Stargate: USAF Prometheus | Extended Ship Breakdown 

I've been thinking of a scenario. And I want your opinion. Who would win; a borg cube full of Borg, or Lord Vader Star destroyer? If you'd like, you can make a video of it.

Hammond had 2 stars wasn't he a major General not lt.general

Imagine designing a ship based on upside down kok dik

That’s a Nice ship

I love your channel do you know the game, Nebulous fleet command? So nice it has vibes like your audio drama and the expanse

Yup. Unlike today's shows where they pull stuff out of their arses. They created their lore and technology as they go.

They really nailed a very fine line between long-form plots where you have to watch every episode, in order, just to know what's going on, and a completely detached, episodic format where the adventures are mostly just loosely-connected short stories. Stargate had it both ways: most episodes are kind of one-offs that someone new to the series can jump into it almost wherever they want, but there is enough continuity for fans who are more invested to tell where almost any given ep fits into the overall timeline.

@@N1lav rewatch Stargate(starting with the movie) and you'd lose those pink nostalgia glasses. A lot of techs are one episode gimmicks that never reappear even(or rather especially because) if they would resolve the problem of new episode.

@@tba113 every season had a central plot that around half the episodes moved forward well the other half where stand alone. Mostly a big bad every season Apophisis season 1, Anubis season 6, the ori season 9 Adria and the Ori invasion season 10 etc etc.

@@TheArklyte They deal with that diegetically: Area 51. There are several episodes where they actually go into that, bringing back some of those "OP" tech devices showing them being stored / tested / reverse engineered at Area 51. I think the biggest and perhaps only example of an OP tech that really gets swept under the rug is the Zat's 3rd shot disintegrate feature. But that was introduced early in the show before they even knew if they'd have a show. They hang a comedic lantern on it in later episodes.

I remember. As it came out of the hidden hangar, it just kept going. It was a great reveal.

I’d like it as a personal ship if it was a thing tbh

Even with the whole it's like a naval ship as they haven't quite advanced enough or tested enough

It's chunky. It's inelegant. It feels exactly like something the navy/airforce WOULD build, and while it is outgunned it isn't helpless, and while there is a technology gap it's... surprisingly small, and mostly being a matter of powerplants, with humanity squeezing what they can out of such a small power core due to ditching the ostentatious 'temple ship' concept and going for something more reminiscent of a submarine.

@@singletona082 it is a brute force solution to an immediate problem. You can see some of the refinement in the Daedalus class, but even that is still brute force. If they were to have an off world shipyard, then they could actually do the refinements to the designs and make bigger and better ships to take on all challengers.

@@hokutoulrik7345 Indeed. It's ugly. Inelegant. However it absolutely feels RIGHT designwise.

Indeed!

What does the BC stand for?

@@jaystarr6571 battle cruiser

@@k.a.p.x3642 thx.

Absolutely. Second to that, for me, is the destruction of the Defiant on DS9.

And a lesson on having proper damage control... "...We need to bypass this circuit! Rather than have a competent team already on hand to do it, let's waste several minutes clambering down from the bridge so we can get to fix it ourselves!"

It might be one of your favorite ship-destruction scenes, but it still ranks low on the realism scale. The concept of a ship exploding when destroyed is based on wooden sailing ships with gunpowder magazines being detonated by fires. A spacecraft would not behave that way. It would crack apart and experience local depressurization blowouts, but even with nuclear weapons onboard it wouldn't explode, because nuclear weapons only explode when intentionally detonated in a very specific way -- haphazard explosions nearby won't do the trick. Having said that, the only realistic ship-destruction scene I've ever seen was in Firefly when the IAV Dortmunder destroyed a private ship that had been overrun by Reavers. Everyone else goes for the Big Kaboom for visual entertainment.

@Shawn Elliott they have Naquada and its even more unstable cousin variant. Which for the Naquada was built into every part of the ship and the MK VIII and IX on board would blow up because of the enhanced nature using unstable minerals.

@@deusexaethera Considering that the beam hit right in the section with missile pods, I'd say the big boom which separated the ship was plausible.

The planed third SG1 movie was about the gate network going public

I think there was Talks for a New stargate series made by amazon. But i'm not sure.

@ Quinn, nice piece you have written. I'm sad we never got to meet the Furlings.

There’s a fanfiction story that crosses Stargate with the original XCOM game (by original I mean the one made in the 90s, not the remake). In it there’s a mention of a BC-305 (or 306, can’t remember) laying waste to the Aschen homeworld in an alternate future. The ship appears to use much of the tech discovered in both galaxies (including being powered by that system-destroying reactor McKay tried to tame) because the Aschen were being… well, the Aschen. This time it was the Aschen sending a message back to tell their past selves not to fuck with XCOM

BC-404 not found! Just kidding.

Would it look like an aurora class or more like destiny? I always like the look of the Asuran cruiser, the one that looks like a puddle jumper on steroids, looks so menacing and mean. A 306 could be modeled after atlantis but then there'd be a risk of falling into the same trap as the goa'uld, taking everyone else's technology,

@@t3h51d3w1nd3r i don't think it will be like Atlantis. And to remember Goaulds technology was disregarded mostly after getting Asgard Tech. And now they have Atlantis database for research. It will be more like Ancient-Asgard mix of tech with constantly increasing ancient part in it. And i feel more like towards Destiny military design since city isn't really required now. Earth is in dare need of fleet, not in flying cities. It's not like StarTrek "We will bring peace" more like ordinary "We will make peace... Believe me you better to...!"

I think the other 30x ships would be more specialized designs. Both the 303 and the 304 are do-anything battlestar-like capital ships that could act as carriers, duke it out with other capital ships in a slugfest, transport cargo, personnel, etc... but after the success of the 304, Homeworld Command doesn't really need another one of that type, at least not for a while. So the 305 might be a smaller cargo / troop transport, kind of like the Tel'tak (but of course armed with at least a few railguns and better shields, because it's a Tau'ri ship after all). The 306 might be a dedicated carrier with an enormous through-deck hangar capable of carrying dozens of fighters (and maybe even the aforementioned 305 could fit inside) but somewhat lighter armaments than the 304. 307 might be a destroyer, kind of like Homeworld Command's version of the Defiant. Basically a pair of Asgard plasma beams (and some railguns and missiles) strapped to an engine. 308 could be a bomber / gunship specifically for supporting ground troops in situations where sending a 304 would be overkill. And finally the 309 might be a human-made puddlejumper (of course armed with A2A and A2G missiles and railguns, without retracting engine pods, and built with a shield). Possibly with a swappable mission module in the back. Then when they have a full array of vessels, they can start pushing upgrades to these in the 31x series (with the 311 being a Tau'ri needle-threader, and the 313 maybe a dedicated missile cruiser with extended missile magazines instead of hangars).

@ this numbering "scheme" completely ignore US air numbering precedent (cargo ships gets a C prefix, fighters get F, bombers get B, attack aircraft get A; multi-role planes get a two-character combination), and *REALLY* ignores Navy ship numbering.

And the lessons learned showed in the daedalas class ships.

@@singletona082 ehm... no, no it didn't. Daedalus class operated solely on plot armor with "Asgard gave us all their tech and then killed themselves off because writers didn't want to use them further". It didn't fix either of drawbacks I've mentioned. Prometheus had excuse for that, Daedalus and ships that followed it didn't:(

@@TheArklyte The asgard dying off that way made no sense. They could go to an older DNA body? For that matter the concept of copy of a copy makes no sense.

@@icecold9511 the dumbest part isn't just their pointless mass suicide, but that for Atlantis writers ignore it and reintroduce Asgard in the form of "completely new and original, do not steal" Vanir for a short plot "reveal" just like they do with Goa'uld remnants/splinters all the time.

@@singletona082 to elaborate further on what I've said, Daedalus can't be a good: 1)battleship since hull form didn't change. There are a lot of blind zones, the hull is not optimized for reserve systems and they are too afraid to invest tech into their main armament ie ICBM sized torpedoes. Irl ICBM has higher budget priority then even the best fighter plane. In Stargate they don't equip their torps with either shields or hyperdrives. Which leads to dumb situations like in Atlantis; 2)carrier because it has very small strike craft complement, lacks specialization of said strike craft into scouts, fighters, bombers, attackers and interceptors, lacks expanded crew quarters and training facilities, lacks onboard production facilities to produce ammo and components for strike craft, lacks an ability to rearm and refuel strike craft on the fly or outside ie tankers, doesn't have secondary flight control bridge; 3)support vessel/FOB because it lacks extended shuttle bays, lacks shuttles that would allow to lift cargo and vehicles, lacks onboard Stargate to connect to SGC for resupply, lacks space for vehicles and extra crew. Daedalus fixed nothing. It remained "jack of *no* trades", but this time without excuse.

kinda like in the movie "Sunshine" a ship designed to travel to the surface of the Sun was named Icarus.

Hell yeeees! I knew the Greek connection, but the metaphorical middle finger is straight-up awesome!

I can't believe I never made that connection!

WHY NOT?!

@@spartan078ben because the navy already have that one

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Seconded. New series should have the USS Pendergast

I think the fact that the other major nations being in on the secret helped a lot with that. Covering for each other when needed.

@@dawgman6654 Man, that just expands the number of people 'in the know', making it even harder to keep it secret.

Brad Wright, writer and producer of SG-1, actually wants to address this. He says that one of the ideas he has for a new Stargate series (assuming Amazon greenlights it) would involve the Gate being public knowledge.

Indeed!

well thats the thing though, despite everything earth never actually took down the goa'uld. it was the replicators who defeated them in the end.

They definitely didn't earn anything which is one thing I hate about the show. How do you go from a bunch of people barely capable of going to the moon to owning God-like technology in less than 20 years?

Look at what fuels technological advances, war. War is the best source of technological advance. They also had help from more advanced races to boost their program along. ​@Imaboss8ball

i prefer the ha'tak but all stargate models have been out of stock

@@AgentK-im8ke I've been trying to buy the Ha'tak in Europe (where I'm from) and I don't think it's ever been in stock. So today I asked the support on any ETA, but they didn't know anything. I know there are some models on etsy but most are really expensive or uncoloured 3d prints.

@@lordjuhca I’m from EU too it was in stock but but no longer

@@AgentK-im8ke Welp. I hope it comes in stock some day :)

@@lordjuhca yep me too

They designed and build a functional prototype of an FTL starship in less than a decade, and depending on when they started with the development either less than eight (movie) or less than five years (Season 1 of SG1). And they did so in secret, until the NID tried to steal it. (I'll never buy the "rogue agent" excuse they gave. Every operation of "rogue agents" was fully supported by them) That's less time than it takes to built a Geralt R. Ford-class aircraft carrier! (And that was "just an update" to the already existing Nimitz-Class)

@@Tezunegari Yes, but while some components were outsourced, the construction of the Prometheus itself was kept in-house. Cut out the capitalist middle man and you can save a lot of time and money ;) Nevermind the possibilities for construction to be accelerated using some of the advanced alien tech they'd reverse-engineered. Also, it's entertainment, I'm not gonna fault them for speeding up a construction timeline to give the fans something cool.

@@pufthemajicdragon The US military heavily relies on the capitalist middle men because it has no in-house capabilities. The whole military industrial complex exists for a reason. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the US, once motivated enough, could pull it off. Really, the implication is that they have really good vetting processes (except perhaps the NID with all those rogue agents).

Or the skorpion (scorpion?) asault ship. I love that thing. Its pretty much a human made puddle jumper

Oh definitely. I'd go for less fighters for the 303 but more weapons more in line with a destroyer. I mean above the hangar you could fit plasma beams, one above and one below each side and forwards you could fire 4 simultaneously. Lots of firepower. Was gutting to see the Prometheus go down 😢

Yup, then the 304 is 732 meters

@@stargatecommand714 Exactly. I did a whole thing about it that BaronDestructo shared all over the place. But no one wants to hear it lol

Show runners confirmed this too

@@Spinobreaker oh, it's you!

Reverse-engineering someone else's tech and then figuring out how to make it with our own materials and sciences and manufacturing is still a product of human engineering...

@@pufthemajicdragon they couldn't make it work the asgardians had to give them a hyperdrive and they gave them Shield technology as well. But I have to admit that humans were able to reverse-engineer it so I guess it is sort of our engineering prowess but none of the technology was created by humans

The sublight engine technology was purchased from the planet Hebridan in exchange for a Stargate. No need for research-- they even had the manuals translated into our language. *O'Neill:* _(looking over the book)_ That's not our language! *Carter:* It's _mine,_ sir.

@@BogeyTheBear 😆

Yeah, they're using the Space Marines DoW theme for the whole video (kinda fitting)

I guess THQ are not going to claim copyright 😏

Still, they had Daniel mispronounce the name Myrddin the entire time.

Star Wars: "I thought that was just a legend!" Star Trek: "This would make a great holodeck novel! Stargate: "Well-- they don't watch _The Simpsons._ Or drink beer."