Alien: USCSS Nostromo | Ship Breakdown 

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Awesome break down.

How did it go interstellar? Engines or jump points?

Nice use of the Mass Effect 2 music

The cat was called Jones, no "y" on the end...

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it adds SO much realism though, doesn't it? imagine if, in the far future, RR are building spacecraft engines! SO cool and a great little bit of world-building! plus if their current research into nuclear rocketry is anything to go by, they might actually do that!

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@@commanderlestat r/foundthemobileuser

I wonder how much it cost rolls Royce to be mentioned? Though considering it's current level of business there's no reason to think it won't be successful into the future. Space engines made in Wales haha

And the crew are glorified space truckers.

Yeah, it's up there with Firefly and half the ships in star Wars.

Have you ever seen a volvo truck? Now that's a glorified truck.

A glorified truck with Rolls Royce engines

@@michaelmorton5698 part of Red Frog Freight then

imo it's a tug boat not a tow truck. Same but different in a way that makes more sense.

@@Plasmacore_V Ha ok you win if it feels good to ya.

@@Plasmacore_V tugboats rarely pull ships across the ocean.

@@silentdrew7636 Still more likely than a tow truck. Lol. 😉

@@silentdrew7636 Unless they are Russian ships ;)

Because it was built that way...

@@RadeUeMasq Your made a comment.

If you want to see more about the sets, I watched this video called "The Satire Hidden in ALIEN's Production Design | Making Alien" and it had some fun details and factoids about how they came to such an iconic look.

Makes sence I mean probe we send out today got like playstation 1 hardware since it proven to work and it's quite hard to repair something for us if it's at pluto or something

@@Groza_Dallocort They just got the 50 year old design computers on the Hubble working again remotely, so yeah most space tech is older already proven reliable stuff at least 10-20 years old at launch

Computer tech is particularly vulnerable to cosmic radiation. An incoming high energy neutron or gamma ray can penetrate most spacecraft pretty easily, since the weight optimization of spacecraft design precludes extensive shielding. Any atom hit by the radiation may be ionized or otherwise denatured (fission, etc.). When you look at modern computer chips fabricated on ~10nm fab processes, the "wires" in the chips are only a few dozen atoms wide. If one of them is hit by cosmic radiation, it could destroy that part of the chip. Ceasing function in such a case is preferrable to unreliable operation, which is why pretty much every spacecraft carries multiple backup computers. Incidentally, cosmic radiation due to prominences and stellar mass ejections are a large contributor to the cessation of the US moon landing program. IIRC, a couple of days after Apollo 17 landed on earth, there was a radiation wave that would have baked the astronauts like a TV dinner. Everyone kind of looked at each other in awe realizing that radiation waves came in that intensity and then started wondering how they would be able to protect the astronauts. (Shuttle flights were close enough to Earth to be shielded by the Earth's magnetic field, ditto for the ISS.)

Well, like the Prometheus was a state of the art, small research vessel, designed to observe, analyze, scan, and perform laboratory and stellar observatory and cartographical functions-On research and exploration missions. Hence the state of the art tech, computers, displays. Whereas the Nostromo needed to be vastly overpowered, durable, tough, and simplistic and self automated in its function. It was operated by a skeleton crew, most of the loading was likely automated and machine powered. And no one could be expected to make major repairs in transit Thus, it was built simply from the operators point of view, for day to day crew activities-Simple displays, simplistic computer interface. But overall durable, nearly unbreakable, with redundant key systems. The fusion reactor wasn’t going on the fritz mid-trip.

or maybe the movie was made in the 1970s

Jonesy was the ships Rodent Population Control Officer - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@hoojiwana The UK has a Mouser In Chief for 10 Downing Street.

Cats are essential.

And the cat outlived them all. Jonesy was the real winner in the end.

I mean, lets face it. Its clear that Jonsey is the odd character out. He's in charge of vermin control, yet never alerts the crew at the xeno, not even offering to help track down the creature. Jonsey helped lure Brett into the cargo hold, and spend LONG periods of time, cleanly enough time to tell the Xeno about the escape craft, and the self destruct system. How else could the xeno know to leave and wait for Ripley?

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That's 70s. The post Star Wars ILM revolution where space movies stopped looking hokie and just started looking straight up real.

Wait, do you mean 2080? 😉

@@3Rayfire Sorry - there is nothing 'hokie' about USS discovery - in Kubricks movie 2001 Space odyseey 1968. Thats beyond real. Example - The astronauts ipads and the 'computer graphics' (artwork animation) apparent on the large flat screens on odyseey now look way more convincing to modern eyes in 2021 than the 16bit graphics displayed on old school cathode ray tubes of the nostromo. Or indeed anything in Star Wars. Star Wars itself owes more than just passing debt to 2001 - it was straight lifted from 2001 (including same effects teams and workshops) but then implemented in a pulpy and less realistic way - but one that I admit suited the genre of space opera.

@@bbbf09 I agree, and keep forgetting that set the standard first. Not that Kubrick should go into categories with others. But 2001 didn't alter the trajectory of sfx the way Star Wars did, even though it looked better.

Intelligent life was a corporate level requirement hidden behind the obvious maritime distress signal response. I'm pretty sure it was just chosen for brevity vs ignorance because you could spend quite a lot of time unraveling the reasoning behind their orders to investigate.

The screens i actually like, because it reminds me of basically any ship i have been on. Where most screens still don't look like modern stuff. Since its not really something that is that important. Now i would like more civilian ships to be more what we think of as high tech

Pretty sure Nasa still uses computers like that.

People think the equipment looks dated today, but it’s probably more true to form. Space travel isn’t safe. Modern computer technology would not endure the stresses of space. So, everything would have to be beefed up and very durable so you’d not risk failure during flight.

Am I crazy? Haven't watched in awhile, but I could have sworn they said it was in the contract that they had to check out any unknown signal as potentially alien. EDIT: just double checked and yes, it's "any systematized transmission of possible intelligent origin." So they weren't in the dark they might have to investigate "alien" signals.

Really puts the size of the refinery into perspective as it dwarfs the Nostromo

@@d3m0n54in7 That refinery should have a measurable and maybe even meaningful gravity. Maneuvering it within a star system would be all kinds of fun.

To be fair... The Nostromo IS pretty small as far as interstellar ships go. It's a wee itty bitty baby.

@@EksaStelmere An itty bitty boat? I don't believe it.

@@Sakhmeov Has a lot to do with the fact that, in space, the outer layer scales only with the square. This means you only need A portion of the armour necessary to protect a much larger volume. That alone means bigger is always better in space. Now look at interstellar distances plus the fact that it has a refinery. You need room for reaction mass, room to allow efficient heat management, then room for all the resources to get it all moving. 'Course, no clue how FTL drives work on heat management (the biggest issue in space).

Ash: violently sweats milk

Ian Holm said to hate milk. Was he?

True. Ash uploaded into the mainframe

@@Joshua_N-A Apparently, Ian Holm got violently sick from ingesting some of the spoiled milk/yogurt product that the special effects team used for his fake android blood. Yuck!

@@arcturionblade1077 That was, actually, Lance Henrickson who got sick, in the second film.

Apart from the artificial gravity... But yes, both Nostromo and Sulaco are in the league of their own.

As sideways said. Practical maybe, but they lack artificial gravity. Crews inside those ships clearly have downward g-forces, but the ships aren't spinning. Which kind of totally makes your argument quite flawed. They can't be believable when they quite simply are unbelievable.

Don't forget the clear glass touchscreen. It's everywhere, really. And they look fragile. Space need something rugged at least.

True. I do kinda understand how they are justifying it in the prequels, those being cutting edge state of the art interstellar ship's, not everyday hauling ships where having a low running and maintainace cost is higher priority that being the best for doing to jobs. But the cramped and rugged aesthetic really feels like the interior of a ship, whilst the prequels have load of very open areas which aren't as shipy.

Yeah. 100% agree.

@@Joshua_N-A Seen SpaceX? Touch screen spacecraft!

@@earthb67 I don't think those are just some regular glass. It's like something that regular people couldn't get easily and Elon likely to have those things designed in-house.

Yes, until i watched this video I thought the same. I learn something new every day seemingly.

@Gregory Dahl Tesla/Yutani model Q lol

@Gregory Dahl did you check it out? It’s literally what they used!

"The pre production work that went into this movie was astonishing." Absolutely and it shows in the two movies that use this source material (Alien 1 and 2), aswell as in the game Alien Isolation. I really dont get why the modern "Alien" movies try to strafe so far from the originals, it just doesnt work and misses the entire feeling of what makes Alien "Alien" (I cringed when I saw the flatscreens and holograms in Prometheus, didnt feel at all like an Alien movie).

What's the book called?

@@johnathonyoung4799 I think it was called “filming the future” and was mostly about blade runner. I might be wrong because it’s been a really long rime and because I’m basically a hoarder it’s lying in a crate somewhere. But the actual names involved with the initial alien movie include Syd MeAde, Ron Cobb< Chris Foss and Jean jirac moebius as well as various other utter legends of science fiction design and illustrations hope this helps…

Also, clear glass touchscreens are everywhere in today's sci fi shows. Where's the privacy in that? They look fragile too. I'd rather have something rugged as this is space travel.

Pretty much. It's like thinking sharks are villains somehow. No different.

You are aware that xenomorph just means Alien in greek right?

The real villain was the face hugger, for hooking up then never calling

Do you really need to watch a couple of times to realize that? :

The kitty deserved it.

Kitty was chillin it up back home as the oldest cat alive.

Just saying what?

@ArmyJames Well everyone else died or was horribly traumatized. Jones was a lucky kitty.

@@williamrendfeld3027 Ah OK. 👍

I think that's what everyone thought.

you know alien shows that Microsoft got beat out be a simple GUI OS by someone else scary isn't it?

What do you mean by "less lifeless"? Or are you talking about "Aliens"?

@@getsideways7257 Their delivery is a little monotonous, but it's becoming more animated over time. Cool accent and very clear speaking, tho.

@@mattp1337 Ah, you were talking about the channel.

Yeah. Daniele had a way of delivering data dumps in a way that made it all sound cool. This guy started off making cool things sounds sleepy. I’m not trying to bash this new dude. I just missed the way Daniele delivered lines.

True, true.

I second that sentiment

Yeah, cover the JMC Planet Crackers, please!

With how Visceral met its fate still remembered by gamers, I would politely refuse the offer of boarding the hypetrain even if it's for free.

The Death Star wars a hodgepodge of plastic models on ping pong tables lol

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I think a more amusing part is that the escape shuttle is also one...

Wery well it is. Space has SO MUCH BIG distances to reach almost something, that you actually has less time in your life than passing it in your STL speed.

And the Falcon is missing a bathroom, lmfao!

@@merafirewing6591 I keep forgetting that those get forgotten. Good point. I'm sure it's somewhere.

It Blade Runner 2049 Retcons Aliens back too 2079 old timeline we going to need too take 100 years off everything in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Dates 2022 Blade Runner timeline, I have a vague suspicion Avatars date wrong as well? 2054 not 2154, Bet you didn't see that coming. I keep doing it just too see if anyone twigs?

yeah they fly the shuttle like a drunk man and two apes are flying it

But what's the name of 2nd shuttle?

Ridley Scott was a Conrad fan. That's why.

@@Dushess Salmacis

It Blade Runner 2049 Retcons Aliens back too 2079 old timeline we going to need too take 100 years off everything in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Dates 2022 Blade Runner timeline, I have a vague suspicion Avatars date wrong as well? 2054 not 2154, Bet you didn't see that coming. I keep doing it just too see if anyone twigs?

1 was a driod

@@lawrenceschneider5637 Yeah but the crew didn't know that. And it might not have been the case on every ship of its class.

@@lawrenceschneider5637 Great point! Perhaps that was an Easter egg / clue and normal ships compliment was six.

On a ship like that, it's as safe bet that anything that goes wrong will likely take out all or most of the crew.

Seems like it has been fitted in almost multipurpose ship role

Uhh, I don't think SC needs to put more time into doing even MORE detailing for their ships, at least until subsystems are properly implemented

it's more about Method than anything, CIG already do a lot of this method ship building, but they will need to adapt it to the social aspects of the game to be truly successful in the long term, the way communication in game works is trash needs to be overhauled, and I really do belief a VR version of the game that allows VR players to play rolls in the verse that doesn't even involve ships. Like my vision of what star citizen is slowly becoming is totally taking time but so worth it.

@@Maddock_ for some reason new contents like ships are presented as advertisements. Wonder Weyland-Yutani market their starships like that.

*cough cough, Star Citizen Reclaimer ship has entered the room...

you are short sighted bruv the market is all going VR by 2030 you don't follow the technology trends, people will be earning money in virtual jobs at this point. if lock downs don't stop then you'll expect this, it's nothing new it's been planned for many many years. it's just injecting another level of reality to the process that can be taped off and quarantined. but you're right CIG is suffering from lack of direction right now.

a sea tug actualy

@@anuvisraa5786 Buddy, the Nostromo literally has a fifth wheel. Tugs don't tow stuff across oceans. Neither analogy is perfect since it's a space craft, but a crew of long-haul truckers in a tractor trailer

@@Stukov961 man i am a merchans oficer and have work on suply vessels towing oil rigs. that is exactli what the nostromo is doing

@@Stukov961 there are oceangoing tugs

@@anuvisraa5786 Not very know all that stuff, but Nostromo is a long-range commercial cargo unit. SO, you still know it better.

Yep, but thats how the movie spells it! - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@hoojiwana I know. I'm saying the art dept on the movie messed up.

@@bbaker4117 Tbh I wouldn't put it past Weyland-Yutani to try and sell insurance to a xenomorph.

I've read a silly little fanfic where a xenomorph hive manages to communicate with humans. Within a few weeks of first learning to understand english the aliens are already utterly disgusted with W-Y :P.

@@nicksterj Merriam-Webster are all communists, so they aren't to be trusted.

I'm still here! There's just two of us now. If you check out the video prior to this one it's me. - Dan

@@Spacedock Oh well, glad to know you're still there! Keep up the awesome work !

it survived beyond the end. Hell, it's possible that it outlived Ripley... doubtful but possible.

There has to be a HFY short story where the human boards a ship or station, looks around and says "Nope. I've seen this movie." And goes right back to their cabin... You know, the one with air ducts that allow nothing larger than a fingernail to pass through and are capped off with molecular shredders for anything larger than an oxygen, nitrogen and water molecules.

@@shawarden I'd read it! It sort of reminds me of that scene from Galaxy Quest where Gwen (also Sigourney Weaver, ironically enough) encounters the hallway with the chompers. Gwen: "What is this thing? I mean, it serves no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway. No, I mean we shouldn't have to do this, it makes no logical sense! Why is it here? Jason: Because it's on the television show. Gwen: Well forget it! I'm not doing it! This episode was badly written!

@@ericfleming5522 Perfect chance for a "it's for security." It's the unwelcome MAT. The, what? Studies have shown that they are most unwelcoming to Murderous Alien Types

@@shawarden Btw, reasonable not-bug airducts is key. But such thing as that xeno just has BEEN created for such operations. It is a truly mass hestruction bio-weapon. You can remember Predators, since I heard about a theory, they especially modified this specie to be ideal killers and they using it as lions on ancient Rome arenas. Btw we don't know much about it.

It Blade Runner 2049 Retcons Aliens back too 2079 old timeline we going to need too take 100 years off everything in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Dates 2022 Blade Runner timeline, I have a vague suspicion Avatars date wrong as well? 2054 not 2154, Bet you didn't see that coming. I keep doing it just too see if anyone twigs?

You never seen "Aliens"? That's where Sulaco comes from originally (the second movie).

@@getsideways7257 I know, but in Colonial Marines, Wayland Yutani transformed the Sulaco into a research ship (more like a breeding vessle) for Xenomorphs.

@@aswissarmyrabbit I'd say it's best to pretend that nothing past "Aliens" ever happened (ok, "Alien 3" wasn't exactly horrible). All those other movies and especially the games are merely fanfics at most.

@@getsideways7257 I took the Sulaco as second example because I couldn't think of any other spacecraft which fulfilled the category I was trying to give examples for.

It Blade Runner 2049 Retcons Aliens back too 2079 old timeline we going to need too take 100 years off everything in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Dates 2022 Blade Runner timeline, I have a vague suspicion Avatars date wrong as well? 2054 not 2154, Bet you didn't see that coming. I keep doing it just too see if anyone twigs?

Ironically, if Ash were willing to out himself as an android, and they trust the backup cryotubes; 2 shuttles could carry six crew. (Probably not safe for Jones to ride in anyone's tubes)

Any ideas what the 2nd shuttle was called

@@Lemonhead209 Salmacis - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@jedigecko06 best bit is, if you read some of the additional Aliens books, you find that Ash survived (in a way) by uploading himself into the Narcissus flight computer. He is the actual reason Ripley wasn't found for so long, he turned off the ships beacon, and went looking for another Xenomorph. It wasn't until he found one that the ship was found. But that's another story and telling it would need major spoilers. Suffice to say, Ripley ended up back aboard the Narcissus and back in cryo sleep without Ash in the systems anymore, but the beacon was still disabled and the ship floated slowly through most of human space for years. What should have been 6 weeks ended up as decades all because of Ash.

Wonder what's the fuel consumption of that thing. Ace Combat 6 air carrier needs what, like 6 to 8 air tanker to refuel.

@@Joshua_N-A from what ive heard its got an onboard nuclear reactor much like the navy submarines

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