All Cards On The Table | The Crown (Claire Foy, Matt Smith) 

Divorce should always be an option

@@DavisJ-ln6fw Otherwise you end up with Daemon Targaryen and his divorce rock

I don't know why he wasn't given HRH and Prince titles and styles from the beginning as he was born royalty (HRH) and born a Prince in his own right. I understand they made him to renounce those titles and his allegiance to Greece and Denmark, but honestly that should've been the only thing he should've had to renounce and cut ties with, not his birthrights of HRH and Prince.

@@kelseyk530 Beacuse those titles if he kept them ment the UK monarch had a claim to more thrones outside the UK which very expensive business trying to claim them again. Best of Renouncing them so the new Duke of Edinburgh can focus on living with his wife the Queen here and serving the UK public. Not claiming what had already been lost.

​​@@kelseyk530there's whisper that Prince Harry is considering becoming a U.S citizen. For that he will have to renounce everything. It's the Duke of Windsor all over again minus the Nazi ordeals. But I agree. I've only started watching the Crown, and Philip gave up everything to be with Elizabeth. Prince, Royal titles, career, his adopted surname Mountbatten, Clarence House which he made his and his family a home. I cried for him. I don't think Philip or Elizabeth thought that she would be Queen so soon and that's why he had such a hard time adjusting. Matt is doing an outstanding job of portraying Philip. I also agree that the Queen Mother was not very nice behind the scenes.

@@kelseyk530 From what I have read elsewhere, Philip's renunciation might not have been necessary because he was a descendant of the Electress Sophia of Hanover (anyone who has a claim to the British Crown is descended from her). He would have been subject to the Sophia Naturalization Act (automatic UK citizenship). George VI thought he had granted HRH status to Philip on his wedding day. Charles was elevated to Prince of Wales shortly after his mother succeeded--as a result, he outranked Philip. Elizabeth solved that by giving Philip precedence over all men (there are a few exemptions for the Prince of Wales).

It's not real

And very supressed emotions.

...its a scripted tv show....

They both know matters are too serious for tantrums.

@@ndantona92 We're aware, thanks.

Charles would not pull rank on his father. He respected and I believe was scared of Phillip as well. As a child, it would have been a father and son relationship.

What did he have that he 'gave up' . He was a scheming character less gold-digger. And those creatures don't get respect.

@@Wearealltogether1428he gave up his career he loved. That’s a pretty big sacrifice to make

@@startracker5895 Lol....he was very well aware of the fact that he is getting married to future monarch. What was his expectations?? To get an entirely sponsored luxury lifestyle for nothing?? People are so entitled in their dumbness

@@Wearealltogether1428 he didn’t realise the king would die so young. All the while the king was alive he could keep his naval career.

He gave up everything because he saw something better opportunity.

It doesn't mean he has to be treated with disdain by The Firm. He and Prince Albert had that problem. Both foreigners, married regnant queens and had little power. Queen Victoria at the least gave Albert the run of the palace just to keep him busy and he did a good enough job. What did Philip have? Not much. No Greek & Danish title, gave up citizenship, gave up navy career. He couldn't even give his own children his name. She eventually remedied that after Churchill died. Sometimes in a marriage you have to compromise. Queen Victoria did that with Albert. Elizabeth II did the same with Prince Philip.

He knew he would never be king. His mother had been born in Windsor castle. Bith he and Queen wrre great, great grandchildren of Victoria and Albert so they knew the rules.

He knew he wouldn’t be “king” since before they even married but he should’ve been granted the title of prince in the UK.

She was the monarch, deal with it. He knew what he was getting into when married her.

​​​​​​​​@@omi685 and Diana knew what Diana was getting into even though she was only 19. Both her mother and grandmother warned her about getting into the royal family. Diana ignored their warnings and wanted to become Princess of Wales. When anything went wrong Diana would just blame Charles. How convenient for "lady" Diana. Be it a grown man or a 19 year old there are certain institutions that you must go with because they won't go along with you! "Things" are already set up such as traditions, customs and norms. The Duke of Windsor, Wallis, Philip, Margaret, Diana, Fergie, Andrew, and all the others that "have their own minds" should think not twice but three times before they get into that special way of life at Buckingham Palace. I'm guessing that these "royal rebels" usually don't survive if they are going to be this self serving for their own egos and pride. Look at Harry and Me-gain or is it Me forfeit? 😮 Megan Markle once stated that she didn't want to be Cinderella - that was too boring - she wanted to be "a rebel princess". Megan didn't even make it that far - I think she made it to duchess. For the very few occasions she returned to England even the shallow Megan knew she was being put off to the side. Rebels think they will go down in history but in most cases they seem to just GO DOWN. And yet there is a small part of me that feels for them...

@@omi685he was the Queen’s husband. He deserved at least some respect.

So bizarre. A title pulled out of thin air signifying nothing, now it suddenly makes him worthy of respect. Shows what a farce the whole thing is.

@@remycallie the kings were also mere titles at the early stages and yet they command respect. Words, Titles have power some ore than other.

Yes and the Queen Mother was the power behind the throne of her husband. She and Philip butted heads because they both wanted / expected to control Queen Elizabeth.

I noticed the Royal homes use old fashioned furniture curtains,etc so it looks dark.they don’t seem to have curtains open and lights like modern homes

Think they might be on Britannia

I was just thinking the same thing. 😁

Divorce is what should be the final solution, when it is 100% sure that the marriage is hopeless ala Charles and Diana. When cheating, abuse and related happens is when divorce is the clear answer.

Elizabeth decreed that the family name was to be Windsor. The option of Mountbatten-Windsor was also given. IIRC, Anne signed the marriage registry for her first marriage with that.

You’re a Queen and your husband isn’t as important as you? That’s dope! Not even joking!

No one "put" Phillip there. He simply was there by the fact that he was a prince consort and not a regnant king. Charles was the heir to the throne.

But he gave up all those titles to mary her. At this point, he was just the Queens husband. In a time when men were expected to be in charge, he was just a husband.

​@@95DarkFire But the fact was that the Greeks were oushing out their monarchy. Prince Phillip's marriage to the Queen enabled him, with Lord Mountbatten's aid, to remain living in the royal lifestyle.

@@95DarkFire Yes but it doesn't mean he has to shut up and not complain. Theirs was still a MARRIAGE and those moustachoes Philip was talking about forgets it. Victoria and Albert also had that problem but she gave him something to do and Albert once looked down upon became respected. Elizabeth here wasn't yet ready to compromise as a wife. Philip gave up a LOT.

Yet not British 😂

Yeah her mom was Cookie.

...and none of that mattered, because he was not on sovereign soil. He was in the UK, a country that had its own monarch. It'd be the same if he stepped on to China or Japan - it doesnt matter how many titles he has or if he could trace his lineage back to William the Conqueror, in another country with its own government and sovereign, he aint shit.

He also renounced his titles as part of the deal when he married Elizabeth, so his Greek and Danish royalty really didn't much matter. Both were rather hollow titles to renounce. His family was forced into exile by a military coup in 1922 that forced his uncle, King Constantine I, to abdicate. The family fled on a British warship while Philip was less than two years old, and the family spent most of their time in exile in Paris; although Philip was also lived with relatives in London and was educatedin England and Germany. His cousin, Constantine's son, George II, briefly took the throne until he, too, was deposed less than two years later. Greece went through years of political instability, which one could argue continues to this day given its economic instability, but it remains a republic, having abolished the monarchy in 1973. Even discounting his uncle's abdication and his cousin's deposition in 1924 and again in 1946, Philip was not directly in line for the throne. He was a member of a cadet branch, if you will, of the Greek royal family, falling behind his uncle and cousins in the line of succession. This is equivalent to saying that, while Elizabeth II was still alive, the children of Anne, Andrew, and Edward were royals. (I use that generation as an example rather than present day because the situation with Prince Harry is so messy. Are he and his children still in the line of succession? Probably, but I don't care to die on that hill.) Yes, they are/were royals, but none had any reasonable expectation of inheriting the throne because they were all cadet branches of the family with Charles, his children, and his children's children all having a claim prior to them. My point to that whole rambling mess is that he was "closer" to the British throne than he ever was to the Greek or Danish thrones, but he was never in the line of succession for either except for a few brief months after he was born. If one can call that a point. Perhaps it's just an alternate point of view to contrast with the OP.

​​@@morrigan908that's why being a right winger is far more trouble than it's worth.

Elizabeth’s father created Philip Duke of Edinburgh before their marriage, but he wasn’t HRH The Prince. Even with that, he was still out ranked by his own children from the moment they were born. Such is the nature of being a consort to monarchy.

The queen advisor's told her not to make him a HRH. He given the tittle prince later in life.

@@ladyjustice1474but why though?

Prince Albert didn't have a dukedom, he didn't need it since he didn't gave up to his royal titles. Philip gave up to them because, after WW2, the only way to make British people accept him as royal consort was to take British citizienship. Changing citizienship make him loose his royal titles of Greece and Denmark. King George make Philip duke in order to don't have a son-in-law that had to be styled ad Mr., that would be to low for the future royal consort

Lots of errors and misinformation in this thread, not helped by the OPs incorrect opening comment. When Philip married The Princess Elizabeth in 1947, King George VI granted Philip three peerage titles Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich. He was also given the Knighthood of the Garter and also the form of address HRH. However the HRH did not make Philip a Prince of the United Kingdom. Normally, the two go together, but both HRH and Prince of the United Kingdom can be held separately, according to the Letters Patent in their creation. It was not until 1957 that the Queen finally granted Philip the title Prince of the United Kingdom. At the time of the grant of this title, it was made clear that Philip should be given precedence over his eldest son Charles, who was Heir Apparent to the Throne. I hope that clears everything up.

I don't think the show emplies that Elizabeth's true love is Porchey. In one scene, she says that she only loved Philip. I think the series intends to show that no marriage is perfect, indeed Elizabeth and Philip have to make a compromise to go on together. In the real life, Elizabeth's parents and establishment have their own candidates as future son-in-law. One of this was Porchey. He came from one of the most prominent British families and, at that time, a British candidate was preferred. Philip, instead, was the candidate of lord Mountbatten. The last one was related to the royal family, but was to close to Edward VIII (until the abdication) and considered to be a schemer. For this reasons we was not so popular in the royal establishment, but he had still power as distant relative of the royal family. He organized the meeting between his nephew and Elizabeth. She falled in love with the charming young officer, Philip understant the opportunity of this union. The King and the Queen were not very happy about the candidate, but since he had the right pedigree and they saw their daughter happy, they didn't oppose. So, I think Elizabeth was clearly in love, instead Philip could have develope affection for her (we can't know).

But didn't elizabeth have to push for marriage to Philip. She had to dig in her heels and push when the 'institution' and her father were rather displeased with her choice.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would they have arranged a marriage to Philipp? The show makes it quite clear that everybody would have preferred her marrying Porchey or some other British noble, and that she had to push to be allowed to marry him.

@@lnhart7157 Mountbatten arranged the marriage, the establishment wanted to arranged with another man

It is because privilege and wealth aren't everything just because have those things doesn't mean you have an easy life and no complaints.

Philip had to give up his career as a naval officer, his children took his wife’s surname rather than his, he had to publicly kneel before his wife, he had to turn his back on his best friend, he had to give up his place in the Thursday Club, and he had to constantly be reminded by the firm that he was an outside who didn’t belong. For a man as proud as Philip, all of those were like emotional torture.

@@markrobinson9394 NOBODY made him,

@@user-jf8ip8hu7n I suggest you watch the show again. The firm and the Queen made Philip do a lot of things he didn’t want to do. At one point, Churchill tried to make Elizabeth force Philip to give up his flying lessons, which was only allowed due to Churchill having the fog crisis to deal with. If you’re using the “nobody forced him to marry her” logic, then yes, nobody forced him. But everything that came after that was out of his control.

If you are aware this is a work of fiction, then why the lack of sympathy? In regards to affairs there's no actual credible evidence Philip cheated on Elizabeth. He might have flirted and had some chit chat with the ladies beyond that is unknown. One thing is clear he was devoted to his wife.

I think most couples go through a phase of restlessness. Divorce should only be on the table if someone has actually done something wrong. Neither did as far as we know.

I don’t think they were ever close to divorce. Sure, this was a rough spot, but as head of the Church of England, and a devout Christian, the queen would never have divorced her husband.

@@KonohasYeIlowFlash it doesn't mean her husband couldn't file for divorce

​@@davidcaudill7779And destroyed his wife, the monarchy, the patrimony for his children? To do what??? He had lived the horror of losing a throne on Greece and being impoverished. Who would do that to his own children? Prince Albert had similar problems fitting into Victoria's court.

@@michaelplunkett8059 he just would have been King David

It’s because they are talking around 3 facts: 1) Phillip resents fulfilling the role of “the Wife” in their relationship 2) Phillip regularly cheats on her 3) They both know that

@@Mourtzouphlos240 You're completely right and great point! Instead of talking directly about the cheating which needed to happen...she skirted around it. Although that changed big time in the last episode of season 2...

Do you think he ever stopped cheating?@@Mourtzouphlos240

​​@@Mourtzouphlos240There's no actual credible proof he cheated on her and no one has come out to verify it. This is a TV drama even if Philip had cheated he was very discreet about it.

Would you be happy in Philip's place? He gave up a lot to be with Elizabeth. He gave up his Greek & Danish titles, he gave up his navy career, he gave up his name and citizenship, their Clarence House abode, he was snidely put down because he the "Hun," married the princess. Odd considering the current Royal Family including Elizabeth herself is a descendant of Sophia of Hanover a German. Philip was never going to be respected til he got a title. Try looking at his POV. Even Prince Albert had his fair share of frustrations being a consort early on. Also remember this is a drama made for TV i.e entertainment.

No one forced him into marrying her. He knew what he was getting into and accepted it. He sounds like Meghan Markle 2.

⁠@@omi685 even though this is a tv show, Yes. No one forced him to marry her. He knew there were a great bit of things he would sacrifice to marry her and the things agreed upon he did because he thought he would get some things out of their marriage. Here is something he believed was to happen during their marriage but got changed out from under him when she took the crown. He thought his children were going to take his name as most do in any marriage but that was taken away from him. He believed it to be arranged that his name for his children to have and that happened with most if not all rulers. And a King Consort to help in matters of state, etc like a great deal of King consorts do. But even that was nothing of a promise never delivered. Just a fancy title. Then to have everyone judge, look down upon him because he was not one of them. Who wouldn’t be pissed off about that? So that must have hit like a freight train to Phillip. All I am saying is that I understand why he feels the way he does. Do I encourage his behavior? Heck no. Do I understand why he feels the way he feels and why he did some of the things he did? Absolutely yes.

@@TheRealDeal92 You do understand that this is a TV series and it is dramatised for entertainment purposes, right? He was not a 'King' Consort, he was just the husband of the queen. He had no authority. His status was negotiated and agreed upon before they got married. The British monarch's powers are largely ceremonial, and they act on the advice of the government. Even if Elizabeth wanted to grant him more power, it would have been impossible without the government's approval. Did he marry her out of love or to obtain certain privileges like a common gold digger?

@@omi685Yes I am aware it is a tv show. I’m just saying that even for a man in a position like Philip’s is not normal. Yes, women did it all the time and still do which I’m not always a fan of it but it happens. For a Royal, it was definitely not normal. He knew there would be challenges and changes through their marriage especially when she would be Queen but everything he is as a person was being chopped away bit by bit over the years of her as Queen. He left his family lineage behind and he did give that up willingly. But for none of his children to take his family name, giving up his background, now the military has to be given up. And the fact that no matter what good he did, and to take care of her as her father told Philip, he would always be seen as a stranger on their land.

@@TheRealDeal92 The monarch of the UK represents the symbolic head of state. The role is largely ceremonial, with actual governance handled by elected officials. Elizabeth knew it. Philip knew it. The government decided Phillip's position before their wedding, and Phillip agreed to it. Phillip should have taken his grievances to the elected officials, those who are really running the country.

It wasn't in their case. I'm not a monarchist but you have to see that one of the functions of the Royal Family is to present a picture of the ideal stable family of Britain. Divorces are destabilizing. Moreover, the Queen's uncle abdicated to marry a divorced woman. This was still pretty raw within the family. QE2 is perfectly correct when she points out what a scandal a divorce of this particular royal couple would have caused.

No - not at that time. Remember what a stigma "divorced" was (Wallis Simpson). And the Queen's "no" to the marriage of Margaret and Townsend. And the emperor is the head of the Anglican Church and can't get divorced!

it was a different time..no divorce person wasn't even allowed to be invited to functions with Royalty attending...it was considered insulting to the Monarch......

The monarch is the head of the CoE (Church of England) that, at the time, did not recognize divorce and remarriage within the church.