@@hazeinheavenin episode seven rhae said they tried so he’s probably infertile it wasn’t her fault everyone knew he was gay before the marriage it shouldn’t have happened in there first place
The scene between her and Helaena just makes my heart break...knowing what happens later in the dance. I don't think Alicent was a bad mother...just a young girl forced to grow up in a loveless marriage and being treated badly by viserys. I read the books and she's mor malicious but the TV show is making me feel awful for her.
Queen Alicent was a bad mother but you cannot deny she was a good wife for King Viserys. She always took great care of him whenever he was bedridden and never planned on poisoning him since he died of his illness. Even before he was bedridden, she tended to him with such devotion, fluffing his pillows, tucking him in when he took his naps and rested when she could’ve just called for a servant to do all of that for her. She was a genuine loyal wife to Viserys and she most definitely loved him.
Yeah, even on the books, despite being a greedy and manipulative woman (bitch) she loves her children and suffers deeply during the Dance for them, specially Healena.
@@natalianicpon7023every time she has her children when they are babies they are always screaming and crying and she always has this look in her face of not knowing what to do. I don’t think she was a good, caring mother to her children. When she walking in on Aegon pleasuring himself in the window she isn’t shocked or even reviled by it….then her footsie thing with Larys is beyond disgusting and had anyone walked in on that whole scene she could have been executed along with Larys….in fact after Aemond got his eye put out after attacking Baela, Rhaena, Lucerys & Jacaerys and Alicent demanded Lucerys eye in return and King Viserys told her that the matter was finished, she went and grabbed the kings dagger that had originally belonged to Aegon 1st to do the deed herself but Rhaenyra grabbed ahold of her….when she slashed Rhaenyra’s arm she could have had Viserys been a strong king, been put to death for stabbing the named heir to the throne….so Alicent is not by any means this virtuous person…she seduced her supposed friends father, the king on the orders of her father…she may have cared for Viserys but he certainly wasn’t revving her engine shall we say while they were having sex…she just laid there looking at the ceiling while he did his business…hell even Viserys had to put his hand to her face so that she was looking at him and not the ceiling…talk about awkward….but as I said her stabbing the naked heir and her footsie for info games with Larys could have easily had her head removed had Viserys been a stronger king.
She is no Cersei, she is a good woman but her sense of honor and justice is warped , In her quest to make sure that decency would prevail she caused the death of her children , her grandchildren, Rhaenyras children and extinction of dragons!
What decency? She's knowingly assisting in usurping Rhaenyra....a woman who has done absolutely nothing to her. Alicent knowingly married Viserys with the thought of placing Hightower blood on the iron throne. Rhaenyra was her best friend.....and she marries her besties father without her bestie knowing about any kind of relationship between the two?! If that isn't nasty, I don't know what is. That's decency? Cersei Lannister is leagues about Alicent because Cersei could at least be honest with herself. She knew who she was. Alicent hides behind decency and sacrifice without looking in the mirror and understanding she had her own part to play in this. All out of spite and jealousy, again, towards a best friend that has done absolutely NOTHING to her. She's a hypocritical religious zealot. No more. No less.
@@janellejulianajoy she's usurping the throne because the fear of losing her children because aegon has an undisputable claim by simply being the firstborn legitimate male even if he doesnt want the throne and considering that daemon's existing and aemond's losing his eye in driftmark and rhaenyra's children facing no consequences fuels her paranoia and you cant say she is wrong. even in the book she doesnt seize the throne for herself she crowns helaena with her own crown and bows to her. and she had no say for the marriage with viserys. just because viserys gave rhaenyra the golden privilege of choosing husband doesnt mean everyone have a say for theirs.
Yet Daemon never harmed any of her children. She ingrained the hatred her son's had for Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent has been the aggressor in this she and her side at the end of the day usurped Rhaenyra's crown murdered people whose only crime was to nor bow down to their power grab and her son murdered Rhaenyras son starting all the bloodshed that doomed them all and crippled the Targaryens for the rest of their existence. @@hazeinheaven
@@Argos-xb8ek yet he has the power to order a hit her children just like he did on 6 year old baby jaehaerys the only reason who stopped him doing that was viserys and with viserys' death there is no one to hold him accountable because he knows their reality and otto's speech on dragonstone bridge (telling the legitimacy belongs to aegon) made him so annoyed because otto was right. executing people who didnt bow down is justifiable in their point of view you cant just let the lords live after not bowing down otherwise they're gonna go the other side and declare for them. aemond's killing her son was justifiable to me you think why? because this was simply plotting against aegon's crown rather than ''thinking to give up or no'' by sending the envoy they chose to sway the lords for their interest and its called conspiracy. all they had to do was simply thinking about saying yes to bowing down or no.
@@hazeinheavenI’m assuming you’re referring to the Blood and Cheese incident. If so, it’s because Daemon declared “a son for a son” after Luke died, and prior to this, there wasn’t any indication in the books that Daemon wanted to harm the twins, or that Viserys stopped him. The show does a good job of portraying Alicent in a sympathetic light - you yourself mentioned that she was paranoid for her children. In the books, no indication of such paranoia existed to my recollection. There isn’t enough evidence to suggest Alicent didn’t crown Aegon due to greed. Regardless of motive, the catalyst for the Dance of the Dragons is still arguably her. If the dance didn’t start, Lucerys wouldn’t have died, and the Blood and Cheese incident most likely wouldn’t have occurred, and Aegon’s children may still have lived to adulthood.
Olivia Cooke and Paddy are such gifted actors. I forgot it was fiction but, real life royals from the medieval era. If they make 3d version then people will feel as if there's teleported to that place and era.
Her dress in this episode is my favorite look on her, I didn't like the fact that they shortened her hair after episode 7, her curly auburn locks were so beautiful.
2:29 Alicent is angry with Rhaenyra because in Westeros she (Alicent) was doing her duty and Rhaenyra never did. She was angry and sad, because her children were being dismissed by their own father. But when Cole insults Rhaenyra? Alicent is dissapointed with him. She's a spoiled girl, but don't use that tone about her. Before Luke took Aemond's eye, and Rhaenyra didn't demand her son to at leasr apology? That's when that friendship broke
Huh? Their friendship was tarnished the moment she walked into that pre-wedding celebration with the green dress on. Alicent was knowingly calling those boys bastards long before Aemond's eye was taken. There would be NO animosity between these kids if she hadn't filled their heads with hatred. Rhaenyra didn't reach her kids to hate or fear, but Alicent did. Alicent, Otto, etc, made Rhaenyra and her children's lives hell for years before she left and moved to dragonstone. Spreading rumors, etc. The heir apparent moved because the petty queen chose to remain in the bubble of misery her own father placed her in. She's mad because Rhaenyra made the best of her situation as she too didn't choose her own husband. Is it Rhaenyra's fault Otto chose to pimp his daughter off to a man who could never truly love her? I'm sorry...but I just cannot stomach this woman. I do agree with Alicent's reaction to Aemond losing an eye, (personally I would've slapped Luke) and an apology should've been given, however, that animosity is what she taught her own children to have.
Rhaenyra was told that her sons were attacked by Aemond, and she could see that they were also badly hurt, Aemond was a boy twice their age and size, and if he had tried to strangle a 5 year old, obviously they would need to defend themselves. From Rhaenyra's perspective, both the boys had harmed each other badly. Yes, a broken nose is as bad as a lost eye, the kid could probably breathe at half the normal capacity if it was severe. The damages were done and there was no point in apologizing. But Alicent was blinder than Aemond and attacked Lucerys, a 5 year old and would've killed him if Rhaenyra hadn't intercepted her attack.
@@fortheloveofcats2462A 5 year old boy. What kind of vicious person attacks someone first and then when he tries to to defend he cut out his eye. You say he is just a child. If he is vicious enough to cut out another person's eye then he is not a child. Him being 5 doesn't change anything
@@aishahamma334 Lucerys did not atrack Aemond for nothing. Aemond provoked and bullied his cousins, then when they didn't let him insult them, he beat them and broke Luke's nose, and then tried to strangle him. Aemond could've killed Luke if Jace hadn't brought out the knife. Aemond was the vicious person in this story, not the kid who was put in a situation where he was forced to defend himself
@@fortheloveofcats2462He bullied them. Really did you even watch the scene. They started the fight 4 on 1 person .Aemond was the one who was defending himself. He didn't insult anyone
Olivia Cookie is such a beautiful, adorable and sexy woman. She’s a really talented actress too. She was a great choice for Alicent HighTower. Nobody else could’ve done this role like her. You hate her so much but you also don’t blame her for why she did what she did to protect her kids.
I can honestly 100% see Alicents POV , she has three full grown sons that should inherit. But inheritance can be unfair , its how monarchy works- Viserys rightly or wrongly chose Rhaenyra as his heir. Royal bastards have often taken the crown in British and world history- its often a case of fight over right. 🤷♀️
“You may do as you wish, husband, when I am cold in my grave.“ First of all very presumptuous of her to assume it’s her word over his since he’s king. Secondly, she’s lucky Viserys was nothing like Maegor otherwise she would’ve been cold in her grave very quickly.
It's funny how Alicent said dhe was surprised that Rhaenyra's sons were able to hatch their eggs, but it's not the titles or being true born that makes it work. Did she forget that her own children are only half Targaryen like Rhaenyra's? If anything, Rhaenyra's sons have a hair more Targaryen blood than Alicent's since Rhaenyra's mother was of Targaryen blood from her mother, whom was Viserys's cousin while Alicent didn't have a drop of Targaryen blood. Being a bastard has nothing to do with the bond with a dragon. Plus, only two of her children were able to hatch a dragon while the others had to win their dragons. At the time, Aemond didn't even have a dragon. I really don't understand her logic.
the egg is used metaphorically there to indicate that it's a low case for them to be out of wedlock,it's not about how targaryen they are. But the sentence that can be easily misunderstood, I don't think it's unfair to those who can't make sense.
Thats the most retarted concept I have ever seen. Allow me to explain it to you. Alicent has absolutely no idea how the Targaryen Dragons work. She has no idea how Bonding works or anything of the sorts. Alicent is deeply religious ans the Faith of the 7 looks down on bastards, so she thinks that Bastards wont be able to bond with dragons. Rhaenyra has only 75% Targaryen Blood due to Aemma being half-Arryn. Her children however have less Targaryen Blood than they do, having only 35% because they're also the bastards of Harwin. Alicents children have 50% Targaryen Blood, so almsot has much has Rhaenyra has and alot more than her bastards have.
aemond aegon and haelaena all have valyrian phenotypes and are bonded to dragons. aemond bonds with the largest dragon in the world and haelaena is a dragon dreamer. blood percentage obviously means very little.
@P G Not really. Alicent has no Targaryen blood. Only one parent of her children did. Harwin Strong had no Targaryen blood, with one of the boy's parents having Targaryen blood. Both sides had one parent with and one without so have equal blood. Literally the only difference is that look wise, the three sons of Rhaenyra were stronger in their father's blood, just like Laenor and Laena with their father. By how Alicent was seeing it, looks make someone more than actual bloodlines. Being bastards had absolutely nothing to do with whether a dragon will hatch or not.
Rhaenyra having children with another man caused a lot of problems, she decided herself to move to Dragonstone, she didnt feel comfortable in Kingslanding and it was supposed to be her home, i like Heleana she is sweet and kind, the dialogue Alicent has with Aegon shows that he wasnt interested in the throne but she kept on feeling his head like her father did with her, Aemond was so little
i mean what choice did rhaenyra had… she was expected to provide heirs, she and laenor tried but couldnt. laenor knew and accepted all the children as his own. corlys did too. it was the targaryen blood and velaryon name that mattered and all the boys had that
@@malloryw8392 She had the choice of CHOOSING a husband. Remember it is traditionally the father that chooses the husband of their daughters. Rhaenyra chose laenor so that she can be promiscuous. So yea it’s her fault she chose a gay man.
@@malloryw8392 she had lords from all over who would have taken her and she threw a fit. She’s lucky her dad isn’t Tywin lol. In the end she was okay with having a gay husband to have sexual partners while still being married. It’s a horrible plan. That did indeed backfire. So now her children are bastards. And their legitimacy is being brought into question.
I really like Alicent despite what the Black stans say. I think even though she's petty, she's justified in her pettiness. I mean Rhaenyra has illegitimate children and Alicent doesn't. So Alicent's children should ascend the throne.
Doesn’t change the fact that Rhaenyra was the named heir by the KING and not Aegon. Her pettiness is out of jealousy for the life and freedom Rhaenyra has. Whatever happens to them after Rhaenyra retaliates, they deserve every bit of it. They should keep the same energy after instigating chaos.
But Rhaenyra should be disinherited as heir because she committed treason by having illegitimate children with Harwin. And that’s not ok in those times. Plus, all Alicent is doing is trying to protect her children from Rhaenyra since she fears she will kill them if she does nothing. Rhaenyra did want Aemond to be sharply questioned when he called her kids bastards. And that’s another term for torture in that world. And Rhaenyra is married to Daemon and he would most definitely shed some team green blood without remorse. I completely understand Queen Alicent’s motives and shall support team green all the way, even though I also love team black too and are kinda rooting for them.
@@garlantyrell6368 Otto, Alicent, and Criston should’ve been relieved of their posts since they are committing treason for going against the crown and the King and plotting aginst the heir and stealing her throne. Rhaenyra might have had illegitimate children but they have the same amount ofTargaryen blood, if not much more than Alicent’s children since Aemma is half Targaryen as well making Rhaenyra 75% Targaryen and Alicent has NO targaryen blood. Y’all so focused on the bastards as if they’re not Targaryen when the only difference they have is the hair color.
@@garlantyrell6368 Alicent’s paranoia, jealousy, and misdirected resentment for Rhaenyra’s life and freedom is what made her commit her crimes. She was aware how her father pimped her out but she still went with the plan because she didn’t like how Rhaenyra was free to do what she wants and love whoever she wants unlike her who was made to pop out babies by a King who never loved her. She also didn’t trust her friendship with Rhaenyra assuming the worse of her when it was her who went behind rhaenyra’s back to seduce Viserys, she was too hypocrite and self righteous. Just like her father.
@@raf3765 You're completely mistaken. Rhaenyra is 75% Targaryen, but you're forgetting that Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey's biological father is Harwin Strong and he has as much Targaryen blood as Alicent, meaning none. So, in fact, Alicent's children have much more Targaryen blood than Rhaenyra's. Aegon, Aemond, Helaena and Daeron have 50% Targaryen blood while Rhaenyra's children have like 20-30%. Rhaenyra's kids would only have more Targaryen blood than Alicent's kids if Laenor Velaryon was their actual biological father, which he obviously isn't. Like Aegon said, you just have to look at them.
Alicent is that one girl that preachs for good costume, chastity and modesty, and calls out and judges people based on those values, but secretly has a only fans account to make money.
this is the alicent i love and miss!! charming eloquent petty catty smart doesn't let anyone step on her etc 😭i don't like sm how they made her kinda pushover after, i hope she stands up again queen come back your 5 fans miss you she is the best female character ♥
she was a terrible mother she accused justified prompt up and hide the transgressions of her children till an entire family eat in on itself taking chunks of the kingdom they worked so hard to get
Team Black: "Alicent is an evil, manipulative schemer who does nothing but torment Rhaenyra and her children!" Alicent: "Lean forward." (props up pillow so Viserys can sit comfortably)
@@jordanhowe188 Was she supposed to hand over her newborn baby to that feet queen so that she can see him??? If she wanted to see Joffrey she could have come to Nyra's chambers.
@@jordanhowe188 let's not forget that in exchange for her feet she asked Larys to burn the servants. She also taunted and bullied rhae for 10 years. It's like you watched the show through tiktok.
@@bleedingstar0398 It was actually common to present the child to the queen and king. Though of course the mother wouldn't bring them. And especially when there is suspicion of the child being illegitimate or that it could be exchanged, then it is done directly after birth. I understand Rhaenyra didn't want to be separated from her child. I would have answered, the princess is too exhausted to bring the child, but eagerly awaiting the queen in her quaters. Problem solved. 🤷♀️
@@melieflynn-hayes7996 She tried to get her son on the throne to protect her family. She believed Rhaenyra would kill them all and marrying Daemon, the reason she became heir in the first place, didn't help. It was Rhaenyra who gave birth to bastards and tried to give them Driftmark and the Throne. The same thing Cersei did with her filthy bastards. All Alicent did was stay loyal to the Traditions of Westeros which have been followed for 1000s of years and protect her family.
Sure...having a Black character with the same characteristics and personality, with only a change in skin tone, as their book counterparts....influenced how well the show is written?... It's the STORY not the anesthetics. Who needs this explained to them?
@@janellejulianajoy It's not canon and it's obvious pandering to the lowest common denominator in the country. Gender and race obsessed liberals, hellbent on crowbarring their woke gobbeldy gook into everything. There were no black Targaryens in the books. Period. It's ridiculous...
@@janellejulianajoy The story is told through moving PICTURES and the STORY, as written, has nothing to do with "PoC" or liberals' fetish with them. Targaryens are fair skinned and blonde. PERIOD.
