Aegon is the rightful heir 🤷♀️ Edit: since yall illiterates can’t read the books i made another comment listing all the evidence that proves aegon’s claim, click on my pfp and you’ll see the comment, rhaenyra is a usurper cope harder (made a reply here but yt deleted my comment)
@@Nick-cy2tn Maybe or maybe not. People with other disorders can also be overstimulated. I have clinical depression and I when I have really bad episodes/bouts, I can also get overstimulated or triggered.
Which made it so fucking sad when someone approached her and said "my queen!!" He was literally worried about her!! And that's why Alicent was like "No no no don't attack him! You'll even drive allies away from us!!"
Another thing I noticed is that the small folks anger was mostly directed at Alicent, if you watch closely - the crowds attention is focused on her and not Helaena. Helaena was being protected and herded for the most part, the one piece of rotten food that had hit her was aimed at Alicent.
@@brandijoy1 not many people have the ability to hit a moving target, the food was aimed at Alicent but she moved and it flew past her and hit her daughter.
I love that she did what any mother would do and protected her child with her body against the mob. And then some of the crowd was actually trying to help them.
Alicent's actions were born NOT of compassion or protectiveness, but a realization that Helaena is her ONLY avenue to power in Kings Landing. Helaena is the Queen Consort so long as Aegon lives. Aegon's coherence is uncertain at best, but Haelena is the Queen Consort, and thus is much like Alicent was when Viserys was fading! For Alicent what good is surviving without power, subject to the whims of her own uncaring son!
@@Argos-xb8ek Helaena is Queen Consort, not a power but someone with automatic standing. Clearly the show is informing us in as many ways as possible that WOMEN are being cast aside for the sake of male exercise of power. Alicent and Rhaenyra's ONLY recognized worth is them giving birth to sons. And yet, recall Daemon saying to Simon Strong that he should address Daemon properly. Simon Strong says, well I would call you Lord Daemon the King Consort. Daemon protests saying that last bit seems unnecessary. Daemon's only real claim to power comes thru Rhaenyra and his children with her, but only after the line of succession of her children with Harwin Strong. Similarly, Helaena has the title and in fact has a more direct claim to the throne than Aemond so long as Aegon lives, in whatever capacity he is in. That's really the ONLY legitimate avenue of influence Alicent now has while Aemond is regent. That's why she's looking for Otto, she needs help manipulating the chessboard again!
Someone else said it already but I really liked seeing some of the smallfolk *protecting* Alicent and Helaena. It adds to the immersion, in my opinion.
Not trying to doubt u, but I have trouble seeing that(you'll have to show it) Though I imagine it's not that much(as u did say, "some" of the small folk)
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 Oh it's hard to see initially but the easiest one is the guy who grabbed Alicent's wrist. While he did seem aggressive at first, he specifically called Alicent his queen, implying his loyalties at the very least before... Yeah. Another at the top of my head is when Helaena and Alicent are pinned against the wall, if you look closely you can see at least two of the smallfolk trying to shield them before Hightower soldiers/Gold Cloaks show up to get them out. Again, a bit hard to see in the first run but they're there.
Alicent may not be a loving mother, but she is hella protective of her children. The way she was worried for Helaena’s safety before her’s is kinda heartwarming.
Yeah, BUT ONLY TO Haleana, who i think is her favorite…… I mean its kinda obvious that Aegon and Aemond are both suffering mother related issues( Aegon being too pressured by her to be the next “King” and puppet to her and her father and Aemond feeling neglected by her due to her putting most of her focus on Aegon growing up)…….
@@foxyyyyx Yeah….. And Daeron, who she basically didn’t raise since she had him fostered with her relatives back in Oldtown when he was little…… Which according to Alicent’s brother, caused him to develop a much better personality in comparison to Aegon and Aemond🫤👌🙃🐲
@@L2L732Aemond is seeing a whore because he just wants to be held. Aegon was murmuring mommy in last episode. They both need their mother but it’s too far gone. It’s actually very sad. I think she loves her daughter but finds her weird as she has visions or whatever and murmurs seemingly nonsense to them
@@fannishfanning160 they're talking about something in the scene that IS foreshadowing (book readers know) AND THEN the cut on Alicents arm... "AND alicent has a cut on her arm..." no need to be so rude just because you can't read a comment right
I think it would have been cool if Dreamfyre would have felt that Helaena was in danger and showed up to protect her. Would have been a badass way to introduce the dragon plus if she burn some people it would be more reason for the crowd to hate them.
@@Drpavel564 yeah 😂 we saw like few seconds of Aegon with Sunfyre and that was enough to make Aegon a bit more likable. It was a sweet moment seeing him smile and be with Sunfyre
Strange that the Red Keep doesn't contain its own private Sept for the royalty. I mean, they even have the Weirwood during those times, a symbol of other major westerosi religion, so why not their MAIN religion?
@@mtsen771 I believe there is actually a Sept in the Red Keep, near what would be called the Maidenvault (Baelor, if I recall, put his sisters/wife in that vault essentially on house arrest to, and I paraphrase, prevent the world from violating them).
@@HulkVahkiinas you can see, they almost lost their lives. Including some of their guards. When the people turn against their rulers and unite, what will a king or queen do? They will be overrun and dead.
@@krazak2863 They got caught unprepared. If any Targaryen royalty were to take offense to what happened here and decided to burn the city in the middle of the night with their dragon - how many do you think would escape unprepared? The real question is what can the common folk do in this universe? The royalty they fight has dragons. Granted, the caveat to this is ironically that in this story - Dragons were killed by the plot...I mean an angry mob while being chained. In a normal situation, any rebellion would be quelled by the armies and dragons.
Feels kinda funny how Aegon's incompetent hiring of big doofers to Kingsguard has come full circle. They are no better than peasants in a bulk of armor.
@@secondeye1574 It makes perfect sense. The empty slots in the Kingsguard were replaced by Aegon's lackeys/lickspittles. These are the same Kingsguard who went out whoring with Aegon, literally bumping into each other in their armor in 2x4 and looked terrified as hell in front of a naked Aemond. These dolts were exactly the type of people who would panic and attack when faced with a mob.
@@cainyourkids The show is breaking my suspension of disbelief if the idea is they're literal mentally handicapped though. They should be trained in fighting and wielding swords. They lost when there weren't even that way peasants surrounding them.
@@secondeye1574 Again, the issue here is that majority of Aegon's Kingsguard are HIS FRIENDS. Some of them are probably trained knights (such as the elderly one in charge since Cole's promotion to Hand) but many of them are only in their positions because they're drinking buddies with the King. These are the same Kingsguard that went out with Aegon to drink (not even guard, but actually drink WITH him) and whore around. This is what happens when you promote because of friendship instead of skill. "They should be trained in fighting/wielding swords" They absolutely should...except they're Aegon's friends. Even Aegon didn't want to learn how to fight. Lazy attracts lazy.
This is what happens when you dispel the myth that keeps the peasants from thinking you are superior beings who rides dragons. Parade a slain dragon’s head around and the masses think : Huh! so they can bleed and die…we can hurt them…we can kill them. Well Alicent Rheanyra and her children are not the only ones the people can hurt. Glad she’s finding out!!!
@@NewPaulActs17 Cole I believe. I can’t remember whose idea it was from book. It was stupid in both situations. You will see why later. It was a very, very stupid idea.
@@crinklescat1871 That particular event is probably the single dumbest thing to ever happen in any GoT-related media, book or show. Nothing that happens in Season 8 is dumber that what happens during the Storming of That One Place.
Helaena Targaryen will never leave her comfort zone in her rooms in the Red Keep for any reason. She’ll study bugs and raise her child. No more public events. And she shouldn’t have to.
Telling them to sheath their swords is WILD work. Especially AFTER they start attacking. You can’t unring a bell but you can use it to smack anyone trying to keep ringing it.
Yeah but committing a massacre is worse. It's not her fault he's reaping what he sowed. Hell, if those guards just kept MOVING, maybe that would have been enough
Understand that the command itself meant that Alicent was willing to sacrifice the Kings guard members for the sake of preserving the Green's hold on power. The guards were NOT allowed to defend themselves against the mob. Clearly she didn't want MORE townsfolk deaths on her hands or attributable to the Greens, but that meant some of the King guard possibly getting stomped to death.
@@victorpradha9946 This is a stretch. Without the guards she and Helaena would be done for. She merely said it as she knew that escalation would lead to worse outcomes as they are hopelessly outnumbered. That guard also was an imbecile "lickspittle" appointed by Aegon II, and had no real experience in stark contrast to the single veteran white cloak they had with them there.
SPOILER WARNING!!!!! In the books, after the loss of her son, Queen Halaena descends into madness. Out of grief she decides to kill herself and jumps of the window of her chamber and is pierced on the spikes in the moat below. This scene foreshadows her imminent death.
Kings landing during joffrey was worse off. These peasants have been starving for a long time and instead blame Alicent and not Rhaenyra and attack the only decent royal lol.
@@Drpavel564 A long time as in... less than a month. With King's Landing having full access to the Reach for food. In GOT, King's Landing was fully shut off and the war was more oppressive for the Lannisters, at least the smallfolk actually had reason to starve. The smallfolk here should not be starving this much in such a short amount of time, lmao. Even in the book, it took two years for it to get bad enough to revolt. It's just dumbass writing.
The small folk here are under a much more oppressive circumstance. Food from the reach isnt coming int steadily due to some of the reach houses declaring for Rheanyra and crownlands stopping shipments. The blockade by corlys is stopping all sea shipments which is also another factor something that wasnt present in GOT. The situation is much harsher during the dance.
From what I've seen of the Targaryen rules so far they would seem to be far more capable and competent rulers than the Lannisters everywhere. The Lannisters were self-centered sadistic Petty tyrannical narcissist, by comparison
There is another important aspect to mention here, unlike got riot moment, here there are dragons still, if the dare doing something like killing Alicent and Helena, Aemond and vhagar would burn down the entire city... If I was part of these smallfolk I would keep that in mind for sure
is it him that says, "my queen!"? if it is i have a sneaking suspicion he was trying to lead them to safety, and his handlessness is meant to reflect that these unqualified toadies in armour are, well, unqualified and too eager to take to the sword. if not, then... who was it? it might be that guy that becomes so embittered that he becomes the shepherd after suffering this incident, then the misrule of rhaenyra during her half-year stint in the city. "one side took my hand. the other took my heart. these dragonriders can wear whiche'er coloured cloak they choose, they're all the same under the armour. the others take them."
Not really, those three Kingsguards did not sheathe their swords. Even their Lord Commander was yelling at them to stop and he didn't unsheathe his sword NOT *ONCE.*
See the Kings Guard who stayed back and helped Helena on the steps is one of the guys Aegon promoted to the Kings Guard and he was the most mature of the three so i will give him prop's for at least doing his job, he's certianly done a better job of protecting Helena then Cole did.
People often forget that Royals are nothing more than rich fools with nice clothes, fancy hats and funny chairs without the Love and Respect of their people.
@@andrewli6606 this is true, but for the most part I was referring to the Non-Dragon Riding Royals. And even then, take away the dragons and even the Targaryens are just people.
@@DarkWarden041 same as capitalism, we had politicians with necktie rule and huge corporation run this country.. America was the prime example for that
“Long live Rhaenyra, the lady who’s keeping the blockade! We’re starving but I’ll throw some food at the queen who we had sympathy for like 2 days ago after her son was brutally murdered!”
To be fair, I can understand why people might let Rhaenyra off. They've never seen her in person, so its much easier to blame and direct your anger at the person whose feasting right in front of you than the person feasting a few hundred miles away.
It is easier to direct the blame at the ones who are there than a phantom off on another island. The people are starving, but the royal family isn't. they still have their lavish luxuries and are still well fed while the people starve. The people lost sympathy when the ratcatchers were all hanged punishing guilty and innocent alike, then the issue was further compounded as Mysaria said by the fact they paraded Meyles head through the streets and the people saw that as a bad omen. They paraded the dead kid through the streets then paraded a dead dragon head.
They probably don't even know she ordered the blockade. All they know is after the greens took over they've gone hungry, there's been unrest, and dragons can apparently be killed. They aren't happy.
They try to protect and hurt both of them at the same time: the poor bastard who gets his arm cut off is saying "my queen" and is clearly trying to help her to her feet before her bodyguard (understandably) misreads the situation, while several of them actually go out of their way to shield both women when they get trapped before extra guards arrive. Hell, they don't even go for all the guards with the same zeal. If you look on the background they only tackle and maul the ones with their blades out, while the one who keeps telling them to put them away is left mostly undisturbed until we lose track of him.
this comments section will go on and on about how much they hate Alicent, a woman who was made to wed and bear children at a young age. Also note that she herself never felt the compassion of a mother since hers died pretty early. All this hate for Alicent who is just a villain because of the circumstances, meanwhile there are people praising Daemon as if he hasn't done things that are 10× worse 💀
0:21 Smelly fishy situation when Alicent caught the fish with her face, landing on her cheek and almost on her mouth. Even by her expression she most had tasted a bit of it. 0:55 Kind off funny how Helaena runs on that part and jumped. 😂😂
I feel like they would have been safer staying inside the Sept than going out to the wheelhouse. The wheelhouse could have been broken into or set on fire, and they had to travel all the way back up to the castle. The Sept was largely made of stone and would have been harder to breach, and some of the small folk would have been reluctant to attack a holy place.
notice its the kingsguard Aegon put in bc they were friends, not because he was qualified. of course untrained knights would act impulsively and use violence as a deterrent
If you watch closely, the smallfolk were never after Helaena, they were going for Alicent but Helaena just happens to be smack dab in the middle of it.
@@adoboflakes8473 Well, planting paranoia didn't do much anyway, I don't think her kids have it (as much as she do at least). Although she's terrible mother indeed (but for other reasons, I think).
@@adoboflakes8473 Regardless of Otto's motives, it was still the truth and bound to happen one day. Viserys' playing favourites only fostered resentment within his family, and denying his maimed son justice for what was done to him only reïnforced the belief their lives would be at risk at one point.
Thanks to the green team for the fact that every episode some kind of movement happens with them. I'm tired of looking at boiled blacks and Daemon wandering back and forth. 😹
The showrunners seem to be really biased in favor of Rhaenyra. In the books, the smallfolk riot against Rhaenyra for raising taxes and throwing lavish feasts while the realm is starving.
The books aren't meant to be faithful retellings of the events that happened tho 😂 did you even read the books ? It's written from a third person's perspective by a maester that too ages after the actual dance of dragons happened it's a historical retelling and history is written by the victors so it's always skewed
@@Nishanth_mementomori Would've agreed if these were personal slanders. But raising taxes and public riot aren't a POV thing. These things happen in public.
@@sagunrai8689 ohhkay ? So what does that have to do with anything ? We're talking about a fictional show here with fictional characters not real life or real world issues All I said was don't take the books to be the gospel truth they aren't so we don't know what happened and what didn't Don't like the show, don't watch it simply stick to reading the books
@@Nishanth_mementomori Can you really not comprehend layered things or are you pretending? Would’ve provided further points but seems futile if you cannot reply with valid points.
I lowkey feel bad for them because I personally think prayer was one of the last few things they could both take solace in but even that’s been taken away now. Every time they go to the sept from here on out, this will be all they think about.
The books were also written from an extremely biased perspective of Green Maesters who did everything to make Rhaenyra look awful. I'm not saying she was a saint, but she certainly wasn't as bad as they made her out to be.
@@BleedingGrafittiHow do you know this if you're not even sure about the book? It may or may not be true. But the series specifically promotes loving black people. It pisses me off.
@@BleedingGrafitti can you stop spreading this nonsense. there is only one pro-green source in the dance, eustace. the book itself is not in favour of the greens. like did you even read it? the way it describes alicent, aemond, tumbltone battles? enough with the cope. no one made rhaenyra look worse than she did
@@JenndookieYou're upset about something that hasn't happened yet in the show and calling it biased. I think you are just angry because you wanted the show to be biased of one side. I don't see how making Daemon kill his wife is loving blacks or making Daemon have all these dreams for multiple episodes. One of the writers Sara Hess has admitted to not liking Daemon so this disproves that they love blacks. They're actually claiming both sides are responsible. Alicent is way more sympathetic in the show. So is Aegon II. They also removed Alicent from the coup plot as they are saying she didn't want to take the throne by force. They also had her believe that Viserys wanted her son on the throne, making the war a misunderstanding. In the book, she is clearly part of the coup, plotting with the rest. She is also older in the book but the show version they made her younger as they want more of a relationship between her and Rhaenyra. Aemond is seen in the show as accidentally killing Lucerys but he was going to kill him in the books, especially after one of the Baratheon girls shames him for not going after Lucerys and that makes him go after the kid and kill him. I have seen people crying about how the show is either pro-green or pro-black. In reality they're not pro any side. They want to say "war is bad and men are responsible". As you notice women in the show aren't ready to fight like the men are. Some lines have been changed too. You don't have to watch the show if you don't like it though. However most fans of the books have always preferred the blacks, you're in the minority. Most green fans only appeared because of the show. Just like Blackfyre supporters are in the minority compared to Targaryen supporters. Black just has much better characters overall and that's coming from the perspective of the books.
I mean it's more so the writers weren't smart enough lmao, Cersei literally blew up a significant religious building, killed a beloved queen, and yet the common people just forget she did all that and liked her anyway
@simplyawful543 If they had written the people as silent and just too scared to oppose her for fear of wildfire blowing up underneath them (like it happened with the Great Sept), than I'd be more willing to accept that. _But when Euron comes parading Ellaria, Tyene and Yara, the smallfolk are suddenly celebrating as if all is well and they're welcoming a great hero?_ 🤨 *_WHAT?_* Yeah, no, I think they should've followed through with "the smallfolk are terrified of Cersei and wildfire" idea. Heck, to add to that, add huge chunks of the populations just *ABANDONING* the city, in fear of Cersei's madness, which then could lead to her shutting the city gates or something. So many small details that could've added so much more!
is him isn´t? in the books his hand were cut cuz he was a robber or something. though it did look like he didnt want to injure alicent as he call her queen but his hand being cut will make him mad at the royals no matter the side
An scene like this was first showed in GoT and it was so well filmed because it makes you feel like you are there living that, saddly in this scene they couldnt manage to portray the same
Filmed in Girona, Catalonia in the cathedral stairway already used in Game of Thrones season 6, when Jaime demanded the Great Sparrow set Margaery free.
It's honestly so good to see some smallfolk still try to protect Heleana. Yes, it's hard to see, but there. Despite starving, losing family and hope, they don't want to harm the Queen, who they see as seperate to the rest of the Royals. Nonetheless, the riot is also realistic because again, they're starving. Their children are dying.
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 not really. All the a wiki of ice and fire says is he has one arm and is haggard looking. The picture used shows just him as an old man with one hand, and the clothes he wears are similar to the ones he wears here.
You even watch the show dingus Yeah she’s a dreamer but not like she’s gonna say no mom let’s not light a candle because I seen a vision of us getting attacked That’s not how it works 😂😂😂
Good god I HATE how they changed it from the books. Both Alicent and Helaena were deeply beloved by the smallfolk. So how the hell will the storming of the dragonpit go down now?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Yes you're definitely right about that. However it just seems obvious how the showrunners are bias (when you're not suppose to be) they whitewashed the blacks and have vilified the greens in a way that seems obvious they really hate the greens and want to see them humiliated and bashed around. When again, the books did not portray them this way.
