z'ers. They won't be able to buy a home in their lifetimes, or start a business that can grow and scale up, and supports both them and their families and children for generations. I worry all the time about the world we're leaving to my six nephews and nieces. My generation has failed to preserve that world and all the great things about it for the generations to come. The challenges those kids will face in their lifetimes seem almost insurmountable. And those challenges they will face have never before been faced by any generation throughout human history. How will they ever be able to overcome and prevent the issues inherent in the use of this new thing called Social Media, for example? I worry about my nieces and nephews all the time lately. I've been losing sleep over it for years.
I love this comment, scary as it is. It reminded me that I read a story in Fantasy and Science Fiction magazine years ago worrying about that exact problem. It highlighted that a campus was full of vapidity, and that important knowledge like how to fix the water systems was getting lost. And as another generation X, it's terrifying how much we assumed everything in the 1990s would still be available today. Because it would be ridiculous to lose that, right?
Those new writers are so out of touch that they don't know how anything works (besides their iPhone maybe)! They invent some childish device or accident just to justify their plot! Like in "bodies, bodies, bodies" when the car battery is out of power so they can not leave the mention in the thundering rain just by letting the light inside the car on FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES!!!
You know, when I was a child, I thought the lyric to that great song was "Secret Asian Man…" Which still sounds epic. Great Review and breakdown. NGL- I was in love with "Vanishing Son" on TV in the 90s starring Russell Wong, who also co-starred in Joy Luck Club.
I remember this cartoon I saw in the early 90's called Brave Starr, where the protagonist is a Native American Space Marshall that calls upon strength of spirit animals, and has a talking Horse partner/deputy. Modern ideas are so safe and bland they don't do weird ideas like this anymore.
I finished all 5 episodes of Echo yesterday and it broke me especially the last episode. They would rather have mystical bullshit roots as superpower than her martial arts skills. I refuse to believe that Netflix shows are canon in MCU. I have no excitement for any upcoming MCU shows after this one.
@@captainbigos9267 I like to give a movie/tv series a chance and finished them if I can. But with MCU I gave them too many and apart from recent Guardians Vol 3 & Loki Season 2 everything else sucked last year and Echo this year.
Sounds like Echo is going into my Trash Can along with She-Hulk, another series I will never watch.... What a joke, Hollywood has become in recent years.
Dude the show is good, its not just a diversity tokenism crap, this show wasn't political at all, and her disablity and hertiage are just empty tokens, they are utilitized to tell a unique story. All this hate is like hate on automatic pilot, its completely without sustance.
They sold this as some groundbreaking show bc of the fact that they’d be making it “dark+gritty”…. apparently they forgot that was already successfully done with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, The Punisher, and Luke Cage. (Hell, even a show like Arrow was better than Echo at being dark+gritty haha)
Its connected to both Hawkeye and Daredevil. Was it that dark and gritty? Eye of the beholder I guess, at times it could be dark. But none of that matters because all I wanted was a good story and I got it.
@@gyorgyor7765 no I’m saying they didn’t make it dark and gritty to the level they claimed it’d be. (Tho yes a good story would’ve helped too. Haha) Doesn’t matter if it’s connected to Hawkeye and daredevil- I’m comparing the actual shows themselves to Echo. Not the individual superheroes. I’m just glad I have daredevil+Jessica Jones on BluRay… bc it means I don’t have to re-sub to Disney+ in order to watch a couple high quality marvel shows. Haha
We don't care when you talk about being Asian American. We only care when people make it seem like they're more important or deserve special treatment because of it, which you do not do Alan.
Funny thing About the prosthetic Leg, Saw beekeeper yesterday and it was amazing, there was a scene where statham kicks out a prosthetic leg and then demolishes the guy lol.
Toughened glass was invented in 1874 by Francois Barthelemy Alfred Royer de la Bastie. Wire mesh glass was invented in 1892 by Frank Shuman. Laminated glass was invented in 1903 by the French chemist Édouard Bénédictus (1878-1930).
Don't worry, Alan, Hollywood will always come to the rescue because they have the well worn trope of "The Magic Indian"! It's a goto hook that NEVER fails!
Laminated safety glass has been required on all vehicles since 1937 in our world. That vehicle looked a lot newer than that. Guess they never had those safety standards in that universe.
All these people living exactly like everyone else in America. Gorging themselves on pop-culture, but because they look a little different they think they have some foreign culture that needs to be demonstrated and spotlighted. Give me a break
Tempered glass which is required in all US vehicles can still cut. It's lots of tiny little cuts and it's easier to avoid than big shards which can cut arteries or Sever limbs. That being said when tempered glass is shattered and falling to the ground it still has weight before it breaks apart and can rip-off flesh. I installed glass showers for 3 years
Alan talks, assuming that anyone wants more native American focused movies. The elephant in the room is that it's not interesting. Disney doesn't need to put a family of every background on TV to validate them. If they need validation, disney + probably isn't the place to get it. It's also shoehorned and woke to just pretend this movie is setting natives back by not making a good show with a random native family. No, I don't want more box checking shows. If this will make producers second guess this shit, good.
If they made more, they might be forced to abandon boring ethic caricatures and create *real* characters and stories. I love learn about other cultures if it’s not just box-ticking
Safety glass became mandated for all car windshields in 1937!!!! In the 1950s they started using tempered glass for the windows as well. How old was the car they were driving in the show? LOL
I can already hear the "who cares? its just a movie..." crowd chiming in. Suspension of disbelief can only be maintained if there's a baseline of reaity.
Dances With Wolves says we're all dead. How can Hollywood offend NDNs when we don't exist anymore? We should just be thankful that an entity like Disney is willing to make the effort to educate the world about an entire hemisphere's worth of civilizations since we're too deceased to tackle that on our own. Thank you, Great White Savior, without Bob Iger we would be nothing but shadows and dust.
I just watched a video defending the leaked footage version of the fight scene saying it was bad because it was in potato quality and wasn't finished yeah but the problem is the actual show itself is still not good at all and that's really saying something coming from a Marvel product these days. Even if this show was amazing it's basically in its own little universe so it doesn't even matter. It's like how there's one good Star Wars thing unfortunately it's based on characters who are all now dead in a franchise that's been driven into the ground.
In the post-credit scene of the final episode, she finds her leg again in the trunk of the same old wrecked car. Kicking herself for not checking there years ago.
I was once in a roll over crash and at least in my case can attest that the windows shattered into very small shards. I got some lacerations from the glass but no large chunks impaling me.
couldn't they have given her a bionic leg, then maybe she would have reason to be so strong. At least that part of it. Safety glass was mandated for all cars in 1937
I’ll see Chris Gore on Drinker’s or Nerdrotic’s show and others as well. Has Alan been invited to any of those yet? Maybe I missed them? Hopefully I can see him soon. He’s literally half of Film Threat
In Disney's defense , they would've had to find a trained deaf indigenous amputee stunt women to use in the fights scenes and for some reason those are hard to find
What I ask myself: how much representation is it, when they changed the tribe of the main character compared to the comic books? I mean, they basically went „we don’t like that tribe, so just take another one that fits our expectations of tribes more“. Is that still representation or isn’t it just neo-colonialism?
What is the point in watching any Marvel/Disney shows/movies? The writers have no clue or actually care for these characters. They are only interested in DEI and making girl bosses who no one cares about. It is a sad time for comic book fans
We had "safety glass" in the late 60s. Every window had a white little oval that had the words "shatter proof glass" in it. My little sister in the early 70s had to test that on my Dad's late 60s station wagon with a hammer. Worked like a charm. Dad was unthrilled, as they said in the film "Pump Up the Volume" Great early movie of Christian Slater.
Oh my God, you've given me a fun idea for a joke in a spoof! A character has a prominent amputation, and the story keeps flashing back to events where that body part is injured. Each flashback is heavily implied to be how the limb was lost, but at the beginning of the each flashback, the limb is clearly intact, and each ends before the amputation is shown. There is no indication of the order of these flashbacks. Each one ends with a jump cut to the prosthetic.
How stupid are those writers? REALLY REALLY stupid. The most eye opening experience for me recently was comparing the show runners, directors and writers from pre-End Game (like the Daredevil Netflix series) to the credits of those working on things like Echo and Secret Invasion. The average experience level dropped from 50-100+ genre related shows and other projects to 3-4 dramas and documentaries. Go look it up, it's nuts.
The clue is in the word "Character." We like a "character,' not because they look like us, but because we can see something in their characteristics that we can identify with & aspire to. What goes on in these writers' heads when they look at a "hero" & think "Deaf, amputee indigenous women won't like this character as it fails to represent them", but whinge when anybody else says "i don't identify with this character"?
I honestly think Shang-Chi was probs the best non-GotG Marvel fare since Endgame too. It was the last time I sat down in the cinema to watch one of these and just had a popcorn-fun enjoyable experience.
Shang-Chi being one of the best since endgame isn’t really saying much. The bar is so low a mediocre and forgettable film is considered a high standard.
Shang Chi is definitely slept on and as an Asian-American, I definitely can see how I appreciate it more than not of Asian heritage. I loved it for the most part, and I wish it saw more box office success so I can have more