Judging by how smooth it is and how long it takes to start and stop, and also by how the decoder itself looks in general, it looks like you may have an ESU Loksound decoder in there. ESU makes all around top notch decoders. And the reason for the slight delay in the start and stopping of the engine is because they often go for realism with their decoders. So it looks like you’ve gotten very lucky sir. ESU Loksound decoders are just amazing
I admit I don't share the Model Hobby, I simply watch your Videos for the fun of it. Calm, straightforward, no loud noises or hyped up stuff. Just good Videos, no matter the Topic really. Now I made myself unpopular I guess.
Great video Sam, nice bonus with the sound too! The Class 24 does seem like a really nice model - hopefully this is the same sort of quality/detail we can expect from the new Class 47 Bachmann have just announced. They seem to have upped their game lately and it's good to see them getting back into the fight instead of churning out old models for high prices.
Still churning out the old steam locomotives models at high prices though. Although the newer design steam locomotives recently brought out aren't that bad.
Ben Tullett True but things won’t completely change overnight and as you said their latest steam engines do seem to be much better. The detail/quality on their new models looks like it justifies the high price tag (in my opinion) rather than it being expensive just because it’s a Bachmann model. 😊
Sam: In 1958 there were many branch lines open with weight constrictions. The Type 2s could get almost anywhere and if the task involved pulling ballast and mineral loads into remote locations you just double head them. This class was responsible for delivering a lot of aggregate to the various roadbuilding projects in the early 1960’s.
So glad you got a good one finally. You’ve had some real dogs to review and this was superb! It definitely seems like the actual new models by Bachman are improving. A few of those late models you reviewed at the end of last year showed a big jump in quality too. I’m a steam guy, but this is one very fine and beautiful model. I sure hope they don’t ask for it back!
British Railways designed a livery that reflected its heritage. Solid & Dependable, hence the Victorian styled dark (BR) green with subtle two tones and light lining.
The 72-75 ton weight means that this model could be seen on a very comprehensive variety of layouts from branchline to mainline, a very usefull addition. My god that sound brings back so many memories!
75 ton on the mainline?! Sounds amazing. The smallest switchers allowed on the mainline in my country are 120 ton. The smallest passenger locos start at the same 120 ton, although most of these midgets had already been retired.
hey sam, looks like a big improvement from the previous class 24 and a huge discount, bachmann RRP sound fitted with DCC chip is £280, this 24 you have is a 24/0, the 24/1 was built with headcode boxes and smaller fuel tank, me thinks someone has mixed up the loco and box, hopefully there are no issues with bachmann and you are able to keep the loco.
Not all /1s were built with headcodes. The /0 ended at D5049 with D5050 to D5113 being a /1 without headcodes, which makes this model of 5094 very much a 24/1. You can see the smaller water tank typical of a /1 on this model as its not as tall as the fuel tank, the shortened in length tanks was a further weight saving modification carried out later on, as well as their complete removal...but while they still had full green ends the only smaller tanks were on the /1. On a similar note, the /0 locos loaned to the Southern and found to be too heavy had the tanks and heating boilers removed rather than modified.
Sam, I wonder if the reason for the details on the side of the chassis is Bachmann will produce other versions of the class 24 with windows which will let you see the details.
Its for the forthcoming 25/2 and 25/3, which do have side windows, the class 24 chassis is a common item between the models pretty much as with the real things.
@@androo4519 SLW did exactly the same thing, its detail for a class 25/3. Even with the etched grilles of the SLW class 24 you can't see through them anywhere except the radiator, but casting them on the class 24 chassis means you don't need two different castings for the different models, its a production cost saving. Phil Sutton confirmed this when they announced their own class 25/3.
They are doing that with Their new class 47 as if you see their recent video it has internal engine room lighting in which you can see into the engine details. So it’s entirely possible they intend to offer different models in the future or maybe it’s to offer a model is the chance to move the panels if they want to do a depot setting for instance
Spring 2022. Visiting to the UK, went to London Transport Museum and picked up one for 149 GBP. Highly detailed, no glue marks, beautiful finish, very heavy, smooth five pole motor, a great little locomotive!
Great model there, looks overall really good quality stuff. I can't help but love the BR Green with or without Grey roofs on diesel locos, it just looks so smart! Could we maybe see a video on retro-fitting a little motor into one of the diesels you have (whether it's the Hornby Class 56, this one, etc.) I'd be interested to see the process, and also the end result in terms of noise / realism. Cheers! 👍
Hi Sam. Check the instruction sheet and see if one of those configuration jumpers/switches controls analog running. It might also be a CV (configuration variable) in the decoder has to be set a particular way to enable analog operation. I’d say 95+% of decoders sold these days DO operate on analog (DC) mode. Definitely worth checking out. 😊
Great video. Please let us know if Bachman got back to you. I’m 100% with you on mechanism and performance. A silent and perfectly running loco is bliss to me. Even if it isn’t a perfectly detailed model.
The chassis block detail is there because the forthcoming Bachmann class 25/2 has side windows and the class 24 and 25 family uses the same chassis. With that in mind it makes perfect sense for it to be present on this model even if you can't see it, and gives us a good clear message as to the quality of mechanism to expect in the Rats. Also that sound decoder, its either a Zimo or Loksound V5, either of which is a £115+ decoder if bought separately, so for £100 extra pre-fitted to the model its a bit of a bargain.
Very interesting Simon - though I thought those windows were absolutely tiny... crazy overkill to have detailed the whole length of the interior just for that, but no complaints of course! If true, then yes the Rat mech will be amazing too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Maybe you got the commercial package from Bachmann! Similar surprise only happened with me with 2nd hand locos, when during the serviceing I found decoders inside of 2 locos, despite both were sold as non DCC fitted. One is an old Gützold diesel (DR class 119) from the mid 90's; one of the earliest 8 pins locos, and it does had (still has) a huge old decoder in it, was running fine on DC so did not noticed anything till the 1st big maintenance. The other is a Bachmann 5 MT tank loco, that was sold as a non runner. Turned out the decoder had a damaged wire, so it was an easy fix, and a cheap DCC fitted loco!
I have just reached 100 subs Sam! And it’s my birthday on the 16th and have asked for some of your merch, specifically the gadwall t-shirt. All the best, Oliver :)
Another great review! I was actually wondering: where you say "It's Bachmann so the finish is good" but also "It's Bachmann so it's expensive"- raises a point, why don't you do a video comparing different manufacturers against one another (based on your opinion/reviews) - I'm getting into the hobby (and so the reviews are a huge help) but something like this would be really great, comparing the different companies and maybe also their different ranges saying the pros and cons of each? When I'm looking at similar models choosing which one to go for, knowing what to expect from different manufacturers would be very helpful for me. Please re-direct me if you've already produced such a video.... I wouldn't be surprised!
Looks very nice in that BR green which is coming from a person who prefers BR blue on diesels, being a bachmann diesel it is a great model as all of bachmanns diesels are and I would pay the amount that they want to sell these for because their diesels are very good from my experience.
Just goes to show bachmann can make a good model if their steamers were this good then would look at them completely differently great video as always and wow what a extra with the sound!
Sam, I find that while I like crew they do cause two problems. One is that if you only have a crew in one cab then when the locomotive runs in the other direction then the crew are in the wrong cab, but if you have crew in both cabs, then you have extra personnel that you don't need. The other problem is if you run multiple diesels (as in the USA) then you again have extra crew going for a ride.
Just for a bit of fun and perspective, have a quick look on RMweb (I know you don't like to get involved there, but its worth it just to see the visual comparison) at the Bachmann class 24/0 thread on page 10 and 11. There are side by side photos of this model (but the class 24/0 version) and a SLW headcodeless class 24/1 as per your review which show just how toy-like the Bachmann model still really is compared with what is probably the very best RTR British model currently on the market. Don't get me wrong, I think the new Bachmann class 24/0, /1 and headcode /1 is a very good model indeed and worth the asking price, but when its sat next to the best you can see just how much more improvement Bachmann could make...especially as the rrp of both models are only £5ish apart.
Bachmans new class 47 that’s releasing in a few months has motorised working fans internal engine details with internal lighting in the engine bay to see it so it’s possible they may retrofit or add additions in the future. The internal engine details may also be there to offer modellers the chance to remove the engine grills if for instance they want to make a depot setting with body wall panels removed
Sam. Buy a Fleischmann/Roco Z21, then you'll get full functionality and ease of use. You could use the Hornby DCC controllers as a doorstop after adding lots of weight to them. Are you sure DC wasn't turned off in CV29?
Elastic band powered, slowing the whole loco down if not in perfect running order. Bachmann new £340 cl47 has both fans powered by their own electric motors. But charge about £30 extra from the standard sound version for this feature.
Sam, I must disagree with the statement about DCC Sound. An ESU Lok Sound V5 or Zimo sound decoders are about £100 each and sometimes you have to pay extra for the sound files plus a speaker. So to sound fit a loco is normally between £110 - £130, plus the faff of having to install it etc. So, in effect, by buying it sound fitted you are actually getting the model cheaper than doing it yourself in this case. Otherwise, well done you for snagging a bargain like that!
I’m afraid that still doesn’t justify the price difference, all it means is that the decoders are a complete rip off. Electronics are dirt cheap to make, you can for instance get a fully working 4K video capable computer with high quality sound for £40 and they are still making a profit on that.
@@RobA500 That may be, but nearly all good quality sound decoders are around the £100 mark plus speakers in most cases. Sound decoders have much more circuitry on them plus, you have the cost of a Sound Engineer recording the actual locomotive (if possible) then editing the sounds. That all adds to the costs. Don't forget, when DCC was first introduced. non sound motor only decoders were horrendously expensive too.
Yeah exactly - I wasn't suggesting that £100 was untypical for a DCC sound decoder but rather, as Rob says, pretty unreasonable given what they actually are! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@RobA500 the size of the market and the cost of the R&D is massively relevant here. DCC decoders aren't exactly sold in huge quantities, consumer electronics are. It's not just a case of saying "The chips don't cost much to make", they won't, but they don't design and program themselves.
12.44 The white 'wires or pipes' on the bogies are air lines to the sandboxes. Pretty much all BR diesels had these picked out in white when new, except when builders got funky and went for aluminium-painted bogies. Needless to say, the nice clean crisp white finish didn't last long in service, in most photos they have disappeared under the track dirt and brake dust.
One problem: the coupler on the end of the loco furthest from the fan (on top) seems to be a bit droopy. I don’t know if they make a coupler height gauge for NEM-style couplers or not, but I’d be willing to bet that one wouldn’t pass the test. The other one seems to be just fine. Maybe it’s just the camera angle.
Hi Sam, just bought two locos today, one is a hornby triang Mallard in br green and the other it the old hornby triang duck model. It had its face, top of its chimney removed and painted black. I think I may restore it in it's late br condition, with chimney restored and a Smokebox door, and a paddington station shed plate (this is where duck lived before coming to the island of sodor) and number 5741 (ducks old/rws number)
When d-rails sells stuff cheaper and cares more about the sold item than the Bachmann. Well that took pleasant turn, good on Sam for the surprise chipping and sound gifts. Indeed i did enjoy it, as stated this is pretty much singular occurrence.
That packaging reminds me how I received a Roco "Ludmilla" diesel in the mail from a dealer here in Switzerland.. because the model box wasn't prevented from sliding back and forth in the packaging, the more than 575g (!) H0 model was busted when I got it.. had it replaced without issue though. That 6 axle drive monster can pull anything else backwards down the track in a tug of war.
I like that sam says he's be fine with swapping it for one without acc but that the inconvenience of getting a better than expected product is worth the price difference
Hi Sam, Gobsmacked, It looks really good, why can't they make things as good as this all the time, love the sound, fell on your feet with this one , All the Best Brian 🤗😎
Point on the Decoder. As already mentioned it looks to be fitted with an ESU Lok sound decoder which is a top quality decoder. These retail around £60 and that is without the sound file. Add in the cost of a sound file you're going to be near to the £100 mark.
Oh you're right - £100 *is* the going rate... but when you consider that you can buy an actual computer for that price or less, the decoders are crazy expensive!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bachmann only use loksound v5 , so if this was a mistake, it was opened and installed by the shop not bachmann. I called bachmann to confirm this referencing this video, and they confirm it is not one of theirs. So I’m guessing the shop may have fitted this for another customer and forgot to label the box and gave it to Sam by mistake. So I bet there’s a very unhappy customer right there that’s got a DCCU ready model now instead.
Great video again Sam and happy you got such a pleasant surprise. When will Bachmann apply this same quality to their Steam locos? Thanks for doing this and what a fine loco.
A very fortuitous mix-up, especially now Bachmann have announced ‘DCC Sound Deluxe’ Class 47s with working fans at £370 full RRP. Your review gives an unexpected but useful comparison between DC and DCC, showing benefits of latter. Bachmann say their DCC Class 47 sounds and lights will work on DC too. Makes me wonder whether it might sometimes be worth paying more.
This is a really great loco. Looks like Bachmann really have done something great with this one. You definitely have a good one here. Not sure it makes up for all the dodgy Bachmann's you have, but it is a good step in the forward direction. Seriously though, I doubt Bachman will want it back. By the time they pay postage, it will be as much as giving the decoder anyway (from their side, not the ridiculous amount they charge us)
@@SamsTrains Suttons class 24 has been around for 5 years, its their class 25 which is the new model. Unfortunately they are currently sold out of class 24s as well, but there are more coming as they announced a new batch this week to those of us on the mailing list for the Scottish headcode class 24 and class 25 updates. And yes, their class 24 is currently regarded as the very best British model so far released. To see this new Bachmann model next to a SLW class 24, the Bachmann model falls back a peg or two even though it is very good itself.
@@SamsTrains first versions came out in 2015, the latest ones are a little delayed in the manufacturing queue, check their website for details on ordering and also rmweb as they post in the class 24 thread yesterday on project updates. also check out Class47Peter video "The Best Model That I Own! | Sutton's Locomotive Workshop Class 24 | Unboxing and Review" because I can say even the 2015 I have is better than the current bachmann model and the latest SLW are producing have again improved!
The same thing happened to me, I purchased a new Heljan cl33 from Howes for £55 in one of their sales in 1998. Great shock when I put in on a dc layout and it burst into life with sound. Esu v4.
Looks like you’ve got a top of the line loksound decoder! Good for you. I would be taking this to the bench and cutting out the vents to allow viewing of the internals. Maybe cover the holes with more realistic screens. But, that’s just me. Great loco though.
Someone showed up to work very tired and was put on packing duty and fell asleep when this one came throng and woke up and did not hear it was sound equipted and put the one that had no grils on
Hi Sam, You mention problems with Railmaster. I have been using Railmaster for some years now and have never had a problem with it. I run almost 300 DCC fitted locomotives (Steam outline), operating accessories and signals. The locomotives comprise models both with and without sound. The decoders are from ESU and others. The locomotives are from the wide range of manufacturers. I have however, set up the system with care as I used to run Zero One long ago which was susceptible to poor assembly and layout. I also use a high end computer to run the software. In any case, keep up the good work.
Yeah - Railmaster is objectively very buggy and unreliable in my experience. Great that you've had a much better experience though! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a fabulous looking model this appears to be, if expensive. Or at least, expensive compared to most British models. My local Australian prototypes are far more but I imagine a lot of that is down to smaller production runs. Very tempted to pick up one of these even though the only other British train I have is a Hornby train pack with an A4 and some gorgeous Pullman coaches. Not sure what something like this would sensibly haul however.
Well Having a diesel with sound is fantastic especially a class 24 but if Bachmann do email you saying it was a mistake to send out the sound version maybe say to them I've test it out for you it works perfectly maybe the discount can be to keep it with the sound i order to play around with it for awhile
I was watching Bachmanns autumn preview the other day and they are producing some more of these and the new class 47 which looks a great model. Someone at the factory must not have concentrated when packing the model up and picked up a DCC fitted loco instead of a non DCC loco, oops.
What a happy accident. A DCC fit locomotive for DC prices cop that Bachmann. I dislike Bachmann as a whole but I think they make the best diesels. What a quality mechanism. I too prefer a good mechanism over good details. I don’t just want my models sitting in sidings looking pretty. I want to run my locomotives without fuss
This was a great surprise to me, as it is now a rival for the Sutton's (SLW) models, which I thought were "state of the art". Bachmann seem almost to be mimicking SLW with an attempt at a similar quality and sound.
Yeah I've heard those are going to be good too - though as these are cheaper and still excellent, I imagine these will be the popular choice! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Great review bonus getting the DCCsound. The function 2 you have sounds to me like the drive lock function which Bachmann use their diesels. When the function is activated the speed of the loco can't be changed. It's designed to allow the engine sounds to be controlled seperately to the motor speed. So if the loco was hauling a large load and you wanted the loco to rev up while the speed is low. Also would you consider reviewing the new bachmann class 47 when it's arrived sounds like a great model but super expensive?
haha I know! Infuriating! Don't get me wrong.... I've had to buy a lot of locos at ridiculous prices in order to get this windfall, lol! They've still made their money out of me 100x over xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I ordered one from Rails of Sheffield and they tested it before they charged me for it, so it makes me wonder if they found out about this happening, not to you specifically but in general.
I'm wondering if the hidden internal detail was part of a plan to be seen through etched grilles, but that Bachmann thought that costs were getting out of hand to produce and fit them? It could be that they have plans to included etched grilles at a later date, when the detail of course is already there and saving on tooling costs. Sulzer, by the way, I am pretty sure is pronounced with a quick 'tz' sound, 'Sultzer' rather than 'Sulzzer'
Just love your channel even that I'm not in the hobby like you. BUT just bought a Märklin 5750 in Spur 1 for a real bargain, dove just a couple of times an looks absolutely new.
This happened to me before too I ordered a bachmann class 47 in br blue and it came with a decoder fitted so I sent the model back to bachmann cause my layout is dc not dcc so it was basically useless and bachmann sent me the money back very friendly service so I reordered one and it came without the decoder VERY GOOD RUNNERS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED 👍
Sam, the box said this model represented Class 24/1 where’s this model is Class 24/0. Erm? Wrong box? Wrong loco? The DCC might indicate that. Very pretty loco though ☺️ I’m glad it has no headcode boxes, I like the discs personally.
Its not a 24/0, its a 24/1. The class 24/1 started at D5050 while the headcode boxes started at D5114, so all of the class 24s from 5050 to 5113 are /1s without the headcodes, including this one of D5094.
